Delivering an Outer Reef on Lake Michigan
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
- Captain Ryan and Captain Justin Deliver this 65' Outer Reef to Grand Haven Michigan, and encounter a few problems along the way.
* If you want to learn how to lock your steering on an Outer Reef, check the index below to skip ahead
00:00 Intro
02:26 Fueling
06:19 Lake Michigan
09:17 Engine Room Round
13:48 Increasing Seas
14:42 Trip Planning
21:19 Trip Update
21:46 Water Leak Discovery
23:00 Lost Steering
25:03 Lazarette Inspection
26:27 Station Keeping with throttles
32:58 In the channel
35:52 How to lock your steering on an Outer Reef
36:18 Safely Moored
Music
West Valley Shakers - No Wonder
The owner of that boat will be thankful he hired such an experienced delivery crew.
Thankful! They delivered a broken boat radar doesn't work steering doesn't work hydraulic fluid all over the place yea good job
Grew up boating on the Great Lakes. Conditions can change VERY quickly and are not to be taken lightly. Wave heights increase rapidly with very little distance between waves, making steering difficult and generally uncomfortable conditions. Glad you guys got a taste of it but came out on the other side. Kudos!
Thanks for the comment, and yes the Great Lakes are no joke!
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While Lake Michigan has lake in the name, it is actually a fresh water inland sea. As@jonblock1871 the sea state can be uncomfortable to outright dangerous more quickly than you might expect.
I am sailed to Florida twice from Lexington Michigan lake Huron side grew up on lake Huron side got caught in a bad storm the winds came up quickly then the lightning I was down below sleeping when it started always a scary way to wake up when I was sailing to Florida got caught in a doozy in lake Erie dealt with probably 16 to 18 if not more in a 27 foot Catalina like the one guy said sometimes when the waves are close together it's like they want to tear your boat apart you do a lot of praying stay focused don't lose you're cool a lot of people have made it and a lot of people haven't they say there's what 10000 in Superior since they've been keeping track Great lakes I was in the Navy did a West pac 82 horrible weather red lights hundreds of people sea sick 445 days work 18 to 20 hours a day lucky never been sea sick but the ocean has never scared me like the Great lakes it's one of the only things that has such beauty but on the other hand will scare the pants off you stay safe 🙏
Weather windows matter, but even then, things change quickly. We saw calm to 4’ chop in minutes on Lake Michigan west shore many times between Milwaukee and Sturgeon Bay back in the 1970’s in 24’ single stern drive, no rudders to worry about. Bigger boat = bigger potential problems. I really hoped you’d port at Muskegon when you mentioned it. 🤷♂️
Always an adventure worth taking. Glad you guys made it ok and have a new appreciation for a Great Lake. 🍻
Nice to see there’s still people out there driving yachts with commonsense. Well done. Emergency steering plate should be marked and identified with a label on the plate.
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Seems a few things were left unmarked, eg: rudder plate, generator switches, etc. That’s why you have experienced crew for a shakedown before handing over to new owners. 🍻
Thank you, the joys of boat ownership is not unlike owning an old home
I have raced and delivered 35’-44’ sailboats up and down Lake Michigan. So correct that it should always be a two-man crew who will not panic. Squalls, lightning, loose keel bolts, kink in the mast, loss of electrical power, steering, transmission and engine have all happened. You prepare for everything but you never know when something else rears it’s head! Then you finally get to the Marina after dark and have to climb the fences to get out of the Marina!
I sure do miss those days and the buddies I sailed with. To this day I know that if I called any one of them they would be at my side in a few hours. And I would come to their aid just as quickly.
Be well.
The famous Lake Michigan "Chop" The wind comes up and you get confused seas fairly quickly...
Beautiful boat and a great job guys. Enjoyed it! No panic is the word of the day. Had to smile on that rudder lock bar right there. Not certain I would have shared that over-look.😉😂👍
Thanks for your comment, and had to share it, it might save someone else the hassle!
Any time being out on the Great Lakes in November can be a gamble. The long fetch lets the waves build extremely quickly.
The Great Lakes is an entire different ballgame. More shipwrecks per square natical mile than The Bermuda Triangle. Big ocean cargo ships sank in these waters over the decades.
Never mess with lake Michigan.. been there,done that.
Commenting as I'm watching. 2 to 4s is not too bad. But you have to respect that lake. I sail Lake Michigan in a 30 foot sailboat. Done a few crossings
Nice work! Living on, or near, lake Michigan, 2 harbors N of Grand Haven, all my 64 years, & started sailing 53... Have been blessed to have been on a multitude of assorted craft, lol. But, A few hours later, the fetch would have built another 1.5-2' of wave height, & even with functioning rudders would have been a handful getting into GH!! Good resourcefulness, glad it was successful. I've had to hunker down, the better part of a week, waiting for the weather to settle down, in a J-40 sailboat. Once someone has spent time on the "Pond", they have a very different attitude. Ted Turner gained that on a Chicago glad race. Betty Cook (3-4? Time Offshore Powerboat Champ) as she was being helped out of her boat (78-79? Coral Gables Cup, Sagatuck, MI). That it was the roughest conditions she had ever raced in! So, you're in good company, lol. Fair Winds! & Thanx !
I used to slalom ski from Mona Lake up the Grand Haven Channel. All kinds of waves. 17 1/2 foot glassstron. 65 Evan Rude. Loved growing up on Lake Michigan
You two are living the dream. Good video hope to see more like this.
I worked ten years on a charter boat out of northpoint marina on Lake Michigan! You learn she is in charge!
Gorgeous boat. Spent a month onboard one belonging to a friend cruising Ft Lauderdale to Georgetown in the Exumas.
If you want a never ending stream of problems and broken items then owning a big complex boat is for you.
You are correct; however, with proper maintenance, many issues can be kept at bay, but yes, a boat can be referred to as a big hole in the water you continuously pour money into.
@@Boatlife63-vp6eq and by “proper maintenance” you mean constant and expensive maintenance.
Considering the beating boats take vs cars, yah there’s more expected maintenance. Up until Covid when credit card captains popped up all over the place, most boat owners were independent, creative thinkers & problem solvers who loved a little adventure and took pride in accomplishment. No worries. Not everyone is up for it. 🍻
@@brettrun8575whatever you’re boat, it’s probably more reliable than a Jaguar or Land Rover though. 😆
@@Bierdaddy1 although I get your point, I have owned multiple boats and can’t remember a single moment when any of them didn’t have any open items that needed to be addressed.
Great video- makes me happy that we got out of boating in SE Michigan several years ago. You can never really relax on a boat trip because you are always waiting for that next leak / eqiuipment failure/ general breakage of interior bits due to wave beatings, etc... I will rent, but never again, own, a boat...LOL
I grew up in Minnesota, and best advice to the Grate Lakes.. Treat them like you are on the seas when it comes to waves/storms... They are very big and extremely deep. So deep part of the depth is to cold and low o2 count for anything to eat the wrecks....
What sort of boat design does not have an emergency steering system. It usually fits over the square section on the top of the rudder shaft similar to the plate that was there to lock the system amidships. These things are usually exceedingly hard to use, but often protrude through the deck and attache to a long tiller arm to assist in steering. Not great but better tan trying to steer with engines.??
The Great Lakes can be extremely dangerous for sure. I know I grew up my whole life being out on Lake Erie which is the more dangerous lake for inexperienced captains. These lakes can whip up seriously fast and get seriously rough before you can think about. 50NM open lake can have serious consequences if the wind keeps up. You can get into deep trouble quickly as you guys found out for sure.
Great video. I know you guys had cascading issues but really wanted to see you enter the breakwater jetty’s. I’ve been through them on sailboats and know they can be wild.
Thanks @jameskiehm546! I wish we got that on film too, but we were so focused on driving and it was only the two of us. The breakwater jetty actually wasn't that difficult. We practiced a 90 port turn outside the jetty to make sure we could get the boat to come around in the beam to sea, and the boat turned pretty nicely, so we just repeated that once we approached the jetty and despite being sloshed around the boat handled beautifully, and pretty easy to keep a straight course.
Great engine room.
Scary trip. Nice job guys!
The fetch on Lake Michigan is a truth. I have had easier rides on Superior than Michigan over all. Congrats on you two sweating it out and carrying on.
Thank you 👍🏼
I've had crazier rides on Lake Superior than the Atlantic or Pacific, sailing since the mid 80s. Lake Michigan is like all the Great Lakes. Need to heed the forecasts.
I knew there was a way to lock those, hilarious that you found out after the fact. Glad you made it safely!
Fantastic job! It looks like a ton of fun except for the rough waters.
Good job. Imagine had the owner experienced this on his first day!
Loved this!
As I was getting into this video I'm glad you said that you both were professionals because I got thinking it was looking like you were amateurs. Either way good valuable lesson glad that you shared. The Great lakes is no joke.
Nice boat. Good job on the delivery👍
Michigan, she can get bitter, but nothing like the rapid upheaval of Winnebago in a storm.😊
Great job guys!
Thanks very much @jameslovelace8958
YES... I beleeeeeever even tho it is a LAKE not a ''SEA''
I BEEEEELEEEEEEEVE it is *STILL* referred to as *SEA STATE* ...
..for describin-discprpttion stuffz anyhow... ;)
awesome thanks for the RIDA ALONG !!! lookin forward to seein more trips more places!!
HAVE A GREAT WEEK !!! (SAFE AND QUICK TRAVELS)
Great episode! Keep up the great work!
I saw this all summer.
First time on your channel. Nice job, really informative. Gives average Joe an idea of what is involved in operating these boats. Look forward to watching more vids.
Thank you, and glad you liked it
Good job lashing the rudders and getting her in
Awesome channel
I was in a 24 foot 1980 sea ray no wind or rain just some rollers stacking up in the shallow west end of lake Erie. 6 inches of green water every 4th wave over the top. I don't know how the canvas didn't tear up . 4 hours to Putin bay from Toledo beach marina. 20 ft from trough to crest. Lake Erie can be a mean witch. It has more wrecks than all other Great Lakes combined.
I see you captured my dad’s 55 Marquis in the background prior to departure. Looks like you guys had a nice trip!
And yes they are called seas and that’s the big lake they call Gitche Gumee😅 freakin great job love the lake cuz it’ll chew you up a bit! The rudder lock was uffdah !😊😊
Thanks @kenfroehlich444! Yeah, the rudder lock was a predicament
Actually Gitche Gumee is Lake Superior.
@@robertcook9375 well Ima say the water from Superior mixes with Michigan and Michigan mixes with Superior so the gitche's going to gitcha if it wants to!
with hind sight being 20/20 of course and you showing the rudder lock offs , Here is how you would quickly and efficiently fix that hydraulic steering issue if you didnt have those ...
First off , if you dont have spare hydraulic fluid you should always catch the leaking fluid to constantly replace it.
Without that option to secure the rudders
take an aluminum dock pole
cut to length between rudder arm shafts.
disconnect Raymarine Type2 hydraulic shaft rods and move aside
take your cut dock pole and with a Vice or Hammer make a flat section where the the hole is for the rudder connections. Then drill or make a hole in the aluminum pole on that flattened area.
run a nut/bolt combo if you have one or use a wooden dowel.
Then BOTH rudders will be synced and you can tie them off true center to the fiberglass stanchions in lazarette area.
if you need to steer with rudders it is actually possible with 2 persons and additional working parts
@RoBear-bv8ht that would require common sense ... an attribute lost in the 80's
Wow, what a cascade of problems! Late start, increasing seas and winds, water exhaust leak, oil drip and then BAM loss of steering. A cluster you know what. Considerable competence displayed using the throttles and thrusters to keep the boat from rounding up. And a great McGyver job stopping the rudder from swinging back and forth. Why did only one rudder need that tie up? Did you ever advise anyone on shore that you might need a tow?
Yeah capt Ryan was pretty heroic getting that rudder locked. They were connected with a tie rod, so locking one in place effectively locked them both. We were definitely considering all options including a tow, and were in contact with the owner indicating that a tow might be necessary (not what you want to hear with your new boat). Once the rudders were locked though we felt confident with the control we had to press on. Thanks for your comment!
We grew up and live in Grand Haven…I have seen 18 foot waves on the Lake when the winds are howling. We have a boat and 3-5 are bothersome but doable as they can be navigated.
Rvery vessel should have a way to lock the rudder.
ALL YOU NEEDED IS THE EMERGENCY STAINLESS STEEL RUDDER LOCKING PLATE TO SECURE THE RUDDER FROM SWAYING BACK AND FORTH. NICE VOYAGE 👌. GOOD JOB EXPERIENCE IS THE BEST TEACHERS. 👌
I grew up on inland lakes in Michigan that always has lots of weeds. ( we don’t call it sea grass) I’ve spent the last 20 years on Lake Michigan and Lake Huron. The worst weeds I’ve ever seen anywhere is in Sturgeon Bay.
Thanks for the info 😆
That hard over rudder is what did the Bismarck in. Arrggggg the sea… err the lake be a cruel mistress.
I thought these bigger boats had manual steering in the lazarette
Great choice… white fish in Wisconsin
27:28 3 foot chop in a 65' foot boat huh? Glad you guys made it out ok.
True. Grew to about 6’ on his beam when near the east shore. That and no rudders, yah, glad they made it out ok. However, there’s always the radio if in trouble.
@@Bierdaddy1 I've had my 16 foot Grew bowrider in stuff like this. 😂
Oh June. I see you posted 2 weeks ago and thought you were out there in October/November
At 3250 you were just passing my channel where my home lake was Mona Lake
Is that a new boat? The owner is lucky to have hired an experienced crew to bring his boat in. Seems that the boat has a few issues to be worked out after delivery.
Close up the close-up shots on the engines tell me that it is a used boat.
Great video and indeed you need 2 capable persons onboard for situations like this. If all goes well you can run the boat alone, but you will never know upfront when things go bad.
Very nice to see you perform extensive checks before leaving. Too many people just hop onboard, start up and go, only to find out later they have a problem.
But was wondering what kind of stabilizers this boat has, they look to be a bit undersized or not functioning too well. Very curious.
Other than that this is a beautiful boat.
Funny you ask, I thought they weren't doing much until I switched them off. Turns out they were working quite well! Fin stabilizers
Do you ever bring people to teach them? Would love to learn on the great lakes!
Yes we do, sometimes
@@havenyachtdelivery58 would definitely be interested in tagging along if you're willing!
Seems like passing up a port begins to line up the "holes in the cheese".
RTFM somebody once told me.
I hope the new owner got a good deal on that boat.
Would love to get into doing what you guys do. Would it be possible to come help out and learn the lines?
As we say on the farm, it’s a machine made by man. It can and will fail. Usually at the most inopportune time.
I hate big following seas but my boat is more sensitive to that than that big Outer Reef.
Doing engine room checks I use my eyes snd nose for weird smells
You must have been there the 2nd week in June. I know nothing about large boats, but since you mentioned it has two rudders, it seams like something that size would have two hydraulic rams to control the rudders, and if that was the case, wouldn't they have valves so you can isolate one rudder, in the event of a blown hose?
It has one ram with a tie rod, but you are right, redundancy on boats is a great thing to have.
Are we making Atlantic Crossings??🤷♀️
9:55 ENGINE ROOM CHECK .... on the NORDHAVENS one of the checks is a LASER TEMP THINGY to measure heats at ''spots'' ....spots in the exhaust system, intake system... the water and fuel sytems... prolly not only or not them lol but yea..... *I* would have that as part of my ''checks'' :)
AWE$SOME BOAT!! on my list for THE GREAT LOOP LOOPER BOAT :) how would it be for that in YOUR OPINION?? :)
21:50 THAT IS MORE THAN A DRIP OR SO EVERY 15 or so secs..... !!!!
was that were the DRIP DRIP DRIP was before that he described after the 9:55 ENGINE ROOM CHECK portion of the video??
The second drip seen on the video was discovered after the first, when we noticed water pooling under the port engine
The new owners are actually on the great loop at the moment. They had to take the hard top off to fit under one of the bridges up north, but other than that it's a fantastic boat.
Mostly same terms, lake or sea or ocean
What's your thoughts on Bering Yahts
I have never sailed on a Bering, so my opinion is limited. They have steel hulls, which means you need to stay on top of maintenance, but they have safety benefits over glass hulled boats which make it a great for a true explorer type yacht.
Who set up that autopilot? Considering the age of the St-60 instruments and the plotters, the gyro in autopilot is not working. The sea trial setup of the autopilot might have not been done. Most likely the typical cottage at the marina. A properly set up autopilot should steer this boat as if it was on rails.
Around the 8 th minute: "this boat can handle it" seems to me to be a funny comment given you never mentioned a weather check in the begining.....
There is an long section where he explains their rationale for when to travel.
Woah. Lost hydraulic steering. Not good. If you do another delivery in the area Muskegon has a lot of services.
Haha, you mean there are big waves on Lake Michigan? And “weather” can pop up very quickly, making conditions challenging? And Lake Michigan is so big you cannot see the other side? No way. ;-)
where is his Heat Gun as he checks temperatures in the engine room on "Big Diesel's like these"?
Nasa would say 8 miles is like 1000 feet of curvature, they say the water is round.
Well, no they wouldn't say that. They'd say it was about 43 ft.
ps: The water IS round.
@@citetez imposable have you ever heard of a water level
@@Draintheswamp2024 Yep. They're short. You can use one as a sight gauge to measure the curvature of a body of water if you want. But only if you have your 6th grade math, so you might be kind of screwed.
A block of wood could lock those rudders.
I'd be like what you delivered me a broken boat
Put some more “hype” on your title... this wasn’t click bait and didn’t even realize you guys were going to loss steering. Just saying for your channel growth it might help to throw a “ loss of control” into the title lol... super appreciate your calm and cool... you guys are legit... glad it wasn’t a single screw lol
Should be an easy ride in a boat like that not understanding the drama. I have been out in worse in a 19 foot Searay. Beautiful boat BTW
Did you miss the part about the steering?
If someone could just give me the winning lottery numbers. So I could afford a boat like this
You guys didn’t bring any basic tools?
You should take the flag off the stern captain when dark.
Slow down your camera movement!
Let’s make a boat video and just keep the camera pointed at us the whole time explaining over and over and over again the weather. Oops the camera fell over again I better point it right back at me.
I would be scared to take this on the ocean.😢
Outer Reef is actually a pretty solid boat, and I hope we didn't give the impression in the vid that it isn't. It's a 'trawler/explorer' class vessel, and actually rated up to 18' seas. I would be very comfortable with this on the ocean!
Every boat has issues when breaking them in. I've known ppl who would much rather buy a boat with 1000 miles on it than a one with 10. It usually takes that much to find most of the problems boats are gonna undoubtedly have.
Tinnitus Who?... Hate to sound like that guy, guys-Lets get some hearing protection on in those engine rooms!..or YOU WILL BE THE ONLY ONE HEARING CRICKETS IN THE ICE SHANTY!...Just sayin. I HEAR CRICKETS! I cringe watching me(I mean you) in that engine room. mic drop.....
Thanks for the comment, and 100% agree. Ryan and I both had on foamy ear plugs when in the engine room - ear pro is essential.
So this boat sucks? don't buy?
It's actually a great boat. The issue was the old hydraulic lines which tend to last about 10 years before they go bad, which means this one just wasn't swapped out during the maintenance interval. I got to spend a lot of time on this boat training the new owners, and the boat itself is very solid - a lot to like about this Outer Reef.
grand haven has the WORST community of snobby rich people in west michigan, lived in grand haven all my life, the people are what ruins it. the city is fine, nice actually, but once you go against the "perfect christian" mentality, everyone turns on you.
Holy smokes what poor quality control on that manufacture. Shameful. Yikes. Glad y’all are experienced!
As we say on the farm, it’s a machine made by man. It can and will fail. Usually at the most inopportune time.
Farming sounds a lot like boating 😂
@@havenyachtdelivery58at times, real shitty.