Noam Chomsky & Vijay Prashad: US Empire in Withdrawal | FULL INTERVIEW 2022

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  • čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
  • Noam Chomsky and Vijay Prashad, two of the left's most brilliant critics of US empire, sit down with Jacobin Show's Ariella Thornhill to discuss their new book "The Withdrawal." To Noam and Vijay, US global power acts much the same way a Godfather rules over a Mafia family, imposing its interests on all who stand in its way domestically or internationally. The wide-ranging discussion touches on American exceptionalism, Military Keynesianism, the roadblocks for a new Iran Nuclear Deal, and the implications of Rep Nancy Pelosi's recent visit to Taiwan.
    Noam and Vijay's new book: thenewpress.com/books/withdrawal
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Komentáře • 544

  • @jocosus3
    @jocosus3 Před rokem +194

    This conversation should be be mandatory viewing for all Americans who want a better world. #Solidarity

    • @treefrog3349
      @treefrog3349 Před rokem

      Oh what a beautiful idea! The American Public has been so dumbed-down that many cannot see the persistent erosion of the democratic ideal

    • @herbertdarick7693
      @herbertdarick7693 Před rokem +7

      And also for the majority who doesn't care, because they need it.

    • @kaimarmalade9660
      @kaimarmalade9660 Před rokem

      The one with Vivek and Zizek is much better. This talk just demonstrates what we all already can taste in the air-- that there isn't a workable plan for a Leftist political program in the United States that can produce GDP growth and rates sufficient as to not to cause an economic and social holocaust. We have to milk the globalist, financialist megalith to create enough growth to fuel the consumer spending economy or else (in theory) lots and lots of the working class people that Chomsky claims to advocate for are going to die or have their life expectancies diminished through poverty and malnutrition. We need to think of solutions that will grant normal people a means of upward economic placement and get past the idea that the working class people in the United States (or throughout the world) are going to spontaneously organize themselves peacefully into cooperative groups and take over the economic system. May 68' demonstrates just how little it takes to buy off the working classes. It will take even less when they're hungry and disenfranchised. Panem et Circenses.
      It's not class warfare. It's actual warfare but in a jig-saw puzzle. Interests are skewed across class lines as it's unclear where economic and military interests begin and end. The international social order is unironically Sicilian.

    • @averayugen8462
      @averayugen8462 Před rokem +1

      @@herbertdarick7693 they would revile us for saying that lol

    • @psung5837
      @psung5837 Před rokem

      @@herbertdarick7693 ĺ

  • @paulpell
    @paulpell Před rokem +120

    It will be a very sad day when Chomsky is no longer with us, which, unfortunately, will be way too soon. Thankfully Vijay will be with us for a long time, the world needs more people like them.

    • @hampusheh
      @hampusheh Před rokem +26

      I don't know, I feel like Noam will just look more and more like a wizened old stone with moss on it and live for ever.

    • @againstorthodoxy4212
      @againstorthodoxy4212 Před rokem +11

      Chomsky will outlive you and I. Do not worry.

    • @justinbozeman9279
      @justinbozeman9279 Před rokem +7

      Chomsky got a blood transfusion from keith the other day so he's gonna last a bit longer

    • @subversivelysurreal3645
      @subversivelysurreal3645 Před rokem +8

      ~we’re so very fortunate to have him with us❤️.

    • @charlottecooney1019
      @charlottecooney1019 Před rokem

      @@hampusheh see ex

  • @maryannjenkins875
    @maryannjenkins875 Před rokem +152

    The interviewer was also great. Her summaries, just outstanding. She hit the ball out of the park with every question.

    • @pointyfingers
      @pointyfingers Před rokem +9

      I normally find long contextualized questions annoying but after this host, I'm realizing most people are just bad at it. She did amazing!! I listened to every word very carefully.

    • @jero4059
      @jero4059 Před rokem +1

      @@pointyfingers Who is she?

    • @TheGodFr0mTheMachine
      @TheGodFr0mTheMachine Před rokem +1

      That's Ariella!

    • @kevintewey1157
      @kevintewey1157 Před rokem

      An interviewer can only pitch the ball stop worshiping people

    • @kevintewey1157
      @kevintewey1157 Před rokem

      Vijay prashad and Noam Chomsky didn't need an interviewer to bestow their wisdom on us
      they could have just chosen to do it spontaneously
      Interviewers are just people sometimes with access and sometimes we should question them for that
      It could be suspicious

  • @medicuswashington9870
    @medicuswashington9870 Před rokem +64

    I am forever grateful to you for this discussion. I am 86 and sense that I have been waiting for this sharing of the truth. Thanks and stay strong.

  • @terryrose6567
    @terryrose6567 Před rokem +106

    It is refreshing to watch and listen to this presentation. Ariella, Vijay and Noam form a troika in perpetuity... The student, the scholar, and the wise man.

  • @jame2182
    @jame2182 Před rokem +48

    As a citizen of the united states of america I have to make huge efforts to get accurate legitimate news from all over the globe. These gentlemen are brilliant and assist me enormously. I'm so grateful for their analysis

    • @rezakarampour6286
      @rezakarampour6286 Před rokem

      Solving 9-11 By Christopher Bollyn . '

    • @zsmith4853
      @zsmith4853 Před rokem

      I am very glad to know that you are open minded. I only wish that many more millions of American citizens were similar like yourself.

    • @beastmode8203
      @beastmode8203 Před rokem

      @@zsmith4853 we are not tankies like the rest of you.

    • @rezakarampour6286
      @rezakarampour6286 Před rokem +1

      Search . ' They Don't Hate Us For Our Freedom . '

    • @bucketiii7581
      @bucketiii7581 Před rokem

      "huge efforts"
      AKA you can't get it spoonfed to you on TV. Quit crying and do some actual work. You live in the heart of empire. Act like it.

  • @LetsGoGetThem
    @LetsGoGetThem Před rokem +22

    Going by Noam's sharp mind, he has many years left to provide wisdom. The man is pushing into his 90s and he is as sharp as a 20 year old! It's actually unreal.

    • @jacobjorgenson9285
      @jacobjorgenson9285 Před rokem +1

      You’ll never see him use notes for anything 🤯

    • @MaTeTris
      @MaTeTris Před rokem +1

      He is way sharper than a 20 year old.

  • @tomt55
    @tomt55 Před rokem +66

    An excellent and imperative discussion with 2 of the most important contemporary intellectuals today.

    • @JohnT.4321
      @JohnT.4321 Před rokem +4

      I'll agree to that. Gives a perspective what the media won't do.

    • @p8entlyobvious925
      @p8entlyobvious925 Před rokem

      Rubbish. The one sided nature of their argument is for all to see.
      Although Putin is an actual Godfather . He is a Human not an imperialist government so he is O.K. Isn't Putin's control of the eastern part of the continent an imperialist adventure. Just because the Russian Empire is a ramshackle kleptocracy means we should ignore it. I used to admire Chomsky. He is not being fair and balanced. He has downgraded himself to virtually a Russian propagandist. Chomsky going on with Russell Brand was bad taste. Chomsky himself has become a conspiracy theorist .with Brand he was trying to show how censorship in the U.S Is worse than that of Nazi Germany. Just garbage

  • @jeffbiscuit
    @jeffbiscuit Před rokem +79

    So excited to watch this. The idea of Vijay and Noam coming together like this is utterly brilliant and this will be the next book I read.

  • @nicholasperugini3418
    @nicholasperugini3418 Před rokem +15

    Ariella is a good interviewer. Concise and fluent.

  • @deljay1840
    @deljay1840 Před rokem +46

    Chomsky is best when he brings up how the USA was always planned to be this way

    • @CyberspacedLoner
      @CyberspacedLoner Před rokem +3

      An Oligarchy (Electoral College/Presidential/Senatorial Republic) instead of a Democracy, Capitalism and Imperialism ?!

    • @kevintewey1157
      @kevintewey1157 Před rokem

      @@CyberspacedLoner anything but communist I guess ( but it should be)

    • @robertrichard6107
      @robertrichard6107 Před rokem

      @@CyberspacedLoner A boozed-up manifest destiny of slave owners/ white supremacists cut loose with a doctrine of discovery.

  • @irvinhansen7173
    @irvinhansen7173 Před rokem +29

    Loss of "appetite for dialogue and diplomacy" is an excellent observation of current U.S. policy. It complements Chomsky's Godfather analogy.

  • @lynnwood7205
    @lynnwood7205 Před rokem +20

    Regarding Cuba.
    Fidel Castro remarked that only because Cuba had no oil was it allowed to be.

    • @robertrichard6107
      @robertrichard6107 Před rokem

      Anaconda Oil Wells (Bush Family) kept out of Cuban Waters.

    • @raymundogonzalez6450
      @raymundogonzalez6450 Před rokem +1

      Yeah ! But bloking them economically give a sense to the regular People that " that system " doesn't work! [ why not allow them to trade freely and allow the " System" work? ) meaning current situation give a false or inaccurate impression that is favorable for the Corporate Capitalism like " Better" system. Why not allow they implemented freely implement the way they want to live and trade???

  • @cliffordmaxwell9802
    @cliffordmaxwell9802 Před rokem +23

    Noam Chomsky is back baby!

  • @joethao2161
    @joethao2161 Před rokem +29

    This was a great interview! Always enjoy listening to Noam and Vijay speak facts.

  • @zachflame123
    @zachflame123 Před rokem +21

    Great talk, great host, great guests, great show

  • @PSYxTV
    @PSYxTV Před rokem +62

    When Chomsky just brutally went after Pelosi for buffing up her CV I couldnt help but laugh.

  • @treefrog3349
    @treefrog3349 Před rokem +12

    The simple fact that you will never hear conversation like this on main-stream, corporate-owned media should be very disturbing to all. Orwell and Huxley warned us.

    • @rezakarampour6286
      @rezakarampour6286 Před rokem

      ' Noam Chomsky : US is World Biggest Terrorist .

    • @Zsswimmer1
      @Zsswimmer1 Před rokem

      Except it's easily available on CZcams. While it should be, why expect it to be with how mainstream media has operated like this for decades? At some point people are responsible for educating themselves and not getting all their news from CNN or fox. Sadly I'm sure it's all by design. There are tons of free eash to access dialogue and speeches on this platform

    • @robertrichard6107
      @robertrichard6107 Před rokem

      And Samuel Clemens (Twain)

    • @MaTeTris
      @MaTeTris Před rokem

      ​@@Zsswimmer1 Yeah, save for the fact that the algorithm will only show this to people who are already within this frame of mind.
      Mass media is still a very powerful force and one which a huge amount of people get their "information" from.

  • @hsingchen5141
    @hsingchen5141 Před rokem +9

    What an in-depth and thorough discussion between two most outstanding scholars, on the prevailing precarious world situation. The depth of cruelty and shamelessness of the self-proclaimed exceptionalist is simply beyond comprehension !

  • @judyjeankwon1182
    @judyjeankwon1182 Před rokem +22

    When the godfather is in trouble, he goes crazy.

    • @TheMangoman72
      @TheMangoman72 Před rokem +4

      when he can't keep control, he destroys it all...

    • @voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885
      @voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 Před rokem

      Godfather=Chimpanzee male

    • @elsonck2523
      @elsonck2523 Před rokem +4

      @@TheMangoman72 Vijay Prashad: "Takes your favorite horse out of the stable, cuts off its head and puts it in your bed". Oppa Mafioso style

  • @anitaburton5989
    @anitaburton5989 Před rokem +4

    Hats off to the Host, excellent job. Thanks.

  • @deljay1840
    @deljay1840 Před rokem +15

    Been listening Chomsky wherever I can find him ever since 2004 and 'The Corporation' documentary

  • @yunusemresahin6430
    @yunusemresahin6430 Před rokem +7

    Great interview Jacobin, thank you for having Noam. For me he is/was and always will be the voice of the reason fueled by the great passion for the wellbeing of humanity and further of ecology.

  • @khalidakhan4752
    @khalidakhan4752 Před rokem +18

    Excellent, rich analysis and evidence, thank you

  • @jeffbegley8210
    @jeffbegley8210 Před rokem +14

    Wow - fantastic. Thank you Jacobin ! Great interviewing skills Ariella.

  • @saptarsimondal7653
    @saptarsimondal7653 Před rokem +10

    Wow 😮 a great discussion! Wanted to hear it for so long!

  • @ceciliaromia
    @ceciliaromia Před rokem +12

    Amazing interview!!! Thanks so much for sharing!

  • @swimmingmantis22
    @swimmingmantis22 Před rokem +7

    This was such an amazing and awesome Interview! Thank you!

  • @pattirockgarden4423
    @pattirockgarden4423 Před rokem +11

    US vs Cuba is a very sad situation. What a courageous people, the Cubans are! And China is playing a very wise, long game! US is showing how weak minded we have become.

    • @kevintewey1157
      @kevintewey1157 Před rokem

      And tell me what more than the profit motive in the USA would make us weak?

    • @elsonck2523
      @elsonck2523 Před rokem +1

      Is China interacting with Cuba these days? Might be a good tit for tat though the Senate would go berzerk.

    • @robertrichard6107
      @robertrichard6107 Před rokem +1

      U$ has always been stiff necked.

    • @beastmode8203
      @beastmode8203 Před rokem

      We 🇺🇸 determine the time, we 🇺🇸 determine if there's a long game. Play with us too much and the nukes fly ☢️

  • @Christopherjoe
    @Christopherjoe Před rokem +12

    I love Chomsky but the main reason Taiwan needs that sand is not for concrete but because that's where the silicon in computer chips comes from. Taiwan makes most of the chips and if they don't have the main ingredient the chip shortage (which leads to other shortages) is only going to get worse. Ukraine also exports sand as well as neon and krypton which are needed to make chips.

  • @krish2nasa
    @krish2nasa Před rokem +9

    " The attacks are compliments when the journalists lie about you, defame you, that shows you must be doing something right, so keep at it." -Noam Chomsky

  • @jame2182
    @jame2182 Před rokem +5

    Thank you, Ariella. Excellent work!

  • @merfymac
    @merfymac Před rokem +11

    Vijay Prashad is having a revitalizing effect on Chomsky. Nice to see.

    • @elsonck2523
      @elsonck2523 Před rokem +1

      I think you're right. Noam's eyes were very lively today.

  • @charleskesner1302
    @charleskesner1302 Před rokem +1

    Thanks for bringing us this conversation. A consequential book for our time.

  • @josephyoung6749
    @josephyoung6749 Před rokem +15

    I'm loving everything Vijay is saying, he's bringing the right tone here

    • @kevintewey1157
      @kevintewey1157 Před rokem +1

      Vijay prashad is leaving Noam Chomsky behind that's true

  • @vorlon81
    @vorlon81 Před rokem +10

    Best interview so far of Jocobin

  • @brianwheeldon4643
    @brianwheeldon4643 Před rokem +3

    Thanks to the 3 of you. Great.

  • @Mars_Life_and_Beings

    The "world" used to portray Noam as a crazy liberal. Now the world is crazy and Noam is the voice of reason. Thank you for the interview, I learned some new things.

  • @NameName-lv4lu
    @NameName-lv4lu Před rokem +1

    Awesome content, 10/10 would watch again

  • @phyllisthompson4207
    @phyllisthompson4207 Před rokem

    Great segment,thank you guys. A very worthwhile listen.

  • @Tannhauser108
    @Tannhauser108 Před rokem +7

    Outstanding interview 👍

  • @raymondtarpley3946
    @raymondtarpley3946 Před rokem +1

    Great interview….good show👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿!!!

  • @jame2182
    @jame2182 Před rokem +4

    Interesting and informative. Wise men discussing current world events

  • @audibledarkness
    @audibledarkness Před rokem +1

    Great interview and discussion.

  • @guvencagil
    @guvencagil Před rokem

    Much thanks to the panel

  • @dyrectory_com
    @dyrectory_com Před rokem

    Thank you! 👏🏼

  • @MoranSE
    @MoranSE Před rokem

    Thank you guys. Absolutely clear.

  • @deanrao4805
    @deanrao4805 Před rokem +6

    I only became involved with YT and internet audio/videos about ten years ago. I'd come across some compelling Noam Chomsky audio somewhere and I was looking for more. He still sounds good to me.

  • @ericwedin4154
    @ericwedin4154 Před rokem

    Great troika, very interesting discussion.

  • @r3b3lvegan89
    @r3b3lvegan89 Před rokem +3

    I just can’t get over this I’ve tried…..there has got to be a way to get Chomsky just one time to just pause and then right to the cameras face shout…..YOU SHALLNOT PASS. A dream of mine

    • @rezakarampour6286
      @rezakarampour6286 Před rokem +1

      Search . ' Noam Chomsky : Us is World Biggest Terrorist . '

  • @militaryponnusamy3986

    Fantastic! Its aneye opener!

  • @justcomp1
    @justcomp1 Před rokem

    This was GREAT

  • @sdsa007
    @sdsa007 Před rokem

    very enlightening, so completely ominous.

  • @AQuietNight
    @AQuietNight Před rokem +10

    Vijay Prashad is the gift that keeps on giving. India supported Russia in the Ukraine war
    because India got a juicy discount on the oil Russia sells them.
    India made sure they got a mutual defense pact (in regard to China's expansionist attitudes)
    with the United States and now they want to play defense games with China.
    China does the same with African nations, China gives them nice railroads and sets up
    plantations to grow food for China and next thing you know, these nations line up
    to support China in the UN. China shows money can get you friends.

    • @kianh1903
      @kianh1903 Před rokem

      Expansionist (this & that) country, is derived from agenda western & outside powers who couldn't stand being 'outmatched' in whatever

    • @Western_Decline
      @Western_Decline Před rokem

      You need to de-brainwash yourself.
      Too much anti-China hate.

    • @jacpratt8608
      @jacpratt8608 Před rokem +7

      goose and gander Mehitabel. C'est la vie. USA should think about buying friends with nice railroads instead of bombing then into submission and dumping then?

    • @robertrichard6107
      @robertrichard6107 Před rokem +2

      China shows mutual respect, communication, and diplomacy can get you friends, not self indulgent foreign interest.

    • @AQuietNight
      @AQuietNight Před rokem +1

      @@robertrichard6107 Several of these countries were friends to Taiwan,
      that is until China showed up with wads of cash.
      Money can buy you love.

  • @joseolvera2223
    @joseolvera2223 Před rokem +1

    Great program!!!
    2 World Great Historians and Intellectuals

  • @Bisquick
    @Bisquick Před rokem +8

    35:00 Reminded of Michael Parenti, an excerpt from his piece Mystery: How Wealth Creates Poverty:
    _In their perpetual confusion, some liberal critics conclude that foreign aid and IMF and World Bank structural adjustments “do not work”; the end result is less self-sufficiency and more poverty for the recipient nations, they point out. Why then do the rich member states continue to fund the IMF and World Bank? Are their leaders just less intelligent than the critics who keep pointing out to them that their policies are having the opposite effect?_
    _No, it is the critics who are stupid not the western leaders and investors who own so much of the world and enjoy such immense wealth and success. They pursue their aid and foreign loan programs because such programs do work. The question is, work for whom? Cui bono?_ _The purpose behind their investments, loans, and aid programs is not to uplift the masses in other countries. That is certainly not the business they are in. The purpose is to serve the interests of global capital accumulation, to take over the lands and local economies of Third World peoples, monopolize their markets, depress their wages, indenture their labor with enormous debts, privatize their public service sector, and prevent these nations from emerging as trade competitors by not allowing them a normal development._
    _In these respects, investments, foreign loans, and structural adjustments work very well indeed._
    _The real mystery is: why do some people find such an analysis to be so improbable, a “conspiratorial” imagining? Why are they skeptical that U.S. rulers knowingly and deliberately pursue such ruthless policies (suppress wages, rollback environmental protections, eliminate the public sector, cut human services) in the Third World? These rulers are pursuing much the same policies right here in our own country!_
    _Isn’t it time that liberal critics stop thinking that the people who own so much of the world---and want to own it all---are “incompetent” or “misguided” or “failing to see the unintended consequences of their policies”? You are not being very smart when you think your enemies are not as smart as you. They know where their interests lie, and so should we._
    _"The ultimate hidden truth of the world is that it is something we make and could just as easily make differently."_ - the late great David Graeber
    *Socialism or [continued] barbarism.*

  • @jimburns7549
    @jimburns7549 Před rokem

    Outstanding! Book ordered!

    • @rockinray6197
      @rockinray6197 Před rokem

      C'ome now did you buy the book, really

    • @jimburns7549
      @jimburns7549 Před rokem

      @@rockinray6197 If you don't believe my statement that I ordered it, why would you believe it if I said it twice?

  • @zulqadarrrashid6201
    @zulqadarrrashid6201 Před rokem +1

    Excellent presentation 😊👍
    Thank you 😊 !
    Learnt so much.
    Regards and Respects from Pakistan 🇵🇰🇵🇰

  • @nedkelly8495
    @nedkelly8495 Před rokem +2

    Brilliant. Always. We in NZ hear you loud & clear. Inspiring, illuminating, empowering.

  • @prismbrandingrealestatebra6301

    I admire Noam Chomsky. Glad to see he is still ticking!

  • @merbst
    @merbst Před rokem +3

    Wow, Arielle is good, very talented!

  • @siamcharm7904
    @siamcharm7904 Před rokem +8

    america uses the tonya harding approach to competition named after the ice skater who kneecaped her rival.

    • @robertrichard6107
      @robertrichard6107 Před rokem

      Nuclear Blackmail everytime brain dead Sec. of States repeat 'All options are on the table'.

  • @norman_5623
    @norman_5623 Před rokem +7

    Thank you, CZcams algorithm, for inserting a DCCC fundraising ad with Nancy Pelosi at just the right moment in this video.

  • @deanrao4805
    @deanrao4805 Před rokem +3

    I've been watching DVDs of the 1960s TV series "The Untouchables". The bombastic declarations of the mob bosses depicted in the show remind me of Noam Chomsky's Godfather principle.

    • @kevintewey1157
      @kevintewey1157 Před rokem

      I'm glad some people on the real left starting to get this
      (So many fake left liberals )
      do we understand and
      ... can we explain to others why we are the minions of The Godfather and just as responsible?
      Certainly if you cut off the head of the snake that would work but that is just not possible or advantageous
      the only thing left to change is our cells

    • @voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885
      @voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 Před rokem

      Daniel Hopsicker has a new book to be released next month - entitled, "Gangster Planet"

  • @wendyjoyce5171
    @wendyjoyce5171 Před rokem +7

    The Canadian government is using the method of defunding the single payer health system, which Canadian people love, and now privatization talk is getting louder and louder. It’s sickening.

    • @seansmith3058
      @seansmith3058 Před rokem +1

      I've heard about the changes in Ontario, but is it happening elsewhere?

  • @dr.zoidberg8666
    @dr.zoidberg8666 Před rokem +22

    While I think that Prashad's point at the end of the interview was very well made, I also think that it's a little bit of an understatement.
    My degree is in history & for the last several years I can't help but see similarities between the US & the Ottoman Empire. Like the Ottomans, our decline is entirely avoidable from a strictly materialist perspective... but I think it's also inevitable from a political perspective; which was observed in this discussion.
    It's not that we're lacking in military power or in corporate dominance, it's that our state institutions have become too dysfunctional & self-serving to respond appropriately to the needs of the people or, indeed, to a changing world.
    When I hear people talk about American "fragility," it sounds a lot like "sick man of Europe," to me. And once that perception becomes commonplace, it's very difficult to come back from it.

    • @JohnT.4321
      @JohnT.4321 Před rokem +3

      Really an excellent comment.

    • @justinbozeman9279
      @justinbozeman9279 Před rokem +2

      It is corporate dominance in the social and political realms that have made our institutions dysfunctional for us though. They were never set up to bend over backwards for civil society. Nations are just workshops for capital. Also for the elite it is functioning quite well even if its short term no?

    • @dr.zoidberg8666
      @dr.zoidberg8666 Před rokem

      @@justinbozeman9279 Yeah, of course -- the same happened with the Ottoman Empire's ruling class.
      As time went by & their nominally feudal version of neoliberalism set in, the ruling aristocratic class demanded an increasingly dysfunctional governance in order to satisfy their personal desires.

    • @jacpratt8608
      @jacpratt8608 Před rokem

      @@justinbozeman9279 it sure seems to have turned out that way. People keep saying people have the power. Uncertainty and contradictions the man says.

    • @elsonck2523
      @elsonck2523 Před rokem

      @@jacpratt8608 And like Orwell's doublespeak..."war is peace"

  • @auto_ego
    @auto_ego Před rokem

    I am mad at everyone else in America for not introducing me to Jacobin over a decade ago. At least Lisa Simpson introduced me to Noam Chomsky. Thank you, Lisa. This video is fantastic btw.

  • @aligadelaide9186
    @aligadelaide9186 Před rokem

    G00d to put young and seasoned thinkers

  • @oshinoedan5666
    @oshinoedan5666 Před rokem +4

    Hyped to listen to the dynamic between these 2. One is the one who brought me into leftist and the other is my favorite living.

  • @jame2182
    @jame2182 Před rokem +1

    ARIELLA YOU ARE BRILLIANT!!!

  • @eelkeaptroot1393
    @eelkeaptroot1393 Před rokem

    They are good speakers !

  • @happygucci5094
    @happygucci5094 Před rokem

    The young woman interviewing these two was absolutely brilliant!!

  • @davidwright8432
    @davidwright8432 Před rokem +1

    A stunningly clear analysis and critique of why we are where we are - and likely will never make progress from that situation. Many thanks to all three of you.

  • @mikemccarthy1638
    @mikemccarthy1638 Před rokem +1

    “Fragile, not in decline…” Thanks for that; it’s so true - the ‘fragile’ part - going all the way back.
    Beginning with our origin story, we created a collective defense mechanism to shield our eyes from the otherwise clear evidence of harm done. We settled in to a pattern of child-like responses to the monsters we created, to justify our actions.
    And we wrote our history to embed this meme into our national character - our exceptional ability to identify our enemies, foreign & domestic, as monsters - in support of our never-ending, narcissistic ability to excuse, forgive, forget or deny our bad behavior.
    The realist school of international relations, including Kissinger, has no problem explaining (nor did Howard Zinn, RIP) America has been an empire continuously since its entrepreneurial & political leaders constructively decided about a year after the British-French 1763 Treaty of Paris ending their major war, incl. the French & Indian War in N. America.
    Britain suffered thousands of casualties in its effort to protect its subjects in the Atlantic colonies, depleting its treasury in the process (France also). So the people & govts of both were eager for repose & an end to violence.
    Since the Indians’ consent was key to the treaty’s success, consulting with them, Britain & France realigned & froze in place their claimed territories - thus hopefully ending their aggressive imperial expansion in N. America. Treaty compliance included leaving the Indians alone in a large triangular area bounded, more or less, on the north by the (now) British Canadian territories; on the west by the Mississippi River; and on the east by Appalachian Mountain divide - the western boundary of the Atlantic colonies.
    Even before ten yrs of war, colonial leaders (George Washington, et al.) had been exploring, surveying & assessing the benefits of taking & developing that vast expanse of ‘empty’ land, following the established European nation-state imperial rules then in effect.

    • @mikemccarthy1638
      @mikemccarthy1638 Před rokem

      Continued comment here >>>
      The reader can imagine what happened next - The treaty forbade westward expansion of the 13 colonies into Britain’s claimed land set aside for the Indians. But the colonial elite quickly realized Britain & France were exhausted, unlikely to use force to compel compliance, and that their geographical advantages tipped the scales in favor of the westward expansion they’d planned on all along.
      So began the American imperial exercise in the form of settler colonialism. Beginning in 1764-65, settlers poured west down the Appalachians. France asked Britain to act to enforce the treaty, Parliament agreed & the Crown issued a proclamation forbidding the treaty violations to no effect. Parliament, viewing increasing colonial resistance as a rebellion and responded by enacting a series of ever-stronger sanctions, which the colonies continued to ignore or resist in the decade up to 1774. At this point, as the possibility of armed conflict became imminent, the rebels generated propaganda demonizing King George as a totalitarian monster, even though Britain’s actions almost to the end were administrative, having the support of large numbers of royalists.
      The westward colonial settlers were increasingly attached to taking land forbidden by the treaty & killing Indians. Via their posturing & propaganda, had made their treaty violations recede into the fuzzy historical background and turned their fight into a struggle against British tyranny, personified in a dictatorial King George.
      We’ve been pulling this trick repeatedly ever since to defend & expand the American empire. When we assert the lie that the US has the longest continuous democracy, in the process of writing our origin story, it’s to contrast Britain as the opposing monster determined to suppress colonial freedoms.
      But the truth is, the British Isles endured monstrous events in the century before its Glorious Revolution in 1688-89 - hundreds of thousands of Scots, Welsh, Irish & English were slaughtered, mostly under the reign of the last two Devine-right kings, Charles I and II (who, unsurprisingly, lost their heads). During that this century, Britain’s African slave shipments to N. America expanded, eg, in 1679, Charles II gave the British W. Africa Co. a 1200-yr charter to run the trade. Given that violent century before the Glorious Revolution, when the dust settled in 1689, Devine-right was dead & Parliament controlled the purse-strings - never to be surrendered.
      So, after roughly four-score & seven years of maturing British representative govt, it found itself confronted by rebellious colonial-settlers determined to replicate an imperial path that, in the long run, was in fundamental conflict with the democratic ideal.

  • @MikeFrame
    @MikeFrame Před rokem +4

    at 52:40 I couldn't make out who Noam said was a definitive source for exposing the blockade of UN efforts to facilitate Russian withdrawl.

    • @brianadlich4406
      @brianadlich4406 Před rokem +10

      Cordovez and Harrison. Book is called Out of Afghanistan

  • @Bisquick
    @Bisquick Před rokem +3

    "Fun" fact: In the very movie The Godfather uncoincidentally, there's a scene which appropriately and pretty plainly highlights "the godfather" analogy being elucidated in this interview as they literally slice up a cake with a frosting image of Cuba on top, much like the parallel European antecedent in carving up African spheres of colonial influence. NATO's "offer you can't refuse" covert enforcement in Operation Gladio also alluded to in The Godfather part 3 if I recall, our global "full spectrum domination" masquerading as a "Pax Americana" is but a thin blood-soaked curtain we can all see but to point out, certainly to do anything to _actually change_ , is (as Noam often puts it) "not well to do".
    _"Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce."_ - some guy

  • @akhilleus12
    @akhilleus12 Před rokem

    great interview!

  • @luperamos7307
    @luperamos7307 Před rokem +1

    I like how everyone said "spend, spend, spend" during the pandemic and now nobody can afford to buy a place to live anymore.

  • @Bisquick
    @Bisquick Před rokem +3

    35:00 ish, echoed by Ariella at 54:34 ish - Reminded of Michael Parenti, an excerpt from his piece Mystery: How Wealth Creates Poverty:
    _In their perpetual confusion, some liberal critics conclude that foreign aid and IMF and World Bank structural adjustments “do not work”; the end result is less self-sufficiency and more poverty for the recipient nations, they point out. Why then do the rich member states continue to fund the IMF and World Bank? Are their leaders just less intelligent than the critics who keep pointing out to them that their policies are having the opposite effect?_
    _No, it is the critics who are stupid not the western leaders and investors who own so much of the world and enjoy such immense wealth and success. They pursue their aid and foreign loan programs because such programs do work. The question is, work for whom? Cui bono?_
    _The purpose behind their investments, loans, and aid programs is not to uplift the masses in other countries. That is certainly not the business they are in. The purpose is to serve the interests of global capital accumulation, to take over the lands and local economies of Third World peoples, monopolize their markets, depress their wages, indenture their labor with enormous debts, privatize their public service sector, and prevent these nations from emerging as trade competitors by not allowing them a normal development._
    _In these respects, investments, foreign loans, and structural adjustments work very well indeed._
    _The real mystery is: why do some people find such an analysis to be so improbable, a “conspiratorial” imagining? Why are they skeptical that U.S. rulers knowingly and deliberately pursue such ruthless policies (suppress wages, rollback environmental protections, eliminate the public sector, cut human services) in the Third World? These rulers are pursuing much the same policies right here in our own country!_
    _Isn’t it time that liberal critics stop thinking that the people who own so much of the world---and want to own it all---are “incompetent” or “misguided” or “failing to see the unintended consequences of their policies”? You are not being very smart when you think your enemies are not as smart as you. They know where their interests lie, and so should we._
    It's no coincidence that our bipartisan blackhole "defense" budget passes with ease to implicitly/explicitly enforce this now global financial "order" through the 1,000+ military bases worldwide and toward the perpetual benefit of US corporate/finance capital at the zero-sum cost of the global working class (not to mention the planet that we're consciously destroying at this point...), meanwhile any modest domestic spending bill or god forbid even the most basic of healthcare for the people that actually make the soulless mechanical logic of this life directed/enforced by capitalism at all worth living is callously thrown at the wayside at the mere suggestion.
    The empire feeds off the republic.
    To echo Rosa Luxemburg from 1918 Germany, before of course being executed by the freikorps paramilitary (later becoming the SS, shocker) at the behest of Ebert's ostensibly _social democratic_ SPD party, almost immediately resonating the truth of such a succinct political dichotomy which to this day only continues to reverberate its veracity more firmly:
    *socialism or* [continued] *barbarism*
    _"The ultimate hidden truth of the world is that it is something we make and could just as easily make differently."_ - the late great David Graeber

  • @aronhallam6449
    @aronhallam6449 Před rokem

    what island off of Africa does Noam mention ? i cant hear him

  • @archyology
    @archyology Před rokem +3

    The part where Noam talked about why the Afghanistan war was launched was great. Also very interesting about the middle East nuclear free zone.

    • @robertrichard6107
      @robertrichard6107 Před rokem

      By Dec. 2020 a General on NPR said we're going into Afghanistan to get troops over there to go on to Iraq next.

  • @jeannedouglas9912
    @jeannedouglas9912 Před rokem

    To withdraw or withdrawl that is the question. Peace

  • @Cc-qc7fl
    @Cc-qc7fl Před 11 měsíci

    Who’s in for ultimate chaos, where everyone fend for themselves? Sweet freedom!!!

  • @iart2838
    @iart2838 Před rokem +2

    Young people creating soon many enlightening podcasts they are our hope.

  • @jame2182
    @jame2182 Před rokem +1

    GUNS!!! WEAPONS!!!!
    Pandora Box Has Been Opened
    and it can't be closed yet

  • @ch4rl3magn38
    @ch4rl3magn38 Před rokem

    Thank you for making a lonely Sunday more bearable

  • @davidleahy6141
    @davidleahy6141 Před rokem +1

    Noam missed the true impact of banning sand imports to Taiwan. That is one of the most important exports of Taiwan is silicon computer chips. I may be wrong, but isn't silicon derived from sand?

    • @Torrana
      @Torrana Před rokem

      I had to rewind to check your point bc I heard Chomsky’s preamble about sand, missed the rest and assumed it was about chips, Foxconn plant, etc. I totally agree w you.

  • @BM-rm5pw
    @BM-rm5pw Před rokem +3

    Defund MIC " Military Industrial Complex ". There will be a better, peaceful world.

  • @nagyioan9122
    @nagyioan9122 Před rokem

    so few comments so far and probably not many in perspective. proves that few ppl are willing to accept the truth.

  • @mannibimmel09
    @mannibimmel09 Před rokem +1

    underrated

  • @xenophonexaviervillr5514

    Vijay Prashad mention "journalist profession.". Is there anymore much more important to being good journalist than telling the "WHOLE TRUTH?" Indeed, that what counts more. ..the "REAL TRUTH!"😇

  • @jame2182
    @jame2182 Před rokem +1

    Sand for Taiwan is essential for future growth

  • @ericcarabetta1161
    @ericcarabetta1161 Před rokem +10

    It sure would be nice if we could direct our massive imperial machine to focus it's time, money, and energy on stopping climate change.

    • @thilohesse8883
      @thilohesse8883 Před rokem +2

      Yes! Wouldn't that be grand?

    • @brianwheeldon4643
      @brianwheeldon4643 Před rokem +1

      Great point Eric. From my own perspective lighting the blue touch paper in the global north are the following Insulate Britain, Just Stop Oil and the basis of the movement XR plus BLM, and in europe Last Generation, Save Old Growth Canada, Fireproof Australia, and like minded activists and scientists in Scandinavia, Derniere Renovation in France, Ende Gelande in Germany, to name only a few brilliant movements of human beings in the West. Africa has been suffering and resisting life ending neoliberal capitalism for centuries, the same in Latin America, across Asia, Oceania and Australasian indigenous peoples, never ever forget the indigenous peoples of North America and the Arctic. Sorry, this is clumsily written, and movements not mentioned. Serious Change has to start now. It's going to be critical in 10 to 20 years for all life everywhere.

    • @PsyJaye
      @PsyJaye Před rokem

      It would be nice just to know We COULD Direct our imperial machine to focus on anything that We the People might appreciate and benefit from.. but this dog is off the chain,, Biden et al have slipped the leash.. and putting the leash back on again will be difficult if not impossible without getting bit.. so I say Bite Me & We'll Bite Back

    • @robertrichard6107
      @robertrichard6107 Před rokem

      'need to bitch slap Wall St.

  • @mikemccarthy1638
    @mikemccarthy1638 Před rokem +1

    In the context of this discussion, it’s interesting to watch the “foreign policy” of Elon Musk, beginning in China, then Germany, and now virtually world-wide -with a good deal of autonomy from host govts - as he pursues his main mission of “accelerating (humanity’s) transition to sustainable energy.”
    Two key accomplishments that illustrate Musk’s global strategy were -
    - his decision to persuade Germany to approve his ‘giga-factory’ by locating it near Berlin in Northeastern Germany to facilitate the country’s ~35-yr reunification effort; and
    - his “exceptionally” patient effort to listen to Chinese needs in locating a Giga-factory in Shanghai (w/ expansion options), with the result that he obtained the level of flexibility & autonomy needed to rapidly expand electric vehicle production - without having to merge with a Chinese company or to surrender IP as a condition of doing business there.
    To illustrate, for every mile any Tesla travels in China - before or after being sold - countless gigabytes of data are streamed to the cloud - and out of this security-conscious nation.
    No other foreign automaker has this level of operational autonomy in China.

  • @KennyFlagg
    @KennyFlagg Před rokem

    24 hours of firearm training is one-month of dryfire. That's nuts. You want to *support* the state actors carrying guns then 1/5 of their time should be paid training (deescalation, pedagogy, etc.)

  • @alanchriston6806
    @alanchriston6806 Před rokem

    This is absolutely superb
    😊🏴‍☠️

  • @jame2182
    @jame2182 Před rokem +1

    RESOURCES!
    Alaska citizens own resources.
    Texas corporations own resources.

  • @iart2838
    @iart2838 Před rokem +4

    Homeless camps in major cities says it all about USA.

    • @Zsswimmer1
      @Zsswimmer1 Před rokem

      So do the reeducation camps in China and the absolute poverty (and I mean ABSOLUTE) outside any big city. Chinese poverty is a whole nother beast to US poverty, but with our wealth and technology and people here there isn't a excuse for the homelessness that pervades the us

  • @DhruvDDesai
    @DhruvDDesai Před rokem +2

    Hope the west wakes up soon. The silent majority in US and UK needs to do something before it’s too late. US needs to apologise for all the wrongdoings and start afresh. 99% of US has good ppl. This 1% of US is screwing rest of the 99%.

  • @jimmiller5455
    @jimmiller5455 Před rokem +2

    American imperialism never stops