What Hard-Charging Air Force Recruits Endure In Basic Training - BMT
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this was the Air Force basic 18 months ago - czcams.com/video/hpbr2mPisLk/video.html. the marketing focus group (apparently) has found in marketing research the weakling model brings in less recruits.
"Air Force training is the hardest thing I've ever had to face". Said the woke, snowflake, crock wearing genderless participation trophy receiving recruit.
PS; I'm originally from Cuba and screaming to us is as a morning sunrise.🤭
Cheese dicks.
For the E-ranks a more standard BMT will probably be good for them. For anyone attending the AF Academy, more instruction and less yelling would likely be more productive.
Other than the Air Forces' 7-weeks of Day Care, I've heard that well over 98% of them never touch a weapon after Day Care. So, there's no point in their theatrics and pretentious acting to make themselves appear in any shape or form close to a soldier or Marine standards. Instead, the main focal point of the Air Force should remain grounded to their expertise, nothing more and nothing less.
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All atheist nations end up in poverty and dictatorship, unless helped by Christians.
Jesus said, and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.
In the event of a war, airbases are extremely valuable targets, airmen should absolutely be ready to fight just like marines or soldiers
Exactly been arguing this for years
In the event of war, the valuable air bases will likely be loaded with troop transports of soldiers who SHOULD be fighting.
This is BS, in reality we will just turn the Air Base over to whatever corrupt military we "trained*" up so their people can be "Free*" and they will promptly give it up to the enemy without any resistance. See Bagram AB
@@justthefacts4216 🥶
No, it’s ok. The Air Force will call 911 and the police will come defend the base. The Air Force will be busy learning how to be extra woke.
Other than the normal "service rivalry", I still have a lot of respect for the Air Force, as a Paratrooper veteran at Bragg, we had Pope Airbase that we relied on, and we got to know a lot of those folks on the planes and all, and I found them to be very professional and good to go.
The other branches hate on air force because they get treated better and are managed better, not to mention the budget they gave… just saying you just joke around hating Air Force are lies… you actually grow jealous when you start realizing that Air Force gets to do the job without all the bs the other branches go thru it’s some like a petty jealousy
I appreciate this honesty, keep up the positive waves!
AF basic is a joke compared to the other services. But why should it be like the army or marines? These airmen, with a few exceptions, will have technical jobs keeping planes in the air and keeping air bases operating. There're some AFSCs that saw quite a bit of combat, and they received appropriate training after basic. And yes, our lodging, chow, and general treatment was better than the army and marines. Don't really know about the navy.
Yeah, people like to give the Air Force a hard time, but they're a solid branch. As for the "softening of standards", I heard the AF was trying to recruit more tech savvy recruits (engineer, programmers ect.) for their intelligence / electronic warfare, which I suppose could be challenging for (some) folks that spend hours in front of a screen. There are phenomenal tech wizards who quite capable in many regards, but couldn't do 10 pull ups to save their lives. Was the initial lowering of standards right or wrong, I couldn't say.
@@lawv804 people need to remember that this is the 21st century and society as a whole is changing and we are just more tech savvy now. I was a Airborne Infantryman- Pathfinder in the Army back in the mid to late 80's and it's my understanding that the Army is doing away with their Pathfinder School at Benning and will no longer feel the need for Pathfinders anymore, again Technology with GPS now, hi tech. The Air Force and Army work closely together, the Army needs them for Airborne operations and Troop movement. I found most of the Air Force personnel to be professional and good to go. Except for PJ'S they really don't need to be trained physically as hard as a Soldier and Marines need to be.
Jameson has a great perspective... What does the Air Force really need? With very few exceptions, they do not need to be star athletes. They need to be academics, or technicians. Same with the Navy. Yes, I know there are exceptions for specialty combat roles. But for the most part, be healthy and fit, and develop their minds. I don't care that a jet mechanic or a navy nuclear operator can bench press 200#, I'd rather those guys not be fat asses and understand math and physics. Leave the grunt work to the Army and Marines.
That tends to make sense. And for those going on from basic to be Security Forces, PJs or Combat Controllers, they go through additional training in tech school that's a lot more demanding than the training in basic is when it comes to weapons skills, PT and combat tactics.
Thank you. The crayon eating marines cannot understand that if the Air Force kills someone, it’s behind a screen.
@@twentysecondcenturywoman not everyone in the AF is a Joystick Jockey, they all need to be proficient in basic warrior skills. in the military, everyone is an infantryman first, and their PMOS second.
if a naval ship gets air assaulted and there are Russians infiltrating their ship, they all need to be able to combat that threat.
if an AF base gets para dropped and there's Chinese swarming them, every airman needs to be able to combat that threat.
there's a reason the Army and Marines laugh at the average Airman/Sailor because they know they aren't held to the same fighting standard that they are
@@Mr2915Official fair nough
Exactly a decent level of fitness which is what everyone should be striving for civilian or military. Men got by throughout most of history without being giant body builders. Being lean and in good shape is the ideal.
Was on an airforce base for my A-School, met lots of airmen and asked them about bootcamp. Was told they would have meetings where they would color/draw pictures to show how they feel. Wild.
lol wtf
Say what you want, at least it’s not a 5 minute commercial talking about “my two moms”. Looking at you army😏
“ my two moms” a total detriment to unit good order and discipline and worst of all unit cohesion.
@@jjayyoung7335 Well, there's dumb and there's Army dumb.
@@jjayyoung7335 No, it isn't a detriment. But keep repeating Tucker Carlson talking points
@@MareEnjoyer
Say what you want because clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. I currently work at a joint command training center. The pathetic part is you've got a segment of recruits that are trying to out-woke each other. They spend more time seeing how far they can push the limits of what they can get away with than they do with their nose in a book.
There have been groups that have gone through where not a single person has passed. I'm not talking about a test. I'm not talking about a block of training. I'm talking about an entire Tech school. But yet, they have all kinds of time in class to jerk around where time is wasted trying to discipline a bunch of dumbasses who think they're back at the hometown gay bar.
@@MareEnjoyer you clearly know what you're talking about with your fuckin my little pony icon lmao.
hopefully it's more intense when the cameras are cut off. It looks like good training but the relaxed environment isn't keeping the pressure on. Basic was the hardest easiest thing I have ever done. Stupid simple tasks but with the pressure and the lack of sleep you can start messing up the simplest things. I was picked up for premob training two weeks after leaving AIT and a few weeks after put boots on ground in Iraq. I wasn't GI Joe but the pressure from basic definitely got me ready to handle the long hours and stress. You could tell the guys that had an easier time in training were struggling hard overseas.
Cant speak for nowadays, but even just a couple years ago this was an accurate representation. Generally it was harder for younger people that didnt have any discipline prior to joining. I will say, however, nearly every new airman we get in the shop doesnt have any discipline. Showing up 10-20 minutes late, talking back to nco's snco's and officers, asking questions instead of doing what they are told, not even working 50% of the time. This could just be the specific people that went to my shop, but i wouldnt be surprised if the further relaxed nature coupled with covid restrictions made a completely different airman outcome
@@flubaflabawesome This is why when I left the Corps and applied to the Air Force, they told me they didn't want me.
I wasn't a shitbird, I was the NCOIC of my shop as a Cpl for a year. I was the only CDI/QAR for J-52's in Westpac for about a year.
They didn't want me because I'm a Marine and we don't mix with Air Force "culture". When did the Air Force stop thinking like a military unit? Good order and discipline works.
Now my beloved Corps is going the way of the Air Force and I do not like it. So I'm not just Air Force bashing
@@Tyrannosaurus_STFU_III i would gladly welcome a marine to my shop, though that more than likely wont happen in the 2w2 career field. I dont like the way the military is going either, and is why im getting out in 4 months. Leadership that only care about making themselves look good instead of ensuring proper training and experience for newly certified, grooming certain airman despite them not even putting in the work, lack of addressing morale, senior enlisted official not following guidelines she put in place. Not a force i want to be in
I would imagine it is (can’t say for sure no insight) they tend to omit a lot of the stuff from videos.
@@flubaflabawesome Semper Fi
12:01 I laughed because I’m 18 and have been laying down cement and working with bricks for some years… it’s so true that there isn’t too many guys or gals my age who know what hard work is and what it means to be really dirty and sweaty
I went through air force basic a year ago and let me tell you it was interesting. I went during the height of covid so very little running, lots of drilling, and no shark attacks. They cant touch you, curse at you, or get too close due to covid guidelines. I sat more than i thought i ever would during bmt. Drill wasnt so bad because i had good intructors. Speaking of which my instructor was very cool. Friendly even, but very motivating. Lots of yelling cause thats all they could really do. If youre soft and wanna join the military, the air force is the way to go.
Is it also for something like me I’m kinda incompetent
I'm stationed in San Antonio. Any time I have to go to Lackland and see the trainees out in the open it's painfully obvious the discipline is not there.
I just went out there the other week to see my sister graduate from BMT. I was seeing the discipline being essentially non existent in the Navy and I saw some of it in the way the airmen carried themselves as they marched. Some of these airmen (most of them were the guys) had jacked up uniforms and they slouched. I never thought things like that made a difference but now that I’m a bit older, I understand the reason for drills, marching, and uniformity as well as the importance of posture. My sister was disappointed in her BMT experience because she said she felt coddled, and like me, left home to escape that environment and experience something new.
@@bubblehead4270 Of course she was coddled it's the AF. If she truly wanted an experience she would have gone to ANY of the other branches provided. No one goes to the AF for a difficult experience unless they plan to go Pilot or PJ afterwards.
@@SymbolicLogic24 I told her it would be easy. Navy bootcamp was cake i dont imagine AF bootcamp being much more difficult lol.
So I went through basic back in July and I definitely believe your level of training depends on your MTI's (air force version of drill sergeants). Covid made it easy for everyone to get lazy but luckily I had two MTI's that wanted us to be ready for the military. It was shocking to see the difference from our flight to others. You can tell how motivated a MTI is by the quality of the flight. Beast week was a vacation basically lots of fun. CATM is purely to show you can shoot and follow orders at the same time. We were supposed to do the gas chamber but covid stopped that.
See this is interesting I hadn’t thought how Covid would affect things.
That's hella pathetic.
That must have sucked ass to go through basic wearing a mask, like a mask was going to do any good considering how close you are to everyone else 24/7.
There's a reason for having "contractors" run training--especially weapons training--Congress sets manpower limits. Contractors don't count. Proficient firearms instructors are available and in most cases these trainers were soldiers or police or both. When I attended my 80 hour Unit Armorers Course at Fort Riley, Kansas, the instructor had been a soldier and was teaching the course because it freed up an enlisted soldier slot. Decades later, my satellite ground terminal instructors were retired soldiers that had been hired as contractors. The expertise is there. Perhaps having all instructors be active-duty military is better--but it doesn't matter when Congress limits the number of active duty military personnel for political reasons.
People, i.e., Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Coasties and Marines, cost MONEY..... Congress (the American people) controls the military, so Congress decides how big / small the various Services will be; therefore, every "instructor" counts toward a Service's End Strength.
Sure, Congress limits the size of the military because they look at the big picture and costs.
Stretch your brain housing group and think about it.
@@jamesstorey2476 Your response is void of all reason. You say that it's limited because of cost, yet the US government pays companies to hire these contractors. Those contractors make more money than the servicemember that could be teaching the same thing. I dealt with the same during my time in, we weren't even allowed to work on much of our own equipment because contractors had been hired to do the maintenance. The same went with anything that needed constructed on fobs, work orders had to be submitted, approved, etc... before a contracting company would build anything, even a shelving unit. It's beyond stupid and actually costs more.
This. Towards the end of my enlistment in the USAF in the 1980's the flight training squadrons were turning to civilian aircraft maintenance for this very reason. If you were active duty, you went to a combat squadron.
I guarantee you that those CONTRACT Range Instructors are all prior military with extensive experience (Maybe some Law Enforcement Range Masters).... True they are not active military BUT they are probably all far more experienced than just about anything the Air Force could provide..
These are not contractors. The people wear red signifies they are CATM combat arm trainer part of the security forces
After just graduating from BMT on October 14th 2021 (Mustangs to Wolfpack in Disneyland) I can say I was shocked how easy Airforce BMT is even going in at my age being 32. I was training for a year watching Marine and Army videos and the hardest part about AF BMT was having a weird green diarrhea from eating the food at Lackland. I couldn't believe how many people in my flight quit because of the physical and mental demand. A guy quit because he messed up his Achilles which makes sense after he was in med-hold for the entire BMT but the younger guys that quit and me at 32 years old running circles around these kids that are fresh out of high school was embarrassing. I was literally older than most of my MTI's and was outperforming them. BMT was a joke. Only went Airforce because they're basic is shorter than the Army and Marines and I don't know how to swim.
First day of Basic I accidentally bumped into an NCO on our way into the barracks it was winter so there was about a foot of snow on the ground and we got off the buses and we were told to run into the barracks and someone tripped me up and I fell into the back of this Corporal I got up that fast and sprinted in hoping he didn’t see me among the crowd uh uh nope he screamed at me to get back there so I ran back and stood to attention which was when I noticed his little trip on the deck covered his good Service Dress in Snow mud and water anyway here I was standing to attention shitting myself and he leans forward and whispered “You push me and I push you” and punched me dead in my solar plexus well needless to say I wasn’t expecting this so when he drilled me in my chest my mouth few open and a ton of saliva flew out of my shitmixer and flew all over the DS Corporal I thought I was dead 💀 but he just screamed at me to get inside where I found out that this Infantry Corperals name was Cpl Turner and that he’s was in charge of our Squad/Section 😂 he turned out to be a great guy 😂
@@JohnDoe-bo3zi and it’s Pogo Piss Off Grunts Only you waste of Rations
Monkey Foreskin Eyes My my service was infantry units, Assault Pioneers, Paratrooper 3+yrs, Mortars and various Infantry Coys 😂 😂 😂
@@JohnDoe-bo3zi you sound like a Biden voter lol
@@JohnDoe-bo3zi if you want to be a Homosexual be a homosexual be proud about it
@@JohnDoe-bo3zi you are a Commie Joe Biden voter don’t try and deny it
Female Trainees should get their hair cut as well
Equality for all
@@bigholli8449 exactly
was about to write that aswell.
Why
@@Laocoon283 because the men have to
I did Air Force BMT in the mid 70's it was one of the toughest things I've been through since the Cub Scouts . I'm retired International Laborer & Hod Carrier .
I graduated BMT in late September and am now in security forces tech school. A majority of the Combat Arms instructors I’ve been around are actually other airmen. I believe the contractors are there to supplement the other cadre.
Good for you brother. I was doing the same thing around this time of year in 1994. Back then it was still called "Security Police" and the career field included the separate AFSCs of Law Enforcement Specialist, Security Specialist and CATM. They merged LE and Security when I was still in in 1997 and it became Security Forces. Hang in there and earn that beret! Even if you go through some shitty times, you'll look back at it fondly one day. It was nearly 30 years ago for me, but I do, and I still have quite a few good friends I talk to and see each year that were in my squadron. We meet up for a few days every year over Veteran's Day.
I went through Air Force Basic Training at the age of 26, and 21 years ago. The hardest thing about Air Force BMT was staying awake!! Hell, my mom and the foreman on the construction site I work on prior, yelled more the the MTIs. Looks like they made it a little more respectable....
🤣🤣 I started on March 29th of 91, ur absolutely right. I remember napping under the bed with fingers in springs pretending like I was tightening up my rack.......
We believe it. Especially us Marines.
I call bs lol. My TI screamed at me to the point his spit was all over my glasses …..
I started basic on February 19,1999 and the first TI to yell at me was Sgt Newhouse. I was at 320 TRS
@@shonseibert48 It's nice and cool under the bed on the deck.
Retired USAF here -- basic is basic. They cram so much down you in a short period of time. Glad it is longer now. Many Airmen go through additional schools (esp weapons training and field survival) depending on the AFSC...some of which are taught alongside the Army/Navy. Most other branches knock the USAF BMT, but for us it is just the first door into the big room. ie -- not as a big deal as other branches make their BMT out to be (like the Marines). When we are all downrange, we are all in the same shitters, eat at the same chow hall, and carry around pretty much the same amount of gear.
Talking for a friend. Air Force BMT is a joke. We specialize in certain positions that can only really be trained in those positions. I know my training was 72% fail rate for the first time you took the test. My friend has since moved on to a couple bases tackling multiple issues at different AOR's. He also has to brief critical things daily to leadership that are affecting things. While people make fun of my friend, there is so much more about making sure people on the ground aren't getting injured for something that can be prevented.
Ate at Hickam AFB. It's not the same chow. Believe me.
@@donaldburkett9307 Come to the flightline and eat hot dogs, hamburgers, fries and chicken with greasy hands at the little shacks, everyday or at nite the box nasty the expediter brought you.
@phantmfxr lived in the desert for 6 months. No running water, maybe warm chow at night mare's for lunch. Marine Arty during Desert Storm. You guys have better chow. I'd change places with you flight line guys any day.
I don’t know how how much things have changed, but I remember about 10-15 years ago, the Air Force had basically the “toughest” boot camp in terms of washout rates and even their basic physical fitness requirements simply because they had far too many applicants than open positions and needed to weed a bunch of them out.
I don't know about that "toughest boot camp." I went through Army Jump School in 1984. Only 1 of 12 Air Force airman graduated and the other 11 visited the "white house" during ground week. Out of the 30 Marines, only 1 didn't graduate with the class and he recycled due to injury. That Marine was devastated because he felt like he let the other Marines down. The lone airman that passed was training to be a Combat Controller.
@@ralphalvarez5465 yeah I don’t know if it was the toughest, but the Air Force sure was keen to weed as many people out as possible.
As a former AF troop, father of a ( recently former) Marine, I am VERY concerned about the current status of our military and it’s “leadership”! From what I’ve seen the last several years with the politicization of top flag officers and all the way up to the CINC, I am not sure we have a force capable and willing! So many are being forced out, and our readiness is very suspect and I fear, fatally flawed! EVERY military service basic training/boot camp should be very difficult! Quitters need not apply!
In Canada, Army, Navy and Air Force all partake in the same basic training (BMQ). Combat Arms trades go off to Battle School to separate themselves from the lesser beings.
I don't think thats very useful... They fight in very different elements
@@kurger100 every soldier is a infantry soldier to begin with where I’m from
@@SanLeMans That's not true... Every soldier cannot be made an infantry soldier (unless your 'Basic training' is about 20 weeks long)… That's how long it takes for a civilian to be taught 'infantry' tactics..
@@SanLeMans But again I'm from United States where world's greatest army is.. But its common in smaller armies to teach soldiers few infantry skills so that they can be used as manpower shortages dictate
@@kurger100 but again, I’m from France, well known to have the highest quality professional soldiers who actually do train the US, France being a powerful world power right behind the huge US and Russia with the UK behind us with China.
Plus European soldiers are just put to a higher standard, a thing you would know if you did your own research.
I enjoyed BMT, that was 1985. On to be a security troop. Went to 60 school, ABGD, later GLCM training and Silver Flag.
Times have changed. Wish I had the gear and equipment this generation has.
I was about 9 years after you, but an LE troop. Also went to Silver Flag. I was in during the merger in 97 when they combined LE and Security. (It was a mess at the time.) Were you guys doing ABGD at Fort Dix back then? I did, but a year or two later they moved it to an Army base in TX within a couple hours drive from Lackland, and they started using USAF cadre.
Huah!
@@skyhawk_4526 I went to Camp Bullis TX. Then a year or so after that moved to Dix. Then back to Bullis.
We’ve had civilian contractors working as range cadre since the 90’s. I agree that this job should be done solely by military personnel however a majority of these contractors are prior military.
I was in the USAF from Sep 1994 to Oct 2002 and never saw a contractor teaching at an Air Force range. All our CATM instructors were active duty airmen or reservists (depending on the unit I was in). Maybe it depended on the base though. I was also Security Forces (which CATM is/was a part of), and I had also never seen a base with contract or civilian base police/LE services either (except one base I briefly trained at - Indian Springs NV - which is a training base) when I was in; but I know its fairly common at bases today to have a mix of active duty cops and civilians. (It was also more common at Army bases at the time - even when I was in Kuwait.) I personally think we were better of in the 90s when it was all in-house, but I don't have a big problem with Lackland using contract rifle instructors since as others have mentioned, these guys are likely all prior military and law enforcement instructors and are likely very competent instructors. I'm just noting that I had never personally seen a contract CATM instructor in my 4 years active duty from 94 to 98 and subsequent 4 years as a reservist from 98 to 02. In fact, when I went into my reserve unit at Travis, I was in the process of cross-training into CATM, but 9/11 put that on hold as we all got activated for a year (some for 2) and my training was cancelled. I ended up going inactive after that due to a job offer.
I think the early 2000s really caused the military contractor jobs to explode, in general, not just the shooter jobs (static security, PSDs, etc). Someone figured out that little "contractors don't count" loophole and the industry ran with it. I know Blackwater was paying guys $1k~ a day early on...but by the time I was qualified enough, pay was around $200/day :/ I still did it, but I was a bit disappointed. Then I was pissed, when I found out I can make $200/day working in construction back home, so I left. :p
I was in the AF in the early 2000's. All our weapons instructors were military. At Lackland and Davis-Monthan.
@@acfirby our instructors/teachers were also our Drill Sergeants, but I was specifically referring to the range cadre.
The one dislike is from the airman who believes his/her/their/it’s basic training is equivalent to special forces training.
This solid gentleman (Jameson) went through Marine Corp boot camp….check your feelings at the start of this video. (Ha)
💯🤣🤣🤣🤣
Just assume that's how the identifier identifies how phobic 🙃
Yeah this training doesn’t seem that intense compared to Marines at least seen on this footage.
I’m a vet for the Air Force and even I agree. It really ain’t equivalent at all 😂
Hell, I went through army basic in 93 and it wasn’t anything like special forces…
Back in 67 went thru basic. It was a mostly easy 6 weeks. However; weapons training was two days long. Day one was learn the M16. Day two was shot 100 rounds at a target. Never saw an M16 again until Feb 1968 in up north South Vietnam.
Then what happened?
@@kmdunn72 I know... the suspense is killing me... Perhaps he single-handedly suppressed the entire Tet Offensive! Or maybe he forgot how to use it. Lol.
Did you qualify as expert?
@@kmdunn72 Well we know he made it back lmao
The look on your face - while you are watching this - is enough for me to understand exactly what you are thinking.
When I went through BMT in 99 it was a walk in the park. During firearms training I'm not even sure we fired a whole magazine. It's good to see things have changed.
Jameson..... This will be our beloved Corps in 10 years if we don't get real leadership soon.
Breaks my heart to say that.
It will be your corps regardless . Society is the military . People always forget that . That’s why every generation of the military is less “tough” and disciplined as the last . Natural progression of things ….
Judging by the recent video I saw on gender integrated Marine boot camp, your beloved corps is already there.
@@lawv804 ok hard ass
“Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.”
-G. Michael Hopf
It’s gone sadly
the yelling is polite compared to when I went threw AFBMT in 81
It changed after the BMT rape/sex scandal in 2011ish. MTIs were walking on egghells for a bit and had more rules imposed by big AF.
@@TH-sm9ef Bobby Bass and I think he got off with a slap on the wrist considering the charges.
My DI got court martialed for sleeping with trainees..Was in 01.Crazy how dumb people can be
@@SpaceRanger187 There is just some things you don't do
The Chair Force Bootcamp. Trained in proper chair sitting posture and form. Very important.
I was an infantryman in the 80's. At that time, only men were in combat arms. The 22 weeks of basic training at that time were no joke. This 7.5 weeks of Air Force basic training looks really cute.
The weapons part is just for the qualification, if you go overseas as your first assignment you’ll have to go to CATM for more training after AiT
Most contractors are prior service, especially at the range, it provides consistent training,
I had never seen civilian contractors working for CATM when I was in, but it sounds like a good retirement gig!
I guarantee you that those CONTRACT Range Instructors are all prior military with extensive experience (Maybe some Law Enforcement Range Masters).... True they are not active military BUT they are probably all far more experienced than just about anything the Air Force could provide.. Yes, great retirement gig.
When I was in the Marine Corps back in the early 80s in Okinawa Japan. Lived in open barracks, two man bunk beds, wooden box lockers and one washing machine for 30 people. A high school friend station at Kadena Air Force base about 60 miles way. Had a one person apartment room, free laundry service, a la cart dining. We teased him but envied the hell out of him. The Air Force does provide the most realistic, life long, realistic job training and MOSs than any other branch. If I had to do it again, being smarter and wiser, definitely would go Air Force.
There's no way in hell, I'd join any other branch of the military than the Marine Corps, if I had it all to do over again. I can't even imagine my life without the Marine Corps. USMC '67-'71 RVN '68-'69. WIA 23Feb69.
I was at Camp Hansen in 76-77. Whenever we got to the south end of the island, we would hit Kadena for chow. Salad and dessert bars, china and linen with people busing the tables! Short lived once our unit got the bill from the Air Force!
Air Force basic has changed since I went through. I was prior Army National Guard for four years before joining the active duty Air Force. (Did Army basic and AIT at Ft. Sill in '84 and went USAF in 88). Thanks to that, I only did 11 training days of Air Force basic but it was a laugh riot. Seriously, I had to stifle my laughter at every turn.
because you were so tough as a weekend warrior...
You’re channel is awesome 👌🏻 Thanks
I was usaf 81/93, if you go to a combat oriented squadron, you’ll get that training there and probably field #9 at Hurlburt field in Florida. I was red horse/prime beef my whole time in the usaf. I can tell you in a real world situation, there we be only the sps and combat engineers on the base, for base denial. I went through several hurricane situations and that’s all that was on the base. We were not truly grunts, but we had field training and weapons training, I was trained on grenade launcher, m16, m60, and back then we still carried .38s. Yes, I’ve actually dug foxholes and had to man a perimeter. Again not truly grunts, red horse training was more intense since we were a completely independent combat engineer squadron. Oh, red horse is airborne. Semper Ducimus.
Stationed in Germany, our CATM instructors are combat arms AF, was the same way when I went through basic too so that’s a newer change.
Yeah. Another poster said we (USAF) had contract range instructors back in the 90s, but I can say I never saw any. I was active duty from 1994 to 1998 and in Security Forces, and all our CATM instructors were active duty airmen. After my active duty enlistment, I went to a reserve unit at Travis (349th SFS). Part of that enlistment contract was that I was going to be cross-trained into CATM. I worked with the active duty CATM guys (60th SFS) and our own CATM instructors and I never once saw any civilian instructors. (I never got a chance to go to the CATM school because 9/11 happened right before I was supposed to go, so my training was cancelled and we were all activated for a year (half the unit stayed on for a second year) After that, I ended up going inactive due to getting picked up by a civilian LE agency. But as of then, all the CATM instructors I'd ever met (at numerous bases) were service members and not contractors.
I went through BMT in 1979. 6 weeks and very easy. Good enough for most jobs in the air force. FAC, PJ, Security, etc got the combat related training which may include other military branch schools. In BMT, we only had a rudimentary familiarization with the M-16 rifle. Good to see that the air force has now improved on that. I suppose they learned something from the Iraq and Afghanistan deployments.
Looks like the air force may not always be able to depend on the army or marines for base defense / security. Its good they are now training everybody in basic rifle use.
@@blueduck9409- The Air Force has Security Forces that guard the planes & bases, they receive a lot more combat & weapons training than most of the Air Force.
@@blueduck9409 The Air Force does not rely on the Army or the Marines for base security...
Military loves their acronyms so much, they have acronyms in acronyms.
The military loves its TLA’s……….( three letter acronyms ).
I was an Air Force Aircraft Weapons Troop, and we were in the top of the food chain when it came to being Physically fit.I trained with a group of Marines who were stationed on my base,after of course after proving i had the grit.... people wo havent served in the USAF think its an easy branch, but those of us who've served know that its much more invovled.
AMMO! Order of the flaming piss pot!
Proud of being a former member, Vietnam.
No not really, a friend of mine went to Air Force basic and he was in better shape when he went in then when he came out, a whole 6 weeks later. There are athletes in the Air Force just like any other branch but the Air Force didn’t make them that way, they did it on their own time.
I'm glad there have been some updates to Air Force BMT. If this is actually what they're doing now then it's a great thing.
Interesting to see them holding weapons for training. All my AF buddies said they only held real weapons for a single day during their basic and the rest were rubber dummies.
We still only hold actual weapons a single day. The rest of the time we use M4s that are incapable of firing. The uppers have no gas tube, the front sight post is installed with roll pins instead of proper pins, and some of them have a block welded into the chamber so there’s no way a round could be chambered. The lowers are also made so that there’s no way they could actually function. There’s no hammer because where the trigger group would be it’s not completely milled out.
I heard that too from some AF kids training at Leonardwood
Things are improving for now! During and after Vietnam the Air Force seen the necessity to train most enlisted after some bases we're over ran. Also this training continued into the late 80's. Weapons familiarization, basics of Air Base Ground Defense were provided by Security Forces/SP's twice a year during Red Flag Excersises for general enlisted Air Force members. SF/SP would teach basic Fire team tactics, overwatch, bounding overwatch, Defensive fighting positions for the 60, TNE, setting up sectors for the 60's, compass and grid, also the use of APC's with 60 turrets.
During the cold war era you could have up to, 200/300 Security Forces/SP's on an installation. Some of the training SF/SPs go through would be, Basic SF/SP academy, Air Base Ground Defense, M60 school, Bayonet School, Infantry School Ft. Dix, NJ. A few not all are excepted into Ranger School, and various EST schools which I won't go into.
The training is more inclusive to the mission of the base and sustainability long after a counter strike from certain countries with like capabilities. Some bases have certain priority resources on them that can't be trusted to anyone and defended by anyone, a lot of quiet silent work, now this was 70's/80's/90's.
Some SF/SP training does include Survival and Extreme Cold weather training. SF/SP's used to have regular PT which is very different from general Air Force requirements.
In a nutshell there's a lot more going on behind the scenes and is kept out of the limelight for a reason.
No where not Army or Marines, it's not our mission. Some bases also can be 40 percent enlisted and 60 percent O ranks, you will salute a lot.
Thank you for listening.
Cold Warrior here. Ranger qualified 83..MOUT qualified in Europe 85..level 1 CT 84-86 (ojt)...?????
Having a rifle specialist in the airforce is like the navy having a road March specialist
Hmmm...I qualified expert every time I fired over 25 years, including the many times I fired the Army qualification course. You? Maybe you should do some basic research before running your neck hole as your showing your ignorance.
ABGD
Air base ground defense is every Airmen’s duty
I was stationed in Columbia protecting satellites from the cartels trying to destroy them……
So it’s more like Navy being trained as firemen….. no bldgs no fire trucks but lots of threats of fire
Having a high school diploma in the army is like the navy having a tank driver.
@@MrJeepguy1974 I was on a CSE team and was set to deploy to South America for the same mission in the early 90's...I ended up getting orders to FEW and didn't get to go.
@@MrJeepguy1974 *Colombia
When I went through Air Force basic in 2007, it was mostly drill and ceremony.
My daughter just finished BMT. She had to fib to the doctor about her shin splints or she was getting recycled. It was very tough on her but she got through it. She's in security forces training now and she said it's way tougher than BMT. She did get her marksmanship ribbon for the M-4 so that is cool. Apparently SF is no longer doing any of the law enforcement training as they are 100% focused on base and ICBM site defense. All her training is combat and weapons related stuff and that wasn't what she was wanting to do.
I remember Romper Room. That was filmed in Toronto. Early reefer messaging with DooBee. LOL!!
Bomptity bompity Romper Room and Friends!
I remember it too. Ain't heard that name in 40 years.
I got a doobee plush in my garage that used to dangle over me in the cot.
I was a Drill Instructor in the Marine Corps! 1998 to 2001. All I can say is 😂🤣😂
Thank you for your service sir!
@@ShaneCawthon Herp Derp
This civilian patriot thinks you for your service! Any cool insults you have gave your trainees?
@@pricelessppp 🤫 while Drill Instructors might seem to hate recruits the only reason is that they have a greatest passion for them to be Marines!
I did have a recruit that had a huge mole on his back with hair growing out it, I asked him if he was aware that pets where not allowed in boot camp!😂
Some of my best memories in life came from Marine Corps boot camp as both a recruit and a DI.
Ask any Marine and most will tell you the same.
Kids or young people really look up to people. Even though they may realise they can do it, they forget they played tag or anything because they are nervous. They litterally need to be reminded by stern support from the chain.
Went through USAF BMT in 1979, thought it was more of a boys camp! Go yelled at laughed to myself cause my dad yelled at me more effectively. Served 6.5 years on active duty, after joined the Army Reserve for the next 20 years two of them active duty deployments. Pretty much enjoyed my whole military career!
I think your comments on the yelling and diverse intake is your best take yet on the subject.
it came to me. the why. other countries do it one way but they dont have the diversity for the good and bad we have in states.
@@JamesonsTravels Most of the rounds they were talking about are practice shots. I believe we had 24 test rounds and needed 12 to hit. Most of us were above that. The targets were not that far away and we had red dot sights. I still think 12 is too low in my opinion. What do you think? I hit 19 and never fired a M4. It was definitely not set up to make you even a decent shot if you asked me. Just know enough to load, aim at something, and fire.
@@airmanfloyd719 I was in in the mid-90s and we had a different Q course for the M16 back then. I can't remember precisely, but I believe it was a 40 round course at various sized and shaped targets on the paper with a minimum passing score of 70% (in basic), (80% for Security Forces and 90% for small arms expert/marksmanship ribbon or to become a CATM instructor.)
90 % of these woman would never be able to drag a wounded 200 lb man out of the
Line of fire !! I had them let
Me down before In another first line job , I was left to fight for myself , because she ran away scared ! Never again , glad I am retired !!
I notice that everyone who never served in the air force are incredibly ignorant to what we actually do. It’s so frustrating.
People need to realize all of the branches have their flaws and differences, but when all of our branches work together we have the best military in the world, and that’s not something you can deny. The Airforce has plenty of physically grueling jobs, not as much as other branches per say, but what they do still plays an extremely important roll.
Ya you know why the us navy is so powerful? Is it because of the seals? no it’s because they’re the 2nd biggest Air Force in the world
Avg squid looks about the same as the avg CG, Soldier, or Airman. Only special ops stands out
U know what frustrates me......GIRLS in combat it's embarrassing
@@charliechurch5004 your education is lacking. Women served in combat roles in the Revolutionary War and the War Between The States. THey had to disguise themselves as men to do it, but THEY DID IT.
1974 Basic Combat Training,Fort Jackson, Drill instructors were Vietnam Korea veterans,mean as hell,training new Army.Great fun
That "Aussie Boonie" hat looks ridiculous on that drill instructor.
He just wishes he were one of us.
That would be Army culture, US Army does the same thing with female Drill Sergeants. Don't know what the reasoning for it all was.
This training is leagues beyond what was provided 20+ years ago, when we deployed airman without virtually any expeditionary skills. We did CBRN, qualified with our weapons, and practiced ops in a chemical environment, but in terms of ground combat zero unless you were in certain specific specialties, no training. Two thumbs up.
11:10 wow hearing him say “I want ur feet to hurt so it shows u how be the agile solider” I definitely feel after going to the range and having to do cft next day
Try a 16 click movement under nods in the swamps of lousiana lmao
When I went through Lackland in 1997, we just had to go to the rifle range once, we were told that the easiest way to get recycled and put back in training a week was to mess up on the range so everyone took everything to heart. We were told if the rifle gets a jam to raise our hand and an instructor would clear the jam. Fast forward to post 9/11 and Airman found themselves attached to army convoys, inevitably they would get into fire fights.
Of course during a fire fight when their rifle would jam, up would go the airman’s hand because that is how they were trained. The Air Force has since corrected that training faux pas as the video shows.
God Bless the Chair Force.
Lets go Brandon!
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@@xxsilver_gamingxx389 yeah, says the guy with "gaming" in his user name.
@@MJA5 ok
@@MJA5 🤣🤣🤣
I guess you people never met a pararescueman if you did you might be taught some respect because the average soldier, sailor, marine and airman couldn't hang 30 minutes with those men on the obstacle course, the water or even on the battlefield. It would be like calling a SEAL a Swabbie or a army delta force a cook and a marine recon a drill sargent
Also, I believe the reason the Air Force doesn't train Trainees on tactical movement and basic combat is due to pre-deployment training, it's like setting a base foundation to build upon in the future.
Justin,, you are correct in a sense...why would a services, MNX, finance etc troop need to be trained on a combat or recon patrol or a raid? It would be a waste of resources... I do believe thought that they train all troops on high crawl, low crawl, spider crawl, etc as it could save their lives during an attack on the base.
@@BBouncer Agreed
Our CATM guys were all military. I can't believe they're contracted out now and the military bearing has been lost there. But even back in '07 we had Blackwater instructors. Us PJs and SF stay and train at Lackland and other nearby bases for several months before earning our berets.
Completely agree with everything you said in this video.
I can say as an Air Force vet now I’m going to date myself but i went through basic in 1998 it’s not as intense as other branches by far but when the camera is off it’s definitely more intense than this or was when i was in. I appreciate all your videos been watching for a few months now, great content
My dad went through BMT in 1998 as well. Said it was really easy. He was a little disappointed when I joined the marine corps instead of the air force
I went through basic in 98 myself June 3 to July 17th I was in the 322 flt 430/429.
The general tasks are less intense. But behind closed doors, the TIs were just as mean and sadistic as what I've seen from any of the other services. I went through in 2000.
Also went in in 1998. 321st. Sgt Surgeon was our TI.
I was basic Jun - Jul 1998 , I was in Flt 460 .
Went through bmt a year ago and it was basically like summer camp. There were people in my flight that said it was tough, but maybe being in my mid twenties it made it easier🤷♂️.
I’ve heard so many people say this, they get cocky right afterwards. Like who enjoys getting 3 hours of sleep and then waking up to PT and shouting, getting called a f$$got with spit on your face while you’re doing push-ups. Like I’m not saying it was Vietnam, but it was a bad fucking time lol
I just got out of AF BMT as JBSA Lackland two weeks ago! Currently in tech school, it’s wild seeing the same places I just trained at in this video!! Our BEAST was only two days and we still didn’t do the gas chamber.
I went through this cycle. Some of the videos shown are from my brother and sister flights. I can confirm it is not a grueling experience. But you won’t get through it without effort! We also did not go through the gas chamber or “the raid” as of June-Sep 2021
I think every branch should go through the same type of Recruit Training as the Marine Corps. Our boot camp is designed to push recruits to their absolute limits. It makes you stronger than you were.
AF basic is just that, basic military training. Once you get thru it, you move into your career field specific training. SF/PJ/Combat Control training is every bit as demanding as USMC training.
@@BBouncer 7 1/2 weeks is more like a summer camp and they aren’t pushed to their mental and physical limits. Regardless of MOS the Marine Corps trains everyone the same way.
@@angrymonkey78 7 1/2 weeks is hardly a summer camp and right or wrong, the USAF approaches training differently then our sister services. Our combat specific training begins after basic when we go to our technical training and follow on training. When I went thru in the late 80's
our training began with security/law enforcement training and then we shipped off to Ft Dix NJ where were were trained on infantry tasks tailored to our defensive mission. I can't speak to current Security Forces troops as I have been retired for nearly 10 years, but I can say that my NCO's/troops could integrate with an Army/Marine infantry unit and be effective. It seems as if a lot of people posting to this video judge the entire USAF based off of this singe BMTS video which is not indicative of our ground combat capability.
@@BBouncer I’m not judging anyone I’m just saying the stress level is what I am talking about.
Just depends on which job you are accepted into to..
I spent 1 year in training thru military school.. admin may only do 6 weeks.. every job is important to the mission.. you dont put an admin or clerk thru a years training to push papers, it is just common sense.. and money management..
You make an excellent point at the end about the families at home. I am the proud father of a Marine infantryman, and I every deployment I am comforted by the fact that my "baby boy" has received the best training on the planet.
I did US Army basic shortly after High School at Ft.Bliss TX. It was for the most part what I expected. Physically intense (but easily doable for a 19 year old who didn't smoke) and a learning experience. By the end, I had a lot of respect and admiration for my Drill instructors. I didn't hate anyone or really have a hard time. You learn to react and move as a team w/o question. I got insulted and sworn at a lot but came to understand it was part of the game. To this day, I wish I could track down some of those Drill Sergeants if they're still around. If any one of them showed up at my door, I'd give them anything they asked for. I knew what I was signing up for and I did as I was told. I couldn't throw a grenade very well....but I learned fast!
Oh man...come on...let's beat up on Space Force. USAF BMT is so 1986 (the year I did it). Hey, I stayed for 20 🤣🤣
Is it really that easy
@@xxsilver_gamingxx389 go try it. I participated in 550 aerial flights, 4000 flight hours in a few war zones. Some of our survival training was cool. My ribbon rack looks like a Russian admiral's.
@@MJA5 Um sir, I have to wait 2 years because I’m only a junior 😔 but I’ll be talking to a recruiter soon about the soft book program
You had 25 shots when actually qualifying. You had the hit at least 12 to pass and hit 22 to obtain marksman
Now they have 76 shots with a scope; what a joke.
When I was in in the 90s, the AFQC was a 40 round course. In basic, you needed something like 28 out of 40 to pass and 36 out of 40 for the marksmanship ribbon. Minimum passing for security forces was 32 out of 40 and I believe CATM were required to consistently shoot 36 out of 40 or better.
I think it's completely ridiculous that you can now "pass" the qualification course by getting almost as many misses as hits!
“He must be a softie “ LOOOOL
My TI back in the 80's was a former Marine DI, he was the real deal! Probably having contractors (more than likely prior combat arms instructors) so the other military personnel can be deployed, SF has a low retention rate also.
I live here and they are pud knockers, except for J-Tac. Most join because they know it’s safe and get benefits.
I was in basic 2 years ago, and it was honestly a joke in a lot of aspects, but wasn’t a joke in a lot more aspects. I definitely enjoyed PT. It did make all of us more fit, even the people who went to the gym before coming. The gas chamber was actually still implemented and we went through. BEAST week sucked because it did somewhat mimic the heat in the desert (still brighter in the desert). All in all, it was definitely something good. I personally thought the last video was just a horrible flight and a terrible video. We had more 2 years ago than what they have now. These new airmen, we call them Covid airmen because of how much easier their BMT is compared to people 2 years ago with a full 8.5 week, they honestly just seemed like a good group of airmen, which is good. There’s some flights that are terrible, and by that I mean don’t know team work, don’t know how to shut the hell up and listen, who has attitudes and feel entitled. But some are the literal complete opposite. Sometimes the people who care out weight the ones who don’t so they motivate the ones who don’t. Sometimes you get the ones who are their just for college and don’t care at all so it seems like the whole flight doesn’t care because “there’s no I in team.” This showed a lot about our BMT, but definitely not all of it.
I went through basic in 2020, and the only thing we didnt do was the gas chamber and pugil sticks
I was in Personnel (Human Resource Management) in the Air Force during the early 80s. Did not think much about combat, however a Senior NCO informed me that he fought for his life during Tet, and he was in Personnel at the time. The good thing is we trained with the M16 once a quarter back then. Mostly because many of the senior Air Force Officers and NCOs had experienced during Tet.
My cousin received a DFC in Vietnam. He was a loadmaster, and they got into a serious gunbattle on the ground with the enemy. You need to know how to use those weapons.
Well stated!
I just went through air force bmt... so imma laugh at this
How was it
You didn't get dishonored did you?
@@fallenwolf3368 why would he
@@fallenwolf3368 nah I passed... I'm in tech school now...
@@xxsilver_gamingxx389 it was actually easy... my squadron wasnt in this video sadly but whatever... I think i was the cycle after this video...
Not everyone can become MARINES. One has to be half crazy and half nuts to be a MARINE.
Ooooraghh !
Not everyone wants to be a marine. Some people actually want a career and education so they join the Air Force lol
@@bryantaguilar7573 💀 dang
The only reason the marine is small is because of their budget. If Marine wasn't under the Department of the navy , they would probably have more recruits yearly.
@@ruberami1359 I served USMC, 78-84, we had no budget back then. We had to buy our own uniforms and fix and repair our own heat with our own money. Not to mention, small units in the FMF were more efficient and effective.
We had an Air Force Search and Rescue team assigned to our company/platoon while at NTA Okinawa, in the field for a month. I thought these guys were going to die from fear and exhaustion. They could not keep up with is Grunts. Was a fun experience.
Semper Fi !
Years ago, the point was to eliminate weak links and probable liabilities during basic. The goal was to condition, unify, and prepare for Active Service as a functional component with viable capability. Today, basic seems more about ensuring those who enlist make it through, regardless, with as many considerations as possible.
I went through in 86, handled an M16 once. Deployed to Oman for Desert Shield and was damn lucky we were in the rear. Our Chief didn’t know how to set up a field kitchen. Navy to the rescue!
Contractors should not be teaching weapons drills
They didn't when I went through in 2006.
Yeah I was surprised to see that. But I'm sure they're qualified. Some of the best tactical training I got while I was in was tought by contractors. But sure didn't have contractors in basic.
@@lawv804 what a complete waste of not only money but experience in the ranks
@@zaynevanday142 Air Force has contracted out alot in the last 20 years depending on the base. Civil engineer units used to have plumbers, electricians, carpenters, heavy equipment operators, exterminators, fire department, eod, pest control, and everything else you need to build and maintain a base. The last squadron I was in was all contracted out except eod and fire dept.
I never saw a contracted CATM instructor in my days in the USAF, but I'm not sure I totally agree with you. I suspect these contract employees are highly skilled and experienced, and probably very long term former military and law enforcement firearms instructors with 20 or 30 years of experience. I thought it was weird when I saw it too, but as a former USAF Security Forces guy and someone who's been in LE for around 20 years, I can say I've been taught various firearms techniques by many different instructors from many different agencies over the years, and many of the civilian (LE) instructors were far more experienced and refined in their knowledge and techniques than any average 19 or 20 year old E-3 or E-4 teaching range instruction at the various USAF ranges I've shot at.
I'm curious what the pt score qualifications are now compared. Also the scores themselves.
Edit: 4:43 1 and half mile run? It was 2 miles for me back in 00 and I ran 9:51
It is a point system goes by age. 1.5 mile run, Pushups in 1 min and Situps in 1 min. They got rid of the waste measurement. Yay for me! 9:51 2mile in 2000? You'd definitely pass now! :). You could probably moon walk it and pass.
Sub 10 minute 2 miles are hard to do.
How old were you, did you play any sprts?
I’m sure you did run a 9:51 2 mile lol
@@sneezingpanda0350 It's not THAT hard to run a sub 10 minute 2 mile... but it does take time to train for it.
@@marcosanaya9540 I have 2 young airmen that can do the 1.5 mile in 9:22 and 9:10. And they don’t even run that much. Some people just got the gift. 😁. Not saying that equates. However, I was happy finishing basic with a 15:35 2mile. I think you had to pass with 18:00 or under for dudes back then.
Went through USAF BMT Feb 1979, being a county boy, athlete, Eagle Scout from rural area northwest of Houston. It was like big boys advanced summer camp. I had football coaches tougher than the MTI’s. My 10 days at Philmont Scout Reservation was harder.
Philmont rocks!
This training looks way better than I expected for the air force.
My son went through a few years ago, and it sounded pretty soft. But they seem to be giving a good set of skills here.
it doesn't
The U.S. needs people in the military who look to find and overcome difficult challenges. Warfighting is a challenge and we don't need soft, weak-spined whimps fighting our battles.
@ IsaacT
Umm no! 🤣
I’m Air Force Veteran.
I would not join any other branch.
We all get paid the same, get the same benefits while on active duty and once we separate get the same benefits also. I’m not going to a Marine boot camp or join the Marines because I want a “challenge”! I worked smarter and not harder.
Air Force here. Our basic training is a joke.
Hey! I can make a mean bed!
@@marcosanaya9540 and perfectly fold a t-shirt.
Bro no way you made me ur thumbnail😭😭😭 it was like 112 degrees and they had me wearing a mask
I went through Navy boot in the early 70s in Orlando. It was mostly classroom training. If a black flag was flying no strenuous activity was authorized. One afternoon I got a pass to go to the commissary and was jogging over. I get stopped for running when a black flag was flying. When asked why, I responded I’m from GA and I don’t like cold weather. He gives me a puzzled look and says carry on recruit.
I was in the Air Force. I went in as a security forces mp. I will say this,basic isnt bad. But the training for security forces is harder than basic. And guys were dropping out cause the police training was harder than basic. You had to be a tough person to make it through both. Basic and police academy are 7 mths all together. That is a whole different animal from regular air force. We trained next to the Marine fire department trainees. Trust me we were getting smoked right next to them. In the air force it all depends on what career field you get into. If your a pensil pusher you will do 7 weeks of basic and that's it. But if your a SF or PJ your gonna get your nuts smoked for 7 mths to a year. I know I went there.
Did you just compare the Air Police to Pararescue?
Do not compare Security Forces to PJ’s. The pipeline for a PJ is longer than a year and their careers/mission profiles are vastly different.
As a USAF veteran myself your comment is extremely vacuous.
I didn't know marines also trained with you guys. I'm a new firefighter in the air force and our tech school had all branches and foreign troops at the fire academy. Did they have extra training they needed?
I heard their para-rescue guys go through good, tough training.
TAC-P?
@@marcosanaya9540 the airmen tasked with rescuing downed pilots behind enemy lines. I know they have an MOS or specialty, is it TAC-P?
@@brianpartlow5530 it's special forces medics that are super advanced they go to school for like 2 years also there's combat controllers they're also special forces they go to school just as long...
@@brianpartlow5530 Tac P is Tactical Control Party. They are attached to an Army infantry/SF unit and their function is to call in air strikes.
USMC: 12 weeks of boot, then another month "Intensive Training Battalion" before going into a combat zone (Vietnam). Even with all that training, you are still not prepare for the real deal. I feel for these new recruits... I pray they never have to see combat.
Graduated in September. The shooting qual is definitely just to get people comfortable around weapons and build confidence. I would say that it accomplishes it’s purpose.
As for “I’m glad it’s not just power point”, right after we learned how to put on the CBRN gear we had a couple hours of power point class.
After I finished my enlistment in the army as an infantrymen I signed up and went in the Air Force. Most of these kids will leave this training and forget anything they may have learned within the first year. They will assume some maintenance role. The lack of discipline and military baring is staggering. I was disappointed in the lack of integrity from top to bottom. They are proficient enough to get by at what ever job they are assigned but most have zero ambition otherwise. Rank is obtained by taking written tests specific to the AFSC or MOS and good leadership is more then rare. The upper ranks are full of bureaucrats and the lower ranks reminded me of frat boys. At no point in my Air Force enlistment was I lacking for disappointment. The Air Force is no place for a soldier or marine.
I was USAF Security Forces in the 90s and early 2000s, and I can't really blame you for saying that. Most of us in Security Forces (at least the squared away ones) felt the same way you do about most other AFSCs in the Air Force. When we deployed, we referred to all the other AFSCs we were there to protect as "civilians in uniform" or as "the tourists."
I also used to assist CATM as a range safety officer and I'll never forget when I was there helping out for the annual M16 qualifications for the Medical Group personnel. I remember being on the line next to a female Major. She was a medical doctor, and perhaps a good one, but it looked as though she had literally never seen a firearm before. She first tried to insert the magazine backwards and after fixing that, she then had no idea how to release the bolt. Then after I showed her, she was unable to complete the course of fire because she couldn't find the selector lever in order to put the rifle on semi. This was all after she had gone through a solid hour in the classroom refreshing everyone on the operation of the rifle. It was just embarrassing to witness. (She was just one on the line who stands out to me, but there were other equally incompetent officers and NCOs in her class despite most of them having a decade or more on active duty!) It was just ridiculous.
@@skyhawk_4526 And to think of them as trained combatants. Part of the Armed Forces. An American fighting man. (Now woman)
@@BBouncer good point! Yes the bomber crews of b52s, And fighter pilots during Vietnam and security forces around the airfields were pretty brave.
I'm talking to by brother in arms, we are both Marine Vets, and he decides to enlist into the Air Force Reserve... he tells me stories of the utter lack of military discipline and lack of military bearing in the AF... he is a total outlier but he leads by example... he is a SNCO in the AF Reserve and has a different way of leading the troops. Semper Fi
Seems like DoD loves to experiment with changing up AF BMT. My BMT TI was an Army Ranger qualified Security Forces Raven who witnessed the Khobar Towers terrorist attack. Under him, Basic Training was pretty intense. But whenever I watch these videos it’s nowhere near how it actually was for me. Yes the training has changed a little bit, looks like they added some small unit stuff but what I’m noticing is the recruits are just different- there’s a different feel to them overall, but maybe that’s just the old man in me naturally criticizing inexperience. Then again, we had the luxury of not having a videographer adding extra pressure on us to perform stuff we were just learning
Everyone has different mtis, one of mine was Security Forces raven and he was mean and intense the whole way through. Had another that was maintenance and he was pretty crazy too. This video they show some yelling, but they gotta cut some outit out to show the other aspects of training.
The previous softer video was basic training for the space force. As an AF vet I really enjoyed basic personally and the yelling was amazing. How those guys would rip you apart in the most hilarious ways.
Great video! Happy holidaze to jameson travels and prosperous newyear 2022!