Elgin Marbles row: British Museum has ‘no right’ to ‘stolen’ Parthenon Sculptures | Victoria Hislop
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- “The problem with the word loan is that it suggests ownership.”
Victoria Hislop says she “speaks for the Greeks” when asserting that a loan of the Elgin Marbles to Greece would be irrational.
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The British museum can have identical copies made. And give back the originals. It’s not difficult. Then they can exhibit the copies
If that's the case, then why carnt we make copies free of charge
and the Greeks can put them on display.
@@bongeyedbill9355...because the originals ARE NOT OURS.
BM just dont want to agree to this one return because half the world will come asking for their stolen things. Xi will get agro about all the ming vases in there, the ayatollahs gonna badger rishi for the piles of carpets they keep in the collection and the sculptures to be put back in Persepolis, and on and on.
They could have identical copies made and give them to Greece.
@ivanooze5214not quite… what about the other half? They still exist and it had nothing to do with the British lol. infact you can argue the British left them behind to be destroyed ! Having said that ,I’d rather the British have them then let them into the hands of the religion of peace just to be destroyed then have them hide behind excuses of how they are the oppressed ones….
Why are we asking a random author what they think about international relations?
Its like when Elon musk gets involved in politics , he knows nothing .
Because she has the "correct" opinions.
@@tonupharry
when did he get involved in politics? All he did was prevent the left from dominating twitter by constantly being able to ban, silence and censor right wing accounts. Twitter is now fair.
You know times are really bad when simply caring about making things fair and protecting freedom of speech is considered "political".
And why does YOUR opinion matter, random person?
@@Dushmann_
Who says they are correct ?
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I like how admitting that almost the entire british museum collection is stolen is being used as an argument not to give any of it back.
Great argument - to the victors the spoils, I guess you know the Greeks are holding 100s of stolen Turkish artifacts that they refuse to return?
Basically what they are saying is The items are better off with the Brits because ....."well because they are Brits and it just is !" GIVE THEM BACK !
@@ruzziasht349 Do you apply this same reasoning to home burglaries?
@@Dongobog-ps9tz there is no burglary - it's impossible to steal 100s of tons of stone, carry them 100s of miles, load them on to a ship, all without anyone noticing - Elgin purchased them from the owners.
This is all Greek politics - where is the outcry over the Mona Lisa being in Paris and not Italy? Nowhere.
If the marbles hadn't been removed to a safe place, it's quite likely they would have disappeared years ago.
How you back up your comment Elgin destroyed the monument completely. Have you ever been to Acropolis?
Oh the Greeks have done great job of destroying their own history.@@paulrudiger2552
The mona Lisa was owned by the king of France who knew di Vinci.
it wasn’t stolen..
@@paulrudiger2552 And seen the damage done by the building being used as a storage for gunpowder and then a source for building materials? Yes. Your point?
Erm… just to enlighten you Italians hate the French and yes invading their land and taking their artefacts is a major contributor to that… just because both countries are run by illegitimate self hating governments that prefer to sweep nationalistic interests under the rug doesn’t mean there isnt an out cry…. You just don’t see it reported by your trustful media!!!! So another fact… just because your media can’t be arsed to report it…. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist!!!!!
They Were Not stolen, they were paid for, at todays price about 5 Million . Lord Elgin sold them to the museum for a small fraction of what he paid for them.
You make propaganda and you are uneducated. Elgin didn't pay nothing to the Ottomans, he paid all this money to bring them to London after one of his ships sinked together with the sculptures
Modern Brits do we really have to say PLEASE? You are robbing us from our history have some shame for your leaders and just PLEASE do the right thing here. Honestly they are not just marbles. They are a work of art in it's finest form they also tell a story as they were on the PARTHENON BUILDING itself which is probably the most beautiful and sought after by WESTERN architecture as the pinnacle BUILDING OF THE BUILDINGS. I'll take the argument that you preserved them and thanks for that but since he grabbed them by paying some OTTOMAN ruler that didn't care any less for the western culture he also took advantage of the situation for his personal collection. Then sold them to the British museum to fund his divorce with Lady Elgin. Can't you see how all this is wrong? GREECE ever since got freed from the Ottoman rule 2 centuries ago has been asking for the sculptures back. We built one of the finest museums worldwide just 15 years ago and dedicated to the Parthenon sculptures which houses only pieces that come from the Acropolis area...and what a petty to lay your eyes in an empty spot waiting for the original sculptures only replaces by mere copies of them! Have some dignity and act morally here. RETURN THEM BACK TO THEIR MOTHERLAND as they are not just any piece of artifact. They represent all western values and are part of the GREATEST TEMPLE EVER CREATED IN THE GOLDEN CLASSICAL YEARS. That is why we Greeks are serious about the matter and you as Brits don't get it . Imagine the most sacred of all things you possessed been taken from you the wrong way. SO YES WE ASK POLITELY YOU THE MODERN CITIZENS OF THE UK TO STAND WITH THE RIGHT SIDE AND DEMAND FROM YOUR LEADERS TO ACT MORALLY. THANK YOU
They were stolen by Turkey and sold to Britain. Britain bought stolen goods.
Now, Britain still has a stolen goods, what does it says about UK then?
Britain has full of stolen items in their country,ask India
So is stolen still 😂😂😂
There was no “legitimacy” in Elgin’s theft nor was there a “legitimate” permission acquired for him to take the Parthenon Marbles. The Ottomans, who cared little about the possessions and historical meaning of such possessions to the Greeks, signed them off to Elgin. The Greeks had no say essentially in what happened to their marbles.
Just your opinion nothing more.
The Parthenon was half destroyed, the remaining artifacts were being taken by the Greek locals to be used as building materials or melted down for their Lime content. They should be thanking the British for saving them.
So let's take that to its logical conclusion. The Ottomans were the masters of Greece at the time, so they were the logical choice for Elgin to approach with his offer of purchase. Should he have approached the Greeks? Who to my knowledge had no government nor representation at the time? No real power of influence. If not, what is your proposed alternative. Because if he had not taken his course of action, the marbles would have been destroyed by the Ottomans and would be lost to history. Is that your better alternative?
@@user-vr1lf8fd7fmore trendy to hate the people responsible for allowing these nations to continue the fight in the 1940s though.
It just happens that his opinion is the TRUTH, but biased as you are, you will never accept the historical truth.@@mrjinks5641
They were not buying stolen goods at all. Elgin got permission to remove them and paid the equivalent of 5 million pounds to get them brought back. That's an outrageous statement that they were stolen.
The whole push is the far-left argument of "decolonisation". Apparently, every downtrodden race on earth needs to have their culture protected, apart from white people because they were the "colonisers". If we did protect the culture of white people the same way, we would have to de-industrialise the majority of the world, but nobody is going to call for that any time soon.
Lord Elgin bought the Marbles from an occupying power, the Ottoman Empire. Elgin then sold them to the British State making a big profit for himself. That is a bit problematic - a long term loan to Greece would be a good way out.
@@simonclarke2939 Athens was an Albanian Ottoman province for centuries if you wish to go down that silly route
Elgin was scammed by the illegal occupiers of Athens. If alive today he’d be the proud “owner” of a bridge somewhere.
@@glasgovipsolara Athens was an Ottoman province for almost 4 centuries from 1456 to 1830 😜 “illegally occupied” under what law ? The 1456 Albanian Koine law ?
Greek politician calls for the return of the Parthanon Marbles is a bit "dog bits man", not really a news story. Why has the PM been surprised by this reaction, serious failure of imagination on his part.
For a start, let's call them the Parthenon Marbles or Parthenon Sculptures - that's their original context. 'Elgin' Marbles was a naming agreement between Elgin and the Museum. The public have no obligation to indulge the ego of some dead lord.
and we have no obligation to partake in the ways of ancient greece and rome and its democracys and poltical sysemss also .... they did not last forever and brought more division to this world than anything else
"Some dead lord" who happened to purchase and thus save them from destruction
@@daleburrows2662 If so, well done him, but we don't call the Seagram Murals the 'Normal Reid Canvases', nor Wuthering Heights ‘The Thomas Cautley Newby Book'.
They didn’t steal them. They purchased them, if they were stolen they should be asking why are their ‘precious’ artefacts ending up on the black market instead of being in their museums?
Ok abdul we believe you
"LEGALLY ACQUIRED"? WHAT was legally acquired? STOLEN GOODS, damnit! Why don't you accept that you bought STOLEN GOODS and now you claim they are yours? THEY ARE NOT YOURS. THEY BELONG TO THEIR LEGAL OWNERS.
Purchased them from an invading empire who are not the native people and the Greeks went on to fight for and win their independence also serving alongside Britain in 2 World Wars. If this is how Britain treats it's friends no wonder the whole of Europe hates the UK 😂
All the remaining parts of the Parthenon are in their museum in Athens apart a small part that back in the days ended up in Germany and is displayed to the public and looked after by German authorities. You can go and visit. The museum in Athens is a beautiful, contemporary museum with plain view of the acropolis and the Parthenon itself.
Considering that recently the director of the British museum had to resign over a scandal about the British Museum being stolen hundreds of artefacts without noticing for years, your argument becomes incredibly weak.
How would you like to see parts of the Stonehenge stones stored in a museum in Indonesia that refuses to return them to where they belong? Your comments are weak and lack sensibility because you do not, or you refuse, to understand how it feels for a Greek to see parts of the Parthenon stored in a museum in London, just to please YOU. SHAME!@@helgaioannidis9365
There’s a receipt for the PURCHASE of the Parthenon marbles in the British Library, a firmin authorising their removal and shipment, anyone claiming such items could be “Stolen” is an utter buffoon and a malicious liar
I believe the receipt that Elgin said he had was never presented or found.
So many issues with that claim...
- Who verifies that 'receipt'? The British crown? And who 'owns' them in the first place for you to 'buy' them? The Ottoman authority of that time?? Nonsense..
- The marbles were stolen during Ottoman occupation of Greece, Greek state have been asking for them since its very early days - first request dates back to 1835.
- Nazis took artifacts from Greece during WW2 occupation, even produced 'receipts' from the Greek occupation regime of general Tsolakoglou, do you think this makes Nazis the owners of those artifacts? Another nonsense from 'an utter buffoon'
I'll go and steal a bike, then sell it to you and throw a receipt in as well for good measure.
We are talking 1800s here. Surely you can comprehend the arrangement right? Elgin did business and made a good coin, it's as simple as that..
@@fiestaria your bike analogy is utterly infantile ,
It took a series of shipments to send all of the Elgin Marbles to England. A U.K. Parliamentary Select Committee in 1816 ruled he had acquired them legally, and the collection was sold to the British government for some £35,000 Elgin lost a considerable amount of money on this deal
@@Freddy-sp5wq go read it for yourself in the British Library, also on record are the findings of an 1816 parliamentary select committee that found the marbles had been PURCHASED LAWFULLY
Oh FFS we should bloody well give them back. We have no sentimental attachment to them, unlike the Greeks. We could all go and visit them in the fab new museum in Athens. Creating yet more bad will, as we always do.
The fact that we are giving right to the British museum is unreal. Those marbles are not yours , it is not your history and have you haven't asked the Greek people if they agree on giving the marbles away for some money.
So when dose Greece reimburse the U.k for all the war materials that the U.K supplied during the Second World War.
The problem is it opens a door. Once you return one item, all the others come knocking. And the British Museum is full of "stolen" goods of cultural importance
STOLEN GOODS OF CULTURAL IMPORTANCE
And so are in French museums, US museums, Germany museums, Japanese museums, and many rich homes
NO. Only the British went around the world stealing local artefacts for their museums. Why? Because their museums were empty. They had nothing to display of their own deprived culture. Shame! @@wunxue
“cultural importance” the irony…
@Aaqe And I suppose that you would argue that the Egyptian artefacts taken by the Greeks and displayed in their National Archeological Museum in Athens is a figment of the imagination of any visitor that goes there.
Steals another county's treasures, throws a diplomatic tantrum when the rightful owner wants them back. The UK truly is pathetic.
I can't believe the idea of a loan is seen as a reasonable compromise. Imagine stealing someone's stuff and proposing to loan it back to them in exchange for something else of theirs.
And paying for stolen goods doesn't give you a right to keep them.
The UK needs to grab their shovels and dig for their own treasures on its own soil.
YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO BUY OR KEEP STOLEN GOODS.
The British make their own rights. They went around the world stealing local artefacts because they have none of their own to display in their museums. They belong to primitive uncivilised tribes.
The law says different
"British Museum has ‘no right’ to ‘stolen’ Parthenon Sculptures" funny when most that are given back end up on the black market or in private collections lol
SO WHAT///WHATEVER HAPPENS TO THEM...THEY DONT BELONG TO BRITAIN...BRITAIN ARE THEIVES, SEND THEM BACK
Excuse of a thief 🤣
Why is everyone even worried about this does it affect us?
True. Remember when Cairo museum was ransacked by the Muslims?
@@LondonPower they were purchased for the equivalent of £5m in today's money from the people who owned the land for 400 years.
Calling them the "Elgin" marbles speaks volumes.
Biritish museum is full of stolen art .. shame!
As a Greek, I am perfectly happy with the sculptures staying in the British museum. The British seem to have more intellectual curiosity and a better academic spirit about classical Greece than modern Greeks who prefer cappuccino and ΠΡΟΠΟ. Furthermore, the childish behavior of Greeks online, which includes abusive comments about Britain and racism at Sunak, has been a turnoff. Final verdict: Keep them!
ΠΡΟ-ΠΟ::::: πόσων χρονων είσαι ; από χρονομηχανή βγήκες ;
As another Greek I have to ask you in what century you live.
Just make copies of them and give the originals back! In this day and age there are plenty of good forgers who could copy them maybe even better than the originals..
Simple as they were stolen and not only stolen UK dealt with the emenie to gain them imagine they took 2 years plus to hack off ha? 100% THEFT
GREAT IDEA!
So all british museum can be a copy of the stolen items
@@Oscar.Blenheim62836 And how about Byzantine artefacts from Asia Mimor in Greek museums ??? Will they return them to Türkiye 🇹🇷??? It was “illegally occupied” by the Byzantine empire after all 😜 by this same logic
@@Oscar.Blenheim62836 I believe the majority of exhibits in the BM are not stolen, not least because so many are from the UK. We should be proud of those exhibits and return the objects that aren't really ours so the true ancestors can be proud of their culture too.
Sending the Parthenon marbles back to Greece is sorting out a long-overdue blunder, it's proper respect for history and culture, isn’t?
Blunder??? They were purchased not stolen
@@markbeaumont3292 this is a myth. He had a permit from the local ‘ottoman representative’ for excavations and to make replicas. However, he brought a team to steal antiquities from various locations in Greece, consequently damaging numerous artifacts.
Unless you happen to be a rabid Brit Nat who thinks Britannia still "rules the waves"
@@nikolaos033 Your version of history is the myth. Have you asked France, Germany, Denmark and Austria to return their pieces??
@@markbeaumont3292 Parthenon sculptures are not of the same importance as other ornaments. Nobody asked British Museum for other artefacts. Am I correct? Also please cite me a link or a document that clearly presents ‘legal purchase’ by Lord Elgin.
Just trying to understand the issue, I've read that 'Elgin' bought them and sold / passed them to the British museum from the comments here. Is the entire 'ownership chain' legitimate? I don't know if they were bought / loaned I haven't seen the documents? I'm impartial to this and trying to learn more. I must say that that the comment from the lady in white "if we handed back everything that we 'acquired' over the years - our galleries would be practically empty" isn't an acceptable argument for legitimately retaining those things.
Greece are welcome to make a cash offer
We bought them, that said I wouldn't be adverse to returning them
@@ppo2424 they can buy them back…why give them it for free?
Elgin bought them from the Turks - who didn't own them.
@@TheRealRedAce They did at the time.
The Parthenon sculptures are stolen. They must be returned to Greece!!! It is a tribute to the Democratic philosophy. It is the essence of Greekness!!! It is the heritage of Greece!!!
They are not stolen
5 million paid alledgely
Who says that you, the great historian??
"LEGALLY ACQUIRED"? WHAT was legally acquired? STOLEN GOODS, damnit! Why don't you accept that you bought STOLEN GOODS and now you claim they are yours? THEY ARE NOT YOURS. THEY BELONG TO THEIR LEGAL OWNERS.
That’s
False!
Study the history before you open it.😅
Bout time the country showed this chancer the door. The Tory faithful even picked The Truss over him. He got the job through the side door. Terrible PM. Can't even get a simple loan deal right.
He's got the economy right, not your strong point eh?
If the prime minister starts sending things back to their country of origin. Then maybe he should start with himself.
Give the marbles back and give us back all the money we’ve subsidised European country’s with first…. Sounds a deal
WHAT you mean bits of paper with ink on them and members on a computer screen ??? Pls wake up man have none of you got a brain
Technically any historical item that is removed from its origin country is stolen. Historical artefacts belong to and are the property of the native people. No one has the right to remove such items whether 'legally' purchased or not.
If you would like to view such historical items, visit the country itself without stripping peoples homeland for your own benefit.
They wasn't legally purchased they were hacked off over a period of 2 years imagine what a liberty MASSIVE THEFT
Unfortunately the British have different ideas. They went around the world stealing property that did not belong to them. THIEVES!
Greece are welcome to buy them back
Would you buy back what rightfully belongs to you? I know. You are biased and you will say YES. @@DontBeAWollyy
@@Aaqe If it was that important to me I’d rather buy it back than cry and go 200+ years without
the whole world has gone absolutely inverted
The weak shall inherit the earth - all the people now crying because their ancestors were so weak!
Where does it end? Someone sold a London bridge to someone in America can we get that back?
How much cultural treasure would have been lost forever if not for western museums buying and keeping them safe?
That’s what happens when you have a unelected corrupt government who doesn’t care about anyone but there rich friends
They were voted in. I’m no fan of the Tories, but what did previous governments do about the Elgin marbles including Labour?
CANT HAVE A REASONABLE CONVERSATION WITH THOSE WHO REFUSE TO BE REASONABLE AND GIVE BACK STOLEN PROPERTY AS FOR EMPTY MUSEUMS IF TO DO THE RIGHT THING WELL THATS JUST A REFLECTION ON THE THEIVING BRITISH EMPIRE ISNT IT JUST
Your caps lock is on.
Cry about it 😂
Weren’t stolen Darren they were purchased, Greece are more than welcome to make a cash offer
@@DontBeAWollyy ARE YOU SURE THEY DIDN'T JUST MAKE UP A PAPER PURCHASE FOR INSURANCE PURPOSES I DONT KNOW YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT BUT HOW CAN THEY BE STOLEN GOODS THEN YOU CANT BUY STOLEN GOODS OR ANYONE WOULD BE ABLE TO SELL OTHERS BELONGINGS ITS NUL AND VOID IF NOT PURCHASED FROM THE RIGHTFUL OWNERS AND IF SOMEONE GETS BURGLED AND TBE THEIF SELLS THE STUFF NEVER ANYWHERE UNDER ANY LAW DOES THE RIGHTFUL OWNERS HAVE TO BUY THEIR OWN PROPERTY BACK ITS ON THE BUYER TO NOT BUY STOLEN GOODS IN THE FIRST PLACE AND DOING SO IS ACTUALLY A CRIME EVEN FOR THE BRITISH MUSEUMS SAME WAY AS IT IS FOR EVERYONE AND EVERY OTHER BUISNESS AND I DIDN'T HEAR ANYONE TRY TO DISPUTE THE FACT THEY WERE STOLEN GOODS JUST THAT THE BRITISH MUSEUM HAD PAID SOMEONE FOR THEM WHICH AGAIN IF NOT FROM THE RIGHTFUL OWNERS ITS IRELIVANT NUK AND VOID AND THE PROPERTY BY ANY NORMAL STANDARDS OF LAW MUST BE RETURNED TO THE RIGHTFUL OWNERS AND THOSE WHO IF YOU SAY SO MISTAKINGLY PURCHASED STOLEN PROPERTY HAVE TO TAKE THE LOSS THEY DONT GET COMPENSATED FOR THEM BECAUSE THEYRE BRITISH THATS INSANE AND YOUR ANSWER EVEN SHOWS THAT FOR THE RECEIVING STOLEN GOODS CRIMINALS ITS JUST ABOUT THE MONETARY VALUE AND THEY JUST DONT WANT TO TAKE THE HIT OR EVER ACCEPT AND ESPECIALLY ADMIT WRONG DOING BUT FOR THE RIGHTFUL OWNERS ITS CLEARLY MORE THAN JUST ABOUT THE MONEY WHICH IS ANOTHER REASON WHY THEY SHOULD BE RETURNED TO THE RIGHTFUL OWNERS WITH A MASSIVE APOLLOGY AND COMPENSATION FOR THEM BEING MISSING SO LONG WHILE THE BRITISH MADE MONEY FROM DISPLAYING THEM IN THEIR MUSEUM SO YOU CAN SAY THEY WERENT STOLEN YOUR MUSEUM BOUGHT THEM BUT THEY OBVIOUSLY WERE STILL STOLEN SO COULD NOT HAVE POSSIBLY BEEN PURCHASED BECAUSE TO BUY STOLEN GOODS IS ILEGAL AND NOT A CRIE WHERE THE ONLY TRUE VICTIMS HAVE TO BUY THEIR OWN GOODS BACK THATS AS NARCASITICLY INSANE AS SAYING YOU COULD LOAN GREECE THEIR KWN PROPERTY IF THEY LET YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE OF EQUAL OR GREATER VALUE TO HOLD AS HOSTAGE AND HE EVEN SAID THAT WHILE GIGGLING LIKE A CHILD CLEARLY FULLY AWARE OF EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS UPTO AS WERE YOU ALL THROUGHOUT YOU COULDNT HAVE BOUGHT THEM BECAUSE THE MOST DEFINITELY DIDN'T BELONG TO THE NAME SOME TOFFY NOSED THEIF CHOSE TO PUT ON THE BILL OF SAIL THAT HECAND OTHERS FROM BRITAIN MADE UP TO COVER THE FACT THEY WERE STOLEN SO NICE TRY BUT PULL THE OTHER ONE ITS GOT BELLS ON BUYER BEWARE EVER HEARD THAT SAYING BECAUSE ITS THE LAW WE LIVE BY IN THIS SUCH AN AWESOME LOOKING AND SOUNDING DIPLOMACY YOU WILL BE TELLING ME NEXT THAT NATO REALLY ARE THE BIG BRAVE HEROIC GOOD GUYS WITH DELTA FORCE ALREADY IN GAZZA FIGHTING AGAINST 2 MILLION CIVILIANS SOME TURNED RESISTANCE FIGHTERS AFTER 2 YEARS OF OT PUTTING BOOTS ON THE GROUND IN UKRAIN ITS THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO BECAUSE RUSSIA IS A COUNTRY THAT CAN AND WILL DEFEND ITSELF AND THEY HAVE A REAL ARMY WITH WEAPONS BETTER THAN OURS SO NOT SO KEEN TO FIGHT THOSE WHO WOULD JUST LOVE TO FIGHT THE BRITS AND THE YANKS WE THE ONE TIME UK AND USA WERE TRULY ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF GOOD VERSES EVIL THEY STILL MANAGED TO BE THE SCUMBAGS IN THAT NUKING JAPAN TWICE ON HEAVILY POPULATED CIVILIAN AREAS AT RUSH HOUR 2 MONTHS AFTER THEY HAD ENTERED THE NEGOTIATING TABLE TO SURRENDER BECAUSE AFTER RUSSIA DEFEATTED THE NAZIS AND JAPAN AMERICA BERAYED THEM BECAUSE AMERICA WANTED TO PLAY WORLDS TOP DOG BUT KNEW IT WAS THE RED ARMY THAT WAS THE BIGGEST STRONGEST ARMY IN THE WORLD AND THE RED ARMY WAS STILL IN JAPAN WHEN AMERICA NUKED JAPAN TWICE THEN THEY NUKED THE MARSHALL ISLANDS TO THE EQUIVALENT OF A HIROSHIMA SIZED NUKE EVERY DAY FOR 12 YEARS WHILE CALLING THEM THE SAVAGES AND THE MORE THE PEOPLE IN POSITIONS OF TRUST ABUSE THEIR OWN POSITIONS TO COVER FOR THE CRIMINALS WHO HAVE ENTERED WESTERN GOVERNMENTS AND ABUSE NOT ONLY THEIR OWN POSITIONS BUT THE CORRECT PURPOSE OF THE MILITARY AND MEDIA ASWELL THE WORSE THE WAR CRIMINAL TERRORISTS OF ALL TERRORISTS LYING POLITICIANS HAVE GOT NOW OPERATING FROM FOOT IN THE DOORS OF BUNKERS MILES UNDERGROUND WITH BLAST DOORS AND OXYGEN CREATING GENERATORS LEAVING THE PEOPLE THAT PAID FOR THEM AS IGNORANT UNAWARE OBLIVIOUS MISLEAD AND SO AS DELUSIONAL AS CAN BE WITH NOTHING BUT A GET IN STAY IN TUNE INTO THE RADIO MESSAGE AND AN HOW TO GET UNDER A TABLE AND COVER THEIR HEADS WITH THEIR HANDS PROPERLY TUTORIAL VIDEO AND TOLD THAT IN THE EVENT THAT THEY CAUSE A NUCLEAR WAR MESSING WITH A COUNTRY THAT CAN AND WILL DEFEND ITSELF FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER THEN THE PEOPLE SHOULD ALL FEEL REASURED TO KNOW THAT THEIR WAR CRIMINAL TERRORISTS OF ALL TERRORISTS LYING POLITICIANS WILL BE ABLE TO GO ON AS THEY WERE AND CONTINUE TO OPERATE BECAUSE THEY WILL BE IN THOSE BUNKERS THAT THEY HAD THE PEOPLE PAY FOR NO EARLY WARNING SYSTEM WHATSOEVER NO AIR DEFENSE SYSTEMS WHATSOEVER RETIRED IN NO BUNKERS FOR ITS PEOPLE AND TO MANY TRAITORS TO THE PEOPLE ARE STILL LYING FOR THEM JUST GIVE THE RIGHTFUL OWNERS THEIR PROPERTY BACK NOT MY OING HAS ACCUMULATED ENOUGH WEALTH FROM STEALING FROM OTHERS THEY LITERALLY WALK AROUND WEARING SOME OF IT FOR THE LOVE OF THE PEOPLE START GETTING IT RIGHT THEY ARE NOT OURS SO GIVE THEM BACK LEAD BY EXAMPLE INSTEAD OF BEING THE REASON WHY THE LITTLE PEOPLE WATCHING YOU SO CALLED ADULTS THRN OUT TO HAVE SOME MORALS AS SO FAR THE ONLY PERRSON WITH ANY IN THIS DEBATE WAS THE WOMAN WHO SPOKE FOR GREECE WERE ASHAMED ITS EMBARRASSING HEARING AND SEEING HOW THOSE IN POSITIONS OF TRUST AND POWER BEHAVE BUT NO INTEGRITY EQUALS NO SHAME SO MOST THE SYSTEM OF POSITIONS OF TRUST ARE RIDDLED AND OVERFLOWING WITH THOSE WHO CAN NOT BE TRUSTED AND ITS EMBARRASSING TO SAY THE LEAST
Firstly they are the Parthenon Marbles..
Secondly we want them back..
Thirdly they belong to the citizens of Greece..
Forth, but not least.. the British Museum is harbouring stolen property..
We want them back..
🇬🇷🏛️🇬🇷🏛️🇬🇷🏛️🇬🇷🏛️🇬🇷
The problem is that the prime minister has no culture at all.
They could 3D print a collection of the Marbles.
Why not? Keep the prints at the British museum and return the original marbles to their rightful owners.
@@Aaqelol rightful owners? They were sold. Greece are welcome to make an offer for them
Laugh like a baboon. It is free and you can harm only yourself. The British bought STOLEN GOODS. Greece cannot buy what belongs to it. Don't you have anything from your own culture to display in your museums and you display what you stole from all over the world? THIEVES! @@DontBeAWollyy
ALL artifacts should be returned immediately. Laws should be established that no such artifacts be posessed, aquired, bought or sold by anyone including elected officials of a principal or destination entity or country. Only a nation's people themselves should have that right. By direct agreement and not by proxy. Distribution of any proceeds should also be decided by the people themselves.
All nations should demand the return of their historical works, period. A global class action by all plundered nations and societies, big and small, sounds about right here.
Greece should not only demand the return of their legacy but should also demand that payment be made for all the revenue generated from the possesion of these works.
A rent or percentage or proceeds should be remited from the benefit and premium charged for such possessions. It is ultimately a form of grave robbing regardless of buyer or seller (thief or fence).
Copyrights should also apply. Fees should be charged for any facsemilies and other reproductions and may be offered by the principal countries.
The question of penalties should also be explored for past and future violations of these rights.
And yes Mr. Sunak, you CAN "change laws" in order to serve justice. Novel idea?
They can buy them back at market value, £5m was paid, so it's very easy to work out what they £5m is worth now. Using a rough estimate, let's assume a conservative average inflation rate of 2% per year. Since 2024 is 223 years after 1801, we would compound the inflation over that period.
We can use the formula for compound interest:
A=P×(1+r)nA=P×(1+r)n
Where:
AA is the final amount after adjusting for inflation
PP is the initial amount (5 million pounds in this case)
rr is the annual interest rate (as a decimal)
nn is the number of years
Let's calculate:
A=5,000,000×(1+0.02)223A=5,000,000×(1+0.02)223
A≈5,000,000×(1.02)223A≈5,000,000×(1.02)223
A≈5,000,000×24.016A≈5,000,000×24.016
A≈120,080,000A≈120,080,000
So, approximately £5 million English pounds from the year 1801 would be worth around £120,080,000 pounds today.
Rishi never had any marbles, unless they were presented at birth on a golden platter?
To the British Museum and all others alike, return ALL stolen artifacts (marbles, stone and other material) to lands taken from! It is not a head-scratching exercise! Full stop!!!
To the victors the spoils! If your ancestors were weak, it's embarrassing to cry about it all these centuries later.
Slap a £3 billion bill on everything (storage, maintenance over the years) and see how quick these 'indian givers' come crawling from under their rocks !!
MONA LISA… isn’t the Mona Lisa displayed in Paris? 🤔
They weren't stolen, this idea has to be stopped.
Yes they were, by the Turks and bough from them by Elgin with full knowledge they were stolen - which makes him a fence.
Just give them the things back . Loans pffft they stole them
The marbles were payed for so if Greece pay for them including inflation on the amount payed, that sounds a decent idea.
I agree that the Elgin Marbles should be reunited with the Parthenon. So when will the Greeks donate the Parthenon to the british museum so that the reunification can occur?
Never maybe in your dreams Lol.Greetings from Greece!
Like the Ravens at the Tower...when the marbles leave so does British claim to conserve world culture.
There has been ongoing controversy surrounding the Elgin Marbles, as the Greeks express their discontent and frustration over their current location. However, it is crucial to acknowledge that the marbles were indeed acquired through a legitimate purchase, which consequently diminishes the validity of Greece's claim over them.
Fist of all they are not the Elgin marbles, they are the marbles of the Parthenon.
Greece was under ottoman occupation when Lord Elgin took them. Which by the way almost destroy them trying to get them down from the temple. The Parthenon marbles should return to Greece. The sculptures were damaged by the British museum as it is said at the interview were rubbed with wire wool. Also the British prime mister acted very rude to his counterpart. Not a nice way to treat a representative of a friendly country
OG SHUT UP....THEY DONT BELONG TO BRITAIN...PERIOD
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The Parthenon was barely there at the time. The Parthanon has only been rebuilt in recent times. Also, the locals were burning the statues and marbles in order to obtain lime.
It's highly likely that the Elgin marbles would have been destroyed if not for Lord Elgin taking them away.
@@alexsykakis7543Greece are welcome to make a cash offer
no imporatance to those who await Jesus Christs soon return ....democracy is fit for the khazi as it is a sodomite approving institution @@EvsEntps
I think this whole issues could be easily solved.... brittan just has to adopt a policy of open immigration for anyone whos cultural heritage is on display. Watch how fast the same people who are defending the British museum try and get rid of everything in it....
Imagine if they weren’t brought here ages ago I’m sure they would have been sold to private collectors or even stolen and locked away and loss to us all …
very right most have been
stay mad@@FreedomStrike76
I believe they were grinding up the ruins for fertilizer and Elgin was frightened the Ottomans had no regard for Greek culture.
There were originally baught for private ownership. Nothing has changed
@@FreedomStrike76nope. They would have been completely demolished and ruined. As would the Greeks have done at the time, not now of course
The Elgin Marbles have every right to be here . They were broken and it was the British who fixed them They should stay here forever. They wouldn’t have been fixed by the Greeks . 🙋♀️🇬🇧💖
She clearly doesn't know her history! If you go into a farmer's field a take an apple of the tree and leave, or do you ask the famer can I take an apple, with one was stolen! Elgin asked if he could take them, the current land owners said yes. If they hadn't been removed they wouldn't have existed today
That arguement cements the reason to return them, this is just another example exposing the nations criminality in ya own history, returning them is the moral thing to do. But morality is not in this cultures ability.
@@user-ou3cq1gk9m One should be careful about talking about historical morality when the Greeks are involved, considering the kind of things they were up to.
Would an Italian translation of the permit be signed? Doubt it, original would. Goverment in 1816 only saw English translation and never verified permission with Ottoman Empire when that was the purpose of the 1816 committee. Elgin was then in financial difficulty when sold the marbles to the goverment, as per his proposal. So you have to trust Lord Elgin was not corrupt.
He also during his time as British Ambassador in Greece was collecting marbles for his own home:
'In July of 1801, Elgin wrote to Giovanni Battista Lusieri, an Italian painter he employer to coordinate his marble collection in Athens: "I should wish to collect as many marble as possible. I have other places in my house which need it, and besides, one can easily multiply ornaments of beautiful marble without overdoing it."
Title: DID ELGIN CHEAT AT MARBLES?, By: Rudenstine, David, Nation
Source: brown edu online
'ELGIN, Thomas Bruce, 7th Earl (1766-1841). Autograph letter signed (‘Elgin’) to C.R. Broughton, B[room]hall, 13 June 1812.
Lord Elgin eagerly reports on the arrival of the Elgin Marbles and the possibility of their sale to the British Government. After expressing some frustration at the state of his accounts, Elgin announces triumphantly the arrival of his Marbles: ‘I am very happy to say, all my Marbles are safe arrived - So that nothing is now in the way of an arrangement with Government - By which, I trust, to be very shortly above all the Embarassement in which you have so kindly helped me. What I now want is only till that transaction’.
Following the removal to Britain in 1812 of his final collection of Parthenon marbles - a shipment totalling around 80 cases - Elgin’s flagging hopes of negotiating a sale to the nation were revived, and with them, his chances of clearing the large debts he had incurred since 1801, when he first encountered the marbles. His financial difficulties would not be alleviated immediately: it would take until 1816, after a select committee of the House of Commons pronounced that Elgin had not misused his powers in removing the marbles, that the government would commit to their purchase, entrusting them henceforth to the British Museum.'
Source: Christie's Auction
@@Zikar The marbles, focus on the theft of those, that’s the topic here mate!? The Greeks showed you civility, Britain showed the world barbarity and theft, no changes and doubles down this!?
@@user-ou3cq1gk9m There was no theft. They were bought. Referring to it as theft is, in itself, a lack of civility.
And what about the cannon depicting the shipwreck of St Paul which lies in the Tower of London taken by the British for safe keeping from Malta during World War 11 never returned in spite of endless requests from Malta for its return to the Island .
Because it was English property you melt
Thanks for the compliment Mr Tommy !!!
For your information the cannon depicting the Shipwreck of St Paul which to date is housed in the grounds of the Tower of London is a 17th century Maltese Cannon commissioned by the Sovereign Order of the Knights of St John of Jerusalem who ruled Malta between 1530 till 1798. Check it out next time you visit the Tower of London and see the cannon in question depicting the Shipwreck of St Paul and the ornate wheels decorated with the Eight Pointed Cross (Maltese Cross) a cross which was associated with the Knights Hospitaller of St John. The British came to Malta after the French were expelled in 1800 as a . protectorate.... becoming a de facto colony in 1800. During World War 11 Malta was a British ally and the cannon was taken to England for "Safe Keeping" and was never returned to where it belongs.. Malta...Thank you for your kind attention!
The artifacts are from the Parthenon & were stolen from Greece. Just hand them back to the rightful owners. No loans or swaps, give them back!
Elgin saved the marbles, they would've been lost if he hadn't, no point selling them then asking for them back.
SO they're saved and the rightful rulers of Greece are back. so they can go back home, right?
Maybe
You don't even know from whom Elgin got them in the first place, its funny that you have even have an opinion on this..
By the way, Elgin wanted to create his own personal museum, he was no 'saver' - just a mere smuggler. Even Lord Byron wrote about it...
How long have you had the incredible gift of telepathy? It's UNCANNY!!! I just assumed you were just arrogant and pretentious, why do you feel you are the only one entitled to an opinion? Whats Greek for bell-end? I'm sure you read my thoughts already, using your "POWERS"..
Modern Brits do we really have to say PLEASE? You are robbing us from our history have some shame for your leaders and just PLEASE do the right thing here. Honestly they are not just marbles. They are a work of art in it's finest form they also tell a story as they were on the PARTHENON BUILDING itself which is probably the most beautiful and sought after by WESTERN architecture as the pinnacle BUILDING OF THE BUILDINGS. I'll take the argument that you preserved them and thanks for that but since he grabbed them by paying some OTTOMAN ruler that didn't care any less for the western culture he also took advantage of the situation for his personal collection. Then sold them to the British museum to fund his divorce with Lady Elgin. Can't you see how all this is wrong? GREECE ever since got freed from the Ottoman rule 2 centuries ago has been asking for the sculptures back. We built one of the finest museums worldwide just 15 years ago and dedicated to the Parthenon sculptures which houses only pieces that come from the Acropolis area...and what a petty to lay your eyes in an empty spot waiting for the original sculptures only replaces by mere copies of them! Have some dignity and act morally here. RETURN THEM BACK TO THEIR MOTHERLAND as they are not just any piece of artifact. They represent all western values and are part of the GREATEST TEMPLE EVER CREATED IN THE GOLDEN CLASSICAL YEARS. That is why we Greeks are serious about the matter and you as Brits don't get it . Imagine the most sacred of all things you possessed been taken from you the wrong way. SO YES WE ASK POLITELY YOU THE MODERN CITIZENS OF THE UK TO STAND WITH THE RIGHT SIDE AND DEMAND FROM YOUR LEADERS TO ACT MORALLY. THANK YOU
Give them back. They have been an advert for Greek holidays in this country for too long.
It’s like my house is on fire but you run in to “save my possessions” you take all the ones with sentimental value… now the right thing to do is give them back. Thanks for taking care of them and looking after them but now it’s time to give them back… they are not ours. Greece is a stable legitimate state it’s not a war torn country by foreign occupiers that have no respect for the culture before them… such is the case for many artefacts in the British museum but not the case for these marbles. So much culture. History, blood, lives and land was lost during that Islamic occupation and in many instances the British authorities contributed to it… the least they can do is give back those marbles.
It's fascinating, a lot of fuss over a few old carvings has become a major diplomatic matter. Yes, I would dearly love to see the Parthenon sculptures returned to Greece if that is what the Greek nation wishes. Why not, it's no big deal to us generous Brits is it? At the same time I would like to see the medieval Malmesbury casket brought back to Britain - I believe it's in Canada somewhere, the Crosby Garrett helmet returned and displayed in Cumbria and the replica Woodchester pavement put on permanent display in Gloucestershire. Not too much to ask is it
Good old generous Brits.
@@user-ug8wx5er1wwe always are. To much. compare to other countries.
@@elementary101Musicyeah that's why it's the museum of loot.
@@elementary101Music😂😂😂
@@elementary101MusicBrits is usually generous over the other countries’ properties, including the Palestinians’ land, which was generously given to Israel in 1917……..😂……..there are countless world-wide looted treasures hiding in the underground of the British Museum……..one day, they all have to be returned…….
Not so, Elgin had permission from the then ruler, then spent the modern day equivalent of millions to remove and transport them. They would not exist today, if left where they were.
The Greeks need to get over it, they have more important problems at home to deal with.
The British will at some point have to decide whether they still want to be colonialist thieves or not. You cannon be clinging on to acts of barbarity exhibiting in plain sight stolen goods hacked off with sledgehammers from monuments and at the same time throwing a tantrum when people come to get their stuff calling you a thief. Cant have it both ways. Keep the artifacts and the shame or do away with both. But this option will probably not be on the table forever because I suspect that in the long run Britain will somehow be forced to return the stolen goods, because the position is untenable, at which point only the shame will remain.
you do realise , men and women used to live for 800 - 900 years before politics and doctors were ever around!!! ???
GIVE BACK THE EMERALDS DIAMONDS AND RUBYS AND GOLD THAT WERE STOLEN FROM AFRICA INDIA AND OTHER COUNTRIES THAT SOME OF WHICH IS IN THE CROWN ASWELL WHILE AT IT
Cry about it 😂
One day you are the one who is going to cry but it will be too late. THIEF @@nodruj8681
If they brought the goods in good faith the law sides with the buyer
if they had good tuthful faith , thy wouldnt be buying stone idols
What if bought from people who stole them, as was the case.
Long term loan?!? Wow let’s loan you something we stole from you
Sunak n his muppet Osborne feeding us the old Empire line. My god it's great. Back to the days of the Raj what what
I just wish the government would focus on helpful us the citizens actually live well rather than with stuff like this
They were bought and payed for legally , and probably wouldn’t exist if they were left, so get over it they are staying 👍
You can’t pay for legally for ancient treasures that exists in that location for thousand of years.
I would like to buy one stone from the Stonehenge please😂😂😂😂
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So by your logic, just because you say you can’t that somehow equates to fact 🤣
Next you’ll be telling me the koh -I-noor diamond is stolen 👍
@@mrjinks5641 the diamond is not a wonder of the world smart £ss.
But if you go to that route yes is stolen!
UK has been built based on others wealth!Look at the history darling
"Sent on loan to Greece in exchange for Greek cultural treasures. So, you want me to lend you your own stuff so I can get to see your own stuff? 😈😈 The Devil is in the detail."
@Mikey72182 100% agreed. I edited my comment. The grammar is as crazy as the state of affairs over the Marbles
Lets all be honest here no one cares or even remember the existence of these artefacts in British museum, give them back where they belong
They should go back, make copies the were 'purchased' from the Ottoman Turks who weren't bothered about Greek arts and artifacts
The Greeks have shot themselves in the nether regions by stating that they would never return them if loaned. That is the only thing standing in the way of their return on an effectively permanent basis. It is certainly doubtful if they would have survived at all if it had not been for their removal by Lord Elgin, as ancient monuments all over Greece were being looted out as cheap quarries for building materials - a practice which was commonplace worldwide throughout most of recorded and pre-history.
Yes, we know now that some of the methods used in their conservation were incorrect, but they were always the best practice of the time, so would have been unlikely to have been treated any better if they were anywhere else. If left in place, and protected from becoming a quarry for building materials, the air pollution in Athens over the years would have done them far more harm.
Yeah, we quarried Hadrians Wall, the A66 is built on the back of it. And thats a real tragedy.
@@memofromessex It certainly is, and nearer to home, the Romans undoubtedly had a road from Colchester [Camulodunum] through Chelmsford [Caesaromagus] to London {Londinium]. Chelmsford, in particular, must have been very significant beyond any surviving record except its name, as to name anywhere with the Imperial prefix of "Caesar" (omagus translates to tribute, so it was called "Caesar's Tribute" or "Tribute to Caesar") was an exceedingly rare honour, but archaeologically, almost nothing remains, and that is buried - but far enough apart to show that Caesaromagus did cover a considerable area of over a square mile for just the administrative and central area.
As you may be able to tell, I was mostly brought up in Essex, too.
Interestingly we exactly know what they would look like, had they stayed in Athens, because the majority of the marbles on the Parthenon never left Athens and can be admired in a museum just next to the acropolis. And those marbles are in a far better state than those in the British museum.
So objectively, the Greeks have been actually better at preserving them than the Brits were.
It’s not that marble of Parthenon is half of the museum to be returned 😂😂😂
Greek make the game this time !
Collonial habits and narratives die hard apparently....you loan something that you own, you return something you stole...its pretty simple...Greece never signed any sort of sell of any marbles...what is the difficult part to understand on the situation?
Colonial habits? Greece was never colonised by the UK and the marbles were purchased not stolen. Get your facts straight.
@@markbeaumont3292 Some people just read the headlines of the Guardian article and delve no deeper!
Have you been to the parthenon? The only reasin they are un such good condition is because they arevin Britain.
No true. The Greeks removed a lot from Parthenon and took them to their museum recently. Remember the marbles were there for more 2,000 when Elgin removed them.
This British government have stolen my life,
Probably only 3% of the UK had seen them
How did you come to that figure? 😅
At last they were not destroyed by the Turks.
Yes, the galleries would be empty. That is okay.
They could put some British artifacts like... Beatles records
There would just be Modern 'Art' and that be a would tragedy for all of humanity.
You're either honourable or you're not...
WHAT honourable did you see what they let them pro whatevers do on our streets ? Hmm my sp it has more honour LITERALLY
Put the marbles out on 'loan' for period of 200 years with agreement Greece covers the entire cost of packaging,transportation and insurance...At the end of the 200 year 'loan' period will anyone really care if the marbles just happen to remain in Greece?
Greece will Veto all agreements of EU-UK till the return of marbles.
Diversion tactics. Pathetic.
Uk should hand back some of the other stolen properties to the respective nations: The Rosetta Stone to Egypt, the Benin Bronzes to Nigeria, The Koh-i-Noor Diamond to India...
Looks like the Greek PM came looking for a row. In that case least said sooner mended.
£65M a year?!!! Wtaf!!!
It’s way past time to give back absolutely everything that was stolen from which ever country with a huge sincere apology.
Without the british purchases all of the marbles would have been destroyed . Learn history
Give em back but Britain should be compensated
The marbles were purchased from the people who had owned the land for 400 years! Too many people crying these days for the weaknesses of their ancestors. There was a crazy one the other day on Antique Road Show, where the granddaughters of Sir Harold Kittermaster who was governor of the protectorate from 1926 to 1931 and was given a golden robe by Haile Selassie, the then Emperor of Ethiopia. The men were good friends and the Emperor gifted the robe to Sir Harold as a mark of their respect for one another. It was suggested by the "expert" that the robe should be given back to Ethiopia. If someone gifted your family a robe because they like you and the job that you did, why should anyone have the timerity to suggest you give it back? it was a gift FFS.
Precisely, it's like buying a house only for the owner from before you bought it demanding it back because his grandparents live there.
they were not purchased from the Ottomans (get ur facts checked) . They were removed with their tolerance (not even with their permission). Ottomans just didnt care. Lord Elgin was one of many "removers".
Guess you are saying that you are fair game?
If they were bought then it belongs to the British Museum
If we bought them then they are ours simple
Can anyone think of a single thing that little Snu-Snu has actually got right since he crawled up the U-bend of No 10?
The economy
@@ppo2424that must be why the economic forecast was revised down.
@@ppo2424 You mean the economy he wrecked as Chancellor? Wrong kind of right my friend.
@@101Mant Up and down all the time, minor adjustments and often innacurate.Inflation is coming down.
The thumb nail was belting 😅😅
Well if you buy jewellery or goods fro other countries it’s free trade. Greece must return all the bailouts
‘We don’t have to give them back, we stole them fair and square.’
Not a good argument, or a good look.
We didn't steal them though so what you on about?
Return the marbles back. It was stolen and it does not belong to you.
Show your own history at your museum (even though its non existent)..
They were purchased in a perfectly legal and fair transaction. If the Greeks want them back they must pay for them to come back.
This is doubted today by historicans. The papers Elgin back then provided do not proof he purchased them legally and the archives of the ottoman empire hold no documents that would back up his story. Legally a permit to bring artefacts out of the country needed permission from the sultan. Such permission would have been copied and kept in the ottoman archives, but nothing alike can be found there. Also the "permission" Elgin provided was in Italian, not the official language of the ottoman empire.
So I wouldn't be so sure about the legality of the trade.
@@helgaioannidis9365 doesn’t matter there is some evidence perhaps weak but there is some and it’s been over 100 years since. Trying to disprove this now is just silly! You want them pay for them.
@@danielschauffer8216 doesn't matter to you, but legally and morally it does matter.
And I'm not Greek btw, I'm not asking for them, the Greeks want them back and they started claiming them back nearly 100 years ago.
@@helgaioannidis9365 legally? Who has brought a legal challenge? I suspect it wouldn’t stand up to scrutiny. I hope a legal challenge can be made so we can see the real strength of the evidence on both sides rather than just suspecting one way or the other.
@@danielschauffer8216 yes that would be interesting. Yet UNESCO suggested the two countries should find an agreement through a political process and not through court. So the Greeks try to stay true to what the international community requests.
GIVE THEM BACK!!
Greece can buy them back
@@DontBeAWollyywhat about you pay fines for your colonies 😂
@@Oscar.Blenheim62836 are you going to tell Muslims to pay fines for their old colonies and slaves they owned? Also, I have a feeling those colonial countries regret us leaving considering how worse off they are now 😂 most do not even have clean water 😂 shame
Sell them back for £3 trillion. Let’s clear the national debt.
This is how England did with all the colonies anyway is not new technique.
From Slavery to stealing and destroying.😅
The Greeks should focus on getting Constantinople back rather than some marbles that Lord Elgin legitimately purchased and saved them from being destroyed by the Ottomans.
What a lame comment 😒 the marbles belong in Greece also he purchased them from the Ottomans which Greece was still under the Ottomans occupation .