Gala gone wrong! How late do trains end up at the NYMR steam gala? Chasing Dinosaurs episode 17.
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
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Last weekend Lawrie headed up to the North Yorkshire Moors Railway for their autumn steam gala - but things didn't go to timetable!
If you want more information on the North Yorkshire Moors Railway check out their website here: www.nymr.co.uk/
A video featuring, shot by and edited by Lawrie
Additional footage by Nathan Merryweather
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the reason for delays was Lucy failed blocking the line in Levisham station I know as I was on the s15 train that had to rescue her
She lost a pice from her and blocked the line at Levisham and the s15 825 rescued her and the train and propelled the train I'm to the sidings.
And I was on the guard van with some other JVs
@@chrissavory9959 she lost a cottole pin on the level crossing
@@ab_railways_original WTF is a "cottole pin" ???
@@stevelomas4119 I understand that it's what us non-Poms call a Split Pin
is it bad that watching lowri run is funny we so rarely get to see him run and it's majestic everytime
I've never been called majestic before!
I really need to go and visit the NYMR again. Going to see Sir Nigel Gresley running used to be my birthday "treat" as a child, and we went every September for many years. That stopped when my parents divorced around 20 years ago. I went once by myself, after passing my driving test, for Gresley's last official run before overhaul and haven't been back since. I adore the NYMR but the streamlined Pacific was always the highlight.
Excellent restored wooden coaches, brilliant cool new clean roofs 👍🏻 oh so cute 😊
It's superb!
Had 2 hrs 47 mins late at the Severn Valley Autumn Steam Gala last year. Entertaining weekend though, so can't complain 😂
We had a Steam Gala at the Epping Ongar Railway on which the trains ran extremely late. I got home after volunteering there at about ten at night!!
Some lovely shots!
Thought you might like to know what happened (to show I know what I’m talking about I was the signalman at Grosmont this day and was involved in the decision making). As others have said, Lucie failed at Levisham on the morning and sadly we never recovered, rubbing about an hour late most of the day. As a result the Control decided to step the trains up, so rather than running an hour late we would be on time but the locos and sets wouldn’t be as advertised, as the key thing now was to ensure everyone could get home, including staff, passengers, locos, etc.
It was therefore decided that Gresley would be held at Pickering to form the last departure. The S15 would work the penultimate train to Pickering, rather than the last round trip. Sadly this still left about 15 late from memory due to needing coal which wasn’t expected. It later came back light engine as it was needed at Grosmont.
This plan would have seen the Q6 and Standard 5 take the last train to Pickering rather than the penultimate train as planned. But the Q6 was sat around doing not very much, and nothing was moving from Pickering for reasons I’m not entirely sure of, so the Q6 ran light engine to New Bridge to get that crew closer to home. The Standard 5 then worked the last train to Pickering with Gresley working the last train from Pickering, albeit still an hour late in the end rather than more or less right time as had been planned.
But at no time we’re trains running two hours late - we just cancelled a couple of trains in the afternoon and held things to form the next departure right time, though sadly that still didn’t quite work as intended…
Thanks for the explanation.
We all know that on these intensive days, as soon as something goes wrong, it snowballs.
can't recall a gala ever running to time. it's part of the appeal.......
They never do. There were 20-30 minute delays on the Severn Valley Railway 2022 Autumn Steam gala caused by many factors including the shunt turn around for the local services, passengers boarding the trains and as we found out on the Saturday Hagley Hall was deciding to set fire to both the Worcestershire and Shropshire countryside as it travelled up and down the line which inevitably forced it to be taken from service for the remainder of the gala.
There's a bit delayed, and there's cancelling trains.
Some stunning clips there with the drone. I have never been to the North Yorkshire Railway but I do want to go because I used to enjoy watching Heartbeat and the Royal on TV which featured the railway and the surrounding village of Goathland. The station at Goathland also featured in the first Harry Potter film at the start and end of the film with some slight CGI landscape trickery.
Thank you for a lovely look round the North York Moors and of course the trains spent a lot of time on the north York Moors over the years, good trip down memory lane
You're most welcome!
What glorious scenery!! And as for the locomotives, they’re equally gorgeous!!
Anyone else hear Gordon's "Oh the Indignity!" Every time they see a back-to-front tender engine?
lol , me
Not I
I love seeing steam engines run even more so then the bricks on wheels the states use.
We have a lot of very intresting engines over here
Mr. Lawrie Rose you have done it again my friend. Best video I've seen of the gala, lots of great shots, and you stuck it out despite the severe delays, so many fab shots, my personal favourites are 29 and 85, and the Q6 and Std 5 near the end of the video. Hope you can come up to the East Lancs sometime again soon! We have an L&Y themed gala in 2-3 weeks.
I am thinking of it if I can afford to!
Just curious, you got some great shots etc., and felt free to say how annoyed you were about late running. Did you just stay lineside or pay to go on any of the trains, or make any financial contribution to the railway on that day? I’m asking because speaking as someone involved in gala running on another railway I find it irksome when people make these sort of comments without bothering to find out why there is late running, especially when it’s a freeloader annoyed because he didn’t get the shots he was after.
Not annoyed at all, just absolutely amazed how late it got and how much it stacked.
It certainly wasn't meant to be an attack on the railway, just disbelief. We all know these things happen, but it's how people the railway deals with them that matter.
I stay lineside, I have no real interest in riding on the cushions in truth.
But, I get a ticket to support the day - we know these things cost a fortune to put on.
I kinda agree as the son off one of the station masters working (if you can call a steam gala that as a JV) and I also don’t like it when they climb the fences then complain when told to get off them
@@lmm finally a person who does do this
Another fantastic Steam Gala video from Lawrie. I certainly enjoyed seeing the footage of Sir Nigel. I do agree with Lawrie that seeing Nigel going backwards does look very odd indeed. I can't believe how far out the train's ran during your visit.
18-24 miles depending on if they did the whole line and whitby
Glad you enjoyed it!
Well, he does get a lot of exercise between locations. And they're worth it. But this drone shots are better.
It's nice going for a wonder in the Moors.
And thanks!
Thanks Lawrie, some great shots with the drone to! 🙏🙏
You're most welcome!
I was on the NYMR from The Friday Pullman service right until Monday.
From that Friday night on the Pullman (where the steam heat was knocked off at grosmont while we waiting for the line for 45 minutes where staff and guests were getting into there jackets because it was 5c outside) to the returning Whitby service A on Monday afternoon.
The only service that left on time was the First one Sunday morning.
I had spent much of it travelling up and down the line and despite it being late. I absolutely loved it all, a Gala is not a day trip event. Don’t plan to leave on time and certainly more so don’t expect it to be smooth.
Too many people not really understanding that it’s a vintage service. Running with vintage equipment.
I heard the last freights being called off, spent hours set at grosmont (drinking from the beer festival while we could) running on the double headed as shown in the video (No.85/No.29).
Watching dozens of man hours/volunteers doing there up most best
I was even on the greene king you mentioned that should of been the Q6.
I genuinely had the best weekend I have had in a long time and that was because I had nowhere to go but the rails and enjoying the company of my wife and we were genuinely prepared for this hence making no other plans.
I was very happy to not hear 90% of the people complaining and only those online really seemed to have an issue. (Not the sort of confusion with it all you seemed to have)
I did think at some point if this is where Lawrie would be but alas I missed you, had seen plenty of piglet though.
So I must have seen you somewhere!
I think everyone who goes to these things understands the very nature of old machines that they will fail at the worst time 😂
There's a real sense of pride and achievement having pulled a gala off!
Some claim that he needs all that walking in between to work off the stones.
Needs more than a walk
I feel so privileged to volunteer here and I'm glad you came!
It's a truly amazing railway. Really the top league
I feel spoilt to love at Levisham and volunteer here with my dad as staition master
I was around on the Saturday. Trains were running approximately 30mins behind all day…
Other then that a fantastic day and my first time behind gresley 👍🏻
If I knew you were up this way I would have a arrange a quick catch up.
Thats about average for any gala. We have tended to run 25 or 30 minutes late on the Severn Valley Railway, but usually that does bring out some decent thrash moments as the drivers try to speed up a little to claw back the time.
I was up at the Gala on the Sunday and despite the timetable issues (and some breakdowns) it was a great day, I got to get on the footplate of my favourite class of Loco (a 9F) and spent the day riding behind and looking at all kinds of beautiful locos
That was my only disappointment that I didn't get to see the 9f run!
also I was on train that took 2 and half hours to go from Grosmont to pickering causing me to nearly miss my bus home some people weren't so lucky as me so railway had to pay for taxi to get them home.
What a thrill to see Sir Nigel, what a beautiful engine.
Oh she's amazing
I was on the foot plate
On which engine?
i sort of agree with you that an A4 just looks weird in reverse or as you put it ''so very wrong '' does look a bit weird going backwards with tender leading
trains running 2 hrs late ?? wow , the lengths these guys go to recreating British Rail is remarkable .. lol
And the engine problems don’t help
@@ab_railways_original .. yeah , apparently one of their steam loco's failed while on the line .. damn fine job to get it recovered off the line & get back to running a service again
It's disappointing when these things happen with all the time and effort that goes into it.
@@888johnmac i think that was the steam tram i heard at grosmont that failed in levisham platform Q6 i heard from a guy in the shop behind counter had failed day before with a steam leak
As I volunteer at the NYMR on Grosmont station and as a Supervisor for the JV's I know that alot of the delays happen at either Pickering or Grosmont stations due to Loco's having issues or it is todo with the carriage stock as I was on the platform at Grosmont on Saturday and found out that there was a delay from Pickering due to all the water tanks in the train were not filled up on friday night
Did you hear about us a levisham with lucie
Some amazing locos out there!
It was a really good line up
6:36 6:30 some nice barking form No/85 and No.29
You’re obviously in a car following the train!!
I see you were driving No. 10 Lawrie, looked brilliant
It was!
Looks like early Autumn UN the Moors.
Getting that way
Doesn’t Sir Nige’ make a great sound?
It's an amazing machine. Very happy to see it back
Some of the reasons we were running late is Lucy breaking down and Greeley having problems running round at pickering.
Ps darn I missed you up at Levisham I was there all weekend as I live down there and my dads station master would have loved to see you.
19:25 and I literally missed you I can hear my voice see my friend and myself next to my dad
20:06 oh and wiping my eye next to my friends who are also JVs
Yes, that's what I heard. Sorry to have missed you!
@@lmm don’t worry about it if your that worried I’m down each weekend also your the 2nd creator to ever rep,y to one of my comments
I think they should keep Sir Nigel Gresley in Wartime Black. Its so unique and actually really pretty in my opinion. Also the Taff Vale O2 might be my favorite engine from this Gala. I just love the little Welsh 0-6-2
I loved seeing the o2.
I have enjoyed SNG in black, but I love the BR blue its become known in
Shropshire next to Yorkshire? Crikey it's moved :-)
i was at grosmont on the 2nd day when it was litrally busy in the village resulting in the car being parked up on hill slightly
Oh really? It did seem well attended
At least NYMR were running trains - unlike the UK national rail network today!
Yep 😂
Very true
as beautiful as modern photography is for quality and as much as i love steam trains etc i only occasionally do it nowadays .. the biggest reason is that there are very few times you can capture what legends like ivo peters did which caught them with thier real areas , real crews and real beautifully dilapidated conditions
There's a few places like Bosnia where you can still capture those scenes!
@@lmm yes but not british steam bud
WOW, WOW AND WOW! Amazing video. What camera do you use to film?
A mixture of things. This was dji mini, Sony A7ii, and Google Pixel
Epic video
Thank you!
Guessing it's your first NYMR gala Mr Rose? 🤔 I've beem going to their galas since I was about 2 years old and unfortunately with every one - 2 hours late isn't bad in comparison to some of them..... 5 hours one year and it was that late upon return that the station, and car park were locked off and the station staff, and car park key holders had gone home!
That... Can't be real? That's insane.
Isn't 4498 just brilliant! I like the lambton tanks, when they worked on the LH&JCR they were close to were I live now.
I love SNG. The tanks looked amazing double heading
It was great meeting you there on Sunday, brilliant video! What time did Sir Nigel Gresley come through at 24@58? I had to go home after waiting or it for 50 mins.
I think it was 2 hours and 22 mins down.
There are some really good clips here, especially the tram at Levisham. However, I do think that perhaps you might have been a little hard on the good chaps at the NYMR. I'm sure they were doing their level best to keep things running in trying and challenging circumstances. It looked like a damp day, were they having problems with adhesion on the heavily graded line? Were you able to give them a donation towards their work whilst you photographed their wonderfully turned out trains? Thanks for putting the footage up and I do enjoy your channel. I appreciate the 4.5 hour drive you had to get there and back again and the frustration you must feel but go easy on the criticism. When you consider the vast minutiae of details that need to be right to run any train service at all, it's a wonder they do as well as they do. It's not easy running a railway to everyones liking all the time.
We do try
I know on Saturday I saw the sander being used on Gresley
It's more the surprise that it was so behind.
They're a big railway, and we know things happen.
I commented that it was very late, and the latest I've ever seen.
I did at no point critise the people or the organisation or say they were doing a bad job.
Just it's gone very wrong, and serveral of the decisions made to me - not knowing the full story - I didn't understand why.
i remember seeing an alan keef open day video , and lawrie was at the controls of corris no.10 on its first steaming ever, happy first steaming to no.10
Was a good day
@@lmm yes, maybe when talyllyn comes back to steam , if you could, you could make a Lawrie goes loco with it, with the consent of its namesake railway of course
I'm working on it!
What you have seen is typical NYMR; they try to run too many trains with too tight a frequency and it just doesn't work. I used to volunteer up there in the 90s and early 2000s and they were just as bad back then. And that was before they started running to Whitby! We used to refer to it as "Moors standard time" which was typically 1-2 hours late!
Oh really? That's a shame.
Actually it’s normally 5-15min late
Lucy has a better sounding whistle than the Middy one.
Significantly
Was this on Sunday by any chance as the Q6 and the s15 top and tailed then highballed back out of Pickering
It was, and did they?
Is it behind schedule or is it running like national rail services?
😂 😂
It was also delayed on the 24th when I went. That was caused by the Q6 not wanting to run
I heard it failed and was fixed again!
Delayed by about 30min I think, they sent little 29 out early
Missed you again !. Dam.it
Sorry!
In no way is 15 minutes (down) 'very, very late', except perhaps in Japan.
It is at the start of the day.
What about the hour? Having to search the tracks at Levisham after trains stopping more trains
6:36 the barking from lambert and 85 whos a ressident loco form the worth valley heritage line is mad love the exshaust beat from the 2 of them saw 85 on freight on her own when i went on friday never saw lambert so need anouther tip up there to get her gresley i did see a few mins late as some guys thaught it failed then they asumed the 9F failed saw that power past grosmont in reverse so that vid is on me youtube channel if youd fancy nosying
They made a super pairing.
My only disappointment from the weekend was not seeing the 9f
@@lmm i saw the 9F funny enough when i was there friday didnt exspect to see the bugger being out
You about at Severn Valley this weekend?
Afraid not
The 37 was on the train becuse poket rocket failed in the day before
Ah right.
Fine, generic, stock, synthetic (free!) music selected.
No. This is LMM's music.
Did you go there by yourself?
Yes
What no Matt or Morgan 👍😁
😂 Not quite their cup of tea
🚂🚂🚂🚂😎😎👍
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Don't talk trash bout me railway
I didn't. I said how wonderful it is. I was just amazed how it ended up running so late
Well don't complain about delays we had a broken engine and Gresley would not uncouple from the coaches
@@henrycummins764 It happened though. You can't pretend it didn't, and running two hours late is rather surprising.
I'k it was bad but think what it's like for the crew who have things to do and still have to dispose the engine XD
Some crews work about 5am-9pm😊
We're first in and last home.
We're first in and last home.
@@lmm ikr lol it's me stood up on the standard five as it goes passed in the final shot it was a very interesting but fun day
@@pebsymax9113 when it goes wrong it's always interesting!
Music not needed
Sorry you didn't like the music. Would you prefer silence in the future?
Lawrie ...... please leave out your sad-faces whining. We don't need that. We want to see trains and enthusiasm. Thanx.
Wouldn't say whining, just disbelief.
Lawrie you are what we used to call when active on a heritage line a free loader. After spending a lot of money setting up a gala. We would find photographers popping up upsetting our neighbours. But worst of all the photographers never paid any money towards the cost of the gala. You as a volunteer should understand this. I have not watch nor will I Like.
Sounds a bit harsh
Apparently I didn't buy a ticket then...
you can taste the salt from this comment
grow up
Nice shots there. Not referring to Lawrie, but some gala photographers can be a pain. A lot of trespassing, damage to fences etc. Some twonks at the NYMR gala even uprooted fire beater stands this year to get better choo choo pics. Bit stupid given the fire risks during the summer. Never mind though - volunteers will be out in crappy winter weather fixing it all up again. 😕