It's not official for Deathclaw to wear power armor. it's fan made sorry, I just edited it like that , I added that to make the Midwest BOS look more cool , Sorry for the confusion. Also, when I found this image and found out that Deathclaw doesn't wear power armor, it was already after I uploaded the video. Sorry. Next, I'll look into more Fallout knowledge and post it later. Sorry.
@@GamingWithHajimemes what??? They hate super mutant that rampage across commonwealth? And feral ghoul that will eat you on sight? Who would have thought.
@@ciciciaphascain4143 strong, Hancock, curie. Those are the companions that have no problems with humans, yet are discriminated against in the bos. Even paladin Danse, a man loyal to the bos since he was recruited, was shunned or killed by maxson.
It's sad that the Midwest is not seen anymore. It had some pretty awesome stuff. Tactics story really got me hooked, that is once I got over the learning curve that are controls.
I honestly I think the worst thing about the Super Mutants in Fallout 3/4 is that they're entirely motiveless. Sure you could argue they're just trying to make more Super Mutants through kidnapping, but honestly from a surface level playthrough you'd never really think that, they're just big green/yellow monster men with guns. And I'm not trying to say like "Hurrr durrr Bethesda baad where's my daddy the Master" but like, even a simple good/evil/neutral motivation, an actual cause behind Super Mutants, perhaps they're trying to rebuild the East Coast but their rapidly diminishing intellect is making that near impossible, maybe they're under the impression that they're actually helping people by exposing them to FEV, hell maybe they came so far East because smarter mutants/more organized Factions ran them out of the West and they didn't stop until they hit the ocean. But because they lack any actual motivation they're just a 'group of bad guys' to kill, and so Fawkes or Strong both fail to actually have anything to identify with other than being exceptional cases. And so there's no reason not to agree with the BOS when they just turn around and say "Yeah exterminate the mutants, they bad" because the games don't want to give you any reason to make that a choice And I won't even go into my whole spiel of "If you're gonna pick a lane stick to it" with the BOS trying to switch back to a more traditional BOS style
The mutants do have a motivation Survival most of them lack any memories of who they were before fev exposer and are from their perspective dropped into a hellhole where everything tries to kill them on sight and the only things that don't are their own kind? Not saying it's a deep motivation but it's there and pretty clear
eh, i really love chaotic evil enemies. they make for a terrifying presence. honestly, I feel like trying to make your evil team have "motives" is just a cop out to and back out from being what they are, evil.
@magnusx8615 they both had the exact same goal. The extermination of all they deemed mutant and that they would use technology to do it. It's not very far-fetched to say the brotherhood in fallout 4 could end up on the very same path.
@@magnusx8615Not a single brotherhood chapter is out there doing that anymore. They don’t care about taking technology they care about control and extermination.
Yeah but the enclave in 2 would killed the rest of the enclave out east too. It's not like maxon proclaims the gencide of every other remaining bos chaper out west.
@@saco_wea7905 not really, they were the liberal elements of the west coast bos who got sent across the rocky mountains to chase the masters super mutants
I think its more the surprise of seeing combustion engines in Fallout when most everything was Fusion powered, to include the Highwayman, being that you fueled it with fusion cells. Tactics was fucking awesome though and I always loved watching that intro.
Some interesting factors that would explain all this. Maxson back in FO3 and before that was effected by people calling him probably the Last of The Maxsons. The Elders wanted this Maxson to carry the legacy of The First Maxson, Founder of The Brotherhood and Lyons was his mentor. Considering Maxson was with Sarah on the field from an early age Maxson knows only the Filthy of DC. The Mutants of Vault 87 (most of them at least) are ruthless and they show no mercy. Maxson has felt pain. He lost his Mentor and his crush but also Friend Sarah. Maxson is like Anakin.... Maxson witnessed his brothers and sisters die in combat, his friends and perhaps familiar faces (Lone Wanderer perhaps) but let's not forget the Outcasts. Maxson based himself to the Codex due of His name and due of his experiences so far. And he somehow (probably with luck) killed the Deathclaw that gaved people the hope they needed to get from the Maxson Maxson is only 20 years old during FO4 and he carries the Leadership of one of the greatest factions before even become 20 I don't excuse his reasoning to some things, but I understand his logic behind his words and actions to some extent. The Brotherhood tries to get out of a dark time. And Maxson is trying to deal with the death of many His memories though... They make the reason he is like this. He hates the mutants because they made his people risk their life's. He hates perhaps himself a bit because of the incident when he was a kid that night was the reason Sarah died in combat. (Laser wounds are not easy to heal) I hope the Brotherhood in the Future be better...
I hope the brotherhood on the east coast falls under it's own weight, it's lead by purely incompetent yesmen and a wannabe cult leader who betrays his own men, alot like the us government when Roger maxson saw his own men be betrayed and used as science guinea pigs, oh the irony.
I suppose he's a bit like Edward Sallow then who was once a peaceful and curious young man who grew to be a tyrannical and ruthless war monger with his own vision to restore the wasteland
@@mr.tomatohead3709 or... Ya know... A certain country in world war 2... With a certain someone who believed in something but was also hypocritical similar to Maxson...
@@MrMadre made them techno fetish fascist that believe only humans should be alive and able to roam the wastes. So basically maxson is a Hitler 2.0 only against mutants though 🗿
@@Vergil173 the fact that they have said they don't accept anyone other than human they have plans to kill anything thats not human that even means sentient ghouls and mutants they barely tolerate the companions you bring that are mutant's or ghouls and they want to kill danse who loyally served with them for years if they're gonna kill someone who worked with them for years then I don't see them tolerating any sentient ghouls outside of what the sole survivor has as friends.
@@Cocaine_RejeKt Good on them for making those plans Danse is too dangerous to be left alive when they found out he was a synth. Recall codes and there you go the brotherhood is crippled and the player knows afterwards but as for the brotherhoods knowledge who’s to say he wouldn’t short circuit and go on a killing spree when the Institute was blown up or shutdown like a machine would a whole a lot of unknowns and maxon had to make a choice one he said was the HARDEST he’s had to make. As for ghouls anyone one of them can go feral and kill 5 kids two Guards and a civilian before anyone knows what’s going on there not slowing moving afterall. And mutants really? The ghouls yeah I can understand why you might have pity for them but their fate is craved in stone yeah sure it’s not their fault but it shouldn’t mean further deaths because their insides got nuked and their gonna turn zombie later it’s a gray area killing ghouls one side then turn the other you wait until then turn maybe lose human lives and then kill them they die no matter what that’s fallout for you super hard choices. mutants 99.7% of them when drag your family away eat them in front of you and laugh. The fallout series is brutal on top of brutal with brutal icing on top Kill the synths their unknowns and openly hostile robots with skin and programming ferals bullet to the head ghouls it’s up to the player the brotherhood deals with it but they will be a threat sooner or later and mutants there really truly isn’t a reason to even talk about it when 99.7% of them will eat you like a feral are you a Normal fallout character really gonna try and make nice sure a player sure they can reload the game but in an npcs eyes yeah shot on site and hope more don’t follow.
The BoS and Maxson are cool and all... but we all know that the Enclave is our place and Colonel Autumn is our guy. God bless America, God bless the Enclave.
I mean let's put things into perspective here, the East Coast Brotherhood hasn't met any good Super mutants. And out of all of that exist on the east coast there's only four good ones that we know of. Fawkes, Uncle Leo, Erickson, and Strong. With both Fawkes and Strong showing that they're still aggressive despite being reasonable. They have been in at least two wars with the Super Mutants of the Captial Wasteland. While Lyons was right to the fight against the mutants to save the people, it also nearly broke the entire chapter and caused a significant portion to split off. So Lyons' war against the Super Mutants would be unpopular outside of those most loyal to him. Even then some of those disagreed with the war but did it because he was the Elder. The second war saw Sarah Lyons die in battle against the mutants and who knows how many else. But it put an end to the mutant threat in Capital Wastes for good. With those reasons it is no wonder why the East Coast Brotherhood became zealots in wanting all mutants gone because all they do is kill. Same with Feral Ghouls which are mindless monsters that attack anything that moves. And no one knows what causes a Ghoul to become feral either. The Brotherhood also doesn't have any real information on what a synth is beyond what the Commonwealth knows and that's being humanoid machines that are being used to replace people. When they're more like clones with a chip in their head.
How about the ghouls they did nothing wrong to the point I’m pretty sure some of them Will agree with unchecked technology will destroy the world because some of them witness the war firsthand
@@angryconfusedcrusader670It has just lousy Bethesda story character enhancements as you've seen in dozens of unrealistic movies about wonder kids that are great at everything, then they grow up and save the world...
Why is there a deathclaw wearing power armor? I thought the enclave(god bless the enclave and no one else) were the ones that trained deathclaws. And how does it fit in the power armor? Aren’t deathclaws like twice the size of a regular human?
It's not official for Deathclaw to wear power armor. it's fan made sorry, I just edited it like that , I added that to make the Midwest BOS look more cool , Sorry for the confusion. Also, when I found this image and found out that Deathclaw doesn't wear power armor, it was already after I uploaded the video. Sorry. Next, I'll look into more Fallout knowledge and post it later. Sorry.
To add on to Captain Enclave's response, the Enclave didn't just tame deathclaws. They made an entirely new species of sentient deathclaws, able to speak and think for themselves. They made their own colony and even allowed humans to integrate into it with them. They were mostly wiped out by Frank Horrigan (the Enclave made customized power armor for him and he was almost the size of a super mutant behemoth) but at the very least two of them survived, both male. One of the creators confirmed that the sentient gene is carried by the males, so it's canon that they could come back in future games. Tactics took this idea and made the Midwest BOS more open minded, allowing ghouls, super mutants, and even sentient deathclaws into their ranks, so its possible that that particular fan art would actually exist in the Fallout universe. Even though Tactics isn't really confirmed as canon, I like to believe it is lol.
Like my sugar daddy Goris, they defected. It's not out of line to think defected Smart DC's didnt live their own lives or came accross the BOS. BOS: Shooting at DC DC: GUYS WAIT, I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU THESE POWER CORES BOS: Did.... did that lizard just.... okay we're definitely teaming up with them.
Now that I think about it, f2 enclave and f4 Bos are really similar, Both are a large military based powers who also share a distain towards mutants, both are fine with genocide, (far harbour synths and the whole world ) F4 Bos is just a watered down enclave.
@@Alex-pj8nz And the Enclaves right. America will never be America until mutated scum is gone. And before you start with the excuses, Frank Horrigan was an exception to that rule. The man was a decorated war hero and what happened to him wasn't his fault. The least we as true Americans could do was help him as much as possible.
@@zombie1attackBOS Funniest thing I ever read was the media blaming Fallout 4 for a mass shooting because the killer posted that quote on his fb and Nick Valentine said it once.
@@EnclaveSgt wh-what? My feeble brain can not comprehend that... they knew that a toaster in a video game said it, and not Oppenheimer, who had saw the first detonation of the nuclear bomb...
East coast BoS recruit people who suffered from supermutans raids for 200 years, and arthur grow up in settlement under constant risk of raids from vault 87 mutants, its not surprising they have problems with ghouls and mutants that BoS members who lived in west coast not have
The Midwest BOS couldn't even kill super mutants without taking catastrophic losses. The Midwest BOS is also much more small. Pick a scavenger in New Vegas and pit that against a BOS Knight and that's about the difference between the two factions. Basic BOS Initiates in Midwest are leather jacket wearing gangsters little better than petty raiders. While the ones on the east side all have laser rifles.
@@genericscout5408 They just don't have enough credit yet to use a laser weapon, because you know the saying. ''If you damage or break the technology that we have given them, to the well''
1:04 I like the idea of taming a Deathclaw, and it makes sense for them to tame one. While they don't have the best relationship with mutated creatures, they have the technology to tame one. The NCR would if they could, but lack readily-available technology to do so. And the Enclave... is the Enclave. They'd just get a Hellfire unit to tame the mutant scum with fire.
A cool Fallout sequel I would like to see is them going to Chicago for the next one and retconning Fallout tactics to fit their lore since it's not "canon". It could take place in Chicago, with some outer-city Midwest locations to explore like in Fallout Tactics. They could bring back the enclave and resurface that old lore with the military base they have out there and make it basically like the last surviving chapter of the enclave. Just like in Fallout 4, you can join factions and build them. You can play a role in building the enclave up again. We know Bethesda loves the Brotherhood and even threw them into Fallout 76. They could bring them back again, but the midwestern style BOS, which has a different approach to them since they're akin to bringing mutants, ghouls, and wasteland tribals into their brotherhood, which would make them different from the fascist brotherhood of steel, lol. I remember watching an Oxhorn cover FO Tactics lore and he said the only plausible ending they could use if they were ever to bring back the Midwest Brotherhood is where the war with the calculator led them to sacrifice a lot and they basically needed to start over again, so during that time, the east coast and west wouldn't hear about them for years, and in this hypothetical Fallout 5, when we play as whoever, they're kinda on their feet again and control a good sub-section of Chicago and have outposts around like the NCR and watch over citizens and whatnot. The rest could be up for interpretation for the rest of the factions and the end goal.
I wouldn't want a retcon of Tactics, maybe a reimagining of it where there was a massive robot war against the brotherhood which is left in shambles in the region.
@@NemFXTo me it would honestly make more sense for the MW to be the ones to settle into the East Coast. It’s way closer to DC and Boston than California is by a long shot, it would bring plausibility to the Capitol chapter’s more humanitarian and open ideas of outsiders, but it would also be way cooler than anything Emil and Todd could ever come up with too. If they just would’ve set the time back a lot in terms of when the games take place, say a few years after Tactics, it would be a lot better writing and world-wise in my opinion.
A shame they never reused Tactics BoS, I think they are one of the most interesting factions in the fallout franchise, they arent exactly good or pure evil either (but they are actually closer to being evil), I would describe them as pragmatic since none of their actions take morals into acount They recreuit pretty much everyone who is willing to join them including ghouls, super mutants even intelligent deathclaws and sapient robots (wich means they would recruit synths too if they could), but they dont to this because they are just tolerant, they do it because they need as much manpower as they can get They also bring order and protection to the region And at the same time these are the same guys that have slaves, concentration camps (called forced labor camps or gulars by some npcs), a secret police that exists to silence anyone who could taint the midwest BoS reputation (called inquisitors in game), they even crucify their enemies as a warning for anyone who tries to challenge them When you think about it the midwest BoS could easily be the main antagonists in another game but since you play as them in tactics they are the protagonists
My head cannon for there amror is that They had Enclave amror and spliced with bos tech thats the only way i can think of for why there helmet is literally the x-02 black devil
The Brotherhood began because Roger Maxson decided he couldn’t allow scientists at Mariposa to turn people into super mutants. Maybe change is necessary for survival, but not to the degree of recruiting super mutants and subverting the entire point of your order
If you follow Barnaky's commands in Tactics, the Brotherhood won't accept ghouls, nor super-mutants. Similar thing for the Deathclaws. Also, it took Marcus a fight with Jacob to set aside his hostility. When they met, Marcus was a soldier from the army of the defeated Master, and Jacob was a knight from the Brotherhood. According to Marcus, they fought hand to hand for hours, until they were unable to continue... then they laughed it off and became best buds.
I think Minneapolis / mn / Duluth would be a cool place for another fallout. Frontiers like new Vegas, But wooded and cold. Could do some cool supernatural stuff in the woods and there would be plenty of military presence in the area.
Interesting Idea wanna Join my Team? I'm developing just that Marcus and I'm open to everyones ideas to this Project. I've been working on this for awhile and would love more input from another fellow Fallout Fan's from mn. I've got a few ideas about the Twin City's. I've mainly been working on Faction's and Mutant Animals
I never sided with BoS in fallout 4, I knew about the synths but I don’t remember any of this other stuff about cleansing the wasteland like the enclave. Maxson sounded like Frank horrigan talking about cleansing the earth of mutties.
Real talk what the hell happen after fallout 3 he want from a boy who can learn in to a dick who will order someone to be shot in a firing line and yes the whole clean the boston bull starting sound like enclave like did they now learn from their enamy they fought
No. No the Brotherhood of Steel under Elder Maxson is not evil. There are much more militant and proactive but they are not evil. Elder Maxson was more or less raised by Elder Maxson and the Brotherhood Knights at the Citadel, and he has more or less combined the mission of the Brotherhood of Steel with Elder Lyon's creed of actively pursuing threats to the citizens of the Wastes; Feral Ghouls, Super Mutants, Raiders. However the downside of Elder Lyon's leadership and style of command left the Brotherhood in danger of breaking completely due to lack of manpower, forward thinking, and inability to create stability inside of the Capital Wasteland. Eventually he died and his daughter Sarah Lyon's took control of the Brotherhood only to fall in action, my personal theory is that she was assassinated by some more Orthodox members of the Brotherhood who sought to make an end of the Lyon's line, and eventually Maxson was made Elder of the Capital Chapter. Having proven himself in combat already Maxson then further solidified the Brotherhood's mission and forces by reuniting the Brotherhood Outcasts into the Main chapter as well as greatly expanding in Elder Lyon's mission. He began to recruit openly, his scribes began to recreate Enclave armor and weapons tech as well as study the creatures of the wastes for medicinal uses. This expansion in man power and tech allowed him to destroy Shepard's Super Mutant Army, or at least I believe that was Elder Maxson I am a bit fuzzy on the timeline of that event, and create an Ordenstatt out of the Capital Wasteland. Cue some years later and his recon teams report in to what may be the largest danger Humanity has faced since the Great War. An amoral group of scientists have pushed science to far in the wrong direction creating Synthetic Humans, Humans that have been proven to be able to be controlled with singular code phrases. These walking talking Manchurian Agents are a Pre-War fear made manifest and so much worse. We see these agents in action and the absolute damage they can do to civilization in both the Broken Mask incident as well as what Mayor McDonough did in Diamond City. So this 20 year old Elder, who we can discover has become a heavy imbiber of both Whiskey and Tobacco, seeks to **protect** the people of the Commonwealth and comes storming in on his Great Prdwyin. Now many people point towards the Requisitioning of Supplies sidequest as proof of the Brotherhood being evil, despite the fact that the Resident Paladin approves of paying the Settlers substantially for the supplies as well as being an unofficial and unsanctioned under the board mission by the Quartermaster. And we have never seen the Brotherhood kill or injure a non Feral Ghoul so I am honestly not sure where that conjecture comes from. Now granted the Brotherhood does have issues, they are dogmatic, authoritarian (as befitting an Ordenstatt), and arrogant. They turn too quickly on one of their best and greatest members, though granted considering just what fears the Gen 3 Synths invoke and the damage they can do the Paranoia can perhaps be forgiven, and are derisive at best towards *outstanding* companions such as Mayor John Hancock (The . . .what 3rd most powerful and influential man in the Commonwealth behind Maxson and the General?) and and Detective Nick Valentine. If I HAD to place them on the Alignment chart then I would place them squarely on Lawful Neutral or lawful good.
@@weegeeclaus695 I’ve always seen the BoS as a lawful neutral faction until fallout 3 and 4. They only helped themselves, retroactively helping others in the wastes. Fallout 3 they’re completely out of character being lawful good even outright overtly helping out the wasteland with project purity. Fallout 4 they’re lawful evil. The commonwealth BoS is an authoritarian regime with citizens that are filled with religious dogma that believe that all mutants need to be cleansed and that they’re above the lowly settlers of the wasteland. In Fallout 3 the BoS of the capital wasteland shot all ghouls on sight, with the commonwealth BoS being from the capital wasteland we can assume they also do. They even treat Hancock very similarly to Valentine if you bring him to the Prydwen. They absolutely hate *all* nonhumans. Non feral ghouls, feral ghouls as well as the synths and super mutants we know they’re against. The BoS has always wanted to protect people of the wastes but in the worst way possible. They’re the inverse of give a man a fish you feed him for a day, if you teach a man to fish you fed him for life. They don’t want to educate people on how to properly use technology to help the people of the wastes protect themselves and improve their lives. The BoS has only wanted tech for themselves because their religion makes them truly believe they are the only people on the planet left that can responsibly keep and use this technology even though it can change the wastes forever like we see in Fallout 3.
@@trost7860 the super mutants and feral ghouls can't be reasoned with and the institute are evil, there is literally nothing wrong with fallout 4s brotherhood morally
Yeah the BOS wants to cleanse all mutants, it was the same in Fallout 3. The game just made exceptions for player companions. The BOS in Fallout 1/2 were more neutral towards the mutants though. Fallout tactics even had them enlist mutants in their ranks. Fallout 3 and Fallout 4+ are where they hate the muties. Fallout 76 can't be canon though since Fallout 1 BOS only met mutants like 100 years after 76.
Also the way that pladin dance says about the mutants it was because he had a friend and he went missing and then they found him at a mutants hive where they put him in the F.E.V virus making him a super mutant that's why he hates them (also if your confused about this go to search The unity ending and watch you will learn more about it)
I love Tactics it is one of my favorite games because it has a open brotherhood a good major faction in the wasteland looking out for itself while also looking out for others that want to offer themselves to protect others!
I think this is a smart path to take narratively for the BOS, having what was essentially a perfect faction turn into a dictatorship because of Maxon. Him having influenced the rest of the brotherhood would mean that it wouldn’t really matter if he dies in 4 or not because everyone would already be sided with him, and if it comes up in dialogue the player would just mention that “[they] heard he is alive/dead” and the story would roll with that even though the BOS would be solidified in opinion either way. It would make the ethical decisions of future games way more interesting as well as create an overarching “big bad” for the series to have. The Midwest BOS could just split off as a splinter faction that opposed the new regime, along with members of 3’s BOS and any of the other good members of the faction.
What are you talking about? By your logic Lyons brotherhood is also a dictatorship. Elder is the highest rank in the brotherhood, they are the leaders. Why is it wrong for Maxson to be a leader of his chapter?
Is so sad that BOS before fall of Enclave was seen as the heroic faction that defends all wastlanders, but after Enclave the BOS was more like villians and the enclave itself.
I wonder if that’s the point, not just a retcon or something, but a purposeful decision to illustrate that more power, more authority, more tech will always drive people into apathy and violence
I don’t see where their a villain in anyway. Not once did they order you to kill a ghoul at any point in any of the games so far. Mutants kill us mindless ghouls kill us the gen 1,2 kill everyone on sight. BOS is fighting the major threats to any human saving us.
I love the Enclave, but the Fallout 4 Brotherhood is effectively them without nuance. The Enclave wanted a pure world, but they still understood the preservation of humanity, and charity. I say this due to the existence of the Capital Wasteland Enclave and the ideal image of them being led by Colonel Autumn. That would be the best fate for the wasteland, truly.
Without nuance?? They want to kill mutants and ghouls and The Enclave want to wipe out all of humanity that isn’t them 😭😭 Fighting for a pure world was not nuanced. The Enclave are the “evil” faction and there is a reason you can never join them. They’re a really cool faction and you SHOULD be able to join them, there may be some logic to their goal too. But in what way are they more nuanced than the BoS in Fallout 4 - who I admittedly don’t know as much about?? The Enclave engaged in slavery and murder just as a means to an end. This is such glorification of The Enclave, which I’m all for but this seems very unironic.
Midwest BOS was inherently open minded as they needed to fight the Calculator which was the worst threat ever to face the Wasteland, alone and far away from other chapters in the Cheyanne Mountains. The Enclave and Master were literally small potatoes compared to an undying robot army that actually has Hellion bombers and Behemoth mechs with 50 cal machine guns. I firmly believe the canon ending was the one where they completely destroyed the Calculator and thus could not recover after such losses. That is why they are comparatively weak by time New Vegas comes around. Caesar even pointed out he captured some BoS scribes who don't even know who a Maxson is. And to be fair, the Mid West BOS probably really don't like the Maxsons and their exile.
Maxon: It’s a abomination kill anything that’s not human or does not accepts our rule, we are saving humanity Lyons: that sounds a lot like a ENCLAVE SYMPATHIZER. Maxon: unfortunately for you, history will not see it that way.
To be fair to Maxson, there's single-digit numbers of non-hostile Super Mutants on the East Coast that we know of and THOUSANDS of the usual, brutish, savage mutants we're familiar with in Fallouts 3 and 4. If you grew up only ever seeing those mutants, I can see why you'd believe they all need to be exterminated.
Put on top what they would have saw when they were hunting after the supermutant remnants of the super mutant army from the master in the west as they fleed east into DC. A path a death burned through the waste as they were flying after them seeing the destruction
Other than 3 and tactics, the bos has always been about holding technology. Just now woth the enclave out of the picture they are turning on mutants and doubling down on their technological repression and xenophobia. Honestly I think an amazing fallout game could be had where you are a member of an advanced group that helps the wasteland ur in. U spend first 1/3 of the game fighting raiders and providing technologies to settlements. Then boom in come the BoS to get rid of all your technology and wipe your group from the map for being so evil as to develop new tech.
@@jager2749 Thank you. One thing I kinda skimmed over is I think it would be best if you where a member of the enclave. Maybe in the Midwest, a smaller but still technologically advanced group except considering how the enclave has fared there's been a schism in the group. So the first 1/3 also would involve trying to either make peace between, destroy one side or get one side to more or less fully join the other again. But while your working on that, the BoS arrive and see how the enclave is here helping people and how there's mutants and all sorts of other disgusting to them things. Maybe have small groups of peaceful Nightkin and Supermutants like FONV. But the BoS seeing the Supermutants and others as the mostly East Coast kind. So now the BoS are really worked up. Not only are there Supermutants here, but the Enclave fractured with some either subjecting while the other help. Come to think about it... I just described Skyrim essentially. Not exactly but a somewhat similar plot. Still be hecking fun to experience if handled right an not like FO4 story choices lol
You have to understand. Marcus is a “sane” super mutant, the ones in Fort Strong are like the others you find throughout the commonwealth, bloodthirsty monsters who want to feast on humans and other’s remains.
@@spiderham5514 people are extremely suggestable, but they arent "program your entire being" suggestable. Being born immortal would be quite the hell to live too
midwest BOS makes sense with regards to using tech to help and making sure no villains can use it for evil- where as the fallout 4 BOS might as well be the enclave
There is a reason why tactics isn't cannon ,by the end of the game that BOS can wipe down the enclave ,the institute and all other Bos chapters togheter without breaking a sweat
The differences between different Brotherhood Chapters is really interesting to me. They all sort of do their own thing and interpret their role in different ways. I find this to be quite cool. Thinking about it the East Coast Brotherhood has a lot in common with the Enclave. I quite like them though for being like this.
Fun fact: The helmet is the only part of the midwest power armor that is different from the original T-51b PA You can see BoS knights wearing the classic power armor during the intro cutscene of fallout tactics, it looks exactly the same as the tactics power armor with the only difference being the helmet
The fallout 4 Brotherhood looks more like a cult of personality than an army of people trying to presurve the future when you tak a step back with all the information available.
Actually, if you think of it, Brotherhood's crusade will give humans a safe big place to live if succeds. Harsh times deserve harsh army and they are just the guys to do it.
The Midwest brotherhood is the best BOS I've never even played tactics and I know this they help everyone and understand that they need to help people to survive not cower in their bunkers hoarding technology or purge the wastes like the enclave they fought so hard.
Fallout 4 BOS is correct. A lot of times the right choice is the more painful one. Just because they're are anomaly supermutants that are friendly doesn't absolve the fact most are evil.
Too bad it's all a retarded red herring because, as established in the diplomatic ending to Fallout 1, the super mutants are sterile and have no actual way of proliferating themselves so they're not a long term threat anyway.
Let's hope for Fallout 5 or at least a Fallout faction spin off. Hopefully give us a Brotherhood that is similar to tactics or given a chance to have ghouls and super mutants in the ranks. I want more dialogue choices for the rpg no more voice protagonists. Good video buddy keep up the good work. Maybe we can get a mod to fill this idea out one day.
I remember the inteligent death claws from f2 if they ever make a comeback it would be so cool to see them allied with some lost shard of BoS of course being lost from the main BoS faction ran by maxson they may not have his same ideas regarding mutants but still have their tech so they being allied with inteligent death claws of all things makes them even if small in numbers a force to be reckon with
Its funny cause even in fallout 4 theres a recruitable super mutant. Youd think youd be able to vouch for the muties and say not everyone is bad, especially the ghouls
i played through fallout 4 as my first fallout and then went and got fallout 3 and new vegas, i was very weary and more destructive than i needed to be on my first playthroughs of the older games, fallout 4 has a completely different image of the brotherhood and I never like it
I just wasn't good at Tactics or Jagged Alliance or anything involving tactics. Now I'm playing Wasteland 3 with a friend, and soon, I may give it one more try.
There's a reason the chicago chapter has made efforts to rebuff communication attempts from the rest of the organisation atm. Maxson is the worst thing to happen to the BOS in a while. Hopefully we can course correct back towards their former nobility (which was originally in F4 but was cut, I like to restore it with mods and introduce Maxson to a mini-buke before becoming Elder).
The east coast BOS nearly broke protecting a few scattered settlements full of ungrateful wastelanders and fought thankless wars on their behalf, suffering and seeing many die along the way. It's understandable then that when Maxon came of age, being surrounded by death and war and suffering and wastelanders who'd rob and kill him as soon as talk to him, he and the chapter as a whole became embittered. It makes sense that when he took over, he'd cancel these wars, leave the wastelanders to their fate, still recruit those who were willing and able and did what needed to be done to make the brotherhood thrive. And thrive, they have. They operate a fleet of vertibirds from a mobile FOB, the Prydwin and are able to conduct a war on a large scale. Like it or not, Maxon's methods work, and why should they care for the mutants? 99.99% of supermutants on the east coast are barely concious bloodthirsty monsters and exterminating them to the last is a favor to litterally everybody else, clearing out the raiders and feral ghouls makes life better for those who live in the commonwealth. Sure the brotherhood are dicks, but that's the only kinda way to build a real state. A strong hand that can destroy threats and keep people safe. Especially in a cruel place like the wasteland
Same here, and it makes sense because in Fallout 2 and New Vegas, it's shown that they're withering and decaying because they're stuck in their old beliefs (being xenophobic, isolationist and just keeping technology away from mankind). But they made compromises. Such as the FO2 BOS coexisting with the NCR. The FO3 and FT BOS opening to outsiders and FNV BOS finally lifting the lockdown "We have to embrace change to survive"
Different Chapters have different responses to the situation, as much as 4 paints the BOS as just discount Enclave, you can see it in your own perspective where Maxson is doing all of this cos his name is renown in the BOS thus sticking to the book more than anyone else Midwest BOS doesn't have a Maxson and desperate situations require desperate measures thus allowing the recruitment of outsiders New Vegas BOS got fucked by the NCR so they're kinda fucked in the middle of a shit flinging contest between a bunch of furry larpers and a self proclaimed army thats over-extended beyond what they're capable of holding, and Mr House and then 1 and 2 BOS are more on the mysterious preacher side where they like to be left alone but if you show potential you can get their cool tech, plus the Enclave are a thing in 2 so it makes sense for the BOS to be more active than hidden
It's not official for Deathclaw to wear power armor. it's fan made sorry,
I just edited it like that , I added that to make the Midwest BOS look more cool , Sorry for the confusion.
Also, when I found this image and found out that Deathclaw doesn't wear power armor,
it was already after I uploaded the video. Sorry. Next, I'll look into more Fallout knowledge and post it later. Sorry.
The changes on the BOS in fallout 4 does make it easier for the enclave to insert someone inside.
it's a cool idea to put deathclaws in power armor. We could use that. Sadly it probably wouldn't work
@@EnclaveSgt but we have super mutant power armor!
@@EnclaveSgt putting a deathclaw in power armor is the same as teaching a chimp to use a gun and letting it loose into a local Walmart.
@@zombie1attackBOS the results would be similar... beautiful devastation
People complained about the Fallout 3 Brotherhood being too nice, so they made them assholes again in Fallout 4.
Meanwhile in 1 and 2 they were just basically preachers, a more secretive version of the enclave: unknown and mysterious.
I feel they could pull off them hating synths, but ghouls, and mutants too? Feels like a real big stretch to me....
@@GamingWithHajimemes what??? They hate super mutant that rampage across commonwealth? And feral ghoul that will eat you on sight? Who would have thought.
@@ciciciaphascain4143 they hate ALL ghouls, and ALL super mutants. Not just ferals, or tribals. But the smarter mutants, or the more human ghouls.
@@ciciciaphascain4143 strong, Hancock, curie. Those are the companions that have no problems with humans, yet are discriminated against in the bos. Even paladin Danse, a man loyal to the bos since he was recruited, was shunned or killed by maxson.
It's sad that the Midwest is not seen anymore. It had some pretty awesome stuff.
Tactics story really got me hooked, that is once I got over the learning curve that are controls.
To the mod shop in fallout 4 we go to
In fnv it's heavily implied that Caesars legion is fighting the mid Western brotherhood
Well they still exist and it's been implied in all the games they're in Chicago still fighting the enclave during fallout 4s story
we need midwest fallout with midwest emo music
@Founder of the Empire it has never been implied that the Midwest BOS are fighting the Enclave.
I honestly I think the worst thing about the Super Mutants in Fallout 3/4 is that they're entirely motiveless. Sure you could argue they're just trying to make more Super Mutants through kidnapping, but honestly from a surface level playthrough you'd never really think that, they're just big green/yellow monster men with guns.
And I'm not trying to say like "Hurrr durrr Bethesda baad where's my daddy the Master" but like, even a simple good/evil/neutral motivation, an actual cause behind Super Mutants, perhaps they're trying to rebuild the East Coast but their rapidly diminishing intellect is making that near impossible, maybe they're under the impression that they're actually helping people by exposing them to FEV, hell maybe they came so far East because smarter mutants/more organized Factions ran them out of the West and they didn't stop until they hit the ocean.
But because they lack any actual motivation they're just a 'group of bad guys' to kill, and so Fawkes or Strong both fail to actually have anything to identify with other than being exceptional cases. And so there's no reason not to agree with the BOS when they just turn around and say "Yeah exterminate the mutants, they bad" because the games don't want to give you any reason to make that a choice
And I won't even go into my whole spiel of "If you're gonna pick a lane stick to it" with the BOS trying to switch back to a more traditional BOS style
So what you're saying is Preston Garvey is right? What a nightmare.... (It's either that or joining the railroad)
The mutants do have a motivation
Survival most of them lack any memories of who they were before fev exposer and are from their perspective dropped into a hellhole where everything tries to kill them on sight and the only things that don't are their own kind?
Not saying it's a deep motivation but it's there and pretty clear
The Master was rigth
eh, i really love chaotic evil enemies. they make for a terrifying presence. honestly, I feel like trying to make your evil team have "motives" is just a cop out to and back out from being what they are, evil.
@@gpheonix1 although the institute is more "stupid evil" if you ask me. While the BoS feels sort of similar in some cases in 4.
midwestern BOS: "We all cool"
Fallout 4 BOS: "maybe the Enclave had a point"
You get hints of that from old BoS lore from how the BoS formed in the first place.
those who hate Fallout 2's enclave but love Fallout 4's brotherhood are hypocrates.
The BoS in 4 are just the Great Vaule version of the Enclave
Yes because using the Modified FEV to literally kill everything on the surface and Fight for Humanity / recovering tech is the same thing.
@magnusx8615 they both had the exact same goal. The extermination of all they deemed mutant and that they would use technology to do it. It's not very far-fetched to say the brotherhood in fallout 4 could end up on the very same path.
@@magnusx8615Not a single brotherhood chapter is out there doing that anymore. They don’t care about taking technology they care about control and extermination.
Yeah but the enclave in 2 would killed the rest of the enclave out east too. It's not like maxon proclaims the gencide of every other remaining bos chaper out west.
Midwestern is the most based BoS
undeniable fact
Sadly, they were expansive like the ncr and that was the reason the midwest bos banished.
@@saco_wea7905 not really, they were the liberal elements of the west coast bos who got sent across the rocky mountains to chase the masters super mutants
Very deniable opinion lol
@@CHRISTOSANESTI2023 did you watch the video
Indeed very close to being the moast based faction in general
ngl, Maxson sure sounded like something the Enclave would say 🤔
The Enclave is where any power armored authoritarian group leads.
- Surprised to see cars in fallout
Highwayman: Am I a joke to you
I think its more the surprise of seeing combustion engines in Fallout when most everything was Fusion powered, to include the Highwayman, being that you fueled it with fusion cells. Tactics was fucking awesome though and I always loved watching that intro.
@@themidnightanimal1555 Reminds me of the Borderlands 1 Intro always a banger
Some interesting factors that would explain all this.
Maxson back in FO3 and before that was effected by people calling him probably the Last of The Maxsons.
The Elders wanted this Maxson to carry the legacy of The First Maxson, Founder of The Brotherhood and Lyons was his mentor.
Considering Maxson was with Sarah on the field from an early age Maxson knows only the Filthy of DC. The Mutants of Vault 87 (most of them at least) are ruthless and they show no mercy.
Maxson has felt pain. He lost his Mentor and his crush but also Friend Sarah. Maxson is like Anakin....
Maxson witnessed his brothers and sisters die in combat, his friends and perhaps familiar faces (Lone Wanderer perhaps) but let's not forget the Outcasts.
Maxson based himself to the Codex due of His name and due of his experiences so far. And he somehow (probably with luck) killed the Deathclaw that gaved people the hope they needed to get from the Maxson
Maxson is only 20 years old during FO4 and he carries the Leadership of one of the greatest factions before even become 20
I don't excuse his reasoning to some things, but I understand his logic behind his words and actions to some extent.
The Brotherhood tries to get out of a dark time.
And Maxson is trying to deal with the death of many
His memories though... They make the reason he is like this.
He hates the mutants because they made his people risk their life's.
He hates perhaps himself a bit because of the incident when he was a kid that night was the reason Sarah died in combat. (Laser wounds are not easy to heal)
I hope the Brotherhood in the Future be better...
*Historical ironic references intensifies*
I hope the brotherhood on the east coast falls under it's own weight, it's lead by purely incompetent yesmen and a wannabe cult leader who betrays his own men, alot like the us government when Roger maxson saw his own men be betrayed and used as science guinea pigs, oh the irony.
I suppose he's a bit like Edward Sallow then who was once a peaceful and curious young man who grew to be a tyrannical and ruthless war monger with his own vision to restore the wasteland
@@mr.tomatohead3709 or... Ya know... A certain country in world war 2... With a certain someone who believed in something but was also hypocritical similar to Maxson...
@@maximnikolaev6627 you can say Hitler
In short, Bethesda took the BoS and made them into the Enclave
How?
@@MrMadre made them techno fetish fascist that believe only humans should be alive and able to roam the wastes. So basically maxson is a Hitler 2.0 only against mutants though 🗿
BOS kill ferals, mutants and gen 1-3 and that’s it enclave kills everything under the sun. How did your brain come up with that.
@@Vergil173 the fact that they have said they don't accept anyone other than human they have plans to kill anything thats not human that even means sentient ghouls and mutants they barely tolerate the companions you bring that are mutant's or ghouls and they want to kill danse who loyally served with them for years if they're gonna kill someone who worked with them for years then I don't see them tolerating any sentient ghouls outside of what the sole survivor has as friends.
@@Cocaine_RejeKt Good on them for making those plans Danse is too dangerous to be left alive when they found out he was a synth. Recall codes and there you go the brotherhood is crippled and the player knows afterwards but as for the brotherhoods knowledge who’s to say he wouldn’t short circuit and go on a killing spree when the Institute was blown up or shutdown like a machine would a whole a lot of unknowns and maxon had to make a choice one he said was the HARDEST he’s had to make. As for ghouls anyone one of them can go feral and kill 5 kids two Guards and a civilian before anyone knows what’s going on there not slowing moving afterall. And mutants really? The ghouls yeah I can understand why you might have pity for them but their fate is craved in stone yeah sure it’s not their fault but it shouldn’t mean further deaths because their insides got nuked and their gonna turn zombie later it’s a gray area killing ghouls one side then turn the other you wait until then turn maybe lose human lives and then kill them they die no matter what that’s fallout for you super hard choices. mutants 99.7% of them when drag your family away eat them in front of you and laugh. The fallout series is brutal on top of brutal with brutal icing on top Kill the synths their unknowns and openly hostile robots with skin and programming ferals bullet to the head ghouls it’s up to the player the brotherhood deals with it but they will be a threat sooner or later and mutants there really truly isn’t a reason to even talk about it when 99.7% of them will eat you like a feral are you a Normal fallout character really gonna try and make nice sure a player sure they can reload the game but in an npcs eyes yeah shot on site and hope more don’t follow.
Man remember when you could actually repair and use a car in Fallout 2. Good times 👍
In Tactics, you get to drive several vehicles in missions. Including tank, with actual gun.
@@lokalnyork Nice, haven't played Tactics yet.
i would but my pc won't let me which is sad
@@lokalnyork now that's what I call powered armor
@@hoi4fan120Wait what? I swear you could run tactics on a phone. What's wrong with your PC?
Tactics: "We follow the bro code: Man, women, or mutant to our cause is a worthy man."
Fallout 4: *"ANGRY GERMAN NOISES!"*
LOL "Germans". It's true but guess which country taught them how to be fascists.
@@dustinmaxwell259 Austria??
@@anirecapped. ohio
@@GP22855 Wait, what??!!
Warum ist die Katze oben auf dem hause?
The BoS and Maxson are cool and all... but we all know that the Enclave is our place and Colonel Autumn is our guy. God bless America, God bless the Enclave.
Enclave sucks L bozo [this is a joke.]
God bless the enclave
god bless the enclave
God bless the enclave
God bless the kidnapping of Nash for the sake of useless information from a tool of the voice of Eden!
I mean let's put things into perspective here, the East Coast Brotherhood hasn't met any good Super mutants. And out of all of that exist on the east coast there's only four good ones that we know of.
Fawkes, Uncle Leo, Erickson, and Strong. With both Fawkes and Strong showing that they're still aggressive despite being reasonable.
They have been in at least two wars with the Super Mutants of the Captial Wasteland. While Lyons was right to the fight against the mutants to save the people, it also nearly broke the entire chapter and caused a significant portion to split off. So Lyons' war against the Super Mutants would be unpopular outside of those most loyal to him. Even then some of those disagreed with the war but did it because he was the Elder.
The second war saw Sarah Lyons die in battle against the mutants and who knows how many else. But it put an end to the mutant threat in Capital Wastes for good.
With those reasons it is no wonder why the East Coast Brotherhood became zealots in wanting all mutants gone because all they do is kill. Same with Feral Ghouls which are mindless monsters that attack anything that moves. And no one knows what causes a Ghoul to become feral either.
The Brotherhood also doesn't have any real information on what a synth is beyond what the Commonwealth knows and that's being humanoid machines that are being used to replace people. When they're more like clones with a chip in their head.
How about the ghouls they did nothing wrong to the point I’m pretty sure some of them Will agree with unchecked technology will destroy the world because some of them witness the war firsthand
FEV was a technology that was weaponized in the form of muties, meaning they were technically stopping technology from getting out of hand
@@randomrhino7500
They let ghouls live. Both in FO3 and FO4.
Now... Granted they're not exactly fans of them. But they definitely let them live.
Yeah they turned into the enclave 2.0 🗿
@@Cocaine_RejeKt
Because killing murderous monsters=wanting to kill anything irradiated
The BOS of tactics is their own group and the end credits of it even speak of a possible battle between them and the originals
It hits me like a brick to the head every time I hear R Lee Ermey in Fallout Tactics
it is 8 in the morning and first thing I see is Captain Enclave. A great start to an Enclave day
The line after "the perfect human" interests me. I think it implies that Maxson is cybernetically enhanced.
The guy allegedly fought a Deathclaw 1 on 1 and came out on top. I'm pretty certain that he has cybernetic enhancements.
Or he's is just a neonazi
Kinda sounds a bit weird when he complains that genetic manipulation is bad but he's sticking implants and modifying his body in unnatural ways.
@@angryconfusedcrusader670It has just lousy Bethesda story character enhancements as you've seen in dozens of unrealistic movies about wonder kids that are great at everything, then they grow up and save the world...
Well he is military 1% of population, Also special forces even smaller than 1% of the military so he is top of the food chain
Why is there a deathclaw wearing power armor? I thought the enclave(god bless the enclave and no one else) were the ones that trained deathclaws. And how does it fit in the power armor? Aren’t deathclaws like twice the size of a regular human?
It's not official for Deathclaw to wear power armor. it's fan made sorry,
I just edited it like that , I added that to make the Midwest BOS look more cool , Sorry for the confusion.
Also, when I found this image and found out that Deathclaw doesn't wear power armor,
it was already after I uploaded the video. Sorry. Next, I'll look into more Fallout knowledge and post it later. Sorry.
To add on to Captain Enclave's response, the Enclave didn't just tame deathclaws. They made an entirely new species of sentient deathclaws, able to speak and think for themselves. They made their own colony and even allowed humans to integrate into it with them. They were mostly wiped out by Frank Horrigan (the Enclave made customized power armor for him and he was almost the size of a super mutant behemoth) but at the very least two of them survived, both male. One of the creators confirmed that the sentient gene is carried by the males, so it's canon that they could come back in future games. Tactics took this idea and made the Midwest BOS more open minded, allowing ghouls, super mutants, and even sentient deathclaws into their ranks, so its possible that that particular fan art would actually exist in the Fallout universe. Even though Tactics isn't really confirmed as canon, I like to believe it is lol.
@@CaptainEnclave Makes sense. Like florida. Florida bos has power armor for crocs
@@peepeewizard1358 Fallout Tactics good, Todd bad
Like my sugar daddy Goris, they defected. It's not out of line to think defected Smart DC's didnt live their own lives or came accross the BOS.
BOS: Shooting at DC
DC: GUYS WAIT, I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU THESE POWER CORES
BOS: Did.... did that lizard just.... okay we're definitely teaming up with them.
I don't want no ghouls in my brotherhood, normal people are already disgusting, and ghouls are literally rotting, can you imagine the smell? Eurgh...
Meh can get used to it
Human, ghoul, supermutants, it doesn't matter were all wearing power armor we can smell anything.
Now that I think about it, f2 enclave and f4 Bos are really similar, Both are a large military based powers who also share a distain towards mutants, both are fine with genocide, (far harbour synths and the whole world ) F4 Bos is just a watered down enclave.
They accept mutations in Humans and normal Ghouls, the rest of the mutants get shot at. Enclave wants to kill them all instead.
@@Alex-pj8nz And the Enclaves right. America will never be America until mutated scum is gone. And before you start with the excuses, Frank Horrigan was an exception to that rule. The man was a decorated war hero and what happened to him wasn't his fault. The least we as true Americans could do was help him as much as possible.
We have become death, the destroyer of worlds.
@@zombie1attackBOS Funniest thing I ever read was the media blaming Fallout 4 for a mass shooting because the killer posted that quote on his fb and Nick Valentine said it once.
@@EnclaveSgt wh-what? My feeble brain can not comprehend that... they knew that a toaster in a video game said it, and not Oppenheimer, who had saw the first detonation of the nuclear bomb...
Tactics BOS is the BOS I ever wanted.
East coast BoS recruit people who suffered from supermutans raids for 200 years, and arthur grow up in settlement under constant risk of raids from vault 87 mutants, its not surprising they have problems with ghouls and mutants that BoS members who lived in west coast not have
Midwestern BOS are based
Maxsons a great guy for a BOS member. I find that many of our values align
Noooo! I'm a reformist enclave! And you should be too
@@CaptainEnclave no, the fakeclave(doesn't kill all muties(cringe)) is gay, the chadclave(genocides everyone with 0 discrimination(based)) is good
@@CaptainEnclave mutants are abominations we all know that don't make me demote you
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Well it was a option to accept the help from mutants or death claws in tactics you didn't really need to
BOS turning into the enclave.
In my opinion the BOS Boston chapter is more powerful because by fallout 4 the west coast bos is fading and the fallout 4 bos had better equipment
The Midwest BOS couldn't even kill super mutants without taking catastrophic losses. The Midwest BOS is also much more small. Pick a scavenger in New Vegas and pit that against a BOS Knight and that's about the difference between the two factions. Basic BOS Initiates in Midwest are leather jacket wearing gangsters little better than petty raiders. While the ones on the east side all have laser rifles.
@@genericscout5408 They just don't have enough credit yet to use a laser weapon, because you know the saying.
''If you damage or break the technology that we have given them, to the well''
1:04 I like the idea of taming a Deathclaw, and it makes sense for them to tame one. While they don't have the best relationship with mutated creatures, they have the technology to tame one. The NCR would if they could, but lack readily-available technology to do so. And the Enclave... is the Enclave. They'd just get a Hellfire unit to tame the mutant scum with fire.
You can have an inteligent deathclaw companion that can speak in Fallout 2. His name is Goris
@@water_doggo ok, nice
The bos deathclaws in tactics are not just creatures that you tame they are intelligent and choose to ally with you based on your actions.
Wasn't just one Intelligent deathclaw, had a whole vault full of intelligent deathclaws. Had.
and the player can kinda tame one in fallout 4 so... it makes sense the brotherhood could
A cool Fallout sequel I would like to see is them going to Chicago for the next one and retconning Fallout tactics to fit their lore since it's not "canon". It could take place in Chicago, with some outer-city Midwest locations to explore like in Fallout Tactics. They could bring back the enclave and resurface that old lore with the military base they have out there and make it basically like the last surviving chapter of the enclave. Just like in Fallout 4, you can join factions and build them. You can play a role in building the enclave up again.
We know Bethesda loves the Brotherhood and even threw them into Fallout 76. They could bring them back again, but the midwestern style BOS, which has a different approach to them since they're akin to bringing mutants, ghouls, and wasteland tribals into their brotherhood, which would make them different from the fascist brotherhood of steel, lol.
I remember watching an Oxhorn cover FO Tactics lore and he said the only plausible ending they could use if they were ever to bring back the Midwest Brotherhood is where the war with the calculator led them to sacrifice a lot and they basically needed to start over again, so during that time, the east coast and west wouldn't hear about them for years, and in this hypothetical Fallout 5, when we play as whoever, they're kinda on their feet again and control a good sub-section of Chicago and have outposts around like the NCR and watch over citizens and whatnot. The rest could be up for interpretation for the rest of the factions and the end goal.
I wouldn't want a retcon of Tactics, maybe a reimagining of it where there was a massive robot war against the brotherhood which is left in shambles in the region.
They don't need to retcon anything. Tactics is canon, despite what Bethesda says, because Bethesda keeps looting Tactics for everything.
@@NemFXTo me it would honestly make more sense for the MW to be the ones to settle into the East Coast. It’s way closer to DC and Boston than California is by a long shot, it would bring plausibility to the Capitol chapter’s more humanitarian and open ideas of outsiders, but it would also be way cooler than anything Emil and Todd could ever come up with too. If they just would’ve set the time back a lot in terms of when the games take place, say a few years after Tactics, it would be a lot better writing and world-wise in my opinion.
would be cool to see The Predewyn on its journey to the west coast stopping by to build back the Midwestern faction.
Meanwhile on the west coast:
*Screaming as fancy power armor and laser weapons don’t do anything when the NCR has you outnumbered 20-1.*
A shame they never reused Tactics BoS, I think they are one of the most interesting factions in the fallout franchise, they arent exactly good or pure evil either (but they are actually closer to being evil), I would describe them as pragmatic since none of their actions take morals into acount
They recreuit pretty much everyone who is willing to join them including ghouls, super mutants even intelligent deathclaws and sapient robots (wich means they would recruit synths too if they could), but they dont to this because they are just tolerant, they do it because they need as much manpower as they can get
They also bring order and protection to the region
And at the same time these are the same guys that have slaves, concentration camps (called forced labor camps or gulars by some npcs), a secret police that exists to silence anyone who could taint the midwest BoS reputation (called inquisitors in game), they even crucify their enemies as a warning for anyone who tries to challenge them
When you think about it the midwest BoS could easily be the main antagonists in another game but since you play as them in tactics they are the protagonists
My head cannon for there amror is that
They had Enclave amror and spliced with bos tech thats the only way i can think of for why there helmet is literally the x-02 black devil
The Brotherhood began because Roger Maxson decided he couldn’t allow scientists at Mariposa to turn people into super mutants. Maybe change is necessary for survival, but not to the degree of recruiting super mutants and subverting the entire point of your order
If you follow Barnaky's commands in Tactics, the Brotherhood won't accept ghouls, nor super-mutants. Similar thing for the Deathclaws.
Also, it took Marcus a fight with Jacob to set aside his hostility. When they met, Marcus was a soldier from the army of the defeated Master, and Jacob was a knight from the Brotherhood. According to Marcus, they fought hand to hand for hours, until they were unable to continue... then they laughed it off and became best buds.
I think Minneapolis / mn / Duluth would be a cool place for another fallout. Frontiers like new Vegas, But wooded and cold. Could do some cool supernatural stuff in the woods and there would be plenty of military presence in the area.
Interesting Idea wanna Join my Team? I'm developing just that Marcus and I'm open to everyones ideas to this Project. I've been working on this for awhile and would love more input from another fellow Fallout Fan's from mn. I've got a few ideas about the Twin City's. I've mainly been working on Faction's and Mutant Animals
@@xSavLandx sure I’m native to that area and very familiar to fallout.
"nuclear winter" here we come!
I never sided with BoS in fallout 4, I knew about the synths but I don’t remember any of this other stuff about cleansing the wasteland like the enclave. Maxson sounded like Frank horrigan talking about cleansing the earth of mutties.
Real talk what the hell happen after fallout 3 he want from a boy who can learn in to a dick who will order someone to be shot in a firing line and yes the whole clean the boston bull starting sound like enclave like did they now learn from their enamy they fought
No. No the Brotherhood of Steel under Elder Maxson is not evil. There are much more militant and proactive but they are not evil.
Elder Maxson was more or less raised by Elder Maxson and the Brotherhood Knights at the Citadel, and he has more or less combined the mission of the Brotherhood of Steel with Elder Lyon's creed of actively pursuing threats to the citizens of the Wastes; Feral Ghouls, Super Mutants, Raiders.
However the downside of Elder Lyon's leadership and style of command left the Brotherhood in danger of breaking completely due to lack of manpower, forward thinking, and inability to create stability inside of the Capital Wasteland.
Eventually he died and his daughter Sarah Lyon's took control of the Brotherhood only to fall in action, my personal theory is that she was assassinated by some more Orthodox members of the Brotherhood who sought to make an end of the Lyon's line, and eventually Maxson was made Elder of the Capital Chapter. Having proven himself in combat already Maxson then further solidified the Brotherhood's mission and forces by reuniting the Brotherhood Outcasts into the Main chapter as well as greatly expanding in Elder Lyon's mission. He began to recruit openly, his scribes began to recreate Enclave armor and weapons tech as well as study the creatures of the wastes for medicinal uses.
This expansion in man power and tech allowed him to destroy Shepard's Super Mutant Army, or at least I believe that was Elder Maxson I am a bit fuzzy on the timeline of that event, and create an Ordenstatt out of the Capital Wasteland.
Cue some years later and his recon teams report in to what may be the largest danger Humanity has faced since the Great War. An amoral group of scientists have pushed science to far in the wrong direction creating Synthetic Humans, Humans that have been proven to be able to be controlled with singular code phrases. These walking talking Manchurian Agents are a Pre-War fear made manifest and so much worse. We see these agents in action and the absolute damage they can do to civilization in both the Broken Mask incident as well as what Mayor McDonough did in Diamond City. So this 20 year old Elder, who we can discover has become a heavy imbiber of both Whiskey and Tobacco, seeks to **protect** the people of the Commonwealth and comes storming in on his Great Prdwyin.
Now many people point towards the Requisitioning of Supplies sidequest as proof of the Brotherhood being evil, despite the fact that the Resident Paladin approves of paying the Settlers substantially for the supplies as well as being an unofficial and unsanctioned under the board mission by the Quartermaster.
And we have never seen the Brotherhood kill or injure a non Feral Ghoul so I am honestly not sure where that conjecture comes from.
Now granted the Brotherhood does have issues, they are dogmatic, authoritarian (as befitting an Ordenstatt), and arrogant. They turn too quickly on one of their best and greatest members, though granted considering just what fears the Gen 3 Synths invoke and the damage they can do the Paranoia can perhaps be forgiven, and are derisive at best towards *outstanding* companions such as Mayor John Hancock (The . . .what 3rd most powerful and influential man in the Commonwealth behind Maxson and the General?) and and Detective Nick Valentine.
If I HAD to place them on the Alignment chart then I would place them squarely on Lawful Neutral or lawful good.
@@weegeeclaus695 I’ve always seen the BoS as a lawful neutral faction until fallout 3 and 4. They only helped themselves, retroactively helping others in the wastes. Fallout 3 they’re completely out of character being lawful good even outright overtly helping out the wasteland with project purity. Fallout 4 they’re lawful evil. The commonwealth BoS is an authoritarian regime with citizens that are filled with religious dogma that believe that all mutants need to be cleansed and that they’re above the lowly settlers of the wasteland.
In Fallout 3 the BoS of the capital wasteland shot all ghouls on sight, with the commonwealth BoS being from the capital wasteland we can assume they also do. They even treat Hancock very similarly to Valentine if you bring him to the Prydwen. They absolutely hate *all* nonhumans. Non feral ghouls, feral ghouls as well as the synths and super mutants we know they’re against.
The BoS has always wanted to protect people of the wastes but in the worst way possible. They’re the inverse of give a man a fish you feed him for a day, if you teach a man to fish you fed him for life. They don’t want to educate people on how to properly use technology to help the people of the wastes protect themselves and improve their lives. The BoS has only wanted tech for themselves because their religion makes them truly believe they are the only people on the planet left that can responsibly keep and use this technology even though it can change the wastes forever like we see in Fallout 3.
@@trost7860 the super mutants and feral ghouls can't be reasoned with and the institute are evil, there is literally nothing wrong with fallout 4s brotherhood morally
Yeah the BOS wants to cleanse all mutants, it was the same in Fallout 3. The game just made exceptions for player companions. The BOS in Fallout 1/2 were more neutral towards the mutants though. Fallout tactics even had them enlist mutants in their ranks. Fallout 3 and Fallout 4+ are where they hate the muties. Fallout 76 can't be canon though since Fallout 1 BOS only met mutants like 100 years after 76.
Just got woken up by the notification for this video God bless the Enclave God bless America
Seems like Maxon listened to too much Enclave Radio as a young boy
The auto captions have Maxim saying “The Supermutants are no better than sex!” lmao
As Todd Howard I'd give the east coast plot Armor so they'd obviously win
Average strongest east coast bos fan🤬
Vs
Average weakness midwest bos enjoyer😎
Also the way that pladin dance says about the mutants it was because he had a friend and he went missing and then they found him at a mutants hive where they put him in the F.E.V virus making him a super mutant that's why he hates them (also if your confused about this go to search The unity ending and watch you will learn more about it)
EXACTLY WHAT A SYNTH WOULD SAY
I love Tactics it is one of my favorite games because it has a open brotherhood a good major faction in the wasteland looking out for itself while also looking out for others that want to offer themselves to protect others!
Fallout tactics bos is the best for me tho.
I think this is a smart path to take narratively for the BOS, having what was essentially a perfect faction turn into a dictatorship because of Maxon. Him having influenced the rest of the brotherhood would mean that it wouldn’t really matter if he dies in 4 or not because everyone would already be sided with him, and if it comes up in dialogue the player would just mention that “[they] heard he is alive/dead” and the story would roll with that even though the BOS would be solidified in opinion either way. It would make the ethical decisions of future games way more interesting as well as create an overarching “big bad” for the series to have. The Midwest BOS could just split off as a splinter faction that opposed the new regime, along with members of 3’s BOS and any of the other good members of the faction.
What are you talking about? By your logic Lyons brotherhood is also a dictatorship. Elder is the highest rank in the brotherhood, they are the leaders. Why is it wrong for Maxson to be a leader of his chapter?
@@MrMadre ?
Always liked the Good-Ending from Tactics, becoming one with the Calculator
Is so sad that BOS before fall of Enclave was seen as the heroic faction that defends all wastlanders, but after Enclave the BOS was more like villians and the enclave itself.
I wonder if that’s the point, not just a retcon or something, but a purposeful decision to illustrate that more power, more authority, more tech will always drive people into apathy and violence
Enclave created super mutants, enclave secretly attacking Commonwealth, thats why the BOS wages war on them
I don’t see where their a villain in anyway. Not once did they order you to kill a ghoul at any point in any of the games so far. Mutants kill us mindless ghouls kill us the gen 1,2 kill everyone on sight. BOS is fighting the major threats to any human saving us.
How? Are you insane?
Guys, you say nonsense, play the games before talking. They are (in F4) even softier than in F1 and 2.
I love the Enclave, but the Fallout 4 Brotherhood is effectively them without nuance.
The Enclave wanted a pure world, but they still understood the preservation of humanity, and charity.
I say this due to the existence of the Capital Wasteland Enclave and the ideal image of them being led by Colonel Autumn.
That would be the best fate for the wasteland, truly.
Without nuance?? They want to kill mutants and ghouls and The Enclave want to wipe out all of humanity that isn’t them 😭😭
Fighting for a pure world was not nuanced. The Enclave are the “evil” faction and there is a reason you can never join them. They’re a really cool faction and you SHOULD be able to join them, there may be some logic to their goal too. But in what way are they more nuanced than the BoS in Fallout 4 - who I admittedly don’t know as much about??
The Enclave engaged in slavery and murder just as a means to an end. This is such glorification of The Enclave, which I’m all for but this seems very unironic.
"I didn't know there were cars in fallout" ... *Fallout 2's Highwayman exists*
Marcus was an exception not the rule. Plus my BoS in Tactics remained true. Humans only. No muties allowed.
Deathclaws in power armor wouldn’t count that out yet.
Midwest BOS was inherently open minded as they needed to fight the Calculator which was the worst threat ever to face the Wasteland, alone and far away from other chapters in the Cheyanne Mountains. The Enclave and Master were literally small potatoes compared to an undying robot army that actually has Hellion bombers and Behemoth mechs with 50 cal machine guns.
I firmly believe the canon ending was the one where they completely destroyed the Calculator and thus could not recover after such losses.
That is why they are comparatively weak by time New Vegas comes around. Caesar even pointed out he captured some BoS scribes who don't even know who a Maxson is.
And to be fair, the Mid West BOS probably really don't like the Maxsons and their exile.
Bro fallout 1 shady sands was chill asf lmao. War never changes but the institutions protected by them always will
Oh maxson said genes I thought he was talking about cheese
Besides being absolutely based, Midwestern BoS power armour literally makes me wet every single time I look at it and I’m not complaining.
Maxon: It’s a abomination kill anything that’s not human or does not accepts our rule, we are saving humanity
Lyons: that sounds a lot like a ENCLAVE SYMPATHIZER.
Maxon: unfortunately for you, history will not see it that way.
"The perfect human specimen, an example of everything a human being can achieve."
Maxson was definitely somehow influenced by the enclave
To be fair to Maxson, there's single-digit numbers of non-hostile Super Mutants on the East Coast that we know of and THOUSANDS of the usual, brutish, savage mutants we're familiar with in Fallouts 3 and 4. If you grew up only ever seeing those mutants, I can see why you'd believe they all need to be exterminated.
Put on top what they would have saw when they were hunting after the supermutant remnants of the super mutant army from the master in the west as they fleed east into DC. A path a death burned through the waste as they were flying after them seeing the destruction
Other than 3 and tactics, the bos has always been about holding technology. Just now woth the enclave out of the picture they are turning on mutants and doubling down on their technological repression and xenophobia.
Honestly I think an amazing fallout game could be had where you are a member of an advanced group that helps the wasteland ur in.
U spend first 1/3 of the game fighting raiders and providing technologies to settlements.
Then boom in come the BoS to get rid of all your technology and wipe your group from the map for being so evil as to develop new tech.
Good idea
@@jager2749 Thank you. One thing I kinda skimmed over is I think it would be best if you where a member of the enclave.
Maybe in the Midwest, a smaller but still technologically advanced group except considering how the enclave has fared there's been a schism in the group.
So the first 1/3 also would involve trying to either make peace between, destroy one side or get one side to more or less fully join the other again.
But while your working on that, the BoS arrive and see how the enclave is here helping people and how there's mutants and all sorts of other disgusting to them things.
Maybe have small groups of peaceful Nightkin and Supermutants like FONV. But the BoS seeing the Supermutants and others as the mostly East Coast kind.
So now the BoS are really worked up. Not only are there Supermutants here, but the Enclave fractured with some either subjecting while the other help.
Come to think about it... I just described Skyrim essentially. Not exactly but a somewhat similar plot. Still be hecking fun to experience if handled right an not like FO4 story choices lol
Fallout 4 has my favourite version of the Brotherhood. The perfect mix of Lyons reforms and classic Brotherhood dogma.
With those ideologies it feels like Maxson might of been an Enclave spy, or someone that taught him the ways of the BoS was.
You have to understand. Marcus is a “sane” super mutant, the ones in Fort Strong are like the others you find throughout the commonwealth, bloodthirsty monsters who want to feast on humans and other’s remains.
Midwestern BoS:we accept humans ghouls and super mutants
Fallout 4 BoS: NoOoO sYnThs,SyNths ArE eVeRyWhErE
Friend, Maxsons BOS was right to exterminate synths
Ghouls & mutants were both human once, synths never were
@@EnclaveSgt yeah that's because there so cartoonishly evil
@@spiderham5514 people are extremely suggestable, but they arent "program your entire being" suggestable. Being born immortal would be quite the hell to live too
Synths are indeed everywhere in Commonwealth.
midwest BOS makes sense with regards to using tech to help and making sure no villains can use it for evil- where as the fallout 4 BOS might as well be the enclave
There is a reason why tactics isn't cannon ,by the end of the game that BOS can wipe down the enclave ,the institute and all other Bos chapters togheter without breaking a sweat
East Coast Virginhood of Cringe vs Midwest Chadhood of Based
Fo4 brotherhood is preserving humanity
By killing friendly super mutants and ghouls that didn't become zombies and sentient robots that want to be free
Fallout 4 BOS has a point which is why i follow them we need to cleanse the wasteland to help people
The differences between different Brotherhood Chapters is really interesting to me.
They all sort of do their own thing and interpret their role in different ways. I find this to be quite cool.
Thinking about it the East Coast Brotherhood has a lot in common with the Enclave. I quite like them though for being like this.
I just realized that the enclave power armor from fallout 3 is a shitty version of the tactics armor
Fun fact:
The helmet is the only part of the midwest power armor that is different from the original T-51b PA
You can see BoS knights wearing the classic power armor during the intro cutscene of fallout tactics, it looks exactly the same as the tactics power armor with the only difference being the helmet
The fallout 4 Brotherhood looks more like a cult of personality than an army of people trying to presurve the future when you tak a step back with all the information available.
How?
Actually, if you think of it, Brotherhood's crusade will give humans a safe big place to live if succeds. Harsh times deserve harsh army and they are just the guys to do it.
The Midwest brotherhood is the best BOS I've never even played tactics and I know this they help everyone and understand that they need to help people to survive not cower in their bunkers hoarding technology or purge the wastes like the enclave they fought so hard.
It's sad that the Midwest is not seen anymore. It had some pretty awesome stuff.
Tactics story really got me hooked
Fallout tactics bos: Halo Spartans
Fallout 4 bos: WH40k Space Marines
Tactics BoS is so fucking stupid and 90s style I love it so much
Fallout 4 BOS is correct. A lot of times the right choice is the more painful one. Just because they're are anomaly supermutants that are friendly doesn't absolve the fact most are evil.
Too bad it's all a retarded red herring because, as established in the diplomatic ending to Fallout 1, the super mutants are sterile and have no actual way of proliferating themselves so they're not a long term threat anyway.
The brotherhood is slowly turning into the Enclave. Doesn't Cleansing the wasteland of everything unpure sound Enclave to you?
Im watching a Big Plot Twist that Maxson is an undercover agent of The Enclave
the idea that the wasteland has been slowly changing their ideals is a really interesting plotline that i wish they explored more
Mutants were dumbed down in Fallout 4 moved to a simple enemy spot instead of being a race with good and bad people.
Let's hope for Fallout 5 or at least a Fallout faction spin off. Hopefully give us a Brotherhood that is similar to tactics or given a chance to have ghouls and super mutants in the ranks. I want more dialogue choices for the rpg no more voice protagonists. Good video buddy keep up the good work. Maybe we can get a mod to fill this idea out one day.
so basically BOS is just slowly becoming the enclave
FT BOS wanted to live up to their titles of Paladin.
F4 BOS wanted to be a knock-off WH40K Imperium of Man
also, the fallout 4 brotherhood may have destroyed Rivet City for its power core ..
Yeah the Lyons were honestly our best sadly Maxon and his insanity made us no better then the supermutants that kill with no remorse.
I remember the inteligent death claws from f2 if they ever make a comeback it would be so cool to see them allied with some lost shard of BoS of course being lost from the main BoS faction ran by maxson they may not have his same ideas regarding mutants but still have their tech so they being allied with inteligent death claws of all things makes them even if small in numbers a force to be reckon with
Its funny cause even in fallout 4 theres a recruitable super mutant. Youd think youd be able to vouch for the muties and say not everyone is bad, especially the ghouls
But I'm 4 there is only 1 other good super mutant, Erickson. Which Strong would never have met. And the brotherhood doesn't kill non ferals.
i played through fallout 4 as my first fallout and then went and got fallout 3 and new vegas, i was very weary and more destructive than i needed to be on my first playthroughs of the older games, fallout 4 has a completely different image of the brotherhood and I never like it
I just wasn't good at Tactics or Jagged Alliance or anything involving tactics. Now I'm playing Wasteland 3 with a friend, and soon, I may give it one more try.
There's a reason the chicago chapter has made efforts to rebuff communication attempts from the rest of the organisation atm. Maxson is the worst thing to happen to the BOS in a while. Hopefully we can course correct back towards their former nobility (which was originally in F4 but was cut, I like to restore it with mods and introduce Maxson to a mini-buke before becoming Elder).
The FO4 BOS is basically the Enclave 2.0
The east coast BOS nearly broke protecting a few scattered settlements full of ungrateful wastelanders and fought thankless wars on their behalf, suffering and seeing many die along the way.
It's understandable then that when Maxon came of age, being surrounded by death and war and suffering and wastelanders who'd rob and kill him as soon as talk to him, he and the chapter as a whole became embittered.
It makes sense that when he took over, he'd cancel these wars, leave the wastelanders to their fate, still recruit those who were willing and able and did what needed to be done to make the brotherhood thrive.
And thrive, they have. They operate a fleet of vertibirds from a mobile FOB, the Prydwin and are able to conduct a war on a large scale. Like it or not, Maxon's methods work, and why should they care for the mutants? 99.99% of supermutants on the east coast are barely concious bloodthirsty monsters and exterminating them to the last is a favor to litterally everybody else, clearing out the raiders and feral ghouls makes life better for those who live in the commonwealth.
Sure the brotherhood are dicks, but that's the only kinda way to build a real state. A strong hand that can destroy threats and keep people safe. Especially in a cruel place like the wasteland
Good points . This was awesome 👍
To be fair, Maxon's chapter is one line away from being just like the Enclave
I like the tactics BOS because their *way* less racist and they allow not only ghouls but deathclaws to join the ranks as brothers and sisters
Same here, and it makes sense because in Fallout 2 and New Vegas, it's shown that they're withering and decaying because they're stuck in their old beliefs (being xenophobic, isolationist and just keeping technology away from mankind).
But they made compromises. Such as the FO2 BOS coexisting with the NCR. The FO3 and FT BOS opening to outsiders and FNV BOS finally lifting the lockdown
"We have to embrace change to survive"
Different Chapters have different responses to the situation, as much as 4 paints the BOS as just discount Enclave, you can see it in your own perspective where Maxson is doing all of this cos his name is renown in the BOS thus sticking to the book more than anyone else
Midwest BOS doesn't have a Maxson and desperate situations require desperate measures thus allowing the recruitment of outsiders
New Vegas BOS got fucked by the NCR so they're kinda fucked in the middle of a shit flinging contest between a bunch of furry larpers and a self proclaimed army thats over-extended beyond what they're capable of holding, and Mr House
and then 1 and 2 BOS are more on the mysterious preacher side where they like to be left alone but if you show potential you can get their cool tech, plus the Enclave are a thing in 2 so it makes sense for the BOS to be more active than hidden
I dont understand why tactics is semicanon i think of it as canon since it has more to it than 4 and 76