Jim Cornette on The Modern Hysterical Smart Fans
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- From Episode 323 of the Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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The "neoconservative" part of that article was the greatest thing ever written. CM Punk is now responsible for invading Iraq and helping usher through the Patriot Act. A true dyed in the wool neocon that would make Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz proud.
Punk bombed more people than Bush, Bush Jr, Clinton, Biden, Trump and Obama. He has some amount blood on his hands.
Yeah, when CM Punk held the "TRANS RIGHTS" sign, he thought it meant TRANS RIGHT-WINGERS. That's gotta be it!!
@warren_r Neo-con just means pro war etc. Many on the "left" and right are neoconservative. Obama, Clinton etc are neoconservative but socially Liberal.
Tons of neocons support “trans rights”.
Huh, I thought Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior ended our problems in the Middle East during Summerslam 91.
I think the problem with the smart fans outside of the WWE bubble is that they've genuinely convinced themselves that they're are on some higher plain of society Lol
The amount of arrogance displayed by the nerd marks who proudly boast they watch Multiple companies is hilariously annoying.
It's even worse. There are groups and sub groups and so on. None of them agree on anything. Two things are true, though. There are 600,000 thousand people who will watch Dynamite no matter what, and every other group hates AEW fans. Lol!
the problem is they dont get laid and are unemployed
As Junior Soprano would say, "Some people are so behind in the race they think they're actually leading."
It's particularly hilarious because of the Bucks, TK and Jericho all being actual right wingers who probably actually hate the liberal "woke" fans.
While looking like whales and smelling like skunks. True gentlemen of modern society
AEW fans actually think they’re at war
They are, it’s just a mental war with themselves! They have convinced themselves, that everyone except Tony Khan and the people he surrounds himself with is the issue with AEW.
I know Jesse, the author of this article Brian read. He wrote several brain-dead pieces for other websites, so much so that he was kicked off those ones because he never wrote news articles, he treats them like his little diary about how he hates WWE lmao he's basically the epitome of the artwork for this video
This was something that I was curious about. I know I've heard this name come up in reference to other "wtf is this article" kind of pieces. Repeat offenders like this need some kind of therapy. Writing news through the lenses of personal feelings rarely goes well and never passes off to the reader. Their should be a clearer process in marking articles like this as what they are, Opinion Editorial.
Is he the one who hates every Latino wrestler?
The irony: saying Punk and Cornette are neo-conservatives because they don't like the Bucks when the Bucks are evangelicals who are legitimate neo-conservatives.
I don't even think that's irony at that point. I think you just say it's stupid. Lol! They can't determine someone's views because they don't like worthless wrestlers.
You nailed it.
To be fair to the Bucks. I don't know anything about their US foreign policy ideas. I can't stand them but I've never heard them being warmongers.
@@artvandelayRFC probably because they are smart enough blending their real-life politics would affect their brand aside from The "Good Christian Boys from Rancho Cucamonga".
@sigmablock Oh, they're very unlikeable and fake. I was just saying some people get confused, neoconservative isn't about parties, it's about foreign policy. Sadly, all US Presidents in my lifetime have been neocons.
AEW showed its true colors when fans turned on Cody.
Cody talked himself into a bad spot. I wouldn't turn on him but he did some questionable things.
To be fair, Cody was acting full of himself, set up stupid feuds, and made a lot of people sick of him. He was so unlikable those last few months. He was a babyface getting booed. It was not enjoyable as a fan who saw his journey in WWE and his growth after he left. At least he's in a good spot now.
@@willisskull2676spot on. He needed someone to reign him in.
Cody booked himself into that mess back then. Switching to WWE was the wisest move and he became a main event player for real. Ceiling a lot higher than being in AEW.
@@Fencelliskcan you please name those questionable things?
Tony destroyed AEW. And the bucks, Kenny, hangman, and Perry helped.
And Jericho and Moxley and Excalibur and Cutlet and the entire women's division and...
Shad should never have gave Tony money
@@patrickdepew4976blame Omega, he’s the one in charge of the women’s division
@@IMGBrk96 Indeed. I can't believe I forgot to list him. I guess I thought his name was mentioned along with the Bucks and Hangman.
I’ll remind you that AEW’s original event had a battle royale where one of the participants had no legs. Nobody killed AEW; it was trash from day one.
"External innocence"
These are grown men
It talks about rejecting the Elite like it’s rejecting Civil Rights.😂
I have a dream that one day a man will not be judged by the colour of his skin but by the quality of his wrestling television.
Lord, these people are reaching to a point where they're gonna start calling other people racists and all that crap for not liking the Elite and AEW
They've been literally doing that since Day 1@@protostnl6369
Something tells me that Harley isn't the least worried what people think of him. He certainly didn't while he was around.😂🤣😂😏🎤🤼♂️B.W.
@@madbrowniac7871 I C Wat U Did There
I had a feeling that AEW's downfall would still be blamed on Punk after he left
The biggest problem isn’t necessarily the high flying moves, it’s the amount of them and the choreography all the time. It exposes the business and basically validates the “wrestling isn’t real” trope.
You got it, Leemillion. On the nose of the head of the nail.
Exactly. Look at Rey Mysterio or Jeff Hardy in their prime and how quickly they took to set up their spots
Them taking so long to set up a move, the synchronization, no selling, the overuse of blood, kicking out of every finisher, no psychology. Tony may come up with stupid match ending, but the rest is all them.
@@justoneguy2487 Look at Machon Man's flying elbow, and how good it looked.
Exactly. There's nothing inherently wrong with high flying moves when done in moderation and when it the match calls for it. The slow setup of these spots takes you out of the moment. Tower of Doom spot with 4+ wrestlers is overdone and takes way to long to setup. Tower of Doom with three wrestlers is fine.
AEW is in the toilet. It was never and will never be competition to WWE. Face it, AEW marks. Truth
When "neo-conservative" came up, Jim immediately thought A.I. wrote it.
Artificial lack of intelligence
The number of supposed smart fans who think CM Punk is somehow a conservative while ignoring Jericho and the Bucks’ actual right-wing views is alarmingly high.
Phil has always been a far left woke guy. Jim thinks everyone he doesn't like is a Trump supporter.
The wrestling community tends to senselessly demonise conservatism and ties it to wrestlers they don't like for some reason
AJ Styles did flips. But he also can do great promos, and is an intriguing character/persona. He has been booked good too. Most of the time
It’s not about flips/gymnastics
Most these guys are just boring and not interesting at all
Aj always laid his shit in never looked phony the x division from 2002- 2006 was incredible
Aj knows how to tell a story and understands ring psychology.. he never was just a high spot monkey..
That's the difference.. he did stuff, but only when it made sense and not nearly as often..
The "flippy" style people use now l has no yhought put into it.. its jjst high spot after high spot after high spot.. they don't know how to actually "wrestle"
Aj isnt the best promo , but his matches are great . And most importantly the dude has charisma and you can get behind him .
Just saw AJ Styles' match on Smackdown against Solo, iirc. Not a lot of flippy stuff, and I liked it. Everything in moderation.
Aj had a great feud with cena from 2016-17 prob some of cenas best ever matches certainly not a floppy guy
Seems like a lot of people weren't given the "It's okay when other people don't like what you like" talk from their parents.
AEW has literally combined the indie and Japanese wrestling fans, and god both are crazy. Dave Meltzer is the perfect example.
"LiTeRaLLy..."
AEW has a strange wanderlust for Japanese style wrestling. Even the announcers make references to Japanese wrestling. Breaking News; Japanese wrestling sells to a small, niche crowd of the viewing consumers in this country.
@@sdmbassist breaking news: idiots still not grasping what the term 'alternative' means
My impression has been that they're almost always the same anyway, except for some that are pretty exclusive to Japan
No one in Japan watches AEW
Jim Cornette is still going strong all these decades later!
Tell me about it... I was still laughing of Twas the night before wrestling... When Corny gave Jim Herd a bouquet of black flowers. In 1988.
From time to time, I like to get abit of Cornette nostalgia. The WWF vignettes in 97’ was where I first got introduced the mind that is Mr Jim Cornette. Little did I know that nearly 30 years later, I would still be down the same rabbit hole.😊
He's done f*ck all since NWA canned him
Yep 300k 50+ yo jimcels, everyone else laughs at you.
Modern smarks are why major wrestling companies should never do the following:
1. Cowtow to the PC police. The smarks don't actually pay to see shows, nor do they buy the PPVs, they just parrot Meltzer's BS.
2. Never sign indie darlings. They never get over, and they don't draw in the US.
I wish people would just adopt the attitude of "as long as you're not hurting anyone, do whatever the fuck you want, it ain't none of my business", that's as PC as anyone needs to be imo
💯
These 22 year old, fresh out of college, wannabe writers really like putting a political spin on everything they encounter despite knowing nothing about politics. They can’t help themselves.
It's intriguing like mysticism
it's like they have a political thesaurus on them at all times so they can thrown in a bunch of political buzzword nonsense.
@@megsley exactly. They have access to the words the but not the meanings. Which is why he thought that simply slapping “neo” onto a political term would simply “update” its meaning. He didn’t fathom that it would change the definition of the word entirely
Matt and Nick missed their opportunity. They really should have come up with "The Young Bucks Appreciation Society" before Chris Jericho.
Wrestling fans on Twitter are part of what’s wrong with wrestling today. I blame the dirtsheets for that like Dave Meltzer and Sean Ross Sap.
I remember when one of the most divisive wrestling arguments was “Lita or Torrie”?
By the way didn’t the Bucks write a book called“Killing The Business”? Now their fans are mad that they killed their own business? Wow.
P.S. Torrie
Prior to that it was who was more over between The Rock and Austin. These are good things to argue about. Lol! Now it's not even an argument on who killed AEW. Tony Khan.
@Fencellisk My junior high class was divided right down the line between Rock and Austin.
Scary to think about it... Corny and Sean Oliver just had the Kayfabe commentary replay of Corny and the Midnights' last days with with WCW... From this, there are way too many parallels
Your not wrong except on one thing it's Lita my friend
@@mriddley I would go with that. I hate to say it but Torrie was underrated.
AEW having Matt Hardy take a bump off a scissor lift onto concrete and nearly crack his skull open on camera, and allowing him to continue the match is what "stole AEW's external innocence" for me.
That was 4 years ago. You don’t think the BS after that didn’t do any damage?
@user-on9ie2lm1y that's my point. The promotion had lost any shred of "hope" it gave me as a wrestling fan long before signing Punk was even a glimmer in Tony's bush baby eye.
@@NathanGuffey-k3tthe bs did do damage. Your roster spreading rumors about guy getting someone off tv, an immature child mad because he couldn’t use real glass, the owner having child like meltdowns on twitter, at 50+ wrestler drunk tweeting about shit he didn’t see. Yes, all of that has also done damage!
@@elite_artist351 totally agree
I’ve said it before. A large percentage of wrestling fans are the reason it’s not as popular as it was. They have got the worst case of main character syndrome of any industry.
Unpopular opinion: I hated the YES movement. It felt way too mark-ish for me.
its because of the internet. unfortunately, everyone having access to information didn't lead to more intelligence it lead to more douchebags screeching behind their phone screens
Eh it lead to both
0:27 If the guy listened to those other pundits, he would be better informed. Look at Cody in WWE compared to AEW, It's night and day. Then look at poor Edge in AEW, that hype train died fast. Tony killed that angle by having some skinny jobber's mum hit Edge with the (soon to be) CZcams streaming title.
According to AEW fans is actually the hottest story going. 🤣 They're so supportive, she just gave the worst promo of the year and they're all like "it wasn't that bad!" They are so in denial.
@@Fencellisk Tony ordered the Attitude era from Wish.
@artvandelayRFC LMAO 🤣
That just stinks of Bitcharoos booking designed to bury the angle and Edge and Christian.
It's funny how they can't just accept the wrestling is no good and the show is bad.
They will blame anyone but Khan. He can do no wrong in the eyes of the aew fanboys
@@MrJjburgess11Accountability is Tony’s kryptonite
In a way I'm glad the article was written. Because it validates what a lot of people have thought, which is they hated Punk from the beginning because they never thought he fit into AEW. To them the Bucks really are just some "good Christian boys making some noise". And in comes this outspoken, fuck authority, atheist to mess everything up. A lot of people thought this was what was going on and an article like this validates it. They REALLY ARE THAT CRAZY.
💯💯💯💯
No it has nothing to do with that...
They wanted to feel apart of something, like they matter. So in their mind, AEW is THEIR company. WWE is the machine, the popular kid at school.
They spent their whole lives being the outcasts..then the outcasts grew up and started their own Fed.
If they got laid regulary or even once, guarantee they wouldn't give a fuck lol
@@nickbrown5878 I was an outcast and lemme tell ya, I hate shit like this article, and outside a couple wrestlers, I ain't none too fond of AEW either
@@thatonebritishidiot3037different types of outcast you’re aware of how you were they probably aren’t
This! All the people writing and typing stuff like this article, are exposing that they are in fact fucking crazy.
I can’t wait to hear Jim tear apart Jericho after his Stephen p New tweet lol. God Jericho can’t handle not being the center of attention even at 65 years old.
“External innocence” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Only idiot trash spams stupid shitty emojis.
Jim was spot on about the AI-sounding writing.
"Punk replaced optimism with drama"
Ask Cody why he left. Do it.
To Cody's credit, he is unwilling to get any of this shit on him. He refuses to talk about it, and it only helps him.
Didn't the boss with no balls have an employee fire Punk?
Yeah. He stressed out poor Bryan Danielson.
The American Scapegoat 😂
@@barrymccockiner773😂
@@barrymccockiner773😂😂
Assuming he had any to begin with. 🤔
AEW treats all of their wrestlers like they're the ultimate warrior. Except the difference is the ultimate warrior could draw.
If not liking the bucks or bad wrestling makes me a "neo conservative" well shit, I better start practicing my goose-steppin
Imperium can always use new members.
Hate the bucks
Hate the vaccine
Hate taxes
Where this going?
You can join Imperium with the name Richtofen after you mastered it.
The people who did the goose step were leftist though.....
You mean like goosestepping to get your jab or goosestepping to the car dealer to get an EV cuz gubment says so?
Our entire government is filled with fascists, both Right and Left. That is reality.
Mass Hypnosis is the only constant in the AEW faithful.
Actually it’s mass hysteria. Because their matches might be considered human sacrifices.
😂😂😂
So...AEW was the worker's paradise and Punk tried to introduce capitalism?
Punk is exactly like these goofs. The only difference is that he found out real fast. That's not how you make money in this business.
Punk said some garbage to Vince years ago about how if he listened to him and IWC fanboys; he'd be a billionaire instead of a millionaire. Not only is Vince a billionaire without listening to these clowns, Punk was stabbed by the blade he sharpened and had to crawl back to the successful business that is WWE.
@@anonymousbo0318 - From all accounts, Punk was having a very comfortable retirement and AEW convinced him to come out of it. And seeing all the gate draws, ratings, and merch moved that Punk brought AEW, the WWE pounced on him - even with their history - the moment he came available. I hardly think this is a, "Punk screwed up and now has to eat crow & beg WWE for work" kind of situation.
I ended up checking Jesse Collins twitter, and poor bloke got cooked on his tweet where he shared this article. No kidding, not a single user agreed with the guy. So it's not even AEW fans or smart marks, it is very small fringe fans who blindly worship Dave Meltzer who are most anti-punk. And if AEW ends up losing WBD tv slot, it'll be ugly on Twitter.
Funny thing, Jesse collins is one of those who votes for WON hall of fame, and he voted for Moxley and Bucks this year and he boasted about it on his twitter. Tells you all about him
I'm sure they look like David Bixenspan and Conrad from Bischoff's podcast.
Connie The Hutt you mean?
From the planet bluechew
Well, at least we know Conrad has had relationships with women.
"OK, Boomer," says fewer and fewer folks in light of how things have shaped up.
From the moment they branded themselves as being all inclusive, I knew this would be the bunch they'd attract. That's not the issue but, those're the bunch who's identity lie within everything but themselves -- tribal and unable to stand criticism.
Exactly. There's people who like wrestling because they're wrestling fans, then there's the people whose entire identity is based on being a distinct group of "Wrestling Fans"
Thank you, well said.
Anyone who truly knows either Punk or Corny knows they're the exact opposite of anything close to conservatism 😂😂😂😂
Socialmedia ruined the internet and fandom.
No heels or babyfaces, no holds or classic wrestling moves, no authority or rules, no story or build up, and no common sense or logic, you get 5 stars and booker of the year. Nice job Dave.
Don’t forget about the kendo sticks, thumbtacks, Hepatitis Moxley, real glass, choke holds, and crying rivers
If anyone thinks aew is in a good spot then they’re delusional
You mean you aren’t excited for the finals of the continental classic and the reveal of the devil? 😂
When MJF bolts to WWE, they're toast.
@@rofbagging9749 oh im excited alright 😂
idk what show you're watching my friend but they're on the best run they've had in a long time and things are going great
@dreasdwolfox3435 Tony is that you? 👀🤣
CM Punk is very likely a liberal and Jim is a proud Democrat. And the Bucks are proud Evangelicals. In wrestling world I would agree Punk and Jim and Conservative and Bucks are Liberal, but US Politics, polar opposite.
Strange, isn't it?
Punk is a Bernie Sanders supporter, who did vote for Biden because well it was either him or Trump.
@@unknownsample4801 that's good to know Punk actually supports really smart men in US Governance. But don't tell that to some of his fans who lean right. :P
@sigmablock I'm a Conservative, I'm still a fan of Punk regardless of his political leanings lmao. Live and let live.
@@unknownsample4801don’t overthink it…the Bucks are atrocious on any political spectrum
Yes.
Cornette wants to "conserve" wrestling and despises "progress/modernization"...
But supports baby murder whilst being against self defence. .
The iwc has turned into the most self entitled, unbearable entity out there it’s made multiple celebrities that liked something and made them never want to say the word wrestle again especially female it’s just ridiculous
It’s the same in a lot of fandoms now, particularly video games(I suspect a lot of the crazies in the wrestling fandom are also the crazies in video game fandom too)
It's the trans army. All of the hormones and drugs that they take are tearing the world apart
I’ve got news for you, the IWC has always been that.
@@djsognal it’s had people like this for a long time but now it’s the majority
"Turned into" 🤣 Hate to break it to you lad. The large majority of the IWC indy darling "smart mark" community has always been ignorant, has always been 🗑, and has always used feelings over logic.
That article was grade A journalism. Complete with spelling errors and grammar problems for extra benefit. Do you think the author has ever talked to a woman?
does his mom count?
Based on the article alone, I don't think he has ever spoken to anyone outside of Reddit.
Yes, but it cost his parents $4.99 a minute on the phone bill.
Thats what democrats do
One type of annoying and cringy fans are the ones who say so and so should win the rumble or that championship or whatever because they "deserve" it. Why do they even care about that? Wrestling wasn't created to reward guys for working hard, it was created to entertain. Most of us fans want to be entertained and want to see the most entertaining guys be pushed, not whoever "deserves" it.. Also, if whoever "deserves" it was how they decided who wins the championship, then every jobber would eventually win it.
To me, Solomonster is still my go-to example of that type of fan. Gets an idea in their head of how things "HAVE" to play out, runs with it to an obnoxious level like they're the smartest, and then gets stroppy when it doesn't go their way.
because they don't see wrestling as a business, they see it as a playground where manchildren get to live out their childhood dreams.
He got nasty with me for calling out his anti Punk, pro Bucks bias over Brawl Out, and I responded with six examples of Buckaroo conduct that would see them fired or demoted in any company. I laid out how they convince people to attack their critics for them, then leave them to get thrown under the bus (ie Cutlet attacking Jim Ross on Twitter and eating shit. He used Buckaroo language and it was obvious who put him up to it)
He didn’t have a response. Now he’s starting to sing a different tune these days.
@@3DBrawlChannelNever disagreed more with Solomonster and his fans than on the AEW/CM Punk thing. They ate crow on that because they forgot wrestling is a business.
There are countless examples of wrestlers working together despite hating each other personally. CM Punk has issues, no doubt. But they ran with the "Punk is toxic" narrative as if you couldn't make a strong case against the Elite.
But CM Punk and HHH are pros and want to draw millions and billions not just a couple Bucks.
To be honest, wrestling was created to con people to get their money.
Neo Conservatism does not = Republican or conservative. Most of you using that term clearly have zero clue what it means.
I think the smart mark wrestling fans are upset because they are seeing that the indie/hardcore/hard style wrestling that they love so much, isn’t as popular as they said it was.
I think if you are being fair you can say because Punk did the things he did he upset the locker room. It made the people who disliked the Elite even more angry or dislike those guys more. I would bet at least 30% of the locker room would have been happy to get the VIP's out of the company. But instead they lost CM Punk. How many people are going to be happy to see Perry when he gets back?
Good question.
VIPs😂😂😂😂
@@bwasiookoyo1673vaguely important pricks sounds like a good acronym for the bucks
If key players in the locker room were willing to do business, most of this crap wouldn't have happened and the remainder would've been settled behind closed doors. Punk is not innocent and made some bad choices, but he didn't act alone, and by all accounts, didn't even fire the first shot.
"VIPS"... LOL, stick to humming Seth Rollins' theme, clueless mark.
We have a hysterical Chris Jericho this blessed Christmas day!! 😂😂
Impatiently waiting for Jim and Brian to talk about that now
Can't wait for Bryan Danielson giving Chris Jericho a big Xmas present later on courtesy of a fine 💰
I can see Danielson yelling at Y2tonJ
“FICKLE!!! FICKLE!!! YOUR TWEETS ARE FICKLE!!! YOUR TWEETING IS FICKLE!!! Your FICKLE fine is uhhh, hmm I don’t remember!! Anyhow, 2 weeks of having to snort coke with, and be hugged by a fearing for his life Tony Khan, he’s had a bad week on Twitter.
What makes this article funny is that they are calling Cornette conservative. I guess if you are talking about wrestling theology.
AEW fans are like the TNA fans of 2008. Insufferable.
Jim is a proud Democrat. Some fans are so funny.
Fans who are actually smart but politically dumb i.e. a smark but watches Faux News, and smarks who just stereotype Jim being a right-winger since he hails from the South, and probably simps Cenk or MSNBC daily.
Actually he kinda is conservative. The way he blindly supports democrats and immediately hates anything or anyone republican is very conservative. Also obviously how much he loves tradition in wrestling. I was surprised when I found out he was Democrat. This is why I wish more people should abandon supporting parties because of beliefs can go either direction. Plus it would kill a ton of stupid arguments. Sorry for rambling. Lol!
@@Fencellisk I would say he's a strong left-winger Democrat in the State of Kentucky of all places(Kentucky btw bless them they have a Democratic Governor)
@@sigmablockI've said it before, but he's a rare steak (Red on the inside)
@@Fencellisk Hating Republicans makes you conservative? This is a level of stupidity beyond mental disability.
We can all agree that the hardcore smart mark fans are the worse thing about Wrestling and kinda keeps casuals away especially when it’s mainly Hardcores supporting Wrestling currently
Smart casuals are what make shit storytelling. These are the fans that think Roman Reigns deserves an academy award.
@@jeffreystone8091 Smart Causals is a term I never heard because casual fans don’t follow Wrestling 24/7 on social media or read dirt sheets constantly they watch for the characters and stories the memorable segments etc Smart Marks watch Wrestling for the Technical Workrate matches big difference
@@joeyskywalker1322 a smart casual is someone that knows it’s fake and only watches occasionally but they don’t know who MJF or FTR is
@@jeffreystone8091 That’s because there in AEW most casuals don’t watch AEW and that’s because they mainly cater to the hardcore fanbase casuals don’t really watch AEW much especially since Punk left
They're the ONLY fans!!
Who GAF about CM Punk besides ROH marks???
My mum is aware of Hogan/Rock/Austin/Cena... NEVER heard of Punk..
Let’s be honest they were already exposed as a minor league company before the All Out Scrum and Wembley
As an AEW fan, I get pretty embarrassed by this crap. The wrestling was what got me watching and Punk returning got me hooked. The Elite never factored into it. I can enjoy Kenny and even some of Hangnail's matches but the Bucks are awful. Once you've seen one of their matches, you've seen them all. That's the end of my "neo-conservative" rant.
"As an AEW fan.." That's embarrassing all on its own.
Everyone from Ol Uncle Dave to Ol King Khan to the Elite are attached like the human centipede lol... 🤣
Disappointing film - an interesting premise squandered. I've said it all along, we need a figure 8 human centipede.
One thing is crystal clear here… this author has been so upset by Corny’s criticisms of Matt & Nick, that he completely failed to actually listen to what those critiques were. Of course he doesn’t like their choreographed gymnastics. If you were a fan of pro wrestling pre 2000, you’d understand how ridiculous it looks. But his main issue, just like he says in this clip, was always how they (& Page, & Omega, & their high school clique) conducted themselves, specifically off camera.
And ironically, there’s nothing that illustrates today’s “neo-conservatism” more than being really upset about something you are unable to correctly specify or define. I understand “today’s smart fans,” are overwhelmingly young, so it would be understandable if this piece of advice was something they hadn’t heard before… Nevertheless, it’s something they’d (especially said author) would be wise to take note of - Talk less…Listen more… that way you won’t have to taste your foot quite so much.
If being serious about the wrestling business makes you a “neo conservative” then I’m a neo conservative I guess.
(7:34)
So basically Corny and Weasel are the McDonald Bros. and Dave is Ray Kroc.
Kind of, except Kroc eventually drove the McDonalds out of business and was a success.
I wish we could all just go back to being marks. Watch what we enjoy, and cheer for who we like. None of this, critiquing like your a 20 year vet because you think your friends with the wrestler you met at the merch table and follow on Twitter. Saying, "I want this guy to win". Instead of, "This is what the finish needs to be because of the story!"
That isn’t going to happen.
I look back and think my happiest time as a wrestling fan was before everyone and their brother was "smart" (that includes me). I don't think it's a coincidence my fanaticism started to wane roughly around the time the internet age started to take off (1999/2000)--(I've been an on/off fan since but the WWE has gotten pretty the last few years). Because it no longer was about watching, it was now about backstage stuff, who's politicking, workrate, etc. Basically taking what is, if we're being honest, a "moron" sport and treating it like rocket science. Most modern fans (ie--people who think the Attitude/Monday Nigh Wars era is the starting point/pinnacle of wrestling.) have this affliction--worse, they've tried to attach some social conscious to it (count how many time fans will say "cte", hard to watch, problematic, toxic, etc in their blatherings). To paraphrase a line from Catch-22, they know everything about wrestling except how to enjoy it. Wrestling is basically the rock and roll of sports--it's meant to be offensive, stupid, trashy. To treat it any other way...well, just listen to the guy their talking about or that Brian Zane guy for examples. There's is a point I'm trying to make here I'm sure. Ha! But this is why I want AEW to fail. It's not "competition" or an "alternative", it's some rich kids jackoff exercise, which is why it was doomed to fail from day 1. Cody leaving was your first clue but people didnt want to face it. And it's created a big contigent of lame fans like this. (Congratulations if you made it to the end or made sense of this. Ha!)
You are correct. This new fan who is a fan solely to critique the booking is stupid. I makes sense to listen to a professional with experience like Cornette provide a critique, but I can't imagine listening to a critique from someone like Last.
It's art. Part of art is the critique
@brandonhendrix7223: I wholeheartedly agree with Your points. Except about CTE. That I take very seriously because of what happened to Junior Seau. And why Ted Washington was forced to retire. And of course everyone is still on pins and needles about the outcome of the entire Family of a troubled young man from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. I worry immensely about people going headlong into steel Ringsteps and metal Ladders. For crying out loud, Sting at 62 has decided that he's eager to play the cruelest game in The Sport even though the long term damages are so very evident! Yikes! I didn't write this to be contrarian or confrontational so please tell me if and how I'm wrong on this.🤔B.W.
Merry Christmas to those who celebrate
“Saying the young bucks do too many flips is alt-right.”
Well no, he clearly said neocon. So that's modern Day war piggery. You know the newfound ukrainian nationalists. "Alt right" is not a thing
They gave us a bate and switch!
"Sports based" remember? And what we got instead, is lazy sports entertainment by a bunch of wannabees who would have never been qualified to be actual Pro Wrestlers in the past.
Punk was not the problem. But in order to be victims they need a boogey man!
It is hard to except that Tony Khan knows nothing, but he is just like them! An indy mark with a billionare dad. Only now he has gotten to a point where he does not know what to do. All the suprizes or new belts won't save him.
People don't respect Tony Khan because of Tony Khan!
No one to blame but himself!
His arrogance is off the charts! He actually thinks he is a good booker and sees him self at the level of the greats like Bill Watts, Jim Crocket, Verne Gane, Paul Heyman and others. And the only people telling him the truth are those who he considers enemies for questioning his judgement!
His real enemies are closer to him and tell him everything he wants to hear! Those parasites are making out like bandits and they will bleed his dad dry!
Jerry Jarrett, Tony Angelo, Don Owen, The Fuller Brothers Ron & Robert, Jimmy Golden, and Ole Anderson deserve credit for their Booking Expertise as well.🤔🎤🎼🎸🤼♀️🤼♂️B.W.
AEW fans giving K-Pop stans a run for their money.
The biggest problem I have (I run a wrestling channel) in dealing with AEW fans because I watch NXT, WWE, & AEW with some TNA & others mixed in is that the AEW fans are BY FAR the most casual of them all & lack any knowledge.
This idea that they are the smartest or smarks is dead wrong. They lack even the basis of understanding of the business. I say this as someone who wrestled for 4 years and have been watching since 1983. Yet I have to listen to people who started in 2012 tell ME how things work who never spent a minute in the ring, & never saw Snuka off the cage.
There's one thing about wrestling I've noticed over the years the only thing that changes is the card you can always tell when there's GOOD WORK !
Happy holidays Jim, Brian and the rest of the cult 👌
This is classic flipping the script by cellar dwellers who cannot handle that not everyone loves what they love, 100%.
I don't know if it's an original thought, or something he got from someone else, but I'm going to paraphrase Paul Heyman in response to Jim's comments newe the end about who should we cheer or boo. Paul said something to the effect of the concept or wrestling being easy. Who are these 2, why are they fighting, and why should I care? Just 3 simple things that have been lost lately. AEW has no clue. WWE didn't for awhile until Triple H was given the keys to the kingdom.
I think its goofy that the evangelical bucks named a move after Meltzer. I am basically Dick Cheney.
These kind of fans ignored the problems backstage when it came to Punk. They ignored the problems backstage when it came to Cody and Brandi. They the problems backstage when it came to Big Swole.
They can try to dislike and discredit all of these people until they are blue in the face but the one person that is most damning to their dismissals is how they ignore that Joey Janela has been saying the exact same thing about the problems backstage as Punk, the Rhodes and Big Swole ever since he left. And he is the literal definition of indie darling that they are trying to paint the Elite as.
I still don't understand what external innocence is and neither does whoever wrote that article
I'm far from convinced it's a positive quality! To me, it sounds like it means a naive regard for AEW, without understanding what is happening inside
If the Bucks wouldn't do some many flips, they'd be better people?!?! They're jerks. People don't have to like jerks.
Somebody on another post used the Sunken Cost Fallacy to describe AEW fans, and it fits really well. AEW fans have invested so much emotionally into this product that they won't let them see what everyone else sees, which is that this company is a fucking clown car.
The kid who wrote that rubbish needs to go back to their university's library and focus more on their Social Studies degree they'll do nothing with...
These kinds of fans are trash and why wrestling is seen as a joke by most people.
Jericho has officially turned into ric flair. It’s a joke to watch them wrestle at this age
Did he eat Ric’s Woooings?
When Brian last does his mark voice 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wrestling was from it's evolution from shoots and At shows a simulated fight. It's become an Ed Sullivan Show routine. Ringling Brothers condensed from three rings down to one, clowns and all. We were sold Jack and Coke for 100 years and then given buttermilk and told we better enjoy it.
Jack and coke ain't all that, but I agree with the sentiment
So would Marco Stunt or Hornswoggle be "Topo Gigio"?🤔B.W.
People like the person that wrote that article is why so many of us have had to be closet wrestling fans around non fans
Why don't these AEW fans just walk around holding a sign that advertises they're virgins?
Given the affiliations of their favourite wrestlers, they should hold a sign that says Date A Proud Boy.
They look the part.
This article proves mental illness is a very serious, and needs to be addressed!
To be fair, Punk and Cornette are conservative wrestling fans. They want to conserve the old style of wrestling. Of course they didn’t mean it that way, but…
This is a fair comment, yes.
I thought the same when I read the article, that it related to wrestling itself and not politics, but God knows with these kind of people, to be fair
Dave Meltzer gave these idiots who wrote the "article" 6.5 Stars. Meanwhile, in reality, you can almost hear the legitimate Industry people roll their eyes at these idiots.
This channel has the best artwork of any CZcams channel, wrestling or otherwise. People say the name Travis and Travis I just want to let you know, Paul Levesque needs to hire you for the WWF.
lmao WORDS.. extravagant and flamboyant WORDS! It does seem AI-written as Jim said.
Is it wrong that i still don't know which Buck is Nick and which one is Matt?
Nick's the one on the right.
And Matt’s the one further to the right
Haha I can't tell. Do they do the Ant and Dec thing in the UK where Ant is always on the left? 😂
@@jamesmaskell3743I’m still struggling to figure which ones PJ and which ones Duncan. Never mind this ant & dec malarkey (me shaking fist at clouds)
Easiest way to figure it out is this: if the one you're looking at is balding, it's Nick, if they've short hair and a smug punchable face it's Matt
I wonder who wrote that diatribe. All of the AEW tribalists I interact with can't stand a post with more than one sentence, let alone multisyllabic words.
This thumbnail is an all-timer
People like this are why I stopped telling people I watch wrestling.
I supported the indie wrestling scene for years with my money. I went and saw all the guys who are now top stars everywhere. Guys like Punk, Joe, AJ, Danielson, Rollins and such. Its funny, but if there's anyone to really blame for the death of the indies its Tony Khan, because he took that booking style and ran it directly into the ground in record time and gave guys who didn't deserve backstage power too much power. There's a shelf life to anything, even at ROH's peak Gabe Sapolsky lost it, by having matches end after 21 "Super Moves" and then a small package pinfall. Tony learned nothing from watching that stuff.
To equate Jim and Punk with Right Wing ideology is another example of these fans looking for boogeymen to band together against because the product they love is dogshit. The Bucks were/are Obama birthers, do these clowns know that?
Maybe they should spend more time watching their favorite female "Wrestling Journalist" stream a video game in a bikini while spending time with thier "Waifu" pillows...
Which female journalist was this? Denise “markette” Saucedo?
LMAO the thing CM Punk took from AEW was there ratings and momentum I'm just glad he's back in WWE and away from the drama in AEW especially with wwe kicking their ass with stars while aew has nick wayne talk about a downgrade.
Majority of wrestling fans are lefties, but I think AEW are even Further to the left than your average wrestling fan. If “all trump fans are rednecks” Cornette and “I’m gonna wear a pro choice tshirt on TV” Punk are all of a sudden right wingers, then what does that tell ya? lol
With that said, I’m a right winger and completely agree with Cornette on things when it comes to wrestling, and I have left wing friends that also agree with Cornette. I don’t know if it’s a “left or right” thing or a smart vs crazy thing lol
Also the Young Bucks are Christian conservatives. Just putting that out there.
All you need to know is everyone is liberal about something’s and are conservative about other things. Once everyone realizes this and drops this “right” wing - “left” wing nonsense the world will be better.
P.s
1) who did Jericho make donations to get re-elected?
2) where was Mrs. Jericho on 16th January
And yet Jim is the right wing scumbag🤷♂️. I’m not judging just pointing out the hypocrisy of AEW fans
@@totallybored5526 👎
The only thing I'd disagree with is that the majority of wrestling fans are lefties. Maybe the majority of smart fans. But walking through a WWE crowd, it's a real cross section of America.
The rating system was smart back in the 80s when you had to slog through hours of VHS footage just to find one compelling match. It helped you track down better cards or make a comp of enjoyable stuff. That was useful. Now it’s been weaponized- ironically now that it’s utterly redundant.
Special people those aew crazies
A smart man like Jim, definitely knows both party's in politics is controlled by the same masters..we know its his "character " for podcast