The reason the Shergold is so nice and easy to play apart from the short 30” scale is because it feels very much like a classical nylon stringed guitar - a very flat radius and the strings are widely spaced apart like a classical. So you can play chords very naturally and will feel familiar compared to the Fender Bass Vi which are much more narrowly spaced. They really do feel quite different from each other which is why both Robert Smith and Hook have found a sound quite distinct from another. The Hooky bass pickup is pretty high output and will drive the input of a valve guitar amp pretty easily. I’ve yet to try the Eastwood - I’m talking of my own experience with owning Shergolds
Isolation!! Excellent video. I had been wondering about 80s new wave sound production, but it turns out it's a little less complicated than I had assumed. Awesome! It's a bass!!
I bought a Marathon Bass Vi new from Shergold in 1985. Jack Golder was a bit of character! In the end I ordered it through a mom and pop store in Harlesden North London as it was quite a lot cheaper. It only took 3 weeks to be ready although I suspect he had many of the parts already made. I ordered a black one and when I picked it up it was a kind of tobacco sunburst!! I was a bit disappointed at the time but it was a great instrument and quickly got over the wrong colour. I’m tempted to order one of the Eastwoods. I’ve owned two Marathons and also the super rare Modulator which was a two pickup version, Schaller tuners and the swappable electrics module. I think the single pickup version is livelier sounding as the huge humbucker magnets have quite a pull on the strings. In the Peter Hook interview he mentions that Shergold made kitchens - that’s actually true and by the time I ordered mine I think the guitar building was a sideline. At least mine wasn’t finished in Formica!
Sounds great! Mine arrived today in the black also - what a great instrument and plays well out of the box. Looking forward to getting in touch with my inner Peter Hook as you’ve clearly done!
I got mine last week as well (black!), very impressed. I was lucky enough to acquire a Marathon6 a few years ago and met Hooky at one of his book signings for him to autograph for me. Sound wise, I can't tell the difference. The pickup toggle does nearly the same phase split that the Shergolds were known for. As for the commentary relating to the Closer album, Hooky also used a Yamaha BB1200 (see Love Will Tear Us Apart video) in that era. The Hondo Rickenbaker copy he used previously developed some problems by then and was 'retired' from gigging.
So looking forward to getting mine (October delivery estimate). I went for the black finish as well, but I'm going to change the scratch plate for black single ply.
"Plays" -- he's still currently in business playing JD and NO songs -- i've seen him twice in last couple of years and even met him personally. He's every bit a rock star.
Bel demo! For everyone that is into dark/post punk I suggest to listen the albums Siberia by Diaframma and Desaparecido by Litfiba, you will not regret!
Haha, i bought this bass because it matches my heart. It sounds worthy, and with that ability to allow for standard guitar scale runs, some chords. I have 4 basses including the VST guitar called RealEight that has a bonus bass added to it, for use with FL Studio. A Maya 4string, my dad's groovy El Degas 70's precision fender copy with flatwounds on it, a red kramer bass that is like a copy of a steinberger, that i lent to a neighbor and should go pick it up because its been a few years already, and may get a stand up bass at some point because well, they are worthy too. I want to get a yamaha classical that is called a silent guitar, and their regular acoustic version of the silent guitar, they rely on being plugged in to be louder and seem to have a sampled adjustable acoustic tone with built in reverb and chorus. They are interesting as they are basically like a steinberger though with guitar body outlines to clip into place. Keep on inspiring as this is what you do, and keep on rolling, when you rock.
I’ve always wanted an Aria Pro like John Taylor also. But since I’m mainly a keyboardist, owning a bunch of basses and guitars doesn’t make a lot of sense considering my skill level on these instruments(or lack there of). The Eastwood sounds great. Rock on!
I'm a bass player who has keyboards as his second instrument. If you shop around, a lot of Matsumoku made basses can still be found at affordable prices and most of them used the same split Precision style pickup that would get you the John Taylor sound. I have a Westone Thunder, one of the most common Matsumoku made basses, and it gets the same tones as the more sought after Aria branded basses.
Nice job Paolo congrats 👌please show some arrangement ideas of synth bass with bass guitar.my daughter in law plays djembe and started to play the bass guitar too and wanna know some ideas
Ciao Paolo, are you familiar with the band New Model Army? They formed in UK 1980. Their original bass player Stuart Morrow was simply fantastic. Very driving, and gymnastic lead bass style. I feel you would enjoy it. grazie
@@SynthManiaDotCom I had forgotten about that one! So, another pair of New Order and The Cure songs that sound similar to each other, like Blue Monday / The Walk and All The Way / Just Like Heaven
got my Eastwood Hooky Bass 6 PRO 2 weeks ago it's amazing. glad you got it , I also invited you the to the marathon 6 Facebook page you should definitely join there's a lot of information on how to set up the Eastwood. also are you going to get Peter hook signature 4-string model from Yamaha later this year?
Hello, fantastic tones you got there. Mind sharing your chorus settings? I have a vintage BOSS chorus pedal, but I am thinking about changing it. What do you reckon?
If you're looking particularly for the Peter Hook sound, it's best to use Electro-Harmonix (vintage or reissue) instead of vintage BOSS. But both brands have a good sound.
It's not entirely clear which bass he used on each song. I've seen him in interviews where he usually says the Shergold appears on all the Closer tracks, but I'm not convinced. He does kind of gloss over details, such as his first Yamaha being the non active one that's clearly shown in the LWTUA video. That one was stolen on New Order's first US tour and was then replaced with the active version.
Yeah, it's hard to tell in the mix - I have a BB300 which has some of the sound but it's passive - I never had a chance to try an (active) BB1200S so I'm not 100% sure about the sound. But I go by what Peter Hook said - that he used the Shergold 6-string on most tracks in Closer and those tracks to me sound like the Marathon indeed. At 9:50 and through the interview: czcams.com/video/tekCEfPsrRQ/video.html
Neither of the two - he uses the red hollow body Eccleshall there - although his son uses the new Yamaha. I get the idea that the gear is not the important factor for him, but the songs are - and while we all like gear, that is the way it should always be anyway.
@@SynthManiaDotCom When I've seen Peter Hook and the Light he alternated between a pair of Eccleshalls and a Shergold. His son alternated between a Yamaha and a Shergold. Interestingly Peter switched back to a HiWatt amp from an Ashdown the last couple of times I saw him. I think his son is sponsored by Ashdown so he's probably stuck with them. (I loathe Ashdown amps - wooly sounding and the controls do virtually nothing).
I never heard of this Peter Hook before, but this is the fun part of videos like this (the intro sounded like The Cure to me, what do I know?); I started looking on Wikipedia and found Monaco was a project of his and I was intrigued by their first single. Signature sounds apparently appeal and are recognized in whatever band or context they are played (like guitar player Ian Bairnson, who's solos I loved, not knowing it was him every time in all these different bands).
The Cure came slightly after Joy Division and they spent their first few years being accused of stealing the Hooky bass tone Although that tone can be more attributed to Martin Hannett, their producer and visionary
The intro music is my (butchered) version of "Dreams Never End" - from Movement - their first album after the end of Joy Division and transition to New Order. That style of 8-beat with the double bass drum, overdrive guitar and high bass was very popular in early to mid '80s New Wave bands overall.
You might not have heard of Peter Hook but, I can almost guarantee you've heard his bass lines. If not from Joy Division, then most likely from New Order songs, particularly _'Blue Monday'_ - the biggest selling 12" single if all time.
@@SetFire2TheNightSky That was exactly what i was trying to say. And it's even more striking when you recognize their sound when they play(ed) in multiple bands and projects.
This model in particular is stringed bass VI, that is E to E like a normal guitar, but an octave lower. The other six string basses that you mention typically go B to C.
This bass has 24 frets, so it has a higher range of notes. The neck is noticeably wider than the Squier, making it feel more like a bass than a guitar in disguise. The Squier has a whammy bar, though.
The reason the Shergold is so nice and easy to play apart from the short 30” scale is because it feels very much like a classical nylon stringed guitar - a very flat radius and the strings are widely spaced apart like a classical. So you can play chords very naturally and will feel familiar compared to the Fender Bass Vi which are much more narrowly spaced. They really do feel quite different from each other which is why both Robert Smith and Hook have found a sound quite distinct from another. The Hooky bass pickup is pretty high output and will drive the input of a valve guitar amp pretty easily. I’ve yet to try the Eastwood - I’m talking of my own experience with owning Shergolds
And here it is!!!! Black and gold looks great!
🥰 REd is just as nice, though :D
Isolation!! Excellent video. I had been wondering about 80s new wave sound production, but it turns out it's a little less complicated than I had assumed. Awesome! It's a bass!!
Cool, thanks!
"black like my heart" - got a chuckle out of that one Paolo!
:-D
1:56 "Black like my heart"
Nice tone.
I bought a Marathon Bass Vi new from Shergold in 1985. Jack Golder was a bit of character! In the end I ordered it through a mom and pop store in Harlesden North London as it was quite a lot cheaper. It only took 3 weeks to be ready although I suspect he had many of the parts already made. I ordered a black one and when I picked it up it was a kind of tobacco sunburst!! I was a bit disappointed at the time but it was a great instrument and quickly got over the wrong colour. I’m tempted to order one of the Eastwoods. I’ve owned two Marathons and also the super rare Modulator which was a two pickup version, Schaller tuners and the swappable electrics module. I think the single pickup version is livelier sounding as the huge humbucker magnets have quite a pull on the strings. In the Peter Hook interview he mentions that Shergold made kitchens - that’s actually true and by the time I ordered mine I think the guitar building was a sideline. At least mine wasn’t finished in Formica!
Amazing how simple Hook’s melodies are, but they’re so catchy and effective.
Sounds great! Mine arrived today in the black also - what a great instrument and plays well out of the box. Looking forward to getting in touch with my inner Peter Hook as you’ve clearly done!
I got mine last week as well (black!), very impressed. I was lucky enough to acquire a Marathon6 a few years ago and met Hooky at one of his book signings for him to autograph for me. Sound wise, I can't tell the difference. The pickup toggle does nearly the same phase split that the Shergolds were known for. As for the commentary relating to the Closer album, Hooky also used a Yamaha BB1200 (see Love Will Tear Us Apart video) in that era. The Hondo Rickenbaker copy he used previously developed some problems by then and was 'retired' from gigging.
So looking forward to getting mine (October delivery estimate). I went for the black finish as well, but I'm going to change the scratch plate for black single ply.
That will look super cool indeed
Lucky you man!!! Hope you have a blast with it
Me too, I'm getting mines in October, hopefully.
Peter Hook played bass like it was a guitar.
"Plays" -- he's still currently in business playing JD and NO songs -- i've seen him twice in last couple of years and even met him personally. He's every bit a rock star.
It is a guitar. A bass guitar.
@@BobPapadopoulos well...whatever...
Bel demo! For everyone that is into dark/post punk I suggest to listen the albums Siberia by Diaframma and Desaparecido by Litfiba, you will not regret!
Yup -Saw both bands live many times back in the day :)
@@SynthManiaDotCom Grande!
Clone theory sounds great!
Sound so good, so 80’s! Woah!
Haha, i bought this bass because it matches my heart. It sounds worthy, and with that ability to allow for standard guitar scale runs, some chords.
I have 4 basses including the VST guitar called RealEight that has a bonus bass added to it, for use with FL Studio.
A Maya 4string, my dad's groovy El Degas 70's precision fender copy with flatwounds on it, a red kramer bass that is like a copy of a steinberger, that i lent to a neighbor and should go pick it up because its been a few years already, and may get a stand up bass at some point because well, they are worthy too. I want to get a yamaha classical that is called a silent guitar, and their regular acoustic version of the silent guitar, they rely on being plugged in to be louder and seem to have a sampled adjustable acoustic tone with built in reverb and chorus. They are interesting as they are basically like a steinberger though with guitar body outlines to clip into place.
Keep on inspiring as this is what you do, and keep on rolling, when you rock.
It sounds like you just unboxed the 1980s. Can you do the setup on as a video.
What guitar does a synth guy buy? A Peter Hook bass guitar! (Or a headless steinberger)
Nice sounding bass. I hope to hear more of it in future videos.
I got mine today too... Exactly like yours but left handed
High notes sound amazing
I agree
So close to a guitar and a Bass at the same time
I’ve always wanted an Aria Pro like John Taylor also. But since I’m mainly a keyboardist, owning a bunch of basses and guitars doesn’t make a lot of sense considering my skill level on these instruments(or lack there of). The Eastwood sounds great. Rock on!
I'm a bass player who has keyboards as his second instrument. If you shop around, a lot of Matsumoku made basses can still be found at affordable prices and most of them used the same split Precision style pickup that would get you the John Taylor sound. I have a Westone Thunder, one of the most common Matsumoku made basses, and it gets the same tones as the more sought after Aria branded basses.
Chris Wareham great info. Thanks!
Eastwood has an Sb100 project coming up!
Like the sound of this bass.
Have you seen the Eastwood hooky Raider ? A copy of the Shergold masquerade the Bernard Summer black guitar.
Nice job Paolo congrats 👌please show some arrangement ideas of synth bass with bass guitar.my daughter in law plays djembe and started to play the bass guitar too and wanna know some ideas
Ciao Paolo, are you familiar with the band New Model Army? They formed in UK 1980. Their original bass player Stuart Morrow was simply fantastic. Very driving, and gymnastic lead bass style. I feel you would enjoy it. grazie
Yup, I remember them from the '80s :)
Nice! The intro reminds me of In Between Days
Thank you, the intro is Dreams Never End
@@SynthManiaDotCom I had forgotten about that one! So, another pair of New Order and The Cure songs that sound similar to each other, like Blue Monday / The Walk and All The Way / Just Like Heaven
Love your Italo jams but wondering if you will ever try a synthwave style track?
Good to see a zero fret, I've got a Shergold, great to play. Why didn't they make it white like the original, I wonder.
They do make it in white, red, and black. And apparently also Hacienda blue, and sunburst for the second production
got my Eastwood Hooky Bass 6 PRO 2 weeks ago it's amazing. glad you got it , I also invited you the to the marathon 6 Facebook page you should definitely join there's a lot of information on how to set up the Eastwood. also are you going to get Peter hook signature 4-string model from Yamaha later this year?
Thanks, I must have missed it, I'll join it!
It says 'waiting to be approved by moderator'..... yes, I'm definitely looking at the SB although I have an SB300 which has some of the sound ;D
😍
Hello, fantastic tones you got there. Mind sharing your chorus settings? I have a vintage BOSS chorus pedal, but I am thinking about changing it. What do you reckon?
If you're looking particularly for the Peter Hook sound, it's best to use Electro-Harmonix (vintage or reissue) instead of vintage BOSS. But both brands have a good sound.
6:26 riff
Joy Division, what a legendary band!
Very nice 👍
Thank you! Cheers!
recieved the hooky to day...tuners all say its in tune,but it does not play in tunegg.
Check the intonation czcams.com/video/zeImj3rC77E/video.html
What's the song playing during the unboxing? Sounds really great.
Dreams Never End
i thoucht my rickenbacker 2004 would be my unlimategg bass but the eastwood could over takegg that.will find oot in october.
Any intonation issues out of the box? The squier bass vi was a nightmare in that area...
Intonation is good on mine
Does the bass come with the gig bag or did you have to order it separately?
You have to order it separately
I'n intrigued they just can copy the headstock. Shergold is still exisiting, aren't they?
Not the "original" Shergold just someone who resurrected the brand, and I doubt the body or headstock shape was trademarked.
@@chriswareham OK, Thx
Wait a minute, didn't Hooky used 4-string bass on Isolation, Atrocity Exhibition and Decades? But anyway, that guitar sounds great.
It's not entirely clear which bass he used on each song. I've seen him in interviews where he usually says the Shergold appears on all the Closer tracks, but I'm not convinced. He does kind of gloss over details, such as his first Yamaha being the non active one that's clearly shown in the LWTUA video. That one was stolen on New Order's first US tour and was then replaced with the active version.
Yeah, it's hard to tell in the mix - I have a BB300 which has some of the sound but it's passive - I never had a chance to try an (active) BB1200S so I'm not 100% sure about the sound. But I go by what Peter Hook said - that he used the Shergold 6-string on most tracks in Closer and those tracks to me sound like the Marathon indeed. At 9:50 and through the interview: czcams.com/video/tekCEfPsrRQ/video.html
You can look at the peter hook & the light live performance videos of Closer to see what bass he uses for each song.
Neither of the two - he uses the red hollow body Eccleshall there - although his son uses the new Yamaha. I get the idea that the gear is not the important factor for him, but the songs are - and while we all like gear, that is the way it should always be anyway.
@@SynthManiaDotCom When I've seen Peter Hook and the Light he alternated between a pair of Eccleshalls and a Shergold. His son alternated between a Yamaha and a Shergold. Interestingly Peter switched back to a HiWatt amp from an Ashdown the last couple of times I saw him. I think his son is sponsored by Ashdown so he's probably stuck with them. (I loathe Ashdown amps - wooly sounding and the controls do virtually nothing).
I never heard of this Peter Hook before, but this is the fun part of videos like this (the intro sounded like The Cure to me, what do I know?); I started looking on Wikipedia and found Monaco was a project of his and I was intrigued by their first single. Signature sounds apparently appeal and are recognized in whatever band or context they are played (like guitar player Ian Bairnson, who's solos I loved, not knowing it was him every time in all these different bands).
The Cure came slightly after Joy Division and they spent their first few years being accused of stealing the Hooky bass tone
Although that tone can be more attributed to Martin Hannett, their producer and visionary
The intro music is my (butchered) version of "Dreams Never End" - from Movement - their first album after the end of Joy Division and transition to New Order. That style of 8-beat with the double bass drum, overdrive guitar and high bass was very popular in early to mid '80s New Wave bands overall.
You might not have heard of Peter Hook but, I can almost guarantee you've heard his bass lines. If not from Joy Division, then most likely from New Order songs, particularly _'Blue Monday'_ - the biggest selling 12" single if all time.
@@SetFire2TheNightSky That was exactly what i was trying to say. And it's even more striking when you recognize their sound when they play(ed) in multiple bands and projects.
Hi. Whats the brand of strings that you are using? Thanks
Hello, those in the video were GHS nickel 30-40-50-60-85-105
The normal strings in the middle? Low B and high B string added?
This model in particular is stringed bass VI, that is E to E like a normal guitar, but an octave lower. The other six string basses that you mention typically go B to C.
How does this compare to something like the Squier Bass VI?
This bass has 24 frets, so it has a higher range of notes.
The neck is noticeably wider than the Squier, making it feel more like a bass than a guitar in disguise. The Squier has a whammy bar, though.
The five downvotes are all from Bernard Sumner.
Slap it like Davie 504!
For slap I like to use Jazz or Stingray :)
@@SynthManiaDotCom Just a little joke. I like you Postpunk Style so much!
Weird way of picking
I'm not a normie.