You don’t see the danger of your conditioning | Krishnamurti
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When you have some ""moments of clarity"" you don´t wanna come back anymore to conditioning, from that point you observe with pretty much more enthusiasm
''When that enjoyment is pursued by thought, wanting it to be repeated tomorrow, then it becomes pleasure. And pleasure has nothing whatsoever to do with joy. '' Beautifully explained.
Thanks to my father who introduced me to Krishnamurti through books as a child. Pranam.
Same, although my Dad only introduced him to us as kids, he never influenced us in anyway. it was only much later on our own journeys that we stumbled upon JK again.
I read 'The Awakening of Intelligence' when i was 22, changed my life. Liked and subbed.
there has to exist 2 worlds, not everyone is going to get in this lifetime ,and that is fine without a system this place would be much much worse, thats why money and a society was created, its needed, there was a time i was against it all and wanted everything torn down, (luckly I never acted out on these physically)but when you get the message, there is another world to become apart of. we must go inward there's nothing outside of ourselves that will bring true happiness. see you forever
Not only do we not see the danger of our conditioning, we don't see our conditioning at all.
Yup
Why don't we see
@@ForeverTillend find out yourself, really look for it, i'm trying to do this aswell
Becouse we are conitioned not to understand😂
Becouse sound oh hesds / thoughts and imotion running all the time 24/ 7 days without our understanding/ automatically😢
Therefore we can not observe what is going on in our body/brain.
Our attention is lost itself in objects😮. We are not awaken from this dream🎉.
When you have some ""moments of clarity"" you don´t wanna come back anymore to conditioning, from that point you observe with pretty much more enthusiasm
He speaks with such urgency, because it is an urgent matter to be addressed by human being if that human being desires freedom. He always speaks in a way that draws you in to his process, engaging you to truly dismantle your stuckness. He is like a surgeon, and wastes no time cutting immediately and with precision. Even though he severed all ties with Theosophy. There was great wisdom in how they chose this child and not another to be a great teacher. He did not prosper in the way they planned, but he did prosper in the same field, in a different manner, his own manner, his own revelations.
@@brucehitchcock3869 where did K say that? Share the exact clip or book reference.
That is my feeling too. I hsve forgotten what attracted me to Theosophy yet its while attempting to understand it I found K. I am glad I found him but what a journey for him to get here!❤
In a interview, JK says, theosophists were actually searching for a kid of this type as they were clairvoyants. He says, they had already chosen a boy from US but upon finding JK , the US boy was sent home.
Commenting is pretty pointless when all we need to do is listen to his simple message.
Seekers, to me, are often the most annoying and tedious people. They are sanctimonious, believing they can achieve what others can't, completely oblivious to the simple wisdom that some around them naturally have. Enlightenment is a pointless goal, as it's just a projection of the seekers imagination and complementary to their dubious self image. The driven ego is repellent and is the prison of the mind for so-called spiritual people.
Enjoy your life, stay awake and observe keenly. Be kind, have compassion and empathy, and have a balanced life.
It’s only when you are confused, not clear, then you choose, and out of that choice, you create conflict. So true
His teaching is so simple but one requires seriousness...
No, just your attention.
To be patiently alert.
"Choice only exists when there is confusion" 10:35
What extraordinary clarity.
I saw the danger of conditioning when I was 40...and still facing it 20 years after.
I’m 27 is it too late?
@@porothashawarma2339 It's never too late for anything. And even if it is "late", it's better "late" than never.
I was like 7. Became hard to fit in after that lol. Oh well. I'm laughing at myself as I am in this conversation. Happens from time to time.
Cost of self production...
@@porothashawarma2339 Breaking through conditioning, through all the held beliefs is an incredible journey and it's never too late to start. It's also the most rewarding journey as it benefits every aspect of your life and that of people around you, may all beings be at peace
Nice timing, a couple days ago I found a tiny snake in the garden and one of my family members who is 90 has been going on and on about it, warning "be careful, they are dangerous" etc. Me finding and holding it didn't sit well with him - it brought back some memories, he is afraid of them because of his time in Vietnam.
What more needs to be said? ❤ He gets right to the point.
This danger is of great focus in the domain of addiction and recovery. The ‘me’ being the content of ones conciousness goes ahead and creates a chooser. A chooser that then has a choice. One between addictive patterns or not. An instaneous solving for this dilemma requires great seriousness. With the maintenance of this seriousness, the brain goes through a mutation. The pathways which creates urges ends. Other pathways are cultivated. The evidence of the brains change is always now. Although the brain can be seen to change over recorded instances. Say through scans. But the observation of the change is always now.
Yes you must admit and agree to be an addict or alcoholic which has no end you must choose to not be which is why AA can be dangerous
What do you mean by this? AA dangerous?
Absolutely great dialogue for guidance w hich required for ordinary people
Muchísimas gracias!!!❤🙏😊
Powerful! 🙏
We have not been trained to recognize conditioning and even though having learned and practiced awareness, remembering the danger of being who we are not, our mechanism functions between returning and leaving altogether. Time after time.
We are in danger of wasting our enitre lives, trying to satisfy the 'me' whose very nature is dissatisfaction. Even if we get what the me wanted, it is far inferior to what we could have had. If a caterpillar had goals, it would try to have 200 legs instead of 100. It would never conceive of becoming a butterfly. That would be fat beyond its imagination. So the same is true with us when it comes to our nature.
Careful, you're oversimplifying the nature of the mind.
Thank you 🙏🙏
Wonderful
As always exceptional
Beautiful video 😍
Great talk thanks
Thanks a lot
K. in this Insight show us the Truth!
The conditioning is really dangerous. The conditioning of the Law.
So true!
Choiceless awarness is the stillness.
Very helpful extract, KFT
Blame the 'internet' for Today's Generation of Confused individuals. Desperately trying to "define much more find their True Selves" while living vicariously through others on the internet. REALIZE THAT.
divide from the me that divides
leave behind progress to advance 🎉
Thanks
Thank you for your support
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The 'me' should be purified by avoiding lust, vengeance, miserliness, greed, ego, envy.
The pure consciousness which is devoid of all the six above has no conflict and so not conditioned by any outer source or authority.
whenever you say "should be', you are missing the point.
And what would that give to me?
Krishnamurti would have done well to follow that advice himself.🤣
6:33 had me thinking profoundly.
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Conditioning is everywhere. If you try to escape one , another will grip you .
Igrorance is bliss!!!
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I find much easier to accept me in paradise, than seeing a danger everywhere. There is plenty of abundance to be wrong , to be right and to just be. Why choose?? Why setting the goal of not setting a goal?? Why do we need to answer all questions and why cannot we create our own answers? I say to me that in paradise there is place for hell, for heaven and even for me. I aldo say that i love my hate, my rejection, and that love is not obligatory otherwise it is not love. You don't have to see it like me, it will be obvious when you love yourself. Each of us is worthy, I trust my brothers and sisters. Your path was always the best path. Krishna had his path and is doing the best to his hability to share it but your path is your path. I love myself when i can out of my free will. I make it as easy as possible for ME.
And I am including I on purpose, because my ego is a mirror where i can see my needs. I love my ego, when i can. Become it is not obligatory to love myself.
You are missing the point. Your ego is talking about hedonism.... He's talking about something completely different.
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Praise be to God The Absolute. I did not want to hear this but I needed too. Sometimes I wonder if watching these videos is just strengthening my ego making me feel like I’m smart when really I only see all this as a mere concept.
"God" is a condition the society has fooled you into.
I struggle with this as well. Spiritual ego can be far more powerful than the the ordinary material ego.
that is exactly what you are doing.
I think it is worth running the risk. It feels important to be aware a direct experience of what is - is possible. These videos bring me this chance of becoming conscious of this possibility of the direct experience.
Up to 1:55 what a precise question, a very difficult one I might add.
LOOK LISTEN 6:29!
7:59
My 100's of generations have said peaceful community is also dangerous
I was born unconditionable. This defect made me the wisest man to exist. Now I free millions from the vail.
Glad to hear it
Strongly against a cheap playing cheap
As the MASTER this servant can calm down a little. Relax a bit.
⭕ It's same with all the religions ⭕
How to I know how dangerous thoughts are? rookie here please show some guidance
can int get more vintage than the effects of time?
Practice Zen and you will find many 'Me's' I. Even then whats the point. One day we die all.
Ok
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I'm ashamed by myself
I don't don't see the danger of my conditioning because there is no I.
It's not about seeing , it's feeling unable to do anything about it.
Allow the inability. Allow the feeling of being unable. Seeing that is the doing.
How to find out this if we are completely conditioned
I mean we don't get this how to discover the unknown if we in the trap of known and can't able to find the unknown
CORRUPTION: Conditioning says it is a form of street smart, an extension of self preservation for some. Logic says that if someone pulls off the planks/panels from the hull of a ship to selfishly line their own cabin then everyone in that ship will become shark bait when the vessel sinks.
K is well-spoken and has an engaging presence, but having a natural mind (as they say, being ENLIGHTENED) and teaching/communicating are 2 different considerations. One consideration does not necessarily translate into the other. Teaching and communicating are definitely skill sets. Ppl did not understand what he said bcz the natural "go-to" is; HOW DO I DO WHAT HE SUGGESTS? And there's no how to w regard to natural mind. The activity of asking any question is the very activity of blocking the natural mind from manifesting, as it were. So he needed to seek assistance in delivering his message rather than flushing 60 yrs of his life down the drain repeating the same things over and over again never endingly. Having said that, there has never been a spiritual being on the face of this world EVER who was as immense and w such tremendous integrity as Jiddu Krishnamurti. That's a FACT...😮 Jesus and Buddha were a couple of goof-balls compared to this guy.
Jesus and Buddha weren't goofballs, it's the people who tried to emulate them who were the goofballs.
One does not see the full meaning of the 'me' in the present moment. So it is not fully understood. We call the 'me' the bad inferiors things wich we hate and don't like and judge in others and in ourselves and think that is the 'Me': one could not possible be so far away from truth with this view
" Common sense" - the least common of all senses.
what?
I like the danger for it will destroy them 😂😂
If the concept of 'me' is not important what and who is important then.... I don't understand this man and his conclusions...Each human being live in a culture, a community, a society with developed socio-economic structures....therefore we all are conditioned in a way and it is almost impossible to step out from it...
K. Dosn't talk about, is the me important.
@@whenisasnakeatail4933 all he is saying is look for growth not pleasure, that’s it. He said a lot to explain that.
@@whenisasnakeatail4933 I think if we start understanding his emphasis on 2.22 we may just..... Wish you peace and love.
The me which is the ego that he's referring to is important but as human beings we've overemphasized it's importance. We are strongly attached to it and it seems we think that it is who we are. But the ego is just like your arm, playing a function for you to exist in this universe.
The larger group.
Yes conditioning is a danger. But in the present society we can't live like that.
Like living without self.
You will be taken advantage of
You are isolated
You are seen as selfish (this is highlet)
You might say all these are not your issue yes exactly it's the issue of others
But it's still going to effect me.
It's a possible thought.
Selfish and unselfish is a double bind, if you or anyone you know are attempting to be unselfish, theyre doing it for selfish reasons.
Why am I on CZcams again?
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Why talk all hypothetical. Human behaviour depends on the influence of the society he lives in, his liking, his ambition. It is a fight for survival, survival and better survival. You can not change a person by the hypothetical theories. That is the world and you have to accept it. As long as one does not harm others he is noble.
It might sound hypothetical to some people because their awareness can not reach the level needed to check whether it's a fact.
Naastik logo ko kaun samjhaye aab.
that's just redundant speech, you don't see your problem hence it is a problem. If you see your problem you would have fixed it.
eastern mystic drivel
J Krishnamurti ji brings tears.
He is very careful while speaking and choosing the words so that we are not distracted during journey of self enquiry.
Thanks to you all.
he has such hateful mannerisms
I guess its a main thing that makes me worried when listening to him, i am not sure that love and inacceptance can co-ocure