42 Point Match!! Ed Ruth & Jon Reader refused to stop scoring
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Absolute worst reffing and scoring ever.
Dude started with an 8 point lead and then got railed by the challenge
I’m lost. I JUST WATCHED the guy in the blue roll Reader over onto his but 3 times EXACTLY like what reader did 4 times that he scored 8 points with then they took it all away and yet THEY SCORED the guy in blue 6 points. UGH!
@@tobyihli9470 his name is ED 🙂😐
I would love to have heard what Zeke said to those officials to get that 9 point swing.
In freestyle, if both wrestlers expose their back, the question is always who initiated the move. He obviously convinced the officials that at least some of those double exposures were the result of Ruth pushing into Reader, and not Reader pulling Ruth over the top.
Lmao the challenge brick tho
fitting for this comedy of errors
@@B3nder127 you ain't lying lmao 😂 this whole match was a shit show. Fun to watch tho
Looked like a New Orleans Saints game out there.
Real score is 24-21 to Reader
Yes Indeed. REF NEEDS TO BE FIRED
BLM
@@6ri66s2 meaning
"I feel like I don't know rules"
I was saying the same thing.
Reader got completely screwed
Refs should resign for a year and think about how much they suck... get training and come back at Fargo. Start there. Better yet... work some regional kids/cadet tournaments first. THEN! come to Fargo. We'll see how they do after that.
Reader would've won had the scoring stayed as originally scored. It's the problem you get when scoring is subjective. Did they go far enough to earn the points or not? I think most people probably felt the original score of 12-4 was correct. I would be interested in seeing their explanation as to why they changed.
In retrospect Ruth had all the talent/skill in the world but his lax style especially in takedowns stopped him from fully transitioning into the beast he was in Folk.
Lax?
@@nancedevonte maybe RElaxed would be more appropriate.
weenito McChile lax makes more sense given the context.
Ruth never had any urgency in his offense great wrestler no doubt
This might have made and Ruth’s career and ruined Jon Reader’s...
I am thinking that those national championships probably made his career.
No ncaa means nothing when the trails come up. Didn’t a d2 guy represent the country last year. A career earns you money and college isn’t giving you a dime.
Bbd L I get it. But this match did not make his career. Very few people watched or know anything about the match. But most of us watched his college career and now that he is in MMA that career is what he will be known for.
Bbd L who was the d2 guy....see what I mean. You made my point.
My thoughts
1: How the hell do you call the offensive turns on the mat and then take like 6 points back!
2. Ruth had two leg laces where Reader does NOT break a 90 degree and goes hand to hand. I believe that is ONLY 1 point.
This makes or refs looks like idiots.
No hand to hand is 2 now
As good as Ruth is, he robbed Reader of the win.
Ruth did NOT win... 26-21
He did not rob anyone. The refs made calls that many of us cannot understand. Both very good wrestlers.
They handed Ed another chance because Ron won the first exchange and it should’ve been a 1st period tech. It’s been known for almost a decade that pen state guys have had some pretty favorable ref calls in NCAA and the trails.
Wow. The more I watch this match
Folk style has always seemed simpler then freestyle
Freestyle is too opinionated for me. Two guys can get in a scramble and when they stop the action it may be like 6-2 and neither know how they scored. Lol
Folk style is more common bc it’s scholastic wrestling.
Gage Burress freestyle is world wide, it’s absolutely not more common
Folk style produces 90% more MMA fighters.
I’ve grow up freestyle being from Canada and trying to watch folkstyle is so confusing to me.
My mans went into challenge up 8, came out down 1, idc what nobody say somebody suuuper terrrible at they job!!!
Never seen a challenge have that huge of a point differential impact! I think maybe two out of 8 chest wrap scores were Ruth’s but this had me second guessing every single point haha freestyle can be so weird sometimes. Do you know how hard it is at the highest level to get in on a savages leg and take him down without even exposing your back the slightest while they are only trying to do that! Insanity! The elite of the elite at freestyle the J. Smith type were just amazing at their ability to score with leg attacks with such precision to not expose a shoulder at all!
Refs were mixed up because the blue singlet had the red scoreboard color at the beginning of the match then it switched.
As a youth coach, I had two 40 pound 6 yr olds wrestling each other at Districts. The final score was 23-22 and the ref had gone insane.
What is the angry bird for?
Let’s go Iowa!
Scoring...... man, that was tough
this is insaneee
i got into a match and it was a finals match the final score was 28-20 i was up and ended up pinning the guy with ten seconds left just a crazy match we just kept scoring
Yo I'm happy if I score that much in a tournament, let alone a single match.
Love how they push action and when they get it they can't keep up with the fuckin score
So the entire next week just work on climbing up the opponent???
This is why folkstyle is way better.
The refs woke up and chose Ed Ruth
Why are the giving points for a back to stomach exposure?
freestyle
@@deathhy7590 its supposed to be back to mat.
Brandon Coles no, it’s not back to mat in freestyle. It’s if you’re back is exposed at all to the mat. It’s that simple. All of those are 2. Freestyle is not folk style
@@deathhy7590 you back isn't exposed if something is blocking it. The debate the coaches should be arguing in a scramble.
Brandon Coles nothing was blocking his back. His back was clearly in an angle facing the mat. That’s exposure in freestyle. Whether you like it or not
9 point swing on challenge...unreal
i scored Reader 22 Ruth 21
This is where the rules ran amok. Pure exposure is not wrestling - it's something else. I was killed by the 'never-ending' leg lace by the Korean's. No disrespect - these were the rules. The South Korean wrestler's I spent time with were some of the most respectful and amazing people I have ever spent time with. They were awesome!
Leg lace has always felt like cheap points to me too...
Bruh I know that challenge flag is NOT an angry bird plushie lmao
Ruth got plenty of help !
Reader got robbed so bad . Refs must be on the payroll
Jefe Moreno When I tired scoring this match I had Ruth winning still what did you scoring entail?
gitgud haters smoking my guy
gitgud haters don’t get me wrong Ruth won but the scoring at the beginning could had been all the difference in his mind set .
Freestyle is just plain stupid. All this gimmicky point BS, and the refs completely control the outcome of most matches. Wrestling is about takedowns and controling your opponent, not cheap .1 second tilts. The world should switch to Folkstyle.
I hate that they can score without actually gaining control of their opponent .
Yeah maybe not switch but combine some elements of folk style like 1 hold 1 exposure, no exposure if you're not the offensive wrestler. If that was changed I would have no problem saying free is more exciting and the better version. A guy shoots in on you and you expose yourself and him simultaneously with a chest lift and you get 4 points but have you really controlled him or dominated him? Doesn't feel like it when the scramble ends up with 4-2 because the "huge thrown" wrestler got the takedown in the end. I think folk needs the out of bounds rigor in the neutral position that free has though.
What is the bird for?
:36 the names switch in the top left.
I think they did not know who was who
WOW! Very creative judging... LOL
These are UFC judges
what he say in the beginning, mixed up colors lol
My highest match was my junior year. 19-17 win over a really strong shooter. Caught him in an awkward cradle and held it somehow till time ran out cause I was down 16-17 and got my 3 points for near fall. What a match. Lol
This is freestyle so they can just roll with a lace from one end of the mat to the other and get like 12 points
Reader got screwed, terrible scoring confuses the non wrestlers. Way to grow the sport wrestling.
I hate freestyke when teh guy being taken down can score 8 points and expose his own back and hten get taken down for a point.
It's the elephant in the room...
I had it 12-2, then Ed got the takedown. 12-4. I have NO idea how they scored it, what they did...unless 2 of those pullovers were somehow considered back exposures for Ruth, which is insane.
Two great NCAA folk style wrestlers here but this is another example of why I don’t like freestyle.
Seems like affirmative action has hit freestyle wrestling. 9 point swing after a "review" and then given an additional 4 points for two leg locks after time expired.
what in the blue hell happened there!? and here i thought MMA was alone with the worst sport reffing and scoring, low and behold how wrong i was, just...fcking wow!!
I'm so confused how everyone else is so confused lol
This is not bad reffing. Its so bad that it has to be deliberate.
The legend goes Ed Ruth was destroyed by Khabib in practice. Wrestling practice that is.
The legend
*The rumor
There, fixed that for you ...
Somebody must have been bribed cus the points were sutch BS
And this is why I much prefer folk style wrestling over freestyle and Greco Roman.
The scoring of the first sequence was objectively atrocious. Originally scored 12-4, then looked at, and changed to 6-7. It was a 9 point switch and swing. Disgusting.
That was the worst judging and officiating I’ve ever seen in a wrestling match. The referee should have challenged the judging. This is why a lot of people believe there should be no point system. One match with bad officiating can cause the real winner loose as in this match. Subjective scoring should be removed from all sports. In wrestling and boxing, either you win by a pin or knockout or no one wins. Sports in general have become to easy to fix the outcome. That is why viewership across the board is taking a nosedive!!
Y’all so quick to blame the judges. Their job isn’t easy lol
Yeah it is, that's why were so mad about it, bc any wrestler could do it better, they butchered the scoring by 9 points in that exchange??? And it was right originally
The aggressive wrestler gets the benefit of the doubt
Folkstyle is more entertaining and better for MMA it seems. This is so confusing.
I agree
Dudes pulling him back onto himself! That’s now a hold and there should be no points for the dude
Zach screwed this up. 8-2 at challenge.
Thats insane. The points ive had had in a match was 22-20. Granted these guys are way better but its tough😂
All this would be solved by implementing a timed back exposure. Make it at least a 2 count past 90 degrees in order to score.
Why are people batching at ref... it the score keepers
I can't believe how robbed that poor kid got................
Bad reffing but freestyle is so subjective
Crazy they blew the whistle right when Ruth had a lace... Whats up with that? Did the challenge stop it? Of course, that was the idea before they completely changed the score. Didn't see that coming at all. I thought the score was pretty much correct. Ok... That was completely insane! All the refs involved should be sent back to pee wee leagues.
The law is the law if you don't like it change it
Reader got screwed
Shouldve been 24-21 Reader
Worst screwing over ever!
Side exposure doesn't count. The refs were right.
I can see that for 1 or 2 times but to get the score the refs got I have no clue how
Folkstyle >>>>>>> Freestyle
This match was Terrible the refs need to quit
On that first challenge, I came up with 8-4 Reader. 1 of the turns was a back and forth with no reset in between, so it was the same 2 called twice. 1 of the turns didn't break the plane. I can only assume that they decided that the last turn was initiated by Ruth, and that's why he got a 3 point takedown instead of Reader getting a 2 point exposure, but they also gave him the takedown afterwards, so even giving every benefit of every doubt, they gave Ruth the same takedown twice to get to 7-6.
your title should be WORST reffing and scoring EVER
How the hell are you supposed to understand this sport? I need some kind of qualification before I can watch it.
If your doing high school or college wrestling don’t watch this watch folk style wrestling. This is freestyle wrestling and it’s way more confusin folk style is pretty simple and straightforward coming from a high school wrestler
All I can think of is how much bacteria must be on that stuffed animal "brick".
If you’re going To commit a robbery on someone at least pull out a gun!
Highway robbery
Wow, talk about stealing
Why are they using children's stuffed animals as challenge flags....is this a side show event or something??!!
Great sportsmanship, but horrible scoring and the ref wasn't great either.
At some point Jon Reader has to make an adjustment. If the refs see something one way and keep calling 2 for Ruth, you gotta do something else. Jon had no offense, zero. Dude was a national champ for Christ's sake. If he gets after it and gets himself a take down, maybe he gets some turns , who knows.
Did you watch the match? He had 2 leg attack takedowns
Its totally Readers fault that the refs are little blind mice. He should change his whole style on the fly and maybe, just maybe they will like his new style and award him points for that.
Yeah change you style while your getting points just for the judges to say o god we can’t let Ed Ruth lose this wtf. Ed got handed the match.
not what you like to see, officiating like this is bad for the sport. They might need to find a way to involve both coaches, or other coaches or something men, cause this didn't feel right.
Reader got robbed that first round ..I had the points in my head then it all went south
Put lipstick on next time ref.
What the fuck was that
Reader deserved to lose this. He had zero offense. Zero.
No he didnt. lmao, he got 6+ points robbed from him. This is freestyle wrestling. Its not folkstyle.
wtf was that scoring
WTF...
wtf
Pencil whipping
What a joke
That was fucking terrible
Reader got robbed
What is this shizz
This cause me to lose interest in wrestling, a sport I loved. Looks like politics has gotten into the officiating. Already said goodbye to football, basketball now it is adios to wrestling.
Politics?