A simple Heliochronometer Sun dial

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  • @Cici_Dial
    @Cici_Dial Před měsícem +1

    Absolutely elegant design. To me this is easier to understand than the Schmoyer dial.

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před měsícem

      Thank you! I have looked at a lot of pictures of the Schmoyer dial. I can't figure out how it works. I wish there was a video about it. It also looks like there are some complicated curves that I could never reproduce, plus I don't know what they do anyway. To me, the simpler the better!

  • @darkwolve114
    @darkwolve114 Před rokem +4

    The ol’ figure 8…
    The REAL path of the sun.
    Your gadget here depicts it amazingly and actually shows it’s position on its course thru the year.
    Best dial I’ve seen to-date!

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před rokem +1

      Thank you! It was a fun project, and works well!

    • @edwoodcon9039
      @edwoodcon9039 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@DavidMorris-pq4jqhow to draw ol 8 shape please ??

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@edwoodcon9039 What I did was went to the web site I will give, printed out the "8", then using a copier scaled it up or down in order to get the size I wanted. Remember it needs to be upside down on your dial.
      Here is the link: www.mysundial.ca/tsp/analemmic_sundial.html Let me know if you need any more help. Hope this works!

    • @edwoodcon9039
      @edwoodcon9039 Před 4 měsíci

      @@DavidMorris-pq4jq thanks a lot 👍👍

    • @edwoodcon9039
      @edwoodcon9039 Před 4 měsíci

      @@DavidMorris-pq4jq it worked for me. Thanks a lot

  • @Roddy1965
    @Roddy1965 Před 3 měsíci

    Wow, really nice work on that! Wonderful workmanship.

  • @Desertphile
    @Desertphile Před 5 měsíci

    Awesome. Thank you.

  • @drstrangebudgie4052
    @drstrangebudgie4052 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Wow, very simple and elegant.

  • @hassenasstrom9104
    @hassenasstrom9104 Před rokem

    Very smart way to include analemma in the viewing , most people do not know about the sun "swaying" back and forth during the year!

  • @dfu1685
    @dfu1685 Před rokem

    Just Awesome! I have never seen one like that. Thank you for showing it!

  • @PlayNowWorkLater
    @PlayNowWorkLater Před 2 měsíci

    Nice design!

  • @carolynhuffstickler9878
    @carolynhuffstickler9878 Před 3 lety +3

    This is very cool.

  • @KipIngram
    @KipIngram Před 2 měsíci

    That's very nice. I didn't quite catch exactly how it's supposed to be aligned. Does the axis of the circle point at the North pole? Does it work year round? Seems like if the axis of the main dial was North pole oriented then in the winter the sun would shine on the other side.

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před 2 měsíci +2

      A very perceptive observation and question. Yes, it is polar aligned. And yes, it works in the winter or summer. the only adjustment you have to make is to rotate the time dial one hour forward or back, same as you would your clocks at home. The secret to working year-round is the fact that the little targeting hole (I don't know what else to call it...) is high enough that the sun projects a spot on the figure 8 year around. The targeting hole is high enough that the sun can move 23* up and down, projecting the image on the entire analemma. So yes, a simple polar type of sun dial would only work in the summer, but the way this one is designed, it works year around. Does that help? Feel free to ask any other questions.

  • @American-Plague
    @American-Plague Před 6 měsíci

    This is AWESOME! I'm pretty familiar with the mathematics behind sundials and how to adjust for your location within your time zone, the solar equation difference [hence the analema] and DST [obviously] and my favorite solar calendar/ clock has been a sun dot polar sundial, designed by one J H Pretorius, 1999 because of it's simplicity.... until now! (I still highly recommend looking that sundial up if you haven't seen it before). Thank you so much for posting this! I'm off to make one! (Two questions if you don't mind answering: 😮 1) that curved piece of wood that the analema is on... how did you curve it? 2) How did you get a perfect analema figure 8 on there? I realize you burned it but I'm assuming you traced a pattern or something. How did you make that pattern? Just using mathematics or did you print out an already created one and use that for a pattern or etc.?)

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před 6 měsíci

      Thanks for your comment! The curved piece of wood is a special bendable plywood. I had some left over from a telescope from years earlier.
      As for the analama, I looked around on the Internet until I found what looked like a good example and printed it out. Then I simply figured the size I needed, took it to a copier and scaled it up, or down, bit by bit till I got the size I needed. I'd send you you the link..... but I lost it!
      Thanks again, and any other questions, feel free to ask. I am awaiting to see your rendition!

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před 6 měsíci +1

      www.mysundial.ca/tsp/analemmic_sundial.html Hopefully, this link works. Is where I got my analamma.

    • @American-Plague
      @American-Plague Před 6 měsíci

      ​​@@DavidMorris-pq4jqThank you so much for responding! I'm trying to make plans for one of these so I can build one. One more question if you don't mind (I may lack the exact terminology but I'll be as clear as possible) :
      Concerning the curvature of the piece. It appears that the curvature is calculated by using the pin hole that the dot shines through as the center of a circle, and this curved piece of wood is a section of said circle, and the total length of the analema (not the total length of the wood) is [roughly] a 47 degree section of the circle. Is this correct?

    • @American-Plague
      @American-Plague Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@DavidMorris-pq4jqJust subscribed as well. Thank you so much for sharing this! So many dials do not "automatically" compensate for the equation of time nor are they adjustable for DST, latitude or your placement within a time zone.

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@American-Plague I think you got the idea. In my particular dial, the pinhole is in the center of a 16" circle, so the measurement is 8" from the pinhole to the curved target. The reason for doing it that way (and the article I used for my design did not do it that way) is that if you use a flat piece, which you can, but both ends would have to be slightly distorted, or elongated. Using the curved plate, like I did, makes the distance from the pinhole to the Anelemma (how do you spell it??) the same, so there is no distortion. Probably wouldn't make a big difference, but I like to be as precise as possible, using what I have.

  • @normanacree1635
    @normanacree1635 Před 9 měsíci

    If that pin hole of light has to be lined up with the correct date, and I am assuming it does, how can it be accurate when the days of the month are labelled?

    • @normanacree1635
      @normanacree1635 Před 9 měsíci

      oops. Meant to say "......are NOT labelled".

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před 9 měsíci

      Glad you made that little correction! Makes it easier for me to understand, and to answer, too. Once you set it up correctly for your location, everything is locked into place, so the only thing that moves is the pointer arm. So once you place the spot on the correct side of the "8", corresponding to the current month, you simply read the time off the dial pointer. All other corrections are built in. I could have marked the days of the month, but on that small dial, using wood burning methods, it would have just added confusion. The spot will always be in the correct place if the dial is built and set up correctly. Hope that helps!

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před 9 měsíci

      In fact, you could go out every day, or maybe every week, and put a mark where the sun is. You will see that it changes position every day anyway. All automatically

    • @normanacree1635
      @normanacree1635 Před 8 měsíci

      Yes. I should have realized that without you having to point it out. Where can I get the plans for this thing? I would make one that wasn't adjustable for longitude but there is no way to just build this thing to look like yours without having the correct measurements.@@DavidMorris-pq4jq

  • @KipIngram
    @KipIngram Před 2 měsíci

    Are there plans for this dial anywhere?

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před 2 měsíci

      Go to Amazon and look for "Sundials" by R. Newton Mayall and Margaret W. Mayall. This book has been somewhat hard to find, and the edition they are selling is slightly different from mine, but I think it is all there. Their design is quite a bit simpler (except for laying out the Analemma) I created a curved target rather than the flat one they show in the book. But otherwise the one in the book is much simpler than mine! Works the same, though. Lots of other useful and interesting information in the book too. Well worth the read!

  • @friggodin3500
    @friggodin3500 Před 9 měsíci

    bonjour
    peut on avoir la décomposition du procédé pour pouvoir faire les differentes pieces selon l'endroit ou l'on se trouve et avoir le meme type de cadran solaire, merci

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před 9 měsíci

      can you write your question in English? I'd be happy to tell you how I built it......

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před 9 měsíci

      it is built to work anywhere. You just have to set it up for where you are. Feel free to ask any specific details.

  • @tomlucia6143
    @tomlucia6143 Před 7 měsíci

    do you know someone else that can make these

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před 7 měsíci +1

      Hi Tom.. I m a very amateur woodworker. Most of the tools I used were just hand tools picked up at Harbor Freight or one of the other hardware stores. Nothing fancy at all. For layout, just a big protractor and some careful measuring, then a wood burning kit for the markings. Just a lot of manual labor! And a lot of thinking! The book I used is called "Sundials, how to know, use, and make them" from Sky Publishing Corp. I looked on Amazon, and it seems they are no longer available. So the best I could suggest is to find someone who is reasonably good with woodworking, or better yet, if you actually want to use it outside, someone who can do some metalworking, and have them make one. If you find such a person, I could maybe photo copy the pages from the book and send them, then would be willing to correspond by email or something if there are any questions. The original plans in the book are very different from the one in the video, though I did make a couple close to the original plans before modifying it to the one you see there. I modified it a lot, and made it more functional and artistic. The concept is simple, and the operation is simple, but very accurate. So let me know, because I'd be happy to help out any way I can for someone who would like to know how to build one, and maybe even make a few crude drawings to illustrate it. I'd love to see more of these out there! For sure if I had the ability, I'd make them myself and sell them!Equatorial Sundials on line and CZcams. This is just a modified and enhanced version of the same.

  • @ShamrockBanksObservatory
    @ShamrockBanksObservatory Před 2 lety +2

    How did you get the accurate analemma ?

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před 2 lety +1

      Here is the website I used: www.mysundial.ca/tsp/analemmic_sundial.html I simply printed it out, then scaled it up or down using a copy machine to get it to the size I wanted. Let me know if that helped!

    • @ShamrockBanksObservatory
      @ShamrockBanksObservatory Před 2 lety

      @@DavidMorris-pq4jq Thank you, did you use a 'lazy Susan' for the body of the sundial? I think I hear the bearings rattle.
      Did you just turn this upside down? I am also curious, did you just look at the radius from the hole to the scale and figure out how long the analemma needed to be to cover 47 degrees?

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před 2 lety +2

      All the parts were cut from a sheet of plywood, using a router and circle cutting attachment. The "bearing" you see in the center is an old CD. I am making another entire dial from aluminum, which hopefully should be a bit more weather resistant! And yes, that is exactly what I did to figure out the length of the analemma. I drew it all out to scale on a piece of paper then figured what size to make everything. You don't really need to make a curved back plate. The book I have shows it to be just a strait, or flat, piece. It probably wouldn't make a lot of difference, but I figured a curved plate would be slightly more accurate, and looks good anyway. To be honest, the size of the project was determined by the size of some of the parts left over from building a telescope a number of years earlier. Then I made another, smaller, and slightly different design dial from the left over parts of the one you see in the video...

    • @ShamrockBanksObservatory
      @ShamrockBanksObservatory Před 2 lety

      @@DavidMorris-pq4jq yes, I see that. Fantastic design, I'll be modifying it slightly, adding a declination scale, settings for longitude and DST/ST and a vernier scale for the minutes. Should be an interesting build for my channel.

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před 2 lety

      I will be interested in seeing what you come up with! I do have a declination scale, but not very accurate. I don't have good machining skills, so my markings are not totally accurate. Close enough, but I use a digital level to get it precise. My outer dial can be rotated to make the changes from daylight to standard time. There are several different ways to do that, or just etch both times on the surface. Will love to see your final build!

  • @ethanweyn752
    @ethanweyn752 Před 3 lety +1

    How do you make one?

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před 3 lety

      I'm not sure exactly what your question is, but the basic design came from a book called "Sundials" by R. Newton Mayall and Margaret W Mayall. I think that book is still available on Amazon. I found an image of an Analemma here: www.mysundial.ca/tsp/analemmic_sundial.html I just printed it out, and then traced it to the back plate, then in one case wood burned the image onto the plate using a wood burning kit, in another case, used an archival ink pen, then covered everything with several coats of varnish. The rest of the design and construction was very much my own, based somewhat on a couple of old photographs, which design I also modified to my own abilities. It can certainly be made more simply than this one, and work just as well. I would not leave this one out in the weather much, as it is just made of wood, but I am working on a design that I can construct using copper plating.
      Thanks for looking, and for your question. If you have anything more specific you'd like to know, I will be happy to try to answer.

    • @ethanweyn752
      @ethanweyn752 Před 3 lety +1

      @@DavidMorris-pq4jq What is the curve of the analemma wood piece?

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před 3 lety

      @@ethanweyn752 The curve is simply the radius from the targeting hole (What else should I call it??) on the front piece. The original design in the book I mentioned showed that piece as a simple straight piece of wood. The problem with that is that the analemma would have to be distorted somewhat at either extreme (top and bottom). You probably wouldn't notice it in real life, but I just wanted to be more precise. Artistic too, I think! The curve makes all parts of the analemma the same distance from the targeting hole. I'm just hoping the analemma I downloaded from the internet is accurately drawn. My test dial seems to be working pretty well, though that back piece is flat on my first attempt.

    • @user-rh7cs9pv6b
      @user-rh7cs9pv6b Před 2 lety

      @@DavidMorris-pq4jq Beautiful work, I'd call the radius the 'focal point'? Nice job, I want to make an an Armillary sundial, being a metal man it seems more suitable for me.

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před 2 lety

      @@user-rh7cs9pv6b Thank you! I am trying to figure out how to make one out of metal myself. The etching of the markings and also welding or soldering the parts together has me a bit stumped. But for sure, metal would be better! I did make an Armillary dial out of knitting hoops! Primitive, but it does work! Sort of....!

  • @tomlucia6143
    @tomlucia6143 Před 7 měsíci

    could you make me one

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před 7 měsíci +1

      🙂 I think I have probably built my last one. I don't have access to some of the tools I used to build the one in my video. I did make one out of aluminum so I can leave it outside. If I ever built another one, I'd like to make it out of brass, and perhaps have the markings etched in professionally, rather than hand drawn like the one in the video. I actually built 4 of them, adding improvements in each one. But thanks for the comment! If I had the equipment, I'd like to make them commercially, because there just aren't many like that out there.

  • @normanacree1635
    @normanacree1635 Před 9 měsíci

    Simple? Are you kidding?

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před 9 měsíci

      Maybe I meant the operation of it! Who knows what I was thinking a few years ago! I have seen some much more complicated designs to use or understand or to build. My main tools for this one, was a table saw, a router, a hole cutting attachment for the router, and some elbow grease. A couple of large protractors and rulers and a wood burning kit.....

  • @RR-or5ip
    @RR-or5ip Před měsícem

    Wish people would tell how to make these calculations and accurately draw.

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před měsícem +1

      I think this will help: www.mysundial.ca/tsp/analemmic_sundial.html I found this on the web, printed it out, then figured exactly what length it needed to be, so took it to a copy machine and scaled it up or down to get the dimensions I needed, then simply traced the "8" onto the target (curved) plate. The rest of the dial was laid out using a large protractor I picked up at Harbor freight. For Latitude, I simply looked at my GPS, figured my Latitude angel, then used my smart phone level, or any digital level, to set your own Latitude. Mine is around 34* Feel free to ask any other question. Hope the link works.

    • @RR-or5ip
      @RR-or5ip Před měsícem

      @@DavidMorris-pq4jq Thank you so much!!

  • @MauriceJayMusic
    @MauriceJayMusic Před 3 měsíci

    Great device and video! Can I ask what the radiius of the Month figure 8 piece of plywood is please?

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před 3 měsíci

      Thanks for your question. The front of the swing arm has the little hole in it, and the curved piece with the figure 8 on it is the radius from that hole to the 8. The pivot is 1/2 way between them So I have two dials, one the radius is 8", the other is smaller and the radius is 6" So the distance from the targeting hole to the "8" is the same from top to bottom. So whatever size your dial is, the radius is from the front targeting hole to the curved piece. Hope that helps! Feel free to ask any other questions.

    • @MauriceJayMusic
      @MauriceJayMusic Před 3 měsíci

      @@DavidMorris-pq4jqSuper, thank you.

    • @MauriceJayMusic
      @MauriceJayMusic Před 3 měsíci

      @@DavidMorris-pq4jqDare I suggest you make a build-along video for us novices 🙂

    • @DavidMorris-pq4jq
      @DavidMorris-pq4jq  Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@MauriceJayMusic Making me laugh! It is hard to make a video of something I built 3 years ago! I do have a few snapshots of it in pieces. Mine is also unnecessarily complicated. There are easier ways to build it. Not as pretty, but just as functional I got the idea from a book called "Sundials, How to Know, Use, and make them". by R. Newton Mayall and Margaret W. Mayall. Unfortunately it is out of print as far as looking on Amazon is concerned. I am also not sure how to add some still shots to a video already posted. I do have some photos of a much simpler version I built at first, but again, just single shots. If I knew how to send you a single shot, or several of them, I would. Otherwise feel free to keep asking questions.
      Just a hint, The complex separate rotating dial rotating around a smaller inner wheel can be a single piece, mounted to a flat board, which is hinged at the bottom to another flat board, with an adjustable arm to set the declination. The single round dial can have a slotted hole at the bottom for making adjustments for wherever you are within your own time zone, or between standard time and daylight savings time.. I didn't have any plans other than the simple one in the book mentioned above. All the other adjustments were pretty much invented in my head as I went along. I made several versions before finally doing the one in the video. I later made one out of aluminum.
      I appreciate your interest (and anyone else's) and am happy to answer any other questions.

    • @MauriceJayMusic
      @MauriceJayMusic Před 3 měsíci

      @@DavidMorris-pq4jqThank you again squire for the reply.... looks like I will be spending the next 6 months pondering time, angles and our solar system :-)