@@marionlogan6069 that's the hypocrisy of the LGBT community. As a bi woman myself, there are so many things we say and do and no one bats an eye but if a straight person said those things it would be all over the internet. I've heard people from this community say things about straight people and even other members of the community that had my jaw on the floor and I am not a PC person at all. I think it's the hypocrisy of "we can do it but they can't" that drives me nuts ! 😖
I support’s the LGBTQ community’s right to choose whatever path they believe is right for them HOWEVER I do not support them forcing me to abide by their rules and desires within that path. Imagine if you were a catholic but I was a Muslim… and you told me to eat pork despite knowing it was something I didn’t want to do out respect for my right to make my own choices. You then say I have to eat it or you create a public freak out simply because you believe you’re right and I should therefore support it because you said so. I would say while I respect that you chose your religion please respect that I have chosen mine and do not try to force me to do something I don’t want to do or else all this love, peace, my body my choice and stop gaslighting you preach is all for show!!! Not ok!
what a weirdly prejudiced take on this 😭 he appropriated callling other people sister as a cultural thing as a phrase and detached it from gender and its original context. the problem was he didn’t see the problem with people being uncomfortable, because thats nobodys but the person whos being referred to’s choice
Agree. Being gay doesn't mean you are more feminine. It's a sexual/romantic identity, not a gender identity... so outdated. And honestly, being an ally doesn't mean burying your identity to cater to someone else.
Thank you so much for saying this! I so much appreciate people whom are LBGTQ+ speaking out on this. It’s so frustrating that so many don’t see the hypocrisy.
I have also seen people who try to correct "pronouns" of a person from the LBGTQ+ to say "they/them", when not all want to be refered to as that but by the gender they were born with. Some it's just their sexual preferences, some it's both, etc. Everyone can be different. In the end, we all have to be respectful, not assume and the best way to reffer to someones is always using their name.
Yeah people need to respect boundaries. It's similar to how some people are comfortable with reclaiming slurs in certain contexts (like my friends and I lovingly calling one another queer) but if someone says they're not ok with that you HAVE to respect it. In the case of gay men being called girl, I can definitely see how for many that can be a trigger for memories of homophobic bullying/harassment, but even when that isn't the case it really comes down to respect for how others want to be treated and not continuing to do or say things that people have expressed discomfort over. (With the exception of people trying to shut down important conversations by saying they are uncomfortable, like getting upset when someone points out that they did or said something racist. But that's entirely different)
@@KraXoom i had no idea people do that. I call everyone dude (I mean. Its a goodburger thing lmao so 🤷) but I had no idea people call gay people girl... it makes no sense in my head
I strongly disagree with you on one point: Bullying his brother is NOT a small, trivial thing. Ignoring "don't call me sister" from 14 year old kids is NOT a small, trivial thing. It's predatory as hell, and it makes me sick that a stop wasn't put to him back then.
I agree. My mom underestimated the amount of emotional damage my sister did to me. It took me years to overcome. My mom even admitted later on that she should have stepped in sooner.
I'm a person who uses all pronouns for myself and sometimes I mix up people's pronouns, but I can't imagine not correcting myself or still calling them the way they don't want me to. It's an arsehole move and I hate it. Poor Ian
I’m going to tell you the honest truth: we have to stop idolizing celebs. Part of the problem with these influencers is they’re wanting to be celebs SO badly for the attention. Ie, when you talked about how awesome zendaya is. We need to get to a point where we realize we don’t know celebs. They don’t know us. Ergo being obsessed with the idolatry is harming us.
Agreed. You can casually admire someone’s public persona from a distance, but you have to also acknowledge that the persona isn’t the person; it’s a performative approximation of that person. It’s also fine to deeply admire a person’s achievements/work. But that admiration shouldn’t leak into the person’s private/personal life because they are still essentially strangers to you-and should remain as such. Letting that admiration grow into obsessive idolization is inappropriate and unhealthy. It creates unrealistic expectations and can enable delusional thinking. And it’s not fair to either the admirer (fan) or the admired (celebrity).
Very well said. I think enjoying content ppl make from an editing standpoint, creative expression is one thing. But many of these influencer types don't actually have talent. They are idolized because their friends like them, they think they are attractive etc.
@@Dingdongaccountant most influencers have zero talent and gain their following making fools of themselves because it’s so easy to make money. They follow these silly trends on social media and make milllions. When the tees fizzles out they are left talentless still and broke with no way to make money so they start acrílico crazy
As a trans man, his insistence on calling his brother “sister”-despite his brothers repeated corrections-is despicable. If I had seen that video when it came out I would have immediately known James is not a good person.
same same. I *really* dislike gendered language aimed at me, and my husband really dislikes the wrong gender being aimed at him, so I know from both sides that it's just... socially awkward, uncomfortable, and illfitting *as well as* blatantly disrespectful. And like you could say "oh they're brothers, they're just playing", but nothing about Ian's tone, attitude, or body language implies he's kidding, enjoying it, or in on the joke. He's acting like he's the butt of it.
As someone who doesn't care about my own pronouns, I think other peoples wishes about their way of being addressed should be respected ALWAYS. Brothers teasing is not an excuse to double down on Ians uncomfort and making him the joke of the video. Also not taking into account, Ian was young and was probably still be in school with classmates who might take this opportunity tease him at every chance.
Misgendering a cisgender person is still misgendering and it's not freaking okay. Gender dysphoria is not a pleasant experience and cisgender people can absolutely get it too. Making his brother wear makeup, heels, and a dress when he was clearly uncomfortable with it was so gross. - Nonbinary transgender person
"No" isn't funny, it isn't a joke, it isn't an invitation to argue. "No." is a complete sentence, a hard boundary, and a refusal to consent. That needs to be respected. Jen, you're absolutely right, this stuff with Ian should've been enough evidence of James's shitty behavior and personality. I never followed James Charles, I didn't know who he was until the fallout with Tati, but I am sickened by watching his antics here.
Exactly , I get If he was ATTEMPTING to use “sisters-“ as the way some people would use bro , or dude , in a sentence , but it wasn’t and once his brother said no, it should have been no . Instead . He continued. That isn’t even “miscommunication “ that’s ignoring clear boundaries
It's clear nasty, abominable, bully behavior. The kind of thing that sadists, narcissist, sociopaths/psychopaths, & various other predators & devils perpetrate. In my opinion.
@sonjaimmonen6610 the worst part for me was the fact that he blackmailed his brother into filming with him. and he thought it was funny. imagine having a millionaire brother who will only fly you out to visit him if he can make content out of it. 🤢
Thisssss I was thinking about that, when Emma Chamberlain was involved as well. It was so uncomfortable to watch. Knew nothing about him at that point and got such a huge ick from him then.
When Jen zoomed in on the yearbook photo, the evidence of him photoshopping his picture was clear. If you look at the lights on his eye, there is no ring light. You can clearly see two lights were used instead. Mind blown.
as a parent of 2 boys, one cis and one trans, this makes me so angry and sad for Ian. AGGRESSIVELY not respecting the pronouns or gendered titles of your own SIBLING is abhorrent. it's not cute. it's mean. and to do it to LITTLE teens.... jesus christ. you're right to make this video showing the signs that were missed. we need to keep our eyes and ears out for this shit at all times.
couldn't help but think that the reason why James thought the IT movie sucked 5 minutes in was because we're supposed to feel sad about the death of a little brother
@@SirThinks2Much well when you have no empathy you wouldn't feel sad. That whole movie is supposed to attach itself to empathy and narcissists lack the ability to feel it.
anti lgbt people will always say that queer people are predators regardless of how many or what percent of queer people actually are though. the way any queer person acts, good or bad, will always be held against the whole community by people that intend to spread hate or misinformation
He’s not the only person. Pretending that there are not predators from the community is manipulative, I would not trust somebody that guilts people into being blind to the dangers of every people.
I almost don’t want to watch this video because I despise the sight of the 3 Js, Hill, Star and Charles. Just ignorant, lying, bigoted and dangerous people. But because it’s you Jen, I’m watching, commenting and liking.
I've seen a lot of "Deep Dives" into this guys story, but this is by far the best I've ever seen. I love that researching and sharing are a passion of yours Jen, it really shows in the in depth content you present, and the lengths you go to be so accurate in it all. 💜
In the first video Ian still looks VERY young, to the point that he was still in school, & going home to everyone calling him ‘Sister Ian’ at school is exactly what he didn’t want. As an older brother he should have been thinking of ways to protect his brother and shield him from the many downsides of fame. Instead he chose to repeatedly exploit him for monetary gain. Withholding the trip from the whole family if he didn’t do what he wanted. That’s a lot of pressure to put on a teenage boy. James Charles is the definition of narcissistic and justifying his actions by saying, ‘well he got something from it too’. It’s sad.
@@themessindomestic I thought Ian moved in with James before he finished high school. Maybe he finished school in LA? I could be totally wrong. There is no shortage of stories out there.
Another thing that makes this incredibly uncomfortable is how absolutely fake James is toward Ian... like the "my favorite person in the world's" and tight squeezing hugs. You can clearly see on Ian's face how he feels.
I don't think James Charles ever thought he was going to do makeup I think he saw a market on CZcams that could be lucrative so he went with it... I think originally he wanted to be found as a singer like Justin Bieber... And his fall back was going to hair, hence the description talking about doing hair but then he saw the makeup craze
I hope I’m not the only one who’s suspicious of how often someone accuses James of something really big and after a few days they LOUDLY say that they didn’t mean it and it was all fabricated. I mean……… in 2024, we are all familiar with what it looks like when influencers start trying to silence others behind the scenes. I highly doubt that every single one of them was lying.
@@sadmermaid or money. Like his PR team bought that fluff piece of him in Paper magazine. I need magazines to stop slobbering all over influencer boots. So I just checked and his mom is an model and an actress, and his dad is a contractor. That would mean just from parents (excluding extended family and mom's connections within the celebrity industry), he'd be at least upper middle class in wealth to begin with.
Born in the UK in the 70s. David Bowie, Adam ant, the new romantics, culture club, the entire 80s and punk culture. Boys wearing makeup is nothing new.
You're right about performance! I grew up loving Poison, Guns n Roses, and Motley Crue. All wore makeup. Men in the beauty industry are a different situation. The difference is Adam Ant wasn't a spokesperson for Maybelline or Revlon. David Bowie wasn't promoting Estee Lauder. They were wearing stage makeup for performance. Men in beauty in this case are wearing makeup for every day wear, challenging gender norms for cis men in daily life. That's what's different here.
Yes you are right, although my comment was actually aimed at the parents having an issue. Although I understand the attitudes of most people at the time boys don't wear makeup ( certainly my parents era) I was thinking more along the lines with my generation and more specifically in UK as we are less conservative than the US that it's nothing we haven't already seen.
@@jenluvwhile what you say is true I would argue that it wasn’t just for stage, in the 80s in London, if you walked around Kensington market or Camden high street or other alternative areas of London there men walking around in makeup in broad daylight, it wasn’t necessarily completely socially accepted but it also wasn’t unheard of. Men definitely did wear makeup as an every day thing.
1. I might be getting older as I really love and appreciate it long form videos. I scroll pass a lot of reels. I don't like mind numbing videos and absolutely enjoy videos that activate my critical thinking. 2. Never liked James Charles and probably never will. But I am living for this series, can't wait to see Part 2 and etc.
@@shelbseroo Oh I would not have guessed! He seemed so uncomfortable in front of a camera and with makeup that I figured he’d want nothing to do with that but I guess it was just that James was pushing ALL the boundaries.
Tati 100% hit the nail on the head with Bye Sister and it’s such a shame she turned out to be a spineless coward and took it all back just to get back on his good side.
From what I recall, they all got pulled into a meeting at You Tube HQ with lawyers after Bye Sister, and then whatever happened there is when the walking back started. I wish I could have been a fly on that wall
No excuses for James but why did their Mom let James force his underage brother to be in a video that he wasn't paid for. I think the adults in the situation including Tati Westbrook need to take responsibility for themselves. It was obvious that James is immature and not a responsible adult. I wouldn't be putting up with this nonesense.
I think it's weird that fully grown adults (Tati, et al) were besties with a child (James Charles) in the first place. The fact that he is so immature just makes it weirder. I wasn't trying to be friends with 17-19 year olds as soon as I hit 20. Make-up and having the same job isn't enough in common to justify it.
@@tammystiletto I don't think it was sisterly - not predatory either though- I think it was very parasitic & self-interested, I think she wanted to attach herself to him because he was on such a rise, she protested so much about the relationship not being transactional then spat & fumed over all the stuff she did for him without getting 'enough' back, transactional in a nutshell
@@candycigarette7202 James did Tati’s makeup for her wedding in Hawaii. If that’s not the definition of ‘trust,’ I don’t know what is. Tati’s channel was leaps and bounds ahead of where James was when she began mentoring him - so the claim that she was leveraging his nascent stardom to her advantage is quite silly. I also find her claim to be completely rational - namely that she was hurt by what she interpreted as James’ indifferent to backstabbing behavior, and repulsed by what she learned of James’ predatory actions towards young males. I’m 59 though, and understand having an urge to nurture younger individuals who may be up-and-coming. This may have been more pronounced in Tati’s case as she is childless.
OMG, I truly just realized Ian was soo uncomfortable, I thought he was just playing a role, acting like he didn’t wanna be there yet he was in so many videos with JC… it all makes sense now!
Wow, wow, wow.... as an educator, this is a prime example of why teenagers should not be on social media. Their brains are not fully developed, so they do not understand consequences of bad behavior. They really do not have the ability to handle themselves in such high profile situations. Where were his parents? I am shocked at how he treated his brother....I think money was definitely the motivation for his brother, but James took it way too far.
Teens can be on social media, but should have parental oversight. Their parents not stepping in is awful. My 14-year-old is on social media, and if there’s something her dad and I don’t want, we’ll tell her why, and she’ll defer to us since we discuss it. She is aware that she is still learning and that her brain still developing doesn’t mean she’s stupid for what she doesn’t understand yet. James’s and Ian’s parents dropped the ball on parenting once their older son started making money.
@@NoelleTakestheSky to me, as a mum, it looks like the parents dropped the ball far earlier on than that. I could be wrong of course, but it feels like James’ behaviour stems from not being told “no!” often enough throughout his childhood.
@@yourfuturewaifu9061yeah it’s somewhat a misconception but it is 100% true that children, teens, and young adults struggle to think into the future, and struggle to predict the consequences of their actions. This along with worse impulse control can lead to some less than desirable behaviors. It is a widely accepted concept in the medical field
I just hate the fact he literally misgenders his brother omggggg PLEASE STOP i was so uncomfortable myself and im not even the one being misgendered, he looked so uncomfortable im so sorry... I feel like no one is speaking about this much but honestly, it bothera me a lottttt 😭 ALSO PLEASE THE FACT HE FORCED HIM TO GO OUT IN PUBLIC, NO ONE SHOULD FORCE SKMEONE TO DO SOMETHING THEY DONT FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, ESPECIALLY IN PUBLIC 💀
I agree that Ian was treated horribly on camera and probably worse off camera, but I don't think it was misgendering in James' head (who knows maybe it was tho)(also not trying to defend that pos, I just don't think it was misgendering) since he calls everyone a sister, it's not gendered term in his channel's jargon, more like a petname for viewers and close people. That said since his little brother felt uncomfortable it's frustrating he didn't stop.
I don’t like James at all, but he was misgendering him is a big reach. His brother isn’t trans, most cis people do not really care if someone calls them, girl or sister, because it’s just the way they talk.
@@skylarpaul1248 While I agree and personally wouldnt care that much if my sister called me "brother" as a joke, Ian clearly was uncomfortable with it and as the older sibling (or just sibling in general) James should've dropped the "sister" after the second time he was corrected. At least that's what my sister would do because she cares about my comfort and doesnt have a narcissism flea in her ear telling her she needs to be right and double down in every single scenario.
@@eva1585 I could see where you could see that, but I’m pretty sure that was a shtick they did on purpose. Just like James did with the Dolan twins, it was like a joke
When James Charles blamed Joe Biden for that Roe vs Wade is gone .. I was like , go back to school James !! Also , you wanna hurt James the most? Don´t buy his makeup , don´t listen to his " music " and don´t watch his youtube/tiktok .. Hurt him where it hurts the most , the money !!
@@christiecruzxo2841 Maybe to us but for him it´s not good .. He went from 10-20-30 million views per video to 1 .. so it´s a BIG drop in numbers for him !!
@@christiecruzxo2841I know right!!???!! Like are there that many naive delusional people out there?? Or are there alot of impressionable kids out there unaware of his past????
It's so disappointing to see people like this who not deserve the success get it, when there is so many great, authentic content creators (like you Jen & also myself) who never get recognition because we don't have drama or shady tactics to draw in followers.
At the time, the world needed a boy with makeup to put in the limelight, and he was in the right place at the right time. He was 1 out of hundreds of talented boys like him. Probably many more talented with less of an ego than James. I never liked him in the beginning, and it hasn't changed. My opinion
gender dysphoria is a horrible thing, even for cis people, james’ insistence on calling ian sister and making him more feminine when he very clearly didn’t want to is disgusting.
Oh no... The day has come. We always knew something was weird between him and Ian, and it got stranger when Jeffree made that horrible tweet about "the real reason" Ian moved to NYC. I mean, JS is awful, but I'm not sure he's lying. Even some people who dislike Jeffree said the voicemail is indeed real and heartbreaking.
Poor poor Ian. That poor kid. He looked so uncomfortable, and it was clear that he did not want to be called sister. And that his brother posted it online for his many followers. How much bullying did this poor kid receive because of this? All for internet marketing?
It's so frustrating to see how he insisted on calling people sisters when they didn't want to be, ignoring their identity and forcing them to be lumped into his community whether they wanted to be part of it or not. It's very disrespectful and self-centered. Like some others have said, I always got off vibes from him and so I never followed him closely, so its pretty fascinating seeing it all laid out like this. Looking forward to the next part(s)!
The worst part about this is, he was called out so so long ago and the people who called him out were trounced. Careers were ruined, all over this immature individual. Granted, things were done in a way that wasn’t the best.
I just have to say your videos are so well done. I couldn’t care less about James Charles, but you’ve drawn me right in 😂. My CZcams tastes have changed lately (I watch a lot more book content now), but you’re one of the only make up YTers I still watch!
Just started the video but wanted to thank you for not always assuming that your audience knows every single thing about the US! Explaining about the map and the politician were really nice moments.
Just started this video and saw your comment. I also have to express my gratitude for this. Usually it's assumed everyone knows the whole US if not lives there. Thank you❤ -a Finnish fan 🇫🇮
@@currybread5298 right? I love creators that don’t act like the US is the “standard” and we’re just weird for not knowing every little thing about them!
Even as an American I wouldn’t have understood those! I’m terrible with geography LMAO. Plus, I’m only 19 and was like 7 when Obama was running for his second term, I definitely wasn’t paying attention to politics 💀
To be fair, far too many people frequently make that mistake. That doesn’t excuse him, but it’s a common fopaux. There’s no way to know with certainty if this was… a genuine mistake made of ignorance (he honestly thought Africa was a country), a slight guised as ignorance (purposefully misspoke knowing it was offensive but is using ignorance as a scapegoat), or simply a Freudian Slip (he accidentally said “country” when he actually meant “continent”).
I could excuse a mistake like ignorance of country versus continent (I bet a lot of students today don’t know the difference), but cannot excuse predatory behavior.❤
I followed James for a while. The red flag I look back on was a video he did with someone, I’ve forgotten who, he was whining about his love life and how he couldn’t find anyone to date. He said the problem was he was only interested in straight guys. The other person in the video said well that’s your problem, and James just laughed it off. This was years ago, I might be slightly misremembering, but that’s about what happened. I thought it was weird at the time, but I never thought it was what we have since heard.
@@Amanda-qz3zh Yeah, that’s right. I stopped following him not long after that. I liked makeup videos, but the more his videos became about his personality, the more I wasn’t interested.
Honestly, I think it is quite possible Ian didn't get paid for the videos. James being a family member could have easily put a lot of pressure on Ian to be in videos.
Not only do all James Charles "apologies" feel disingenuous and lacking accountability; but they so often miss the point entirely. James no one cared about your opinions on IT. They were pointing out that it's rude to be constantly on your phone in a movie theater and it's a little ignorant to criticize a movie when you're clearly paying more attention to your phone 🙄
James Charles has always given me the ick and Tati Westbrook´s video she did about him a few years ago made it all the more clear.. Not that I even liked Tati at that point because of things she's said in a video she did a bit before, but James Charles has always given me the ick...
Tati was telling the truth & when she recanted I lost all respect. I don’t think he’s changed-I just think he’s more careful. The fact he still has a career is mind blowing.
Holy shit, the videos with Ian are awful 😬 It genuinely looks like he’s fighting his fight or flight response. Like jfc James, JUST STOP OVERSTEPPING HIS BOUNDARIES (and then setting the boundary line on fire).
Damn it Zendaya!! 😂🤦♀️🤦♀️ How did he go from a cute and awkward kid to such an allegedly nasty and creepy person?! 💔 his brother looks so uncomfortable bless him 💔
@@1015SaturdayNightpeople in the south have said malarkey for years upon years upon years :) LOL trust me, Biden didn’t coin that term. 🥰 I hope you know I’m in no way being rude, just saying that term has been around a very, very long time :) 🩷
I cannot wait to see the other parts in this series! I actually worked at the makeup counter at Dillards in 2019 when lipstick gate and bye sister happened and it was definitely a HUGE moment for beauty and CZcams. I had never liked James for reasons I couldn't put into words and I felt validated and then, not soon after, redacted that validation when more information came out about him. Of course, hindsight is 20/20 and we all know now what kind of person he is (even though he still has a platform and refuses to leave the internet). I love that you are analyzing situations like this so that we can make informed decisions in the future about who we choose to support and associate ourselves with as consumers!
I also feel like sometimes with demanding family members, it's easier to give in than to continuously argue with them and the video clips with Ian and James really make James seem like that kind of demanding person
This is actually crazy… I had heard about bad things but it’s really wild how deep it goes. thank you so much Jen for bringing to light all of these things!! Also your makeup is beautiful 🤩
He is from my area and I know people who have said that even before all of the fame and controversy, he was the same person. They said this at the beginning of his popularity.
Why was he beating Maddie’s face like that? Here’s a tip! If you have to be that harsh while using a product? The products aren’t working and you’re probably not that good. I don’t go that hard on my own face. With other people, you go lightly and build up the products because you don’t know what their experiences are.
You brought up a great point: a lot of parents only accept their queer children if they get famous and rich. I see this often, sadly. But I didn't think this was the case for James... Didn't he say multiple times that his mother bought him makeup and his dad constructed his studio, denying they ever rejected him?
Im really glad that you mentioned that James' parents not accepting him wearing makeup until it was making him money was really unkind of them, and may well have played a role in influencing how he went on to see his self worth as being related to how famous and how much money he made. I clocked that immediately when you first said his parents acted like that, and I was really glad to see you noticed it as well and brought it to our attention. The role of a parent is HUGE, we have to be so thoughtful and aware of how our behaviour will be interpreted and mimicked by our children, its the biggest responsibility in the world!
Please 🙄. There is nothing wrong with the parents not wanting there young ones to wear a cake of makeup. For work its understandable and special occasions ; but definitely not for daily use.
Did anyone tell James he completely missed the entire secondary plot behind "IT"? Him not getting it tells me that he hasn't read a single King book, nor knows enough about his writing style to understand the concept behind the BOOK. Akso, King sells the rights to the stories in his books to sell to directors/screen writers to make movie adaptations of his books. Stephen King is a book author, NOT a movie director, screen writer, or what have you. He sells the ability to those who do make movies so they can make their vision of King's books into a movie format. King's money comes from books, that is literally his job - write stories. Sure, he has a cameo in almost all of the movie adaptations from his books, but the creative process of movie making is left up to directors, screen writers, etc. This is easily verifiable information readily available via interviews that King himself has done throughout the years. Also, rule #1 of theater etiquette says to put your phone on silent and away, there's literally a bit on the screen that says this before the movie starts. Most movie theater workers are trained to kick out anyone on their phone. The fact that he wasn't kicked out, and was on his phone throughout the movie would have pissed me off to no end if I were to have seen him do this. I am an AVID King fan, have read his books, have seen a lot of the movie adaptations, and is the only author I consistently read. IT in its full glory is terrifying from the BOOK that King wrote. Neither of the movies that King sells the rights for CHEAP on (and gets no income from profits for) are scary to this horror fan. I'm glad I didn't watch this guy other than his consistent downfalls by other channels.
I have never had an issue with people networking and making connections for professional purposes. My issues are not respecting boundaries, doubling down on that stance, and well the other bigger stuff that just takes this to the next level. When he forced or pressured someone to change their story, or publicly attacked someone because they didn’t reciprocate affection- I find that incredibly disturbing. I stopped following and/or listening to anything he posted after that. I couldn’t support that behavior. Since then his behavior has just gotten worse and includes minors. How does he still have a following?
Then I think more needs to be said about this! Because up till the end, we're talking about a minor. Jen was a teacher but fails to see how his parents allowed him to act this way. Now, once he gets older and he ignores ppl trying to help him understand why he's upsetting and he doesn't listen, that's an adult being a p.o.s. Then, it's on him. But this video was just wild to watch a grown woman shit on a minor.
I had to stop the video to comment: the part with poor Ian, so absolutely CRINGE. As a mother seeing this I would intervene! He's clearly not comfortable with being there... I was never a fan or follower of this creep, so never atcually got deep viewing of his videos.
If Ian was calling him the wrong pronouns the entire community would’ve been up in arms. He bullies his own brother and not a word?
@@marionlogan6069 yes! And calls Ian sister but refers to himself as a brother even though it was supposed to be his “sister” thing
Things were weird back then.
@@marionlogan6069 that's the hypocrisy of the LGBT community. As a bi woman myself, there are so many things we say and do and no one bats an eye but if a straight person said those things it would be all over the internet. I've heard people from this community say things about straight people and even other members of the community that had my jaw on the floor and I am not a PC person at all. I think it's the hypocrisy of "we can do it but they can't" that drives me nuts ! 😖
I support’s the LGBTQ community’s right to choose whatever path they believe is right for them HOWEVER I do not support them forcing me to abide by their rules and desires within that path.
Imagine if you were a catholic but I was a Muslim… and you told me to eat pork despite knowing it was something I didn’t want to do out respect for my right to make my own choices. You then say I have to eat it or you create a public freak out simply because you believe you’re right and I should therefore support it because you said so. I would say while I respect that you chose your religion please respect that I have chosen mine and do not try to force me to do something I don’t want to do or else all this love, peace, my body my choice and stop gaslighting you preach is all for show!!!
Not ok!
what a weirdly prejudiced take on this 😭 he appropriated callling other people sister as a cultural thing as a phrase and detached it from gender and its original context. the problem was he didn’t see the problem with people being uncomfortable, because thats nobodys but the person whos being referred to’s choice
I’m a gay man and yet I hate when people call me “girl” just because I’m gay. I totally understand Ian being uncomfortable being called “sister”.
Agree. Being gay doesn't mean you are more feminine. It's a sexual/romantic identity, not a gender identity... so outdated. And honestly, being an ally doesn't mean burying your identity to cater to someone else.
Thank you so much for saying this! I so much appreciate people whom are LBGTQ+ speaking out on this. It’s so frustrating that so many don’t see the hypocrisy.
I have also seen people who try to correct "pronouns" of a person from the LBGTQ+ to say "they/them", when not all want to be refered to as that but by the gender they were born with. Some it's just their sexual preferences, some it's both, etc. Everyone can be different. In the end, we all have to be respectful, not assume and the best way to reffer to someones is always using their name.
Yeah people need to respect boundaries. It's similar to how some people are comfortable with reclaiming slurs in certain contexts (like my friends and I lovingly calling one another queer) but if someone says they're not ok with that you HAVE to respect it.
In the case of gay men being called girl, I can definitely see how for many that can be a trigger for memories of homophobic bullying/harassment, but even when that isn't the case it really comes down to respect for how others want to be treated and not continuing to do or say things that people have expressed discomfort over. (With the exception of people trying to shut down important conversations by saying they are uncomfortable, like getting upset when someone points out that they did or said something racist. But that's entirely different)
@@KraXoom i had no idea people do that. I call everyone dude (I mean. Its a goodburger thing lmao so 🤷) but I had no idea people call gay people girl... it makes no sense in my head
I strongly disagree with you on one point: Bullying his brother is NOT a small, trivial thing. Ignoring "don't call me sister" from 14 year old kids is NOT a small, trivial thing. It's predatory as hell, and it makes me sick that a stop wasn't put to him back then.
PS: the show Glamorous is a lot of fun. Miss Benny is an absolute delight. I think you'll like it :)
It's not trivial when millions of people are watching the videos, including his classmates! That's a whole WORLD of wrong!! 😢
I agree. My mom underestimated the amount of emotional damage my sister did to me. It took me years to overcome. My mom even admitted later on that she should have stepped in sooner.
Cannot understand why parents allowed this crap. Really hope Ian learned to stick up for himself.
I'm a person who uses all pronouns for myself and sometimes I mix up people's pronouns, but I can't imagine not correcting myself or still calling them the way they don't want me to. It's an arsehole move and I hate it. Poor Ian
I’m going to tell you the honest truth: we have to stop idolizing celebs. Part of the problem with these influencers is they’re wanting to be celebs SO badly for the attention. Ie, when you talked about how awesome zendaya is. We need to get to a point where we realize we don’t know celebs. They don’t know us. Ergo being obsessed with the idolatry is harming us.
Agreed. You can casually admire someone’s public persona from a distance, but you have to also acknowledge that the persona isn’t the person; it’s a performative approximation of that person.
It’s also fine to deeply admire a person’s achievements/work. But that admiration shouldn’t leak into the person’s private/personal life because they are still essentially strangers to you-and should remain as such.
Letting that admiration grow into obsessive idolization is inappropriate and unhealthy. It creates unrealistic expectations and can enable delusional thinking. And it’s not fair to either the admirer (fan) or the admired (celebrity).
Very well said. I think enjoying content ppl make from an editing standpoint, creative expression is one thing. But many of these influencer types don't actually have talent. They are idolized because their friends like them, they think they are attractive etc.
I completely agree
Bingo
@@Dingdongaccountant most influencers have zero talent and gain their following making fools of themselves because it’s so easy to make money. They follow these silly trends on social media and make milllions. When the tees fizzles out they are left talentless still and broke with no way to make money so they start acrílico crazy
As a trans man, his insistence on calling his brother “sister”-despite his brothers repeated corrections-is despicable. If I had seen that video when it came out I would have immediately known James is not a good person.
💯 I agree completely!
The last I heard his brother won't even speak to him.
same same. I *really* dislike gendered language aimed at me, and my husband really dislikes the wrong gender being aimed at him, so I know from both sides that it's just... socially awkward, uncomfortable, and illfitting *as well as* blatantly disrespectful. And like you could say "oh they're brothers, they're just playing", but nothing about Ian's tone, attitude, or body language implies he's kidding, enjoying it, or in on the joke. He's acting like he's the butt of it.
As someone who doesn't care about my own pronouns, I think other peoples wishes about their way of being addressed should be respected ALWAYS.
Brothers teasing is not an excuse to double down on Ians uncomfort and making him the joke of the video.
Also not taking into account, Ian was young and was probably still be in school with classmates who might take this opportunity tease him at every chance.
James is the same guy who implied he wasn't "100% gay" because hes found trans men attractive 🤢🤢🤢
the signs weren't missed. They were seen. They were ignored.
For the people making money off him, yes, they were willfully ignored. By the audience, not necessarily.
YEEEEEEESSSSSS!!!!!!!!! You said the quiet part out loud!!!
💯💯💯
@@abbywonder3825 💯 The industry ignored them. The internet saw it all happening.
They were so obvious but people in general are not very bright.
Misgendering a cisgender person is still misgendering and it's not freaking okay. Gender dysphoria is not a pleasant experience and cisgender people can absolutely get it too. Making his brother wear makeup, heels, and a dress when he was clearly uncomfortable with it was so gross. - Nonbinary transgender person
I can’t believe people think someone can say”no” and still have a good time.
Please stop calling me a cisgender… it’s derogatory
@@sammieg8641 ?
@@sammieg8641 If you don't identify as cisgender, why do you think they were referring to you?
yeah, Amanda Bynes has talked about that after she filmed one of her movies
"No" isn't funny, it isn't a joke, it isn't an invitation to argue. "No." is a complete sentence, a hard boundary, and a refusal to consent. That needs to be respected. Jen, you're absolutely right, this stuff with Ian should've been enough evidence of James's shitty behavior and personality. I never followed James Charles, I didn't know who he was until the fallout with Tati, but I am sickened by watching his antics here.
Exactly , I get If he was ATTEMPTING to use “sisters-“ as the way some people would use bro , or dude , in a sentence , but it wasn’t and once his brother said no, it should have been no . Instead . He continued. That isn’t even “miscommunication “ that’s ignoring clear boundaries
It's clear nasty, abominable, bully behavior.
The kind of thing that sadists, narcissist, sociopaths/psychopaths, & various other predators & devils perpetrate.
In my opinion.
Him interacting with his brother is so uncomfortable. I feel so bad for Ian.
Notice James referred to himself as “brother” in the clip of the first video with Ian. 😡
@sonjaimmonen6610 the worst part for me was the fact that he blackmailed his brother into filming with him. and he thought it was funny. imagine having a millionaire brother who will only fly you out to visit him if he can make content out of it. 🤢
Zendaya... the origin of James Charles... never would have seen / remembered that
Well i will remember now.Loved her!!!
Rightttt
I had no idea!
Still love her! As Jen said, how could she have known?! ❤
You missed the whole chunk of time when he was making the Dolan Twins SUPER uncomfortable and honestly I think he's the reason they stepped away
@@littlebair91 this is a series she’s going to make more
I doubt
Thisssss I was thinking about that, when Emma Chamberlain was involved as well. It was so uncomfortable to watch. Knew nothing about him at that point and got such a huge ick from him then.
Anyone else remember when he implied he wasnt "100% gay" because he has found trans men attractive? Good lord
Y’all might of missed it , I’ve always got the ick from this boy. To me he always seemed kinda like a snake salesman, just fake. Mk too.
Same, but I'm glad that it's being summerized
Yessssss same.
Yes!!!
Same! I never Followed him and the only Eason I know Him is from the controversies.
Reason
When Jen zoomed in on the yearbook photo, the evidence of him photoshopping his picture was clear. If you look at the lights on his eye, there is no ring light. You can clearly see two lights were used instead. Mind blown.
And if you look at the background of the photo, he is in the exact same position.
I had heard about that.
@SherryKraft the biggest give away was skin isn't smooth like that even with makeup pours don't disappear.
as a parent of 2 boys, one cis and one trans, this makes me so angry and sad for Ian. AGGRESSIVELY not respecting the pronouns or gendered titles of your own SIBLING is abhorrent. it's not cute. it's mean. and to do it to LITTLE teens.... jesus christ. you're right to make this video showing the signs that were missed. we need to keep our eyes and ears out for this shit at all times.
couldn't help but think that the reason why James thought the IT movie sucked 5 minutes in was because we're supposed to feel sad about the death of a little brother
Oooh
@@SirThinks2Much well when you have no empathy you wouldn't feel sad. That whole movie is supposed to attach itself to empathy and narcissists lack the ability to feel it.
the worst thing about this situation is that james perpetuates the myth of lgbt people being predators
@@ReemadreeMonzur he doesn’t perpetuate but he reinforced negative stereotypes giving anti-lgbtq people ammunition
anti lgbt people will always say that queer people are predators regardless of how many or what percent of queer people actually are though. the way any queer person acts, good or bad, will always be held against the whole community by people that intend to spread hate or misinformation
@@babyspider99no more than straight cis people
@@babyspider99 I agree with you. It can’t be ignored
He’s not the only person. Pretending that there are not predators from the community is manipulative, I would not trust somebody that guilts people into being blind to the dangers of every people.
I almost don’t want to watch this video because I despise the sight of the 3 Js, Hill, Star and Charles. Just ignorant, lying, bigoted and dangerous people.
But because it’s you Jen, I’m watching, commenting and liking.
Aww! Thanks, Sandra! If you feel like you need to dip out, no worries! Protect you!
Same here! I’m watching and commenting purely because of Jen. I just can’t stand those 3 Js anymore
Jen's a redeeming J though!
Who's J hill?
@@Frea_Jaclyn Hill, I presume.
I've seen a lot of "Deep Dives" into this guys story, but this is by far the best I've ever seen. I love that researching and sharing are a passion of yours Jen, it really shows in the in depth content you present, and the lengths you go to be so accurate in it all. 💜
@@nathanmartin8640 was gonna say this same thing!
Why do we call Hollywood actor's "celebrities" and "stars"?? Seriously why are they elevated so highly? They're normal people ACTING!
In the first video Ian still looks VERY young, to the point that he was still in school, & going home to everyone calling him ‘Sister Ian’ at school is exactly what he didn’t want. As an older brother he should have been thinking of ways to protect his brother and shield him from the many downsides of fame. Instead he chose to repeatedly exploit him for monetary gain. Withholding the trip from the whole family if he didn’t do what he wanted. That’s a lot of pressure to put on a teenage boy. James Charles is the definition of narcissistic and justifying his actions by saying, ‘well he got something from it too’. It’s sad.
@@themessindomestic I thought Ian moved in with James before he finished high school. Maybe he finished school in LA? I could be totally wrong. There is no shortage of stories out there.
@@themessindomestic well also.. the parents allowed it too.. the boy looks like he cant stand him and wishes he wasnt there
Another thing that makes this incredibly uncomfortable is how absolutely fake James is toward Ian... like the "my favorite person in the world's" and tight squeezing hugs. You can clearly see on Ian's face how he feels.
James was 18 or 19.
James and Jeffrey moved mostly to tiktok. The audience is younger and probably doesn't know any of this❤
And that's why they do it.
Bullseye.🎯
The same way James bullies the younger brother is how he treats all his victims.
I don't think James Charles ever thought he was going to do makeup I think he saw a market on CZcams that could be lucrative so he went with it... I think originally he wanted to be found as a singer like Justin Bieber... And his fall back was going to hair, hence the description talking about doing hair but then he saw the makeup craze
I hope I’m not the only one who’s suspicious of how often someone accuses James of something really big and after a few days they LOUDLY say that they didn’t mean it and it was all fabricated.
I mean……… in 2024, we are all familiar with what it looks like when influencers start trying to silence others behind the scenes. I highly doubt that every single one of them was lying.
I bet he has dirt
@@sadmermaid or money. Like his PR team bought that fluff piece of him in Paper magazine. I need magazines to stop slobbering all over influencer boots.
So I just checked and his mom is an model and an actress, and his dad is a contractor. That would mean just from parents (excluding extended family and mom's connections within the celebrity industry), he'd be at least upper middle class in wealth to begin with.
I understand JC has a team of lawyers ready to sue anyone back to the stone age for calling the little jerk out, about anything.
Born in the UK in the 70s. David Bowie, Adam ant, the new romantics, culture club, the entire 80s and punk culture. Boys wearing makeup is nothing new.
You're right about performance! I grew up loving Poison, Guns n Roses, and Motley Crue. All wore makeup. Men in the beauty industry are a different situation. The difference is Adam Ant wasn't a spokesperson for Maybelline or Revlon. David Bowie wasn't promoting Estee Lauder. They were wearing stage makeup for performance. Men in beauty in this case are wearing makeup for every day wear, challenging gender norms for cis men in daily life. That's what's different here.
EXACTLY
Yes you are right, although my comment was actually aimed at the parents having an issue. Although I understand the attitudes of most people at the time boys don't wear makeup ( certainly my parents era) I was thinking more along the lines with my generation and more specifically in UK as we are less conservative than the US that it's nothing we haven't already seen.
@@jenluvwhile what you say is true I would argue that it wasn’t just for stage, in the 80s in London, if you walked around Kensington market or Camden high street or other alternative areas of London there men walking around in makeup in broad daylight, it wasn’t necessarily completely socially accepted but it also wasn’t unheard of. Men definitely did wear makeup as an every day thing.
@@zoe_astra thank you Zoe, this is what I was trying to get to but obviously doing a bad job.
1. I might be getting older as I really love and appreciate it long form videos. I scroll pass a lot of reels. I don't like mind numbing videos and absolutely enjoy videos that activate my critical thinking.
2. Never liked James Charles and probably never will. But I am living for this series, can't wait to see Part 2 and etc.
Cancel James Charles? Nah, prosecute James Charles!
Those scenes with Ian made me so uncomfortable
@@jennavhuang same, i literally had to skip them because it felt so uncomfortable
😢😢😢
I wonder what Ian is like now
@@Aweirdmushroom96Ian is a model now.
@@shelbseroo Oh I would not have guessed! He seemed so uncomfortable in front of a camera and with makeup that I figured he’d want nothing to do with that but I guess it was just that James was pushing ALL the boundaries.
Tati 100% hit the nail on the head with Bye Sister and it’s such a shame she turned out to be a spineless coward and took it all back just to get back on his good side.
She didn’t do it to get back on his good side. She did it to extricate herself from the insanity. She has nothing to do with him now.
@@fiftyfeistyandfabulous7402 Nah, she def chicken out and blamed jeff the weirdo and shane dawson for and quote: Feeding her lies.
I think in part too there were legal issues that made her cower back. But who knows! 🤷🏼♀️
I 100% guarantee you both her and Jeffrey did it at that time because James had sicced his lawyers on them.
From what I recall, they all got pulled into a meeting at You Tube HQ with lawyers after Bye Sister, and then whatever happened there is when the walking back started. I wish I could have been a fly on that wall
I love how he thought the movie It made Stephen King rich…
I never trusted him.
No excuses for James but why did their Mom let James force his underage brother to be in a video that he wasn't paid for. I think the adults in the situation including Tati Westbrook need to take responsibility for themselves. It was obvious that James is immature and not a responsible adult. I wouldn't be putting up with this nonesense.
They let James do it when he was that age
I think it's weird that fully grown adults (Tati, et al) were besties with a child (James Charles) in the first place. The fact that he is so immature just makes it weirder. I wasn't trying to be friends with 17-19 year olds as soon as I hit 20. Make-up and having the same job isn't enough in common to justify it.
@@MarieBSleepinit was like a big sister thing. Not everyone is sexually driven to be a creep.
@@tammystiletto I don't think it was sisterly - not predatory either though- I think it was very parasitic & self-interested, I think she wanted to attach herself to him because he was on such a rise, she protested so much about the relationship not being transactional then spat & fumed over all the stuff she did for him without getting 'enough' back, transactional in a nutshell
@@candycigarette7202 James did Tati’s makeup for her wedding in Hawaii. If that’s not the definition of ‘trust,’ I don’t know what is.
Tati’s channel was leaps and bounds ahead of where James was when she began mentoring him - so the claim that she was leveraging his nascent stardom to her advantage is quite silly.
I also find her claim to be completely rational - namely that she was hurt by what she interpreted as James’ indifferent to backstabbing behavior, and repulsed by what she learned of James’ predatory actions towards young males.
I’m 59 though, and understand having an urge to nurture younger individuals who may be up-and-coming. This may have been more pronounced in Tati’s case as she is childless.
James Charles is like the cockroach of youtube. Somehow, still here and doing good...
Or, just a cockroach, period.
OMG, I truly just realized Ian was soo uncomfortable, I thought he was just playing a role, acting like he didn’t wanna be there yet he was in so many videos with JC… it all makes sense now!
Gosh, watching Ian being bullied in mass scale was physically painful. I'm glad Ian set boundaries on this eventually.
Wow, wow, wow.... as an educator, this is a prime example of why teenagers should not be on social media. Their brains are not fully developed, so they do not understand consequences of bad behavior. They really do not have the ability to handle themselves in such high profile situations. Where were his parents? I am shocked at how he treated his brother....I think money was definitely the motivation for his brother, but James took it way too far.
Reread that brain study again, it's a common misconception.
Teens can be on social media, but should have parental oversight. Their parents not stepping in is awful. My 14-year-old is on social media, and if there’s something her dad and I don’t want, we’ll tell her why, and she’ll defer to us since we discuss it. She is aware that she is still learning and that her brain still developing doesn’t mean she’s stupid for what she doesn’t understand yet. James’s and Ian’s parents dropped the ball on parenting once their older son started making money.
@@NoelleTakestheSky to me, as a mum, it looks like the parents dropped the ball far earlier on than that. I could be wrong of course, but it feels like James’ behaviour stems from not being told “no!” often enough throughout his childhood.
Parents used his psychopathy traits to grab a lot of cash.
@@yourfuturewaifu9061yeah it’s somewhat a misconception but it is 100% true that children, teens, and young adults struggle to think into the future, and struggle to predict the consequences of their actions. This along with worse impulse control can lead to some less than desirable behaviors. It is a widely accepted concept in the medical field
I just hate the fact he literally misgenders his brother omggggg PLEASE STOP i was so uncomfortable myself and im not even the one being misgendered, he looked so uncomfortable im so sorry...
I feel like no one is speaking about this much but honestly, it bothera me a lottttt 😭 ALSO PLEASE THE FACT HE FORCED HIM TO GO OUT IN PUBLIC, NO ONE SHOULD FORCE SKMEONE TO DO SOMETHING THEY DONT FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, ESPECIALLY IN PUBLIC 💀
I agree that Ian was treated horribly on camera and probably worse off camera, but I don't think it was misgendering in James' head (who knows maybe it was tho)(also not trying to defend that pos, I just don't think it was misgendering) since he calls everyone a sister, it's not gendered term in his channel's jargon, more like a petname for viewers and close people. That said since his little brother felt uncomfortable it's frustrating he didn't stop.
I don’t like James at all, but he was misgendering him is a big reach. His brother isn’t trans, most cis people do not really care if someone calls them, girl or sister, because it’s just the way they talk.
@@skylarpaul1248 While I agree and personally wouldnt care that much if my sister called me "brother" as a joke, Ian clearly was uncomfortable with it and as the older sibling (or just sibling in general) James should've dropped the "sister" after the second time he was corrected. At least that's what my sister would do because she cares about my comfort and doesnt have a narcissism flea in her ear telling her she needs to be right and double down in every single scenario.
@@eva1585 I could see where you could see that, but I’m pretty sure that was a shtick they did on purpose.
Just like James did with the Dolan twins, it was like a joke
@@skylarpaul1248 it's not a joke if it makes one of the people uncomfortable
Making James the face of Covergirl is so insulting to women.
I hate how people still collab with him it grosses me out
He humiliated his brother. He did it on purpose. For him to go on to model with make up etc it was james
When James Charles blamed Joe Biden for that Roe vs Wade is gone .. I was like , go back to school James !! Also , you wanna hurt James the most? Don´t buy his makeup , don´t listen to his " music " and don´t watch his youtube/tiktok .. Hurt him where it hurts the most , the money !!
I noticed his CZcams is still going bananas he gets a million views on every video
@@christiecruzxo2841 Maybe to us but for him it´s not good .. He went from 10-20-30 million views per video to 1 .. so it´s a BIG drop in numbers for him !!
@@christiecruzxo2841I know right!!???!! Like are there that many naive delusional people out there?? Or are there alot of impressionable kids out there unaware of his past????
It's so disappointing to see people like this who not deserve the success get it, when there is so many great, authentic content creators (like you Jen & also myself) who never get recognition because we don't have drama or shady tactics to draw in followers.
Agreed about James, and for sure that Mikayla falls under that umbrella as well! Neither of them are a good person deserving of fame and influence.
At the time, the world needed a boy with makeup to put in the limelight, and he was in the right place at the right time. He was 1 out of hundreds of talented boys like him. Probably many more talented with less of an ego than James. I never liked him in the beginning, and it hasn't changed. My opinion
Omg poor Ian….its so clear he doesn’t want to be doing it. James just disrespecting that he’s not okay with the being called “sister.”
gender dysphoria is a horrible thing, even for cis people, james’ insistence on calling ian sister and making him more feminine when he very clearly didn’t want to is disgusting.
Oh no... The day has come. We always knew something was weird between him and Ian, and it got stranger when Jeffree made that horrible tweet about "the real reason" Ian moved to NYC. I mean, JS is awful, but I'm not sure he's lying. Even some people who dislike Jeffree said the voicemail is indeed real and heartbreaking.
I always heard the voicemail was of one of the Dolan twins.
Poor poor Ian. That poor kid. He looked so uncomfortable, and it was clear that he did not want to be called sister. And that his brother posted it online for his many followers. How much bullying did this poor kid receive because of this? All for internet marketing?
It's so frustrating to see how he insisted on calling people sisters when they didn't want to be, ignoring their identity and forcing them to be lumped into his community whether they wanted to be part of it or not. It's very disrespectful and self-centered. Like some others have said, I always got off vibes from him and so I never followed him closely, so its pretty fascinating seeing it all laid out like this. Looking forward to the next part(s)!
The worst part about this is, he was called out so so long ago and the people who called him out were trounced. Careers were ruined, all over this immature individual. Granted, things were done in a way that wasn’t the best.
I just have to say your videos are so well done. I couldn’t care less about James Charles, but you’ve drawn me right in 😂. My CZcams tastes have changed lately (I watch a lot more book content now), but you’re one of the only make up YTers I still watch!
Just started the video but wanted to thank you for not always assuming that your audience knows every single thing about the US! Explaining about the map and the politician were really nice moments.
Just started this video and saw your comment. I also have to express my gratitude for this. Usually it's assumed everyone knows the whole US if not lives there. Thank you❤ -a Finnish fan 🇫🇮
@@currybread5298 right? I love creators that don’t act like the US is the “standard” and we’re just weird for not knowing every little thing about them!
Even as an American I wouldn’t have understood those! I’m terrible with geography LMAO. Plus, I’m only 19 and was like 7 when Obama was running for his second term, I definitely wasn’t paying attention to politics 💀
Him calling Africa a country in his apology lol. He fucked up and didnt bother to educate himself.
And what is sad is people excused it anyway 🤦🏼♀️
He's not very intelligent just manipulative.
To be fair, far too many people frequently make that mistake. That doesn’t excuse him, but it’s a common fopaux.
There’s no way to know with certainty if this was…
a genuine mistake made of ignorance (he honestly thought Africa was a country),
a slight guised as ignorance (purposefully misspoke knowing it was offensive but is using ignorance as a scapegoat),
or simply a Freudian Slip (he accidentally said “country” when he actually meant “continent”).
I could excuse a mistake like ignorance of country versus continent (I bet a lot of students today don’t know the difference), but cannot excuse predatory behavior.❤
@@MiraBoo faux pas*
When even Jeffree Starr says he should be in prison you know it’s bad.
34:13 the fact that he called Africa a country in his apology is how I know he wrote it himself 💀
I followed James for a while. The red flag I look back on was a video he did with someone, I’ve forgotten who, he was whining about his love life and how he couldn’t find anyone to date. He said the problem was he was only interested in straight guys. The other person in the video said well that’s your problem, and James just laughed it off. This was years ago, I might be slightly misremembering, but that’s about what happened. I thought it was weird at the time, but I never thought it was what we have since heard.
Wasnt it Shane and Ryland? That clip feels familiar and I wanna remember it was the video of them doing makeup on one side each on James' face.
why would you be interested in straight men if you're a gay man? he aint right in the head
It was Ryland Adam’s, Shane Dawson’s partner
@@Amanda-qz3zh Yeah, that’s right. I stopped following him not long after that. I liked makeup videos, but the more his videos became about his personality, the more I wasn’t interested.
I think him and Nikita had a similar video too
Misgendering ANYONE is just rude.
Honestly, I think it is quite possible Ian didn't get paid for the videos. James being a family member could have easily put a lot of pressure on Ian to be in videos.
James attacking Biden for Roe v Wade is sick.
Idgaf about Biden , but James not understanding the “Supreme Court “ is hilarious and really shows how unaware he is of the real world.
that sarah palin impression was actually kinda funny lolol
Ngl it did get a good chuckle out of me 😂
I giggled too 😂
Lol, yeah, I was like, "Dang, that's actually a decent impression."
It made me kinda sad to see the innocence in him, while knowing who that small child became. Like not nostalgia but a similar feeling
@@chloecamille5390 i see what you mean
Great job!! Small thing, it is Maddie not Maggie lol. Can’t wait for episode 2
When I clicked this video I didn't think I'd be saying "ah, dammit Zendaya!" twice in 20 minutes. 🤣
Those videos with Ian made me feel uncomfortable. I didn’t think I could dislike James more but I was wrong.
me too!|
Not only do all James Charles "apologies" feel disingenuous and lacking accountability; but they so often miss the point entirely.
James no one cared about your opinions on IT. They were pointing out that it's rude to be constantly on your phone in a movie theater and it's a little ignorant to criticize a movie when you're clearly paying more attention to your phone 🙄
James Charles has always given me the ick and Tati Westbrook´s video she did about him a few years ago made it all the more clear.. Not that I even liked Tati at that point because of things she's said in a video she did a bit before, but James Charles has always given me the ick...
How tf hasn’t he been cancelled permanently already? He’s BEEN a predator and menace for years
Just finished my shift in the ED…going back again tonight at 7 pm, but am watching this till the end!!!😅
Just survived the night of July 4th in ICU… I need this to hopefully beat my brain to sleep
Thank you for what you do.
Me too!
What is the ED? So curious for some reason. It's it super obvious? Am I being a dumb azz?
@@bettawitch4606 emergency department
Tati was telling the truth & when she recanted I lost all respect. I don’t think he’s changed-I just think he’s more careful. The fact he still has a career is mind blowing.
@@Nosillamp tbh I don’t think she really cared about his behavior until it came to him not selling her products which is sick 🤢
The fact he’s not in prison is mind blowing-because if it was anyone else, they would be in prison.
@@greeneyedsoutherngirl6468 a thousand percent.
“Patiently” waiting for parts 2, 3, 4, 5…1,000 😂
Jen, I need part 2 ! I didn't think I would get this invested
First red flag was when his high school yearbook photo was exposed to be a lie
Holy shit, the videos with Ian are awful 😬 It genuinely looks like he’s fighting his fight or flight response.
Like jfc James, JUST STOP OVERSTEPPING HIS BOUNDARIES (and then setting the boundary line on fire).
please…not his singing😭
Damn it Zendaya!! 😂🤦♀️🤦♀️ How did he go from a cute and awkward kid to such an allegedly nasty and creepy person?! 💔 his brother looks so uncomfortable bless him 💔
Adding “I rebuke your tomfoolery!” to my lexicon
I will give Thomas credit where credit was due. They were SO good at one liners like that!
@@jenluvit’s going in my vocab with Biden’s “malarkey” 😂
@@1015SaturdayNightpeople in the south have said malarkey for years upon years upon years :) LOL trust me, Biden didn’t coin that term. 🥰 I hope you know I’m in no way being rude, just saying that term has been around a very, very long time :) 🩷
@@greeneyedsoutherngirl6468 I don't think they're saying Biden came up with malarkey, just that they heard it from Biden first.
OMG the way you started this off with Tati... That's epic and befitting at the same time in many uncomfortable ways.
I wanna know where she got that clip from. I don’t think the „Bye Sister“ is available for stream anymore.
@@freddyem2522 there’s reuploads on youtube! ^^
I cannot wait to see the other parts in this series! I actually worked at the makeup counter at Dillards in 2019 when lipstick gate and bye sister happened and it was definitely a HUGE moment for beauty and CZcams. I had never liked James for reasons I couldn't put into words and I felt validated and then, not soon after, redacted that validation when more information came out about him. Of course, hindsight is 20/20 and we all know now what kind of person he is (even though he still has a platform and refuses to leave the internet). I love that you are analyzing situations like this so that we can make informed decisions in the future about who we choose to support and associate ourselves with as consumers!
Very analytical, organized, and still interesting and compelling! Great job so far and about to watch part 2 ❤
I also feel like sometimes with demanding family members, it's easier to give in than to continuously argue with them and the video clips with Ian and James really make James seem like that kind of demanding person
Parents could possibly be adding pressure behind the scenes aswell
This is actually crazy… I had heard about bad things but it’s really wild how deep it goes. thank you so much Jen for bringing to light all of these things!! Also your makeup is beautiful 🤩
Jen, thanks for this video, I look forward to the next ones! Tati should have never spent one second with that kid.....
Very well done, Jen. Am looking forward to part 2.
An hour long behind the controversy?!? And it's only part 1?!?!? Jen, you spoil us ❤
Can’t wait for the Tati part
He is from my area and I know people who have said that even before all of the fame and controversy, he was the same person. They said this at the beginning of his popularity.
Why was he beating Maddie’s face like that? Here’s a tip! If you have to be that harsh while using a product? The products aren’t working and you’re probably not that good. I don’t go that hard on my own face. With other people, you go lightly and build up the products because you don’t know what their experiences are.
You brought up a great point: a lot of parents only accept their queer children if they get famous and rich. I see this often, sadly.
But I didn't think this was the case for James... Didn't he say multiple times that his mother bought him makeup and his dad constructed his studio, denying they ever rejected him?
25min in, i just need to say, younger james charles' eyebrows is a CRIME💀
fr they be looking like 2 chocolate bars on his face with how rectangular they are ( if someone has eyebrows like this thats fine)
And the worst of it is that everyone loved them back then. 2016 was a wild time
Yeah, I think the ridiculous brows and the baseball caps were easily the two biggest factors in ruining his makeup looks
Im really glad that you mentioned that James' parents not accepting him wearing makeup until it was making him money was really unkind of them, and may well have played a role in influencing how he went on to see his self worth as being related to how famous and how much money he made. I clocked that immediately when you first said his parents acted like that, and I was really glad to see you noticed it as well and brought it to our attention. The role of a parent is HUGE, we have to be so thoughtful and aware of how our behaviour will be interpreted and mimicked by our children, its the biggest responsibility in the world!
Please 🙄. There is nothing wrong with the parents not wanting there young ones to wear a cake of makeup. For work its understandable and special occasions ; but definitely not for daily use.
I can’t believe that James Charles has maintained a massive social media platform. It’s very disappointing.
Did anyone tell James he completely missed the entire secondary plot behind "IT"? Him not getting it tells me that he hasn't read a single King book, nor knows enough about his writing style to understand the concept behind the BOOK.
Akso, King sells the rights to the stories in his books to sell to directors/screen writers to make movie adaptations of his books. Stephen King is a book author, NOT a movie director, screen writer, or what have you. He sells the ability to those who do make movies so they can make their vision of King's books into a movie format. King's money comes from books, that is literally his job - write stories. Sure, he has a cameo in almost all of the movie adaptations from his books, but the creative process of movie making is left up to directors, screen writers, etc. This is easily verifiable information readily available via interviews that King himself has done throughout the years.
Also, rule #1 of theater etiquette says to put your phone on silent and away, there's literally a bit on the screen that says this before the movie starts. Most movie theater workers are trained to kick out anyone on their phone. The fact that he wasn't kicked out, and was on his phone throughout the movie would have pissed me off to no end if I were to have seen him do this. I am an AVID King fan, have read his books, have seen a lot of the movie adaptations, and is the only author I consistently read. IT in its full glory is terrifying from the BOOK that King wrote. Neither of the movies that King sells the rights for CHEAP on (and gets no income from profits for) are scary to this horror fan.
I'm glad I didn't watch this guy other than his consistent downfalls by other channels.
Also it’s Maddie Ziegler.. not Maggie, loving this series already Jen!
The makeup, the hair, the outfit, simply stunning!
Thank you so much!!
his scripted It apology was so corny 💀
LMAO i nearly jumped when you said "I'm only singing because Emilie told me to" i'm like WHO ME???
I have never had an issue with people networking and making connections for professional purposes. My issues are not respecting boundaries, doubling down on that stance, and well the other bigger stuff that just takes this to the next level. When he forced or pressured someone to change their story, or publicly attacked someone because they didn’t reciprocate affection- I find that incredibly disturbing. I stopped following and/or listening to anything he posted after that. I couldn’t support that behavior. Since then his behavior has just gotten worse and includes minors. How does he still have a following?
I'd like to know why their mother didn't step in and stop James from taking advantage of his younger brother.
$
I'm assuming for the same reason she raised someone as morally bankrupt as him.
Then I think more needs to be said about this! Because up till the end, we're talking about a minor. Jen was a teacher but fails to see how his parents allowed him to act this way. Now, once he gets older and he ignores ppl trying to help him understand why he's upsetting and he doesn't listen, that's an adult being a p.o.s. Then, it's on him. But this video was just wild to watch a grown woman shit on a minor.
@@mahelaniarektbb what do you mean a grown woman shit on a minor James Charles isn’t a minor he’s 25 years old right now.
I was wondering how in the world you would cover it all in an hour.! Didn’t see the “part 1” at first. Looking forward to part 2.!!
The fact he still has a huge following even after all this coming out about him
I had to stop the video to comment: the part with poor Ian, so absolutely CRINGE. As a mother seeing this I would intervene! He's clearly not comfortable with being there... I was never a fan or follower of this creep, so never atcually got deep viewing of his videos.