And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 Please go to a PCA Presbyterian or OPC Presbyterian church, or maybe a Rpcna/Rpc Presbyterian church If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church. If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland, they are Presbyterian If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England :)
@@ancientpathstv I have been going to an Orthodox church for a year now, helping and trying to learn from traditions I did not grow up with to become a better christian. I grew up Baptist and I though that I was in error not learning these traditions that they hold, it relieves me a little to know that they indeed have traditions that do not trace back to the originals so that I know that I grew up without flawed understanding. But it hurts me to see how now my friends there grew up with the same things I feared. I have started to try to read/ journal these differences but it is harder for me to tell them that I will not be Christened into their church. I love some of their traditions and use it as teachings and references on how to live, like with some saints or parables, but when they said that some things are absolute truths I chime that this could not possibly what the apostles meant or showed in the beginning as a way of worship. As well as the fantastical stories of some saints makes me question my own church body. Also I hate the idea of anathama coming from us the church laity upon other christians, unless they decry things like mormonism or JW stuff, to do it upon even Catholics, Coptic Christians, Protestants made me feel uncomfortable. I think only God may be a judge, even if it was said that this is a practice it feels weird to cry out eternal damnation from the lips of a human on God's behalf. Thank you for your videos I recently just found your channel
@@LG-bs1rs People tend to react from one error to another, rather than seeking a Biblical balance. My number is on the church website. Please feel free to call me.
Glad to see solid Reformed channels offer material to debate Eastern Orthodoxy. Protestants tend to waste their ammo on Catholicism, which is honestly much closer to what we believe than Orthodox is.
Uhhhh no, Catholicism is not closer to Protestantism than EO. Have you read Trent, Vatican 1, and their other canonical documents? Roman Catholicism effectively denies Penal Substitution, though they pay lip service to it. They deny and anathematize justification by faith alone. They make communion with their church a sin-qua-non element of the gospel. They accept the so called "second nicene creed" which makes incondulia a sine-qua-non element of the gospel. Their mariology is equally as bad as the mariology found in the EO church. They deny Sola scriptura, just like the EO. I mean there is so much more that could be said. Rome is just as far from Protestantism and the gospel, as Orthodoxy is. Don't fool yourself.
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 Please go to a PCA Presbyterian or OPC Presbyterian church, or maybe a Rpcna/Rpc Presbyterian church If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church. If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland, they are Presbyterian If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England :)
EO convert to Protestantism here! It is exactly this double-faced "we are mystical and pious, we only care about our own salvation" on one side and the arrogance with which they condemn everyone else that drew me out of Orthodoxy. EO often speak of the "fallen West", but it looks like they fail to see (Matthew 7:5) the elephant in the room, the fallen East!
Still, I think Protestantism could learn a lot from the mysticism of the east. It's one of the reasons why I do have a degree of respect for Pentecostals as an eastern Christian myself. I feel like a lot of modern Christianity has been dried out and secularized.
What a treat! My beloved husband was also a Cretan, studied as an apprentice monk, and eventually moved to the States and became a Christian (Protestant). He told me all about Loukarios and how he wished his influence had permeated the Orthodox Church. Thank you so much for covering him! My husband went home a few years back so this is lovely and sad. ❤
Thank you for sharing this! If your husband would be up for it, I would absolutely love to interview him about his testimony on my channel. I am looking to platform stories of common people who were once Eastern Orthodox and who are now members of a Protestant tradition (I've done several similar interviews regarding Roman Catholicism on my channel). It sounds like your husband's story would be perfect for edifying and building up a lot of people who struggle with these matters. Please feel free to let me know if you're interested 🙂
The parallels between the conspiracies about Cyril and Jesus are fascinating. A church steeped in tradition working WITH pagans on “heresy” charges to eliminate a bright light surrounded by darkness. Cyril, a true martyr, taking up his cross.
As a confessional Lutheran it's not new to hear someone whose "gospel" denies the justification of sinners by grace alone in Christ alone through faith alone call us anathema; but it's still somewhat surreal to see it on video in the present day. To paraphrase Melancthon in the Apology of the Augsburg Confession, now that we see that our opponents openly condemn the plain truth, the gospel of the free forgiveness of sins for Christ's sake, what danger can we not risk, what fear shall we not endure? Thank you for your work and for this and the previous video. Soli Deo gloria!
@@zealousideal You're arguing against a caricature. We took the time to engage what Eastern Orthodox are actually saying. Why is it you refuse to do the same? czcams.com/video/3AplWYXFiCA/video.html
@@zealousideal Hi there, thanks for the comment. For the moment I'll resist "proof texting". Let me respond in this way: Sin is what keeps us from God, correct? So the fundamental question is, what "fixes" sin? What is it that propitiates the wrath of God against sin and fully atones for it? What is it that reconciles fallen sinners to a perfectly holy God? Can it be the repentance we offer daily for the ongoing sin in our lives? Can it be the life of love and charity we're called to live, but which like our repentance, is always found to be weak, less than pure or sincere or adequate enough? No, in all these things we are indeed called to walk as disciples, call that walk collectively theosis or sanctification if you like, but nothing we do as part of this can assuage the wrath of God against sin. Only Christ and His perfect life, death on the cross and resurrection from the dead can provide sufficiency for the reconciliation with God we need to be forgiven and made righteous before He who is absolutely Holy and will one day judge the living and the dead. But if it is Christ alone who is our atonement and reconciliation with the Father, then it necessarily is by grace alone, since it was not our will which directed Christ's work or sacrifice, but God's own. We did not earn Christ or merit what He won; He completed His indescribably perfect work while we were all yet sinners. And so if it is by grace alone, then the promise _of_ Christ for us, must be received by us through faith alone, since it is only faith which can receive a promise. If the promise of grace is earned or completed by us, then it's not grace but due; moreover the promise if earned is then not a promise at all, but merely a "contingent hope" as was the Law; for he who keeps it shall live. In such a promise we can then never have certainty, since it remains that we never love purely enough or adequately enough to think ourselves having obtained it. The confusion of works or response of any type into the gospel of Christ effectively results in the denial of it. We are indeed called to live lives of love and charity, but not to obtain the forgiveness of sins and reconciliation with God, but to persevere therein and to confirm our call and election as it were. This life of love does not obtain the grace and favor of God, but is the _result and response_ of the unmerited grace and favor of God, which He has bestowed upon us in Christ.
Excellent presentation of an issue that is so hardly known, much less understood. I especially appreciated that you presented the documentation and didn't just assert your views.
Amazing. Keep it up brother. It is really sad that there aren't a lot of people who are doing a study on the eastern orthodox church, because it is so different. Keep it up man, we need more.
Being Reformed, I am so glad I do not have to twist history to make it agree with my theology which is absolutely inevitable if one rejects Sola Scriptura. Thank you for another great video.
If you reject the doctrine of sola scriptura, you have to twist history to make it agree with your theology, inevitably? How so? I haven’t even finished the video yet but this comment is interesting .
@@jmanuel722 I'm guessing that he's pointing to the East and Rome trying to create an infallible church to compete with the Scriptures. Their problem is that they've both anathematized what the early church clearly taught, so they rewrite it to support later "developments" (deformations) of the faith.
I really benefitted from your last video on EO, and just learned about this one from James White. Thank you for all the work that goes into these! May the Lord use them to open people’s eyes with the good news.
It is encouraging to see a patriarch of the Eastern church attempt to reform the church. Sadly, he was martyred. Pastor, you have done an incredible job of demonstrating the damage caused by the claims of the infallibility of the church. As with Old Testament Israel, they are drawn to idolatry rather than the true worship of God. May God have mercy and reform his church.
Half of them actually live like in the time of Jesus I can't even imagine them partying at parties where they u act like rockin' and rolling maniac like you who "reformed" self :) it's just never going to happen, believe me :')
So this is a problem for Orthodoxy because they supposedly have an unbroken chain of apostolic authority. No wonder they scrambled to discredit him and later make him a saint. Are we being gaslighted by EO now?
@@CalebDekker The fifth ecumenical council called Augustine a "church father" who is in "every way" to be followed, but I guess Eastern Orthodoxy is whatever you want it to be. 🙂
@@CalebDekker if you’re trusting in the Orthodox church for your salvation I would be worried. You are trusting in your works to save you. You can’t earn salvation. Are you doing all you can do to be saved?
One slight correction, although it is true that "not all Orthodox call down anathama's against protestants" this is only true because the Orthodox Parishes that refrain from doing so, are ignorant, or embarrassed, or even rebellious. The "Synodikon of Orthodoxy" is a canonical text that is supposed to be read on the first Sunday of Lent every year in the Orthodox church. During the reading of this document, all of the orthodox parishioners are called to curse and anathematize everyone outside of their church. The canonical text says as much saying: "That whoever does not confess with heart and mouth that he is a child of the Eastern Church baptized in Orthodox style, and that the Holy Spirit proceeds out of only the Father, essentially and hypostatically, as Christ says in the Gospel, shall be outside of our Church and shall be anathematized." Later, in the same text, they are called to curse: "whoever says that the Pope is the head of the Church, and not Christ, and that he has authority to admit persons to Paradise with his letters of indulgence or other passports, and can forgive sins as many as a person may commit if such person pay money to receive from him indulgences, i.e., licenses to sin, let every such person be anathema. Note a couple of things. 1. They anathematize anyone who doesn't confess to belong to the EO church. 2. They curse all who affirm the filioque, condemning the Latin church fathers (including Augustine particularly) , many eastern fathers, and others. 3. They condemn without qualification anyone who belongs to the Roman Catholic church,and calls the pope the head of the church (which vatican one considers a indispensable doctrine) . The foregoing quotations prove that all so called "ecumenism" efforts are ridiculous to anyone who takes the official teachings of the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches seriously. Of course, many Catholics and Orthodox believers are ignorant of their own churches official dogmas, hence the ecumenism efforts! More could be said, but overall, great job!!
Also, many Orthodox Christians, seeking to avoid harshness of the synodikon, particularly the Sigilion section (which is the one I quoted) will cite a 2011 paper that purportedly shows that the Sigilion is a forgery. Joshua Schooping, a former orthodox priest, who is now a reformed pastor, addressed this spurious argument in his book labeled "Disillusioned: why I left the eastern orthodox priesthood and church, 2nd edition" saying: "Following upon the foregoing discussion of the ritual anathemas called to be pronounced annually on all non-Eastern Orthodox Christians, the question of the Sigillion of 1583's authenticity, especially with its anathemas, involves a few key details which, if glossed over, will lead to an erroneous conclusion regarding the canonicity of its contents. A helpful study of this was done in 2011, entitled, "The 'Sigillion' of 1583 Against 'the Calendar Innovation of the Latins': Myth or Reality?" This 2011 study contains many valuable details that help to establish the question of the authenticity of the anathemas. Regarding the occasion of the study, the bishop, Cyprian of Oreoi, who wrote this oft-cited study that purportedly showed the Sigillion was a "forgery," was part of a "non-canonical" Orthodox group called "the Holy Synod in Resistance." This group dissolved in 2014 when it joined another independent Orthodox group called "the Genuine Orthodox Church of Greece" (which also has an American branch), none of which are part of what is sometimes referred to as "world Orthodoxy," i.e. your typical Greek Orthodox, Antiochian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox (including ROCOR), OCA, etc. parishes. The context of his study regards the disputed use of a certain calendar for the purposes of properly establishing days of worship. There are basically three calendars in question: (1) the original Julian Calendar (the canonical one), (2) the Gregorian Calendar (the condemned one), and (3) the Revised Julian Calendar (which was an open question to him at the time of his writing). His study amounted to show that a certain monk, Iakovos, in 1858, essentially synthesized the material from several existing canonical texts from synods dating from 1583, 1587, 1593, and 1616 (a span of 33 years), which he confirms are in themselves all authentic, but which were synthesized by Iakovos together into a form that came to be known as "the Sigillion of 1583." This text has been widely accepted throughout the Orthodox world, not only in Greece and in the Rudder (Pedalion), but also was (according to the bishop's study) published in the official periodical of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad (ROCA) in 1924 (after the fateful events of the Bolshevik Revolution). The original Tomos (official Church decision and declaration) of 1583 is apparently lost, but apparently that date served for Iakovos as the canonical starting point for the conciliar decisions and anathemas which are stated in the follow-up synodal, canonical documents, although a joint Epistle from Patriarchs Jeremiah II of Constantinople (who famously corresponded with the Lutherans) and Sylvester of Alexandria apparently survived from the original 1583 Synod. The main body of the text of "the Sigillion of 1583" comes from 1616, where the anathemas are all explicitly given (and nowhere called into question). It appears the seventh, more general, anathema of 1616 is amplified by earlier material from 1593 in order to give the sense of the general anathema in the total context given by the prior official documents going all the way back to 1583. This 1616 text confirms the instruction to "read this Tomos frequently in Church," which serves as the ground for including the anathemas in the present-day Synodikon, making their inclusion authentic even if the date of 1583 is ultimately symbolic. The 1593 anathema against the Gregorian calendar was later confirmed, together with the other anathemas of 1616, by Dositheus, who was the great figure of the Synod of Jerusalem in 1672. The purpose of the bishop's study of all of this was to show that there needs to be a Pan-Orthodox Council to settle the matter of the Revised Julian Calendar, not the Gregorian Calendar, the Gregorian Calendar being clearly and unambiguously condemned and anathematized. Again, it must be stressed that the contents of the study did not call into question the anathema against the users of the Gregorian Calendar, which he affirms is an authentic anathema. And given the fact that his "Holy Synod in Resistance" dissolved and entered into the Julian Calendar group, it seems he sided against the position of his own study and so closed the question of the Revised Julian Calendar. I might add that a Pan-Orthodox Council is a practical impossibility, which is an enormous problem in and of itself for the Eastern Orthodox. In conclusion, the so-called "Sigillion of 1583" has a convoluted provenance, but is certainly authentic according to Eastern Orthodox canonical realities, even if the contents (including the signatures) are a collation and synthesis of multiple authentic documents and declarations spanning from 1583 to 1616. In short, the anathemas are not mythical. All of the anathemas are present at some place in these documents (largely from the 1616 document). None of them were truly called into any question by Bishop Cyprian's study (the contents of the Seventh Anathema against the Gregorian calendar being a synthesis of the final general anathema of 1616 together with the substance of the anathema from 1593 confirmed by Dositheus in chapter 11 of his Dodecabiblos), even though the 1583 date ends up being symbolic in nature. Thus, rather than accusing Iakovos of "forgery," it is apparent from the bishop's own study that Iakovos acted with integrity to carefully collate and re-present the authentic canonical position of the Eastern Orthodox Church, incorporating and summing up into the 1616 document what was spread across several synods spanning a 33 year period and multiple documents dating from 1583. He thus took the official tomoi and authentic anathemas of this period and gave them together as a single, unified document in 1858. In short, despite the convoluted provenance of the final version, the Sigillion of 1583 as found in the Synodikon is no myth, but stands as the authentic communication of the Eastern Orthodox position and of the anathemas that are incorporated into the Synodikon read on the First Sunday of Lent, the Sunday of Orthodoxy"
Schooping elsewhere states : "Are the anathemas from 1583 legitimate? Yes, and one can find verification of this in a major Eastern Orthodox compilation of canons entitled, "The Rudder" (Pedalion), where it is discussed in several places, pg 13 being notable. Here is a quotation from that page (note especially the second paragraph): "In the Ecclesiastical History of Philaretos Bapheides, Metropolitan of Didymoteichos, we read the following (Vol. iii, p. 124-5): 'When towards the end of the sixteenth century Gregory Xlll with the help of the Calabrian astronomer Louis Lily reformed the Julian calendar and introduced what was thus called the Gregorian calendar on the 5th day of October, 1582, counting the 5th day of October as the 15 h, he desired to have the other churches accept it. Inasmuch as the Protestants refused at first to accept it, he sent an embassy to Jeremiah II with gifts, entreating him to approve acceptance of the correction. In view of the difficulties involved in applying the correction in practice, he rejected the Pope's proposal, and in common with Silvester of Alexandria he issued in 1583 a letter in which, by reference to the instructions contained in the four ordinances of the Nicene Council concerning the feast of Easter, he pointed out the defects of the Gregorian calendar. This letter was written in consequence of the Council held in Constantinople in that year, which principally condemned the Gregorian calendar.' (See in addition Dositheus, volume on Love, p. 538; M. Gedeon, Canonical Qidmances, I, p. 34: Hypsilantis, p. Ill: Heineccius, 111, p. 180; and Sathas, in the above.) "In accordance, therefore, with these testimonies and many others concerning the aforementioned Council and its ordinances, a letter, or bull (sigillon), on the part of the attending patriarchs and other prelates, was issued. by which bull the new calendar of Pope Gregory of Rome was condemned. The foregoing sigillion (bull). issued after a conciliar conference ill the year 1583, and dated the same year, i.e., 1583 of 12 years of indiction, November 20th, and bearing the signatures of the patriarchs and other prelates already referred to, appears in the MS Codex No. 772 of the Sacred Monastery of St. Panteleemon (of the Holy Mountain, or Mt. Athos) In this sigillion. besides other things, there is contained an anathama of Orthodoxy against the "Papal calendar" and the new paschalion i.e., Easter reckoner). This sigillion is also found together with the anathema in it in the MS Codex No. 285 of the cell named "The Akathistos Hymn" of the Sacred Hermitage of Kafsokalyvia of the Holy Mountain (Mt. Athos). This sigillion was sent to all Orthodox churches by Patriarch Jeremiah." The pages following (pgs 13-15) contain the text of the anathemas. It is sad people cast doubt on this. And if one seeks to escape it, they are going against a document that was signed by the heads of the churches (Russia by inclusion) and confirmed by all of them in council. That document is therefore binding on all of these churches to this day. No one has overturned it (or will)."
@@ancientpathstv I hear you. I just wanted to stress to your audience that those orthodox churches who do not ritually pronounce anathema's against protestants in their churches , fail to do so against the authority of their mother church, something many do not know. Your initial comment left room for an interpretation that would imply the cursing of Protestants is optional, and not formally commanded/believed , (as opposed to the 2nd nicene creed which you mentioned immediately after) which it is. Many proselytizing Orthodox adherents conceal such practices from unwitting Protestants. Great work again!
Your videos are extremely edifying, I’ve watched both Eastern Orthodox videos dozens of times due to a friend’s conversion. It maybe a lot to ask, but is it possible to list sources where you found much of this information. Unfortunately google searches have not yielded any pictures of the documents shown in this video and source material would be an extremely useful tool. Thank you and God bless 🙏
Thank you for the kind note. Most of the citations should be noted on the screen. If there are particular ones you need, send me the time stamp, and I'll send you what I have.
@@ancientpathstvSo if I’m more specific, I’m wondering where you found such great photos of the documents shown at 13:49, 14:37, 15:45, 21:13, 28:53, and 35:32. I also would like the reference to the part at 14:47. I tried my best to spell out the name you spoke but I just can’t seem to find the Metropolitan, or any work that speaks about the comparison of the 2 signatures. Thank you so much for your speedy reply!
@@Frankjp555 The Metropolitan's name was Philaretos Vapheides. The cover of his book is shown in the video. The scans of the manuscripts mostly come from requests to the Bodleian Library (especially Lucaris' signed presentation copy of the confession for King James I), the Geneva Library (Lucaris' correspondence, signed confession, and Konopius' letter), and the Archives of the Congregatio de Propaganda Fide at the Vatican (the Kontaris material). The signature from the monastery was online. I've scanned Georg Hofmann's work on Lucaris, which includes a number of early photos of manuscripts, including Lucaris' letter to the pope. I hope to soon post it on www.archive.org.
I fear "Google" for serious research is getting worse over time. Far to many physical libraries are closing. As for books being scanned online, they can be altered or lost, you get the idea. Our information age comes with a leash. God Bless
Wow I was unaware of the comments from the second century fathers regarding substitutionary atonement. EO makes it seem Calvin came up with this in the 1500s, very disingenuous. And seeing them chant an anathema in a service seems petty. Does not Jesus command us to bless our enemies, not curse them?
What surprised me the most in this video was the cooperation between Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. I thought that before the 20th century they would both consider each other hellbound. Thanks for the video. Years ago (I was living in Mainland China and unable to go to find a church) and I was trying to figure out which religion was correct and later which branch of Christianity was correct. I watched a lot of tradcath and sedevacantist material and I was extremely nervous that I would go to hell if i didn't join them or the Eastern Orthodox. I believe that God used your videos to show me the truth. I eventually was converted returned to America and was baptized in a Presbyterian Church. Keep on making these videos, they're some of the best Christian videos out there!
The arguments between diplomats included theology, but that was hardly their motivation. The 17th-19th centuries are sometimes called "the Latin Captivity" when it comes to Orthodox education.
@@Taipei_103 There was a growing tension as Rome was making grander and grander claims for itself. The Roman Empire fell in the West, and after centuries of chaos, Rome eventually declared the German "Holy Roman Empire" its legitimate successor. That didn't go over so well with the Eastern part of the Empire that did fall until 1458. The differences in language (Latin vs. Greek) and other factors all led up to the Great Schism in 1054.
@NathanielJ.Franco Yeah I know! It's almost like they are all possesed of the same obviously evil spirit or something right! Great point you bring up! See this is what happens when you trust oobvious demonic powers that whisper in your ear instead of the Holy word of God ya know? ( I bet you thought you were making a great point lol). We all know all those churches were infiltrated by the demonic secret societies like the Jesuits, free masons, etc etc etc It's all run by Saturn Cube cultists now ie: Key of Solomon Lucier (Sumash) worhsipers.
All protestants literally rely on scriptures the were Canonizes by the EO Church based on oral tradition... Well except for the books of the Bible that the reformers did not agree with. Clown world.
I would like to hear your thoughts on the following topics- 1. Fundamentalist Christianity 2. Crossdressing Saints 3. Science and Faith 4. Did Christianity really spread through sword 5. Judaizers in contemporary Christianity
We address almost all these in our other videos on this channel. For Fundamentalism, check out The Church Impotent: The History and Theology of Dispensationalism. For science, check out The Atheist Illusion. For Judaizers, check out An Earnest Plea to Seventh-day Adventists. For Christianity and the sword, check out An Earnest Plea to Roman Catholics and The Failure of Eastern Orthodoxy. Though it doesn't directly address cross-dressing, you'll find An Earnest Plea to Gay Christians deals with related issues.
@@ancientpathstv Thanks for the reply I would still like to hear your thoughts on the Crossdressing Saints our Church venerates Also, I would like to apologize for the impetuous comment on your video on Orthodoxy, I should have watched your other videos
@@ancientpathstvI would like to see a whole video on the controversial Saints Orthodox and Catholic Church venerates such as Constantine who himself was a heretic
I love this content! You have a peaceful voice and wonderful ability to speak in a documentary context that is so enjoyable and high quality. This was well put together with citations and editing! What a pleasure!
@@BrianRich1689 protestantism and roman catholicism relies on the understanding of men to know God Orthodox rely on the revelation of God gave us to know him
This was really interesting. I've met some Greek Calvinists near the city of Katerini. Apparently, the Protestant Churches were assigned to that area after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. I bet those churches trace their roots back to Cyril's work.
The Orthodox think their hymns are infallible? LOL! I'm not saying I think they're all damned, not whatsoever, but its really hysterical that they unironically hold liturgical hymns to the same level as the Nicene Creed.
Hymns and creeds are all the work of councils, that claim the same guidance of the Holy Spirit as the Apostles' Council in Acts 15. Lord willing, we'll be dealing with this more in an upcoming video on the filioque.
Its sad how EO condemns even Reformed Orthodox Christians and from my experiences have embraced a double standard for the sake of adhereing to the tradition of condemning all prots. I view them as brothers in Christ. But i also do not hold back on bringing the smoke when it comes to defending the faith
Former Greek Orthodox here…… thank you for this! How can a church claim to have authority to condemn someone to hell for believing scripture above traditions of men is scary and cult-like. Grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone! Amen
There seems to be a lot of feigned pride and assuredness, which is masking serious insecurities with many EO. I mean, scenes like that which the beginning of this video shows are just bizarre, scary, and laughable all at once. Stuff like that.. "disagree with us?!! To Hell forever!!" 1. Is the most distinctly unChristian behavior ever, 2. It's an obvious control mechanism. I once thought catholicism was way off. My mind has changed in that regard, they are clearly much closer to reality in many ways .
@@user-gv9my3jy4bWe could all hold a Council to fix this all God bless 🙏🗝️🗝️ Everyone is arguing most Prostestants disagree with each other, there's Schism inside the Eastern Orthodox & I'm Catholic Im traditional there is Traditional Conservative Catholic, Eastern Orthodox & Oriental Orthodox & Prostestants & the liberals ruin the Church. 🙏🕊️🗝️🗝️ God bless.
@@user-le1tk9kh2w No it’s not. 2 Timothy 3:16, Acts 17:11, 1 Corinthians 4:6, Mark 7:6-9. Read those verses and understand that scripture alone is all you can trust. Also when Jesus rebuked people He referred to scripture saying “haven’t you read”? Sounds like Jesus wanted us to trust His word!
@@MrWesford Does it actually? Or was that just a piously veiled way of being triumphalistic by asserting those outside the church don’t actually have Christ? If I were you I would be asking myself the question: Will this comment accusing this stranger of abandoning Christ do more harm and push him further away from the church, or will it bring him closer? Seriously, if you believe Orthodoxy to be the only true church and the place where salvation can be found then do you honestly think your quick one-liner accusing me of leaving Jesus is helpful? God have mercy on you for such careless words, as you’ll have to give an account for each one spoken. I say this with as much honesty and care for you as I can, you don’t get to make that judgment, my guy. In fact, it’s the type of rash judgment and condescending assumptions you just made that started making me question Orthodoxy. In general, orthobros are very cult-like in heir behavior in terms of the way they speak to those outside their “club”. It’s very bizarre. I wonder if your bishop would be cool with you going around online or IRL and pestering former EO and non-EO members? Something tells me that if you aren’t willing to subject your online habits to him then perhaps you should cease engaging in them, or at the very least change your approach.
Thank you The best book is Protestant Patriarch by George Hadjiantoniou. It has a few errors, but is overall very good. There are copies on www.archive.org. Also Georg Hofmann's 1929 book on Lucaris is very good in terms of transcribed original sources. It's in German and hard to find. I'm hoping to soon upload a copy to www.archive.org.
Hello, sir, what would you recommend for a seeker looking to live out the commands of Christ in the US. For instance, when Christ says to us, "So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple", what does that look like? My priest says he really does not mean this but I think he does. For me, I was going to be homeless as I had no idea what to do, but then I realized I could not be discipled. I seek to be discipled. I am tired of living what feels like a Luke warm life. I feel like a fool lost in a sea of many people saying different things. All I know is that on judgement day, I want to have repented and followed my Lord's commands. I am a tremendous sinner seeking forgiveness after living my own way for so long. Thank you very much for taking your time!
the Romanian orthodox church falls under the umbrella of eastern orthodoxy my friend. It is a autocephalous eastern church that is in full communion with the other Eastern churches. Your comment therefore, implies a distinction without a meaningful difference. (if you were making a theological point that is)
@RandomOccurrences I agree that there are things that can be useful that we could entertain from them. But I was speaking generally. If they didn't lie and cover stuff up, same for the RCC, I'd be more gracious towards them. They're too loose with that Anathema word for me to consider them nice people who are just in error.
@RandomOccurrences I can somewhat see that. I have American friends, however, that share the same sentiments. One of whom I've made a group for which is an archive of frowning saints who are disappointed in him, as a joke to get under my friends skin.
Palamists will always jump and go great lengths to deny that Saint Cyril Lucaris converted to the Reformed faith. They at one time accept it and curse him and his conversion and at another time, they deny that he was ever Reformed, but that he always stayed a Palamist. Great video, from a Lutheran.
Good job calling Palamista and not Orthodox/Eastern Orthodox. We as protestants need to start referring the the ecclesiastical congregations with more neutral names. Catholics/Roman Catholics > Papalism, Papists Eastern Orthodox > Palamism, Palamists Oriental Orthdox > Miaphysitism, Miaphysites
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 Please go to a PCA Presbyterian or OPC Presbyterian church, or maybe a Rpcna/Rpc Presbyterian church If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church. If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland, they are Presbyterian If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England :)
Thank you! I make these in my spare time, in between pastoring two congregations and a mission work, so I probably won't get around to the Assyrian church. I'm trying to finish a video on baptism, and Rabbi Tovia Singer is high on my list to lay bare his lies. 🙂
@@ancientpathstv You should Show a video on the Gnostic Gospels how they are Heretical, a lot of these Modernist on CZcams are Converting Christians to Gnosticism. God bless I'm interested in the Tovia Singer Video. I'm Catholic & I love Jesus Christ & We all need Jesus. God bless I know a lot of ex Eastern Orthodox that leave & some people go into dispare because they get Confused I pray for Christ to protect Us all. 🙏🕊️🗝️🗝️
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 Please go to a PCA Presbyterian or OPC Presbyterian church, or maybe a Rpcna/Rpc Presbyterian church If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church. If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland, they are Presbyterian If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England :)
So Here is my Issue. I own the Supplicatory canon and Akathist from St. George Monastery. It does not once mention Sylvester or Leprosy. It only mentions him being baptized in Rome. The Akathist as listed on the Saints Constantine and Helen website again only mentions Rome. The Russian Akathist has zero mentions of Sylvester as well. You do Have two Serbian and Romanian which contain the line. I did some research of my own the only reference online to a Greek original containing the stuff about Sylvester is full-of-grace-and-truth.blogspot.com/2019/05/akathist-to-sts-constantine-and-helen.html - an armature translator blogger. he lifted this "greek" text from a page which is discussing history which links to another blog that has the hymn in some word document, the word document links to a blog that does not exist anymore. None of this is in any way reliable. The bare fact that some Serbians and Romanian's sing this Akathist does not mean its accepted by the wholeness of the Orthodox Church. In Fact when you go to actual liturgical books used in Russia, Greece, America, etc. The Hymn mentioning Sylvester is not in any of them. Meaning they don't recognize it. For a hymn to carry any kind of Dogmatic weight it must be universal, have been believed and held by the fathers (i.e. have antiquity), and have Consent of All. If these things are not true then it has not been received and is not dogma even though some Romanians and Serbians sing it. Funny enough on the original blog there is even a comment which states this line is false and should not be there the commentor asserts that modern hymns published by Romanians contain historical and theological errors because they aren't checked. that same commenter repeats the correct history as an orthodox Christian. Likewise the St. George published Akathist which does not contain a reference to Sylvester itself at the end contains a history of Constantine which places him as being baptized in Nicomedia. even the blog you posted does not repeat the false history. Even the Orthodox Wiki recognizes the illegitimacy of the donation of Constantine: The OCA, GOARCH, AOCANA (I.e. Antioch) websites all have different Akathist Hymns on their websites from this one that mentions Sylvester plus they do not make mention of the false history. If the church taught this you would find it here and you don't. On top of all of that I did something you have failed to do and looked at the official Liturgical books used in the church (i.e., The Menaion, The Divine Liturgy Service Book, the Troparia and Kondakia, the official Chant Stand for GOARCH) and guess what not a single line of the false history is sung or spoken of in the official service books for the church across the world. This means that this is not a official teaching of the church. It does not have Universality, nor is it of antiquity as the church fathers you quote demonstrate, and it certainly does not have the consent of All as seen through the officially published liturgical books of the church. So then your claim that the Orthodox Church teaches this false history is suspect. Originating from blogs and not any either historical documentation or officially published Orthodox Material. I Would Hope you would re-study this issue in more detail then you did before and make necessary changes once you do. I understand being against orthodoxy and feeling strongly about that. But it is un-christen too, once you know something is not true, continue to perpetuate it. and this is demonstrably not true. Even the official hymns that mention Rome create no issues because Constantinople was seen as new Rome for many centuries. In many ancient text Rome refereed to Constantinople and all the area that Constantinople ruled over which would include Nicomedia. Which would mean Rome here could be said to refer not to Rome as in the false history version but as tin Constantinople and all areas ruled by it which includes where he was baptized. Either way all the other hymns you read mentioning Sylvester are in no way accepted by the universal Orthodox Church to this day. Nor are they sung. A couple of churches in Romanian and Serbia singing a false hymn causes no issues as the universal church has rejected it. So to give a true critique these things need to be addressed. I think you should do more research and then once you've spent enough time on it repost the video with this section either removed or updated and containing only correct representations of your opponents not strawmen. I don't think you intended strawmen here i think you thought you had ligament sources and were presenting facts. You were mistaken. @@ancientpathstv
The story about Sylvester is quoted in Nicea 2 (p. 49-50 in Mendham's translation) so it is an acceptable part of Orthodox hagiographic tradition, even if it is not strictly accurate from an historical vantage point.@@biblicalexegete6460
@@ancientpathstv Hey Ancient Paths, do you have a link showing anything on council of jassy anathematazing protestants? i cant find anything on this council. thanks brother keep up the good work.
@@JohnQTaxpayer. It starts on Page 91. Remember, Jassy was declared of "universal authority," like the ecumenical councils by the Pan-Orthodox Council in 2016. archive.org/details/actsdecreesofsyn00orth/page/90/mode/2up
Hey just a question - it seems ur saying that 1672 exonerates Cyril Lucaris, yet if u read the full Acts of the council, his name is in the anathemas. How exactly can we speak to his being exonerated?
Thanks! Please be sure to also watch The Failure of Eastern Orthodoxy. czcams.com/video/3AplWYXFiCA/video.html You might also enjoy this. czcams.com/video/utIAnY5I8CU/video.html
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 Please go to a PCA Presbyterian or OPC Presbyterian church, or maybe a Rpcna/Rpc Presbyterian church If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church. If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland, they are Presbyterian If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England :)
@RomanianOrthodoxCrusaderWhat's your point all you EO most don't hold to your Doctrine! Toll Houses are Dogmatic in your Eastern Church, but what's your point? I remember Christ giving the keys to Simon Peter CEPHEUS & then the other Apostles he talked to but Especially Prays for Simon Peter the Apostle that was a Fisherman in Luke 22:22) 🗝️🗝️ Deus Vult 🙏🙏🕯️🕯EO's most don't act like you do Uncharitable & ignorant ️
Sir thanks for this video. I am ex catholic monk but considered EO for a small while, I am hoping to become a member of the RPCOI. I hope my family will come to faith, my family obviously from Ireland and living here were raised Roman catholic (ZERO teaching though) How can I witness to them? God saves in covenants right? I know it's his sovereign will but I hope my family will come to faith in Jesus. I have hope as I was atheist and club goer in my youth also. My mam has very gentle faith in just Jesus but no theologh and doesn't go to mass (thank God) Anyway thanks again
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 Please go to a PCA Presbyterian or OPC Presbyterian church, or maybe a Rpcna/Rpc Presbyterian church If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church. If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland, they are Presbyterian If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England :)
They know they are not the Church but spurious self-deceiving individuals whose opinion does not matter and have no basis for issuing anathemas as their doctrines are valid within the circumference of their own heads only. Outside of their heads, they have no value.
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 Please go to a PCA Presbyterian or OPC Presbyterian church, or maybe a Rpcna/Rpc Presbyterian church If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church. If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland, they are Presbyterian If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England :)
I’m glad we’re talking about this. I myself was saved and now walk with Christ. I came out of Greek Orthodoxy and have been searching for the truth. All I can stand on is God’s word. Traditions can’t be trusted because man is sinful. I’m not saying all traditions are bad but we can’t blindly follow but verify with scripture. God’s word never changes and never returns void. If we try to add any self righteous work to our salvation it offends our Lord because we’re saying that Christ’s death on the cross was not enough to save us. Jesus’ last words were “it is finished” or paid in full meaning you owe nothing. It’s all been paid for! The gospel is simple but as we walk with Christ we will face persecution and hatred. The world will hate what Jesus said in His scriptures. They hate that we must repent of our sins that we once cherished. The world hates it because they are blinded to the truth.
this is why I say that the church of Christ, is not a physical institution, for itt is corruptible as men run it. for the only church that is without a mark is the one that all members of Christ are part of. Of course, I’m speaking on a spiritual church. The Holy Spirit of which, makes you a member.
Heresy and schism are both wrong. There's a tension between visible and invisible church, but it was the visible one to which Jesus pointed in Matthew 18. If someone refuses to hear that church, Christians are called to treat them as heathen and tax collectors. That being said, Eastern Orthodoxy has no legitimate claim to being that church.
This confession, an eighteen point summary of Cyril's beliefs originally written in Latin, was published in Geneva in 1629. It immediately aroused fierce opposition among other Orthodox leaders since it challenged some of the basic tenets of Eastern religious practice. A Synod of Eastern Orthodox Churches was called in Jerusalem in 1672 to refute the position of Cyril. Orthodox leaders contended that the Confession of Cyril was a forgery perpetrated by Calvinists to spread their influence among Eastern churches. They presented quotations from known writings of Cyril to show that he had not held the positions expressed in the Confession. In addition, they argued that the Confession was not an official pronouncement by an Orthodox Patriarch
@RandomOccurrences The Synod of Jerusalem of 1672 soundly rejected any further attempts at reformulation of Orthodox teachings and strengthened Orthodox beliefs against both the Protestant Reformation and Catholicism. The Synod produced its own confession, the Confession of Dositheus (Patriarch of Jerusalem), in which it refuted Cyril's eighteen points, as well as adding four catechetical style questions. instead of relying on the video's understanding i will instead rely on what the Holy Spirit revealed to us
@@OrthodoxChristianTheology 1. "yes this is bad" No, it is more than just "bad", it is extremely problematic. One of the chief arguments that the Orthodox use against Protestants is the concept of Apostolic succession, and you all urge this point because for you, the apostolic succession of the bishops , serves as a safeguard against doctrinal perversion. Examples like these prove why the entire notion of apostolic succession, or rather, the logic that undergirds EO's stance on apostolic succession, is ultimately specious, if not asinine. If it is even ***theoretically*** possible for the bishops to assume leadership by buying their way into their roles, then it is quite obvious and goes without saying that Apostolic succession does not ***ispo facto*** give us the epistemic guarantee of doctrinal truth that you would dogmatically have us believe.
I hope the tone of this doesn't come across as "unfriendly," but Lucaris has been declared a saint by two patriarchs, and your defense is to try to paint him as guilty of simony? The point of the video is that a council of "universal authority" said he was never known by the Orthodox as a Calvinist. That was a lie. Dositheus could try to hedge the council's claims by saying he personally thought him a "secret heretic," but that was also a lie, if he did any investigation. We have signed statements from both his successors and 19 other clergy directly accusing him of being a Calvinist during his lifetime, and Kontaris plotting his murder because of it. As to Constantine, "hagiography" is too convenient an excuse for fake histories. Constantine died an Arian, having exiled Athanasius and other defenders of Nicaea, yet your church declares him a "saint" and "equal to the apostles." You may think it "uncharitable" to call this a lie, but I have no more charitable term for it.
@@jeremybamgbade Honestly, Apostolic succession is less about epistemology and more about the sacraments - a sense of being in (eucharistic) communion with the early church. I understand many EO argue for Apostolic Succession wrt epistemology; However, this only ought to be the appeal made with reference to the College of bishops behind a plenary ecumenical council. Individual clergy can be heretical and a Patriarch can be heretical. I'm Anglican though, so maybe an EO can exposit their position some more.
We can discuss this more at length so that a charitable tone is clearer, but to be clear: 1. Lukaris was emboriled in a very political game, as we discussed. He wasn't solely the innocent victim of others machinations. He was himself playing the same game and got out-maneuvered. It is part of the regrettable history of that era. 2. The council's history is not strictly accurate, sort of like the film's presentation of the hagiographic genre of literature. That does not make the council worthless as a dogmatic source of evidence anymore than it makes the film a poor source of historical evidence. The council took an official stance that Lukaris was not an "officiall" Calvinist per se in his capacity as Patriarch. This is true. His private convictions appear to be Calvinist, but as others pointed out, he was careful with his language to sound sympathetic but not actually condemn Orthodox doctrines in some respects. For example, as we discussed, he expressed skepticism of icons, but not of the *crucifix* which he admitted to venerating. Hence, his whole dalliance with Calvinism was an obvious diplomatic posturing, something which we discussed. 3. As for Constantine, and I myself and a translator quoted above have written, the point of hagiography is not to be literal history. It's more like moral/dogmatic mythology. So, to take one genre of literature and hold it to the standard of another honestly makes no sense. Should I take the story of the hare and the turtle, expose the race never occurred, and discard with the lesson of the story? Hagiography is not quite that made up, but the genre takes real characters, real events, and embellishes details to make some sort of point about orthopraxy or orthodoxy. That's the genre. I've explained this in detail in my response to your former film. I think a dialogue on the question of Orthodox genres may be more productive. You have put together a strong film, from both a production and polemical standpoint. My critique is very exacting and specific, all things i have discussed with you beforehand. I still have not seen a good response and I think a discussion would be good because I feel we are speaking past each other.@@ancientpathstv
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 Please go to a PCA Presbyterian or OPC Presbyterian church, or maybe a Rpcna/Rpc Presbyterian church If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church. If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland, they are Presbyterian If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England :)
In another place you said you want arguments, so lets see if arguments are any useful. If Cyril Lucaris was indeed a calvinist, the Church clearly anathemize him (calvinism is anathema) If Cyril Lucaris was indeed wrongly convicted of being a calvinist, then he is a martyr (same point calvinism is anathema) Modern day enemies of God aka the ecumenists canonized Cyril Lucaris with the excuse that he wasn't a calvinist but a martyr, (again same point - calvinism is anathema) so they can later on bait and switch and say that he was indeed a calvinist and we need "union of all denominations". But they will fail, because the faithful already know who the enemies of God are, just like the Church knew her enemies back in the day of the arians, the nestorians, the monophisytes, and the legion of heretics, secterians and cults. The mind of the Church seems to be the same throughout all points - calvinism is anathema.
Eastern Orthodox declare their unity proves them to be true, but then declare each other "enemies of God." You can't have it both ways. If you actually watched the video, you'd see that it's not just a problem with the Patriarchs of Alexandria and Constantinople. The Pan-Orthodox Council declared the Council of Jerusalem of "universal authority," yet we document how it was based on lies. Instead of blustering, how about actually engaging the evidence?
@@ancientpathstv I like blustering. Walk into an orthodox church and look at the walls, you will notice all angels are armed with weapons, then you realize this is because you can't argue with devils. You are looking for contradictions when there is a good explanation, trying to create a tension when there is non. The Pan-Orthodox Council was a robber council. Its goal was to make use double tongue (like a snake) in order to pull the Church towards ecumenism. Bishops were forced to sign, cases of single sellout bishop singing on behalf of many, political pressure being applied, the usual robber council crap. Council of Jerusalem was a true council but simply mentioning someone may* have been accused falsely is not the same as vindicating calvinism, what you are missing is that calvinism is universally condemned by the mind of the Church throughout all ages. Where do you see contradiction ? You want to create tension when there is non.
@@ancientpathstv oh yes also could u do a video on the Eucharist and the church fathers in detail Roman Catholics point out on how the church fathers believed that the bread becomes the body even though the same fathers deny that its physical
A responsible historian, even a Protestant one, understands the Orthodox church has never had a one who speaks for all, and that being an Orthodox saint is not a stand-in for theological infallibility. The plain fact is, the Protestant Patriarch’s theology was never accepted by the Orthodox faithful. It is possible he has saint status as someone who was persecuted and killed by religious rivals, which could be viewed as martyrdom.
A responsible critic actually engages their opponent's arguments. A council that has since been declared of "universal authority" by the Pan-Orthodox Council, said Lucaris was "never known by the Eastern Church as the heretics aver." That is a demonstrable lie. We documented they recognized him as a Calvinist and conspired to murder him because of it. Please stop playing games.
@@ancientpathstvThis is exactly the kind of dodging the Orthodox do historically and ecclesiologically that no longer held anymore weight for me and made me reconsider my stance as an Orthodox christian. “If a Protestant or Catholic points out logical inconsistencies then just move the goal posts and ignore the facts of the case being brought against us!”
@@IAMFISH92 You left out accusations of "quote-mining," "cherry-picking," and having 40,000 denominations (Orthodox make up 580 on that list, and Roman Catholics make up 370). 🙂
This confession touted by protestsnts was completely refuted in the synod of Jerusalem in 1672. None of these "written confessions" by Cyril were ever documented in any of his works. The works of the man's life show his theology does not alighn with what the calvinist believed. Which is why the Orthodox or True teaching so quickly refuted the lies. In Gids work there is no darkness! Nor is God the god of confusion. Neither Calvin's teachings nor these supposed "secret" confessions of Cyril are in light nor do they create peace, grace, or understanding. You will know them by their fruits.
I see you didn't bother to watch the video. The Council of Jerusalem has been demonstrated to be a lie, with scans of numerous original documents. Lucaris autographed copies of his confession, that even Eastern Orthodox admit is his signature. On numerous occasions, he stated, in writing, that he wrote it, and even his enemies all admitted it. He was tried and convicted, in absentia, by Rome as a Calvinist, during his lifetime. A petition was made from Cyril Kontaris and 19 other clergy to Rome, seeking funds to bribe the Turks to remove him. Contrary to the later claims of Jerusalem, they stated he was a Calvinist. The Council of Jerusalem was attributed with "universal authority" by the Pan-Orthodox Council in 2016, and are supposed to be just as much led by the Holy Spirit as ecumenical ones. We've proven Dositheus and the council were liars, just like your church.
@@Joshua12w2o Lucaris signed his name in Greek and Latin forms. One of the comparisons shown is him signing in Greek as patriarch of Alexandria and the other as patriarch of Constantinople. They were made years apart, but other than the location, even Vapheides admitted their from the same hand.
@@ancientpathstv That may be. However the Orthodox church does not rest on any one man. As I am not a theologian and even speaking of these things on the internet is questionable to Orthodox I will lightly and gently say, the patristic teachings were not what Calvin taught. The heresy of Calvinism has been and continues to be rejected by the one Holy Apostolic church that Christ Himself set up. The new teachings from Luther, Zwingly, And Calvin (and other Protestants) some 1500 years after the church was established and building is simply not the patristic faith once for all handed down to the saints. It is a new teaching made up by men. Not understanding the traditional teachings from the Apostles to the patristic fathers has led to a view of scripture that is reductionist and legalist. May the Lord guide you out of pride and into His Holy Spirit of truth. May the Lord have mercy upon His Holy and Apostolic Catholic Church which He purchased with His blood. That He promised he would preserve it until He returns, though the gates of hell rage against it it would remain unconquerable forever. That the Lord would heal the schisms of the churches and quench the ragings of the heathen, that He would speedily root out and undoo all the growths of heresies and bring them to naught by the power of His Holy Spirit. In Jesus name, Amen.
Wonderful to hear an anathema against the Protestants including Henry VIII. Lucaris was condemned explicitly by 3 Councils, and doesn't anyway represent the Patristic Symphony (aka consensus) of the Church, which is what counts. If it's a forgery, this doesn't alter this. From the sermons it is clear that Lucaris didn't always have this Calvinist, heretical view. The consensus of the Church can take a while to emerge. But it always does, in the end. The True Church is now the True Orthodox Church because all member churches of the World Council of Churches and those directly or indirectly in communion with them fall under the 1983 Anathema Against Ecumenism by the Synod of the fully Canonical Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia (ROCOR) under the Omophorion of its First Hierarch and Metropolitan St. Philaret of New York meeting at their monastery in Masonville, the Eastern Townships, Québec, Canada. He died in 1985 and his body was discovered to be incorrupt in 2001. All those whom you identify as living "Eastern Orthodox" who deny Lucaris's journey into Calvinism (the real question is: was Lucaris fully repentant from Calvinism and all other heresies at the time of his death), fall under this anathema. It's typical of these to make false histories and saints. And not to recognise true saints such as Metropolitan Philaret, whom they have consistently rejected and persecuted and murdered. This, in fact, proves that they are another subset of heretical Eastern Protestantism, to go with their fellow Protestant heretics the Romanist Papal Protestants (since the 1054 Great East-West Schism) and the Reformed Protestants (since Martin Luther and others failed to take their protest against papal indulgences, on which point they were correct, to its proper conclusion, to join what had come to be called by then, the Holy Catholic and Orthodox Church and which is now, in its full title, to distinguish those who have fallen away, from the modernist 1917 revolutions onwards, known as the True Orthodox Church). All the anathemas against the Protestants remain valid. Valid written AND oral tradition are both correct. As the Scriptures themselves state, it is the Church itself which is the pillar and ground of the Truth, not Scripture. And Holy Tradition is to be followed whether by Word or Epistle. For True Orthodoxy, the only place you will find the one and only true church, outside of which there's no salvation, go to True Orthodox sites such as NFTU (Voices from the Underground) and www.trueorthodox.eu. Incidentally one of your sources, Father John Whiteford can be easily found online discussing the ROCOR-True Orthodox Schism (completed in 2007-8) with True Orthodox priest Father Suaidan (now under a True Orthodox Church of Greece Synod). It should be noted that there has been constant splintering and then re-unification in the Truth throughout Church History via Synods, as is very well illustrated in Acts by the story of the Council of Jerusalem which took place at the time and which decided in conjunction and conformity with the Holy Spirit that few of the Jewish Old Testament dietary laws now applied. However one that still did and still does apply is the prohibition on eating the blood of animals [into which their souls dissolve]. The devil, Satan, Lucifer, has sowed dissent since he led the rebellion of 1/3 of the Angels from heaven before the creation of man. This action of him and his followers will only end with the Final Judgment. Until then, as Holy Tradition including the written tradition of the Scriptures informs us "there will be heresy in every generation". As Hieromartyr St. Mark of Vsevolod said, quoting Scripture, the heavenly church "is without spot or wrinkle", but the earthly Church, consisting of fallen human beings, well that's another matter. Protestant heretics of all descriptions reject this when they eat blood puddings such as black pudding, thus showing themselves to be pseudo-Christians and servants of the devil who refuse to obey Holy Tradition, both written and unwritten including the Bible which they claim to follow. We must pray, as True Orthodox Christians, that "if it is not a sin to do so, for your repentance and salvation." With love in Christ.
It never ceases to amaze me how "Eastern Orthodox" proclaim their unity proves their truth, but then anathematize one another as servants of the devil. As said in The Failure of Eastern Orthodoxy, it's whatever you want to make it - - from David Bentley Hart's universalism to your "one, true church," from Lazar Puholo and Elpidophorous championing homosexuality to those others claiming only Orthodoxy can combat it. It's also funny how everyone seems to claim an incorrupt saint proves the validity of their group. I've seen the relics of "incorrupt" saints, and they look just as corrupt as ordinary corpses to those who aren't invested in the narrative. You misunderstood Irenaeus. He didn't say the Scriptures are the pillar and ground of the truth (that would be contrary to Paul), but of our faith (paraphrasing Paul). As demonstrated in our videos, the issues aren't just with Eastern Orthodox who lie about Lucaris and Constantine, but the whole system. We hope to have a new video out shortly that will demonstrate that when you anathematize the filioque, you're not just anathematizing Augustine, Ambrose, and Jerome (as Photios admitted), but Athanasius, Cyril, and a host of others as well. Eastern Orthodox want to confuse Protestants with cultists and apostates, but real Protestants stand with the apostles and the church fathers against Rome and the East. We back our claims up with the Scriptures and the testimonies of the early church, not fake miracles.
I like the voice acting. In Eastern Orthodoxy all historical patriarchates have at some point become schismatic. Antioch Alexandria and Jerusalem in Ephesus II Rome 1058 Constantinople in the Short Union of Florence Ruthenian (Ukraine/Russia) with the Uniate. If the Orthodox Church is true why do all of their patriarchs fall into error so often? For Catholics it's ok if the Greek Patriarch was a Calvinist or if the Coptic Patriarch a monophysist because those see have no promise of infallibility. Only Rome, when speaking ex-cathedra.
Elvira did not prohibit the veneration of Icons, it prohibited painting them directly on walls because they could be vandalized. This is in light of the other canons.
The history was fascinating. The take, classic protestant apologetics. My questions would be, to which of the hundreds of different denominations with their own "traditions" of claiming they understand Scripture do you belong? As one of my relatives tartly put it, Protestants just replace one pope with a thousand. In the end the fractured world of Protestantism is proof that the Orthodox suspicion of everyone reading Scripture willy nilly is fundamentally correct. It does lead to disaster. We all know what Scripture says, but what does it mean? For that I trust the Church and her interpretations of tradition as the Church existed before Scripture was ever written down, and in fact it was the Church that codified Scripture.
@@ancientpathstvi already watched it sometime ago it were statements I heard many times wasn’t something new for me to be honest. I’m gonna watch the video today another time. Even though we disagree, I respect the amount of time you put in these videos.
@@RomanCatholicVaticano Thanks for the respect. I haven't gotten a lot of that from others who disagree. You might also be interested in seeing The Failure of Eastern Orthodoxy we made. czcams.com/video/3AplWYXFiCA/video.html
32:17 "And what thy call Calvinism is simply tradition understood in the light of the church. Rather by oral tradition that keeps changing" The fact that Calvinism breaks into various branches with differing theology kinda goes again that assertion.
No, it demonstrates human sinfulness. How do you explain heretics and apostates in the apostolic church, if unity is the standard of truth? You're testing "Calvinism" by a standard that also condemns Eastern Orthodoxy and Rome. Russians accuse Patriarch Bartholomew of being a CIA asset, while non-Russians accuse Patriarch Kirill of being a KGB agent. Rome has "unity" in recognizing the Pope as the head of the church, but those who believe previous popes spoke for God are being scandalized by the current pope saying the exact opposite is from God.
@@ancientpathstv Unity is the standard of truth. Because one of the four marks of the Church is "one." Christ also prayed that "they may be one." How is it that you think unity is not the standard of truth? The true Church is one. Not two, not four, not 6,538, not half, not a third, not a quarter, not 0.546. The breakaway individuals or groups doesn't make the one true Church. They are cut off.
@@namapalsu2364 Did you see The Failure of Eastern Orthodoxy on this channel? Your church isn't one. Russians call Elpidophorus a heretic and Bartholomew a CIA asset. Greeks complain that I quoted Patriarch Kirill, because they say he is a heretic and Putin's pawn. Truth does bring unity for God's people, but also division with the ungodly. Was Athanasius a schismatic when he stood against several church councils and the bishop of Rome? The church excommunicated him. By your standard, should he have recognized that unity is the standard of truth and repented? The church ultimately admitted its error and declared him a saint. Jesus said, "Woe unto you when all men speak well of you, for so did their fathers of the false prophets." How about actually engaging the content of the video?
@@TheMhouk2 You miss the point. A council of "universal authority" lied. A man declared an Orthodox saint was a self-described "Calvinist," killed by the Orthodox.
Orthodoxy is our ancestral faith, some Anglos’ opinions will not move us. We can sleep well at night, we don’t want to convert the Anglos. To each his own.
Paganism was your ancestral faith. Your forefathers abandoned it for Christ, but like Israel of old, later generations lapsed back into paganism, with an orthodox mask. God has spoken - - ignore Him at your own peril.
@@diegobarragan4904 No, the Biblical Prophets and Apostles speak for God, and they contradict the Eastern Orthodox and Catholics, who claim they speak for God.
This is one of the reasons I left Eastern Orthodoxy. You are like many Orthodox believers who are not only bigots but you have No concern for the lost! You are most likely dead in your sins because you are trusting in the false gospel of the Orthodox Church. The Orthodox Church can’t save you. You must turn to Christ for your salvation alone and be born again!
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 Please go to a PCA Presbyterian or OPC Presbyterian church, or maybe a Rpcna/Rpc Presbyterian church If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church. If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland, they are Presbyterian If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England :)
What ever Saint Cyril wrote has no authority in the Holy Orthodox Church as he has not the first with out Equal his writings where they conflict with church teaching are not accepted as is the case of Saint Augustine of Hippo so please stop trying to make a issue of what the coffee grounds in the cup say 😂😂😂😂☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️
Just as with Rome, whatever the apostles, church fathers, and ecumenical councils wrote has no authority to Eastern Orthodox - - unless the church today chooses to recognize it. If Pope Francis wants to bless homosexual couples, Roman Catholics insist that's what the church has always taught. When Archbishop Elpidophorous baptized the child of a homosexual couple, he said, "This novel and truly incredible criterion that some use, namely that we must discriminate against people based on their sexual life, is not Orthodoxy, it doesn't even count as a humane attitude. We can’t elevate sexual behavior and someone’s love life as the sole criterion either to accept or reject them. These are unprecedented things and I would say that in Greece, they are a result of an imported Western Puritanism." Your "orthodox faith" is a "wax nose" that you get to make into whatever you want it to be and sneer at those who try to remind you of the historic and biblical faith. Your church anathematizes me for refusing to venerate an icon. Catholic scholar Richard Price admits, ". . .the iconoclast claim that reverence towards images did not go back to the golden age of the fathers [i.e., 325-451], still less to the apostles, would be judged by impartial historians today to be simply correct." You're a liar who loves your lies and loves the church that confirms you in what you want to believe. I stand with the apostles and the church fathers against your lies. God will judge us all, and those who love lies end up in the lake of fire.
@@ancientpathstv I am so sorry that there are today people like you that feel threatened by the ( One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church ☦️) if you feel terrible about the fact that we call Anathema to Prots and Roman CC and it hurts you when you hear it it is God that is telling you you are wrong as I laugh 🤣 when the Prots and RCC tell me i am going to Hell as i am perfectly secure in my faith in my Lord and his Great and Holy church as to the RCC to Orthodox they are the First Protestants as the protested against the Creed of the Holy Church ! And prots we they are the illegitimate child of a bastard RCC and are as Sick and rotten to the core, but we pray for all of you in every liturgy and we judge you not as who are we to judge another’s servants ! As to the rest of your squealing i feel sorry for you !! Ps all prots In their teaching from the beginning of the prot sect have called us the false church so don’t cry that the favor is returned!!! Love of Jesus Christ and his Most Blessed Mother Theotokos be with you Amin ☦️☦️☦️
Sir, please keep doing more study on Eastern Orthodoxy. This content is much much needed. Thank you and praise God for your labor.
Thank you!
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16
Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.
-Acts 3:19
Please go to a PCA Presbyterian or OPC Presbyterian church, or maybe a Rpcna/Rpc Presbyterian church
If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church.
If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland, they are Presbyterian
If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England
:)
We hope to have a new video out soon on the filioque.
@@ancientpathstv I have been going to an Orthodox church for a year now, helping and trying to learn from traditions I did not grow up with to become a better christian. I grew up Baptist and I though that I was in error not learning these traditions that they hold, it relieves me a little to know that they indeed have traditions that do not trace back to the originals so that I know that I grew up without flawed understanding. But it hurts me to see how now my friends there grew up with the same things I feared. I have started to try to read/ journal these differences but it is harder for me to tell them that I will not be Christened into their church. I love some of their traditions and use it as teachings and references on how to live, like with some saints or parables, but when they said that some things are absolute truths I chime that this could not possibly what the apostles meant or showed in the beginning as a way of worship. As well as the fantastical stories of some saints makes me question my own church body. Also I hate the idea of anathama coming from us the church laity upon other christians, unless they decry things like mormonism or JW stuff, to do it upon even Catholics, Coptic Christians, Protestants made me feel uncomfortable. I think only God may be a judge, even if it was said that this is a practice it feels weird to cry out eternal damnation from the lips of a human on God's behalf. Thank you for your videos I recently just found your channel
@@LG-bs1rs People tend to react from one error to another, rather than seeking a Biblical balance. My number is on the church website. Please feel free to call me.
Blessed be St. Lucaris who was not afraid to trade the perishable traditions of man for the immperishable truth of Christ.
Glad to see solid Reformed channels offer material to debate Eastern Orthodoxy. Protestants tend to waste their ammo on Catholicism, which is honestly much closer to what we believe than Orthodox is.
We deal with both, along with atheism, Mormonism, Islam, Seventh-day Adventism, "Gay Christianity," and a few others. 🙂
Uhhhh no, Catholicism is not closer to Protestantism than EO. Have you read Trent, Vatican 1, and their other canonical documents?
Roman Catholicism effectively denies Penal Substitution, though they pay lip service to it. They deny and anathematize justification by faith alone. They make communion with their church a sin-qua-non element of the gospel. They accept the so called "second nicene creed" which makes incondulia a sine-qua-non element of the gospel. Their mariology is equally as bad as the mariology found in the EO church. They deny Sola scriptura, just like the EO. I mean there is so much more that could be said. Rome is just as far from Protestantism and the gospel, as Orthodoxy is. Don't fool yourself.
@@ancientpathstv Grateful for your efforts regarding SDAism, Jason. Much needed.
@@answeringadventism Thank you! I was never SDA, but I attended their school for three years as a kid. 🙂
Would like to see a debate with Jay Dyer.
these documentaries are amazing, one of the best channels on CZcams overall
God bless you!
Thank you!
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16
Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.
-Acts 3:19
Please go to a PCA Presbyterian or OPC Presbyterian church, or maybe a Rpcna/Rpc Presbyterian church
If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church.
If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland, they are Presbyterian
If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England
:)
@@GirolamoZanchi_is_cool I started attending an OPC church 2 months ago, this channel is what convinced me
@RomanianOrthodoxCrusader go back to your idols
This is a good example of how to do extensive research on a topic. You would make a great church history professor at a seminary.
Thank you!
EO convert to Protestantism here! It is exactly this double-faced "we are mystical and pious, we only care about our own salvation" on one side and the arrogance with which they condemn everyone else that drew me out of Orthodoxy.
EO often speak of the "fallen West", but it looks like they fail to see (Matthew 7:5) the elephant in the room, the fallen East!
Still, I think Protestantism could learn a lot from the mysticism of the east. It's one of the reasons why I do have a degree of respect for Pentecostals as an eastern Christian myself. I feel like a lot of modern Christianity has been dried out and secularized.
@@sakogekchyan7366
That's sad
Secularization is not good at all
That does not disprove the Orthodox faith though
What a treat! My beloved husband was also a Cretan, studied as an apprentice monk, and eventually moved to the States and became a Christian (Protestant). He told me all about Loukarios and how he wished his influence had permeated the Orthodox Church. Thank you so much for covering him! My husband went home a few years back so this is lovely and sad. ❤
Thank you!
Thank you for sharing this! If your husband would be up for it, I would absolutely love to interview him about his testimony on my channel.
I am looking to platform stories of common people who were once Eastern Orthodox and who are now members of a Protestant tradition (I've done several similar interviews regarding Roman Catholicism on my channel). It sounds like your husband's story would be perfect for edifying and building up a lot of people who struggle with these matters.
Please feel free to let me know if you're interested 🙂
@@javierperd2604 When she said her husband "went home," I think she meant he died.
@@ancientpathstv Oh, I'm sorry, I misunderstood during my first read thru. My condolences.
You are correct, he is with the Lord. He would have loved to have talked with you, though.
The parallels between the conspiracies about Cyril and Jesus are fascinating. A church steeped in tradition working WITH pagans on “heresy” charges to eliminate a bright light surrounded by darkness. Cyril, a true martyr, taking up his cross.
As a confessional Lutheran it's not new to hear someone whose "gospel" denies the justification of sinners by grace alone in Christ alone through faith alone call us anathema; but it's still somewhat surreal to see it on video in the present day. To paraphrase Melancthon in the Apology of the Augsburg Confession, now that we see that our opponents openly condemn the plain truth, the gospel of the free forgiveness of sins for Christ's sake, what danger can we not risk, what fear shall we not endure?
Thank you for your work and for this and the previous video. Soli Deo gloria!
Thank you! Lord willing, a third video on Eastern Orthodoxy is coming soon. It’s on the filioque.
@@ancientpathstv I'm sure that many of us are very much looking forward to it!
@@zealousideal You're arguing against a caricature. We took the time to engage what Eastern Orthodox are actually saying. Why is it you refuse to do the same? czcams.com/video/3AplWYXFiCA/video.html
@@zealousideal Hi there, thanks for the comment. For the moment I'll resist "proof texting".
Let me respond in this way: Sin is what keeps us from God, correct? So the fundamental question is, what "fixes" sin? What is it that propitiates the wrath of God against sin and fully atones for it? What is it that reconciles fallen sinners to a perfectly holy God? Can it be the repentance we offer daily for the ongoing sin in our lives? Can it be the life of love and charity we're called to live, but which like our repentance, is always found to be weak, less than pure or sincere or adequate enough? No, in all these things we are indeed called to walk as disciples, call that walk collectively theosis or sanctification if you like, but nothing we do as part of this can assuage the wrath of God against sin.
Only Christ and His perfect life, death on the cross and resurrection from the dead can provide sufficiency for the reconciliation with God we need to be forgiven and made righteous before He who is absolutely Holy and will one day judge the living and the dead.
But if it is Christ alone who is our atonement and reconciliation with the Father, then it necessarily is by grace alone, since it was not our will which directed Christ's work or sacrifice, but God's own. We did not earn Christ or merit what He won; He completed His indescribably perfect work while we were all yet sinners.
And so if it is by grace alone, then the promise _of_ Christ for us, must be received by us through faith alone, since it is only faith which can receive a promise. If the promise of grace is earned or completed by us, then it's not grace but due; moreover the promise if earned is then not a promise at all, but merely a "contingent hope" as was the Law; for he who keeps it shall live. In such a promise we can then never have certainty, since it remains that we never love purely enough or adequately enough to think ourselves having obtained it.
The confusion of works or response of any type into the gospel of Christ effectively results in the denial of it.
We are indeed called to live lives of love and charity, but not to obtain the forgiveness of sins and reconciliation with God, but to persevere therein and to confirm our call and election as it were. This life of love does not obtain the grace and favor of God, but is the _result and response_ of the unmerited grace and favor of God, which He has bestowed upon us in Christ.
Excellent presentation of an issue that is so hardly known, much less understood. I especially appreciated that you presented the documentation and didn't just assert your views.
Thank you! It took a lot of digging, but I wanted to leave the other side without excuse.
@ancientpathstv can u suggest a book or maybe the resources site???
This is good, rarely see Protestants make video on Eastern Orthodox
Amazing. Keep it up brother. It is really sad that there aren't a lot of people who are doing a study on the eastern orthodox church, because it is so different. Keep it up man, we need more.
Being Reformed, I am so glad I do not have to twist history to make it agree with my theology which is absolutely inevitable if one rejects Sola Scriptura. Thank you for another great video.
Thank you!
If you reject the doctrine of sola scriptura, you have to twist history to make it agree with your theology, inevitably? How so? I haven’t even finished the video yet but this comment is interesting .
@@jmanuel722 I'm guessing that he's pointing to the East and Rome trying to create an infallible church to compete with the Scriptures. Their problem is that they've both anathematized what the early church clearly taught, so they rewrite it to support later "developments" (deformations) of the faith.
I really benefitted from your last video on EO, and just learned about this one from James White. Thank you for all the work that goes into these! May the Lord use them to open people’s eyes with the good news.
Thank you!
As always, these videos are a tremendous blessing! Thanks for all you do!
It is encouraging to see a patriarch of the Eastern church attempt to reform the church. Sadly, he was martyred. Pastor, you have done an incredible job of demonstrating the damage caused by the claims of the infallibility of the church. As with Old Testament Israel, they are drawn to idolatry rather than the true worship of God. May God have mercy and reform his church.
Well said.
What is the “true worship” of God?
@@BascinetBreakerThe worship of God that is instituted by Himself in His Word.
@@laikwanstone8929 Explain in detail.
Half of them actually live like in the time of Jesus I can't even imagine them partying at parties where they u act like rockin' and rolling maniac like you who "reformed" self :) it's just never going to happen, believe me :')
So this is a problem for Orthodoxy because they supposedly have an unbroken chain of apostolic authority. No wonder they scrambled to discredit him and later make him a saint. Are we being gaslighted by EO now?
Exactly! It also means they can't dismiss their critics as simply not understanding Eastern Orthodoxy.
@@CalebDekker The fifth ecumenical council called Augustine a "church father" who is in "every way" to be followed, but I guess Eastern Orthodoxy is whatever you want it to be. 🙂
@@CalebDekker if you’re trusting in the Orthodox church for your salvation I would be worried. You are trusting in your works to save you. You can’t earn salvation. Are you doing all you can do to be saved?
This channel deserves so much more love
One slight correction, although it is true that "not all Orthodox call down anathama's against protestants" this is only true because the Orthodox Parishes that refrain from doing so, are ignorant, or embarrassed, or even rebellious.
The "Synodikon of Orthodoxy" is a canonical text that is supposed to be read on the first Sunday of Lent every year in the Orthodox church. During the reading of this document, all of the orthodox parishioners are called to curse and anathematize everyone outside of their church. The canonical text says as much saying:
"That whoever does not confess with heart and mouth that he is a child of the Eastern Church baptized in Orthodox style, and that the Holy Spirit proceeds out of only the Father, essentially and hypostatically, as Christ says in the Gospel, shall be outside of our Church and shall be anathematized."
Later, in the same text, they are called to curse:
"whoever says that the Pope is the head of the Church, and not Christ, and that he has authority to admit persons to Paradise with his letters of indulgence or other passports, and can forgive sins as many as a person may commit if such person pay money to receive from him indulgences, i.e., licenses to sin, let every such person be anathema.
Note a couple of things.
1. They anathematize anyone who doesn't confess to belong to the EO church.
2. They curse all who affirm the filioque, condemning the Latin church fathers (including Augustine particularly) , many eastern fathers, and others.
3. They condemn without qualification anyone who belongs to the Roman Catholic church,and calls the pope the head of the church (which vatican one considers a indispensable doctrine) . The foregoing quotations prove that all so called "ecumenism" efforts are ridiculous to anyone who takes the official teachings of the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches seriously. Of course, many Catholics and Orthodox believers are ignorant of their own churches official dogmas, hence the ecumenism efforts!
More could be said, but overall, great job!!
Also, many Orthodox Christians, seeking to avoid harshness of the synodikon, particularly the Sigilion section (which is the one I quoted) will cite a 2011 paper that purportedly shows that the Sigilion is a forgery.
Joshua Schooping, a former orthodox priest, who is now a reformed pastor, addressed this spurious argument in his book labeled "Disillusioned: why I left the eastern orthodox priesthood and church, 2nd edition" saying:
"Following upon the foregoing discussion of the ritual anathemas called to be pronounced annually on all non-Eastern Orthodox Christians, the question of the Sigillion of 1583's authenticity, especially with its anathemas, involves a few key details which, if glossed over, will lead to an erroneous conclusion regarding the canonicity of its contents. A helpful study of this was done in 2011, entitled, "The 'Sigillion' of 1583 Against 'the Calendar Innovation of the Latins': Myth or Reality?" This 2011 study contains many valuable details that help to establish the question of the authenticity of the anathemas. Regarding the occasion of the study, the bishop, Cyprian of Oreoi, who wrote this oft-cited study that purportedly showed the Sigillion was a "forgery," was part of a "non-canonical" Orthodox group called "the Holy Synod in Resistance." This group dissolved in 2014 when it joined another independent Orthodox group called "the Genuine Orthodox Church of Greece" (which also has an American branch), none of which are part of what is sometimes referred to as "world Orthodoxy," i.e. your typical Greek Orthodox, Antiochian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox (including ROCOR), OCA, etc. parishes.
The context of his study regards the disputed use of a certain calendar for the purposes of properly establishing days of worship. There are basically three calendars in question: (1) the original Julian Calendar (the canonical one), (2) the Gregorian Calendar (the condemned one), and (3) the Revised Julian Calendar (which was an open question to him at the time of his writing). His study amounted to show that a certain monk, Iakovos, in 1858, essentially synthesized the material from several existing canonical texts from synods dating from 1583, 1587, 1593, and 1616 (a span of 33 years), which he confirms are in themselves all authentic, but which were synthesized by Iakovos together into a form that came to be known as "the Sigillion of 1583." This text has been widely accepted throughout the Orthodox world, not only in Greece and in the Rudder (Pedalion), but also was (according to the bishop's study) published in the official periodical of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad (ROCA) in 1924 (after the fateful events of the Bolshevik Revolution). The original Tomos (official Church decision and declaration) of 1583 is apparently lost, but apparently that date served for Iakovos as the canonical starting point for the conciliar decisions and anathemas which are stated in the follow-up synodal, canonical documents, although a joint Epistle from Patriarchs Jeremiah II of Constantinople (who famously corresponded with the Lutherans) and Sylvester of Alexandria apparently survived from the original 1583 Synod.
The main body of the text of "the Sigillion of 1583" comes from 1616, where the anathemas are all explicitly given (and nowhere called into question). It appears the seventh, more general, anathema of 1616 is amplified by earlier material from 1593 in order to give the sense of the general anathema in the total context given by the prior official documents going all the way back to 1583. This 1616 text confirms the instruction to "read this Tomos frequently in Church," which serves as the ground for including the anathemas in the present-day Synodikon, making their inclusion authentic even if the date of 1583 is ultimately symbolic. The 1593 anathema against the Gregorian calendar was later confirmed, together with the other anathemas of 1616, by Dositheus, who was the great figure of the Synod of Jerusalem in 1672. The purpose of the bishop's study of all of this was to show that there needs to be a Pan-Orthodox Council to settle the matter of the Revised Julian Calendar, not the Gregorian Calendar, the Gregorian Calendar being clearly and unambiguously condemned and anathematized. Again, it must be stressed that the contents of the study did not call into question the anathema against the users of the Gregorian Calendar, which he affirms is an authentic anathema. And given the fact that his "Holy Synod in Resistance" dissolved and entered into the Julian Calendar group, it seems he sided against the position of his own study and so closed the question of the Revised Julian Calendar.
I might add that a Pan-Orthodox Council is a practical impossibility, which is an enormous problem in and of itself for the Eastern Orthodox. In conclusion, the so-called "Sigillion of 1583" has a convoluted provenance, but is certainly authentic according to Eastern Orthodox canonical realities, even if the contents (including the signatures) are a collation and synthesis of multiple authentic documents and declarations spanning from 1583 to 1616.
In short, the anathemas are not mythical. All of the anathemas are present at some place in these documents (largely from the 1616 document). None of them were truly called into any question by Bishop Cyprian's study (the contents of the Seventh Anathema against the Gregorian calendar being a synthesis of the final general anathema of 1616 together with the substance of the anathema from 1593 confirmed by Dositheus in chapter 11 of his Dodecabiblos), even though the 1583 date ends up being symbolic in nature.
Thus, rather than accusing Iakovos of "forgery," it is apparent from the bishop's own study that Iakovos acted with integrity to carefully collate and re-present the authentic canonical position of the Eastern Orthodox Church, incorporating and summing up into the 1616 document what was spread across several synods spanning a 33 year period and multiple documents dating from 1583. He thus took the official tomoi and authentic anathemas of this period and gave them together as a single, unified document in 1858. In short, despite the convoluted provenance of the final version, the Sigillion of 1583 as found in the Synodikon is no myth, but stands as the authentic communication of the Eastern Orthodox position and of the anathemas that are incorporated into the Synodikon read on the First Sunday of Lent, the Sunday of Orthodoxy"
Schooping elsewhere states :
"Are the anathemas from 1583 legitimate? Yes, and one can find verification of this in a major Eastern Orthodox compilation of canons entitled, "The Rudder" (Pedalion), where it is discussed in several places, pg 13 being notable. Here is a quotation from that page (note especially the second paragraph): "In the Ecclesiastical History of Philaretos Bapheides, Metropolitan of Didymoteichos, we read the following (Vol. iii, p. 124-5): 'When towards the end of the sixteenth century Gregory Xlll with the help of the Calabrian astronomer Louis Lily reformed the Julian calendar and introduced what was thus called the Gregorian calendar on the 5th day of October, 1582, counting the 5th day of October as the 15 h, he desired to have the other churches accept it. Inasmuch as the Protestants refused at first to accept it, he sent an embassy to Jeremiah II with gifts, entreating him to approve acceptance of the correction.
In view of the difficulties involved in applying the correction in practice, he rejected the Pope's proposal, and in common with Silvester of Alexandria he issued in 1583 a letter in which, by reference to the instructions contained in the four ordinances of the Nicene Council concerning the feast of Easter, he pointed out the defects of the Gregorian calendar. This letter was written in consequence of the Council held in Constantinople in that year, which principally condemned the Gregorian calendar.' (See in addition Dositheus, volume on Love, p. 538; M. Gedeon, Canonical Qidmances, I, p. 34: Hypsilantis, p. Ill: Heineccius, 111, p. 180; and Sathas, in the above.) "In accordance, therefore, with these testimonies and many others concerning the aforementioned Council and its ordinances, a letter, or bull (sigillon), on the part of the attending patriarchs and other prelates, was issued. by which bull the new calendar of Pope Gregory of Rome was condemned.
The foregoing sigillion (bull). issued after a conciliar conference ill the year 1583, and dated the same year, i.e., 1583 of 12 years of indiction, November 20th, and bearing the signatures of the patriarchs and other prelates already referred to, appears in the MS Codex No. 772 of the Sacred Monastery of St. Panteleemon (of the Holy Mountain, or Mt. Athos) In this sigillion. besides other things, there is contained an anathama of Orthodoxy against the "Papal calendar" and the new paschalion i.e., Easter reckoner). This sigillion is also found together with the anathema in it in the MS Codex No. 285 of the cell named "The Akathistos Hymn" of the Sacred Hermitage of Kafsokalyvia of the Holy Mountain (Mt. Athos).
This sigillion was sent to all Orthodox churches by Patriarch Jeremiah." The pages following (pgs 13-15) contain the text of the anathemas. It is sad people cast doubt on this. And if one seeks to escape it, they are going against a document that was signed by the heads of the churches (Russia by inclusion) and confirmed by all of them in council. That document is therefore binding on all of these churches to this day. No one has overturned it (or will)."
I understand. The statement was, "Not all Eastern Orthodox call down God's curse on Protestants IN THEIR WORSHIP SERVICES. . ." 🙂
@@ancientpathstv I hear you. I just wanted to stress to your audience that those orthodox churches who do not ritually pronounce anathema's against protestants in their churches , fail to do so against the authority of their mother church, something many do not know. Your initial comment left room for an interpretation that would imply the cursing of Protestants is optional, and not formally commanded/believed , (as opposed to the 2nd nicene creed which you mentioned immediately after) which it is. Many proselytizing Orthodox adherents conceal such practices from unwitting Protestants. Great work again!
@@jeremybamgbade I know. . . thanks for the kind comments. 🙂
What a terrific dose of Christian history. Thank you for this wonderful documentary.
Thank you!
Your videos are extremely edifying, I’ve watched both Eastern Orthodox videos dozens of times due to a friend’s conversion. It maybe a lot to ask, but is it possible to list sources where you found much of this information. Unfortunately google searches have not yielded any pictures of the documents shown in this video and source material would be an extremely useful tool. Thank you and God bless 🙏
Thank you for the kind note. Most of the citations should be noted on the screen. If there are particular ones you need, send me the time stamp, and I'll send you what I have.
@@ancientpathstvSo if I’m more specific, I’m wondering where you found such great photos of the documents shown at 13:49, 14:37, 15:45, 21:13, 28:53, and 35:32.
I also would like the reference to the part at 14:47. I tried my best to spell out the name you spoke but I just can’t seem to find the Metropolitan, or any work that speaks about the comparison of the 2 signatures.
Thank you so much for your speedy reply!
@@Frankjp555 The Metropolitan's name was Philaretos Vapheides. The cover of his book is shown in the video. The scans of the manuscripts mostly come from requests to the Bodleian Library (especially Lucaris' signed presentation copy of the confession for King James I), the Geneva Library (Lucaris' correspondence, signed confession, and Konopius' letter), and the Archives of the Congregatio de Propaganda Fide at the Vatican (the Kontaris material). The signature from the monastery was online. I've scanned Georg Hofmann's work on Lucaris, which includes a number of early photos of manuscripts, including Lucaris' letter to the pope. I hope to soon post it on www.archive.org.
I fear "Google" for serious research is getting worse over time.
Far to many physical libraries are closing. As for books being scanned online, they can be altered or lost, you get the idea.
Our information age comes with a leash. God Bless
Make Lucaris Great Again!
Wow I was unaware of the comments from the second century fathers regarding substitutionary atonement. EO makes it seem Calvin came up with this in the 1500s, very disingenuous.
And seeing them chant an anathema in a service seems petty. Does not Jesus command us to bless our enemies, not curse them?
What surprised me the most in this video was the cooperation between Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. I thought that before the 20th century they would both consider each other hellbound.
Thanks for the video. Years ago (I was living in Mainland China and unable to go to find a church) and I was trying to figure out which religion was correct and later which branch of Christianity was correct. I watched a lot of tradcath and sedevacantist material and I was extremely nervous that I would go to hell if i didn't join them or the Eastern Orthodox. I believe that God used your videos to show me the truth. I eventually was converted returned to America and was baptized in a Presbyterian Church. Keep on making these videos, they're some of the best Christian videos out there!
Thank you!
The arguments between diplomats included theology, but that was hardly their motivation. The 17th-19th centuries are sometimes called "the Latin Captivity" when it comes to Orthodox education.
@OrthodoxChristianTheology What was the Orthodox view of Roman Catholicism during the Middle Ages? Since you seem like someone who would know.
@@Taipei_103 There was a growing tension as Rome was making grander and grander claims for itself. The Roman Empire fell in the West, and after centuries of chaos, Rome eventually declared the German "Holy Roman Empire" its legitimate successor. That didn't go over so well with the Eastern part of the Empire that did fall until 1458. The differences in language (Latin vs. Greek) and other factors all led up to the Great Schism in 1054.
@@Taipei_103 depends on who you ask. Some saw them just as schismatics and not heretics, perhaps filioque excluded.
The argument of every EO ever. "But oral evidence man!" . You mean that stuff that we have absolutly no way to prove? Great.
@NathanielJ.Franco Yeah I know! It's almost like they are all possesed of the same obviously evil spirit or something right! Great point you bring up! See this is what happens when you trust oobvious demonic powers that whisper in your ear instead of the Holy word of God ya know? ( I bet you thought you were making a great point lol). We all know all those churches were infiltrated by the demonic secret societies like the Jesuits, free masons, etc etc etc It's all run by Saturn Cube cultists now ie: Key of Solomon Lucier (Sumash) worhsipers.
All protestants literally rely on scriptures the were Canonizes by the EO Church based on oral tradition... Well except for the books of the Bible that the reformers did not agree with. Clown world.
I would like to hear your thoughts on the following topics-
1. Fundamentalist Christianity
2. Crossdressing Saints
3. Science and Faith
4. Did Christianity really spread through sword
5. Judaizers in contemporary Christianity
We address almost all these in our other videos on this channel. For Fundamentalism, check out The Church Impotent: The History and Theology of Dispensationalism. For science, check out The Atheist Illusion. For Judaizers, check out An Earnest Plea to Seventh-day Adventists. For Christianity and the sword, check out An Earnest Plea to Roman Catholics and The Failure of Eastern Orthodoxy. Though it doesn't directly address cross-dressing, you'll find An Earnest Plea to Gay Christians deals with related issues.
@@ancientpathstv Thanks for the reply
I would still like to hear your thoughts on the Crossdressing Saints our Church venerates
Also, I would like to apologize for the impetuous comment on your video on Orthodoxy, I should have watched your other videos
@@TheUniversalPrincess God calls crossdressing, like homosexuality, an abomination (Deuteronomy 22:5).
@@ancientpathstvI would like to see a whole video on the controversial Saints Orthodox and Catholic Church venerates such as Constantine who himself was a heretic
Here is the insanity of protestants on full display.
I love this content! You have a peaceful voice and wonderful ability to speak in a documentary context that is so enjoyable and high quality. This was well put together with citations and editing! What a pleasure!
I grew up in Ortodoxy and I found GOD in BIBLICAL THEOLOGY
Orthodoxy IS biblical theology.
It certainly isn't. Just another form of anti intellectualism mixed with weird mystic practices. @@MrWesford
@@BrianRich1689so when God told Abraham he's going to have a son did he started trying to understand how no he accepted what was revealed to him
@@mrcoyote7027 yeah, because God told him what would happen. Not sure how that applies at all to my comment.
@@BrianRich1689 protestantism and roman catholicism relies on the understanding of men to know God Orthodox rely on the revelation of God gave us to know him
Yes I am in absolute agreement. Thank you so much for this information! I know it did not come easy putting this together. Thank you again
Where is the false information?@RomanianOrthodoxCrusader
This was really interesting. I've met some Greek Calvinists near the city of Katerini. Apparently, the Protestant Churches were assigned to that area after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. I bet those churches trace their roots back to Cyril's work.
Wow. If only Lucaris had been able to continue with a reform. Just the thought of a reformed church in the east is amazing. God bless. Great video.
The Orthodox think their hymns are infallible? LOL! I'm not saying I think they're all damned, not whatsoever, but its really hysterical that they unironically hold liturgical hymns to the same level as the Nicene Creed.
Hymns and creeds are all the work of councils, that claim the same guidance of the Holy Spirit as the Apostles' Council in Acts 15. Lord willing, we'll be dealing with this more in an upcoming video on the filioque.
Its sad how EO condemns even Reformed Orthodox Christians and from my experiences have embraced a double standard for the sake of adhereing to the tradition of condemning all prots.
I view them as brothers in Christ. But i also do not hold back on bringing the smoke when it comes to defending the faith
What is "Reformed Orthodox Christians" other than an oxymoron?
Former Greek Orthodox here…… thank you for this! How can a church claim to have authority to condemn someone to hell for believing scripture above traditions of men is scary and cult-like. Grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone! Amen
There seems to be a lot of feigned pride and assuredness, which is masking serious insecurities with many EO. I mean, scenes like that which the beginning of this video shows are just bizarre, scary, and laughable all at once.
Stuff like that.. "disagree with us?!! To Hell forever!!" 1. Is the most distinctly unChristian behavior ever, 2. It's an obvious control mechanism. I once thought catholicism was way off. My mind has changed in that regard, they are clearly much closer to reality in many ways .
Are orthodox christians who venerate icons committing the sin of idolatry?
@@user-gv9my3jy4bWe could all hold a Council to fix this all God bless 🙏🗝️🗝️ Everyone is arguing most Prostestants disagree with each other, there's Schism inside the Eastern Orthodox & I'm Catholic Im traditional there is Traditional Conservative Catholic, Eastern Orthodox & Oriental Orthodox & Prostestants & the liberals ruin the Church. 🙏🕊️🗝️🗝️ God bless.
Isnt believing "SCRIPTURE ONLY" a tradition of men as well?
@@user-le1tk9kh2w No it’s not. 2 Timothy 3:16, Acts 17:11, 1 Corinthians 4:6, Mark 7:6-9. Read those verses and understand that scripture alone is all you can trust. Also when Jesus rebuked people He referred to scripture saying “haven’t you read”? Sounds like Jesus wanted us to trust His word!
From a former EO, I say thank you for your work sir! Please continue making more!
It saddens me that you would abandon Christ.
@@MrWesford Does it actually? Or was that just a piously veiled way of being triumphalistic by asserting those outside the church don’t actually have Christ? If I were you I would be asking myself the question: Will this comment accusing this stranger of abandoning Christ do more harm and push him further away from the church, or will it bring him closer? Seriously, if you believe Orthodoxy to be the only true church and the place where salvation can be found then do you honestly think your quick one-liner accusing me of leaving Jesus is helpful? God have mercy on you for such careless words, as you’ll have to give an account for each one spoken. I say this with as much honesty and care for you as I can, you don’t get to make that judgment, my guy. In fact, it’s the type of rash judgment and condescending assumptions you just made that started making me question Orthodoxy. In general, orthobros are very cult-like in heir behavior in terms of the way they speak to those outside their “club”. It’s very bizarre. I wonder if your bishop would be cool with you going around online or IRL and pestering former EO and non-EO members? Something tells me that if you aren’t willing to subject your online habits to him then perhaps you should cease engaging in them, or at the very least change your approach.
This video is fantastic and much needed. Thank you for making it. We need this research and history in book form! Where can we get it???
Thank you The best book is Protestant Patriarch by George Hadjiantoniou. It has a few errors, but is overall very good. There are copies on www.archive.org. Also Georg Hofmann's 1929 book on Lucaris is very good in terms of transcribed original sources. It's in German and hard to find. I'm hoping to soon upload a copy to www.archive.org.
@@ancientpathstvWe need a modern English version of that book!
Whats the song in the first few seconds?
Dramatic strings
Hello, sir, what would you recommend for a seeker looking to live out the commands of Christ in the US. For instance, when Christ says to us, "So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple", what does that look like? My priest says he really does not mean this but I think he does. For me, I was going to be homeless as I had no idea what to do, but then I realized I could not be discipled. I seek to be discipled. I am tired of living what feels like a Luke warm life. I feel like a fool lost in a sea of many people saying different things. All I know is that on judgement day, I want to have repented and followed my Lord's commands. I am a tremendous sinner seeking forgiveness after living my own way for so long. Thank you very much for taking your time!
Where are you located?
@@ancientpathstv Charlotte, North Carolina
@@user-bb6lw9eg9e Reach out to Cliff Blair, the pastor at Redeemer Presbyterian Church. 704-841-9411
@@ancientpathstv Thank you very much!
Thank you for doing stuff on EO, please continue doing more on it, its very scarce in the realm of Apologetics.
Thank you!
Wow they really say that stuff about Protestants in their church service 😳…👀😬
Most Eastern Orthodox churches in America don't do it publicly, but it's prescribed.
Do most protestant churches have a rainbow flag at the door? Do you worship before or after the rock concert?
Thank you for making videos like this! GODbless!
Thank you!
Is This is the first new documentary in many years produced by Jason and his church as I thought he stopped doing these in 2015?
The television show ended in 2015. That's when we started making documentaries.
The Anathema is funny sounds like a cult
The first Anathema Service is from a romanian orthodox church (I'm romanian myself).
the Romanian orthodox church falls under the umbrella of eastern orthodoxy my friend. It is a autocephalous eastern church that is in full communion with the other Eastern churches. Your comment therefore, implies a distinction without a meaningful difference. (if you were making a theological point that is)
@@jeremybamgbade I know that, sir. It was not a theological distinction, only ethnical.
There's also moments of false condemned writers like Theodore of Mopsuestia and even Nestorius
Very good video and source for the errors of EO. I'd like to ask-who does the voice acting for the reading of quotes? Is it people from your church?
Thanks! It's a mix of volunteers and folks I hire from Fiverr.
Why doesn't your boy here go debate these points only makes lame monologue videos?
EO is so cringe.
@RandomOccurrences I agree that there are things that can be useful that we could entertain from them. But I was speaking generally. If they didn't lie and cover stuff up, same for the RCC, I'd be more gracious towards them. They're too loose with that Anathema word for me to consider them nice people who are just in error.
@RandomOccurrences I can somewhat see that. I have American friends, however, that share the same sentiments. One of whom I've made a group for which is an archive of frowning saints who are disappointed in him, as a joke to get under my friends skin.
James white sent me
James is a dear brother. I've been blessed to work with him for over 25 years.
Palamists will always jump and go great lengths to deny that Saint Cyril Lucaris converted to the Reformed faith. They at one time accept it and curse him and his conversion and at another time, they deny that he was ever Reformed, but that he always stayed a Palamist. Great video, from a Lutheran.
Thank you!
Good job calling Palamista and not Orthodox/Eastern Orthodox. We as protestants need to start referring the the ecclesiastical congregations with more neutral names.
Catholics/Roman Catholics > Papalism, Papists
Eastern Orthodox > Palamism, Palamists
Oriental Orthdox > Miaphysitism, Miaphysites
Love this!
Thank you!
Thanks for putting out videos like these! They're both helpful and informative.
Thank you!
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16
Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.
-Acts 3:19
Please go to a PCA Presbyterian or OPC Presbyterian church, or maybe a Rpcna/Rpc Presbyterian church
If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church.
If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland, they are Presbyterian
If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England
:)
Do you plan making any videos on the Assyrian Church Of the East? Also, great video, my brother.
Thank you! I make these in my spare time, in between pastoring two congregations and a mission work, so I probably won't get around to the Assyrian church. I'm trying to finish a video on baptism, and Rabbi Tovia Singer is high on my list to lay bare his lies. 🙂
@@ancientpathstv Looking forward to this video on Tovia Singer! May the Lord bless you and help you.
@@ancientpathstv You should Show a video on the Gnostic Gospels how they are Heretical, a lot of these Modernist on CZcams are Converting Christians to Gnosticism. God bless I'm interested in the Tovia Singer Video. I'm Catholic & I love Jesus Christ & We all need Jesus. God bless I know a lot of ex Eastern Orthodox that leave & some people go into dispare because they get Confused I pray for Christ to protect Us all. 🙏🕊️🗝️🗝️
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16
Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.
-Acts 3:19
Please go to a PCA Presbyterian or OPC Presbyterian church, or maybe a Rpcna/Rpc Presbyterian church
If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church.
If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland, they are Presbyterian
If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England
:)
Amazing video. Have you got any comments about his Marian homilies? U think he would have come around to the Calvinist conception eventually?
do you even have a source for the Akathist hymn that mentions Sylvester. Because I cannot for the life of me find any source for that.
orthodoxchristianakathists.wordpress.com/2022/03/31/constantine-helen-innocent-kherson-augustine-john-russian-luke-crimea-john-sihla-philotheos-john-suceava-zoticus-atallus-camisius-philip-boniface-germany/
So Here is my Issue. I own the Supplicatory canon and Akathist from St. George Monastery. It does not once mention Sylvester or Leprosy. It only mentions him being baptized in Rome. The Akathist as listed on the Saints Constantine and Helen website again only mentions Rome. The Russian Akathist has zero mentions of Sylvester as well. You do Have two Serbian and Romanian which contain the line.
I did some research of my own the only reference online to a Greek original containing the stuff about Sylvester is full-of-grace-and-truth.blogspot.com/2019/05/akathist-to-sts-constantine-and-helen.html - an armature translator blogger. he lifted this "greek" text from a page which is discussing history which links to another blog that has the hymn in some word document, the word document links to a blog that does not exist anymore. None of this is in any way reliable. The bare fact that some Serbians and Romanian's sing this Akathist does not mean its accepted by the wholeness of the Orthodox Church.
In Fact when you go to actual liturgical books used in Russia, Greece, America, etc. The Hymn mentioning Sylvester is not in any of them. Meaning they don't recognize it. For a hymn to carry any kind of Dogmatic weight it must be universal, have been believed and held by the fathers (i.e. have antiquity), and have Consent of All. If these things are not true then it has not been received and is not dogma even though some Romanians and Serbians sing it.
Funny enough on the original blog there is even a comment which states this line is false and should not be there the commentor asserts that modern hymns published by Romanians contain historical and theological errors because they aren't checked. that same commenter repeats the correct history as an orthodox Christian. Likewise the St. George published Akathist which does not contain a reference to Sylvester itself at the end contains a history of Constantine which places him as being baptized in Nicomedia. even the blog you posted does not repeat the false history. Even the Orthodox Wiki recognizes the illegitimacy of the donation of Constantine: The OCA, GOARCH, AOCANA (I.e. Antioch) websites all have different Akathist Hymns on their websites from this one that mentions Sylvester plus they do not make mention of the false history. If the church taught this you would find it here and you don't. On top of all of that I did something you have failed to do and looked at the official Liturgical books used in the church (i.e., The Menaion, The Divine Liturgy Service Book, the Troparia and Kondakia, the official Chant Stand for GOARCH) and guess what not a single line of the false history is sung or spoken of in the official service books for the church across the world.
This means that this is not a official teaching of the church. It does not have Universality, nor is it of antiquity as the church fathers you quote demonstrate, and it certainly does not have the consent of All as seen through the officially published liturgical books of the church.
So then your claim that the Orthodox Church teaches this false history is suspect. Originating from blogs and not any either historical documentation or officially published Orthodox Material. I Would Hope you would re-study this issue in more detail then you did before and make necessary changes once you do.
I understand being against orthodoxy and feeling strongly about that. But it is un-christen too, once you know something is not true, continue to perpetuate it. and this is demonstrably not true.
Even the official hymns that mention Rome create no issues because Constantinople was seen as new Rome for many centuries. In many ancient text Rome refereed to Constantinople and all the area that Constantinople ruled over which would include Nicomedia. Which would mean Rome here could be said to refer not to Rome as in the false history version but as tin Constantinople and all areas ruled by it which includes where he was baptized.
Either way all the other hymns you read mentioning Sylvester are in no way accepted by the universal Orthodox Church to this day. Nor are they sung. A couple of churches in Romanian and Serbia singing a false hymn causes no issues as the universal church has rejected it. So to give a true critique these things need to be addressed.
I think you should do more research and then once you've spent enough time on it repost the video with this section either removed or updated and containing only correct representations of your opponents not strawmen. I don't think you intended strawmen here i think you thought you had ligament sources and were presenting facts. You were mistaken.
@@ancientpathstv
The story about Sylvester is quoted in Nicea 2 (p. 49-50 in Mendham's translation) so it is an acceptable part of Orthodox hagiographic tradition, even if it is not strictly accurate from an historical vantage point.@@biblicalexegete6460
@@ancientpathstv Hey Ancient Paths, do you have a link showing anything on council of jassy anathematazing protestants? i cant find anything on this council. thanks brother keep up the good work.
@@JohnQTaxpayer. It starts on Page 91. Remember, Jassy was declared of "universal authority," like the ecumenical councils by the Pan-Orthodox Council in 2016.
archive.org/details/actsdecreesofsyn00orth/page/90/mode/2up
Thank you for your hard work! Sorry if I missed it, but where did you get the source that the Ecumenical Patriarch Canonized Lucaris?
orthodoxtimes.com/the-patriarchate-of-alexandria-honored-st-cyril-lucaris/
@@ancientpathstvthanks!
Such well researched and presented information will, with God's help, reach many people.
God Bless all in these fine presentations.
Thank you!
Hey just a question - it seems ur saying that 1672 exonerates Cyril Lucaris, yet if u read the full Acts of the council, his name is in the anathemas. How exactly can we speak to his being exonerated?
I showed the pages from the Acts of the Council. They said the Eastern Church never recognized him as a Calvinist.
thank you brother
Thank you!
James White sent me to watch.
Soli Deo Gloria
Press on…
Thank you! I've been privileged to work with James for 25+ years.
Yes, mee too. I was watching "Let’s Make Cyril Lucaris Great Again!" and figured I would come over here to watch this one first.
Fascinating, good work brother.
Thank you!
Roman Catholic here. Deeply interesting content, thank you
Thanks! Please be sure to also watch The Failure of Eastern Orthodoxy. czcams.com/video/3AplWYXFiCA/video.html
You might also enjoy this. czcams.com/video/utIAnY5I8CU/video.html
God bless you brother I'm Catholic also did you Ever check out Michael lofton from Reason & Theology? Good stuff to. 🙏🗝️🗝️🕊️🕯️
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16
Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.
-Acts 3:19
Please go to a PCA Presbyterian or OPC Presbyterian church, or maybe a Rpcna/Rpc Presbyterian church
If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church.
If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland, they are Presbyterian
If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England
:)
@RomanianOrthodoxCrusader Jesus said the truth will set you free.
@RomanianOrthodoxCrusaderWhat's your point all you EO most don't hold to your Doctrine! Toll Houses are Dogmatic in your Eastern Church, but what's your point? I remember Christ giving the keys to Simon Peter CEPHEUS & then the other Apostles he talked to but Especially Prays for Simon Peter the Apostle that was a Fisherman in Luke 22:22) 🗝️🗝️ Deus Vult 🙏🙏🕯️🕯EO's most don't act like you do Uncharitable & ignorant ️
Sir thanks for this video. I am ex catholic monk but considered EO for a small while, I am hoping to become a member of the RPCOI.
I hope my family will come to faith, my family obviously from Ireland and living here were raised Roman catholic (ZERO teaching though)
How can I witness to them? God saves in covenants right? I know it's his sovereign will but I hope my family will come to faith in Jesus.
I have hope as I was atheist and club goer in my youth also. My mam has very gentle faith in just Jesus but no theologh and doesn't go to mass (thank God)
Anyway thanks again
Thank you! You might also enjoy this. czcams.com/video/utIAnY5I8CU/video.html
So informative. Great work’
Thank you!
NEW VIDEO LETS GO!!!
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16
Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.
-Acts 3:19
Please go to a PCA Presbyterian or OPC Presbyterian church, or maybe a Rpcna/Rpc Presbyterian church
If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church.
If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland, they are Presbyterian
If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England
:)
I've never heard any evangelical or Protestant pastors anathematize the Orthodox or Catholics.
They know they are not the Church but spurious self-deceiving individuals whose opinion does not matter and have no basis for issuing anathemas as their doctrines are valid within the circumference of their own heads only. Outside of their heads, they have no value.
Well, i mean, that's cause Scripture already condemns them. We don't anathematize anyone. They do because they believe they have the power to
Incredible work, keep it up!
Thank you!
As an Orthodox Christian, this video is well-researched.
Thank you! Please also watch the one to which it refers. czcams.com/video/3AplWYXFiCA/video.html
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16
Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.
-Acts 3:19
Please go to a PCA Presbyterian or OPC Presbyterian church, or maybe a Rpcna/Rpc Presbyterian church
If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church.
If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland, they are Presbyterian
If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England
:)
I’m glad we’re talking about this. I myself was saved and now walk with Christ. I came out of Greek Orthodoxy and have been searching for the truth. All I can stand on is God’s word. Traditions can’t be trusted because man is sinful. I’m not saying all traditions are bad but we can’t blindly follow but verify with scripture. God’s word never changes and never returns void. If we try to add any self righteous work to our salvation it offends our Lord because we’re saying that Christ’s death on the cross was not enough to save us. Jesus’ last words were “it is finished” or paid in full meaning you owe nothing. It’s all been paid for! The gospel is simple but as we walk with Christ we will face persecution and hatred. The world will hate what Jesus said in His scriptures. They hate that we must repent of our sins that we once cherished. The world hates it because they are blinded to the truth.
Ya nobody believes you to be Orthodox Christian.
This is great. Thank you.
Thank you!
I use Orthodox vídeos for learning English, thank you
Where do you find all these Greek Cypriots to read the dialogue of Church Fathers ??? 😂😂😂😂
Thanks for your work. We need more like this.
Thank you!
did EO teaching gnocstic? am i wrong?
You're not wrong.
@@ancientpathstv we're not gnostics XD. pathetic ad hom.
SMH, how do you not have way more subscribers?
People don’t like to hear the truth
this is why I say that the church of Christ, is not a physical institution, for itt is corruptible as men run it. for the only church that is without a mark is the one that all members of Christ are part of. Of course, I’m speaking on a spiritual church. The Holy Spirit of which, makes you a member.
Heresy and schism are both wrong. There's a tension between visible and invisible church, but it was the visible one to which Jesus pointed in Matthew 18. If someone refuses to hear that church, Christians are called to treat them as heathen and tax collectors. That being said, Eastern Orthodoxy has no legitimate claim to being that church.
The Spirit of Jezebel inside Empress Irene convoked the heretical and false Council of Second Nicea.
We deal with it here. czcams.com/video/3AplWYXFiCA/video.html
Love this video. Thank you for your thorough research and for exposing the lies of this false religion, Eastern Orthodoxy.
Wow, the quote on the screen at 20:45 is really amazing
This confession, an eighteen point summary of Cyril's beliefs originally written in Latin, was published in Geneva in 1629. It immediately aroused fierce opposition among other Orthodox leaders since it challenged some of the basic tenets of Eastern religious practice. A Synod of Eastern Orthodox Churches was called in Jerusalem in 1672 to refute the position of Cyril. Orthodox leaders contended that the Confession of Cyril was a forgery perpetrated by Calvinists to spread their influence among Eastern churches. They presented quotations from known writings of Cyril to show that he had not held the positions expressed in the Confession. In addition, they argued that the Confession was not an official pronouncement by an Orthodox Patriarch
@RandomOccurrences The Synod of Jerusalem of 1672 soundly rejected any further attempts at reformulation of Orthodox teachings and strengthened Orthodox beliefs against both the Protestant Reformation and Catholicism. The Synod produced its own confession, the Confession of Dositheus (Patriarch of Jerusalem), in which it refuted Cyril's eighteen points, as well as adding four catechetical style questions.
instead of relying on the video's understanding i will instead rely on what the Holy Spirit revealed to us
All of this is addressed in the video. The 1672 Council is demonstrated to have been lying.
There will be a friendly response to this. :)
I will add:
1. Lukaris likely used simony to become Patriarch of Constantinople. The political subterfuge of playing diplomats of this or that nation against each other was common at this time. (And yes, this is bad, it is an example of corruption. Sadly something that every large Christian denomination has dealt with.) He was not some sort of exception to his era.
2. The take on the baptism of Constantine, something I covered in my earlier video, lacks the nuance that Orthodox are quite self-aware of historical inaccuracies in hagiographies. To pose it, as it is done here as a purposeful cover up of "real" history, to me is needless and dare I say honestly uncharitable. He is one such translator's note:
Trans. Note: One might find highly implausible a beardless monk dwelling in a monastery for so long a period of time unquestioned. But perhaps eunuch-castrates were still common at this time, and as such losing also the capacity to grow beards. The matter of cross-dressing in men’s monastic attire is a literary gendre occuring also in the lives of other women saints, usually only for the purposes of concealment and for but a short time. But as the “Redaction” account introducing the Russian original of our text indicates, the Saint-Lives reflect a broad spectrum of historical sources compiled with differing intended purposes, often other than the “modern” penchant for strict recording of historical facts. Which is to say, the account may have been embellished to in entertaining edify both the common man and woman, as well as the sophisticated. Certainly many a Saint-Vita contains an account of a virtually unhurtable and well-nigh unkillable martyr, - so that one is left to wonder that the persecution of Christians by the pagans of old, who in the torturing sometimes themselves dropped down dead, - should have taken so very long, to end. But beneathe any of these embellishments is an actual historical person, who witnessed to Christ our Lord. And to write the miraculous off as mere fable, - is foolish. The spiritual task herein is one of discernment between embellishment and fact. © 1996-2001 by translator Fr. S. Janos.
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1. "yes this is bad"
No, it is more than just "bad", it is extremely problematic. One of the chief arguments that the Orthodox use against Protestants is the concept of Apostolic succession, and you all urge this point because for you, the apostolic succession of the bishops , serves as a safeguard against doctrinal perversion. Examples like these prove why the entire notion of apostolic succession, or rather, the logic that undergirds EO's stance on apostolic succession, is ultimately specious, if not asinine. If it is even ***theoretically*** possible for the bishops to assume leadership by buying their way into their roles, then it is quite obvious and goes without saying that Apostolic succession does not ***ispo facto*** give us the epistemic guarantee of doctrinal truth that you would dogmatically have us believe.
I hope the tone of this doesn't come across as "unfriendly," but Lucaris has been declared a saint by two patriarchs, and your defense is to try to paint him as guilty of simony?
The point of the video is that a council of "universal authority" said he was never known by the Orthodox as a Calvinist. That was a lie. Dositheus could try to hedge the council's claims by saying he personally thought him a "secret heretic," but that was also a lie, if he did any investigation. We have signed statements from both his successors and 19 other clergy directly accusing him of being a Calvinist during his lifetime, and Kontaris plotting his murder because of it.
As to Constantine, "hagiography" is too convenient an excuse for fake histories. Constantine died an Arian, having exiled Athanasius and other defenders of Nicaea, yet your church declares him a "saint" and "equal to the apostles." You may think it "uncharitable" to call this a lie, but I have no more charitable term for it.
@@jeremybamgbade Honestly, Apostolic succession is less about epistemology and more about the sacraments - a sense of being in (eucharistic) communion with the early church. I understand many EO argue for Apostolic Succession wrt epistemology; However, this only ought to be the appeal made with reference to the College of bishops behind a plenary ecumenical council. Individual clergy can be heretical and a Patriarch can be heretical. I'm Anglican though, so maybe an EO can exposit their position some more.
We can discuss this more at length so that a charitable tone is clearer, but to be clear:
1. Lukaris was emboriled in a very political game, as we discussed. He wasn't solely the innocent victim of others machinations. He was himself playing the same game and got out-maneuvered. It is part of the regrettable history of that era.
2. The council's history is not strictly accurate, sort of like the film's presentation of the hagiographic genre of literature. That does not make the council worthless as a dogmatic source of evidence anymore than it makes the film a poor source of historical evidence. The council took an official stance that Lukaris was not an "officiall" Calvinist per se in his capacity as Patriarch. This is true. His private convictions appear to be Calvinist, but as others pointed out, he was careful with his language to sound sympathetic but not actually condemn Orthodox doctrines in some respects. For example, as we discussed, he expressed skepticism of icons, but not of the *crucifix* which he admitted to venerating. Hence, his whole dalliance with Calvinism was an obvious diplomatic posturing, something which we discussed.
3. As for Constantine, and I myself and a translator quoted above have written, the point of hagiography is not to be literal history. It's more like moral/dogmatic mythology. So, to take one genre of literature and hold it to the standard of another honestly makes no sense. Should I take the story of the hare and the turtle, expose the race never occurred, and discard with the lesson of the story? Hagiography is not quite that made up, but the genre takes real characters, real events, and embellishes details to make some sort of point about orthopraxy or orthodoxy. That's the genre. I've explained this in detail in my response to your former film. I think a dialogue on the question of Orthodox genres may be more productive.
You have put together a strong film, from both a production and polemical standpoint. My critique is very exacting and specific, all things i have discussed with you beforehand. I still have not seen a good response and I think a discussion would be good because I feel we are speaking past each other.@@ancientpathstv
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In another place you said you want arguments, so lets see if arguments are any useful.
If Cyril Lucaris was indeed a calvinist, the Church clearly anathemize him (calvinism is anathema)
If Cyril Lucaris was indeed wrongly convicted of being a calvinist, then he is a martyr (same point calvinism is anathema)
Modern day enemies of God aka the ecumenists canonized Cyril Lucaris with the excuse that he wasn't a calvinist but a martyr, (again same point - calvinism is anathema) so they can later on bait and switch and say that he was indeed a calvinist and we need "union of all denominations". But they will fail, because the faithful already know who the enemies of God are, just like the Church knew her enemies back in the day of the arians, the nestorians, the monophisytes, and the legion of heretics, secterians and cults.
The mind of the Church seems to be the same throughout all points - calvinism is anathema.
Eastern Orthodox declare their unity proves them to be true, but then declare each other "enemies of God." You can't have it both ways.
If you actually watched the video, you'd see that it's not just a problem with the Patriarchs of Alexandria and Constantinople. The Pan-Orthodox Council declared the Council of Jerusalem of "universal authority," yet we document how it was based on lies.
Instead of blustering, how about actually engaging the evidence?
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I like blustering. Walk into an orthodox church and look at the walls, you will notice all angels are armed with weapons, then you realize this is because you can't argue with devils. You are looking for contradictions when there is a good explanation, trying to create a tension when there is non.
The Pan-Orthodox Council was a robber council. Its goal was to make use double tongue (like a snake) in order to pull the Church towards ecumenism. Bishops were forced to sign, cases of single sellout bishop singing on behalf of many, political pressure being applied, the usual robber council crap.
Council of Jerusalem was a true council but simply mentioning someone may* have been accused falsely is not the same as vindicating calvinism, what you are missing is that calvinism is universally condemned by the mind of the Church throughout all ages. Where do you see contradiction ? You want to create tension when there is non.
Is the letter from st Jerome authentic
It's not a letter, but one of his most famous works, The Chronicon.
@@ancientpathstv is the particular one u have shown authentic?
@@ancientpathstv oh yes also could u do a video on the Eucharist and the church fathers in detail Roman Catholics point out on how the church fathers believed that the bread becomes the body even though the same fathers deny that its physical
@@Joshua12w2o I'm working on one dealing with Luther. He ignored Athanasius, Augustine, and others who said the presence wasn't physical.
@@Joshua12w2o It came directly from a monastery at Mt. Athos, so I assume it's genuine.
A responsible historian, even a Protestant one, understands the Orthodox church has never had a one who speaks for all, and that being an Orthodox saint is not a stand-in for theological infallibility. The plain fact is, the Protestant Patriarch’s theology was never accepted by the Orthodox faithful. It is possible he has saint status as someone who was persecuted and killed by religious rivals, which could be viewed as martyrdom.
A responsible critic actually engages their opponent's arguments. A council that has since been declared of "universal authority" by the Pan-Orthodox Council, said Lucaris was "never known by the Eastern Church as the heretics aver." That is a demonstrable lie. We documented they recognized him as a Calvinist and conspired to murder him because of it. Please stop playing games.
@@ancientpathstvThis is exactly the kind of dodging the Orthodox do historically and ecclesiologically that no longer held anymore weight for me and made me reconsider my stance as an Orthodox christian. “If a Protestant or Catholic points out logical inconsistencies then just move the goal posts and ignore the facts of the case being brought against us!”
@@IAMFISH92 You left out accusations of "quote-mining," "cherry-picking," and having 40,000 denominations (Orthodox make up 580 on that list, and Roman Catholics make up 370). 🙂
@@ancientpathstv Forgive me. I should’ve tried to be more accurate instead of “cherry picking” common attributes of Orthodox counter apologetics.
@@IAMFISH92 They seem to all fall back on the same "playbook" don't they? 🙂
This confession touted by protestsnts was completely refuted in the synod of Jerusalem in 1672. None of these "written confessions" by Cyril were ever documented in any of his works.
The works of the man's life show his theology does not alighn with what the calvinist believed. Which is why the Orthodox or True teaching so quickly refuted the lies. In Gids work there is no darkness! Nor is God the god of confusion. Neither Calvin's teachings nor these supposed "secret" confessions of Cyril are in light nor do they create peace, grace, or understanding.
You will know them by their fruits.
I see you didn't bother to watch the video. The Council of Jerusalem has been demonstrated to be a lie, with scans of numerous original documents. Lucaris autographed copies of his confession, that even Eastern Orthodox admit is his signature. On numerous occasions, he stated, in writing, that he wrote it, and even his enemies all admitted it. He was tried and convicted, in absentia, by Rome as a Calvinist, during his lifetime. A petition was made from Cyril Kontaris and 19 other clergy to Rome, seeking funds to bribe the Turks to remove him. Contrary to the later claims of Jerusalem, they stated he was a Calvinist. The Council of Jerusalem was attributed with "universal authority" by the Pan-Orthodox Council in 2016, and are supposed to be just as much led by the Holy Spirit as ecumenical ones. We've proven Dositheus and the council were liars, just like your church.
@@ancientpathstvwhy do the signatures look different from the other
@@Joshua12w2o Lucaris signed his name in Greek and Latin forms. One of the comparisons shown is him signing in Greek as patriarch of Alexandria and the other as patriarch of Constantinople. They were made years apart, but other than the location, even Vapheides admitted their from the same hand.
@@ancientpathstv
That may be. However the Orthodox church does not rest on any one man. As I am not a theologian and even speaking of these things on the internet is questionable to Orthodox I will lightly and gently say, the patristic teachings were not what Calvin taught.
The heresy of Calvinism has been and continues to be rejected by the one Holy Apostolic church that Christ Himself set up.
The new teachings from Luther, Zwingly, And Calvin (and other Protestants) some 1500 years after the church was established and building is simply not the patristic faith once for all handed down to the saints. It is a new teaching made up by men.
Not understanding the traditional teachings from the Apostles to the patristic fathers has led to a view of scripture that is reductionist and legalist.
May the Lord guide you out of pride and into His Holy Spirit of truth.
May the Lord have mercy upon His Holy and Apostolic Catholic Church which He purchased with His blood. That He promised he would preserve it until He returns, though the gates of hell rage against it it would remain unconquerable forever. That the Lord would heal the schisms of the churches and quench the ragings of the heathen, that He would speedily root out and undoo all the growths of heresies and bring them to naught by the power of His Holy Spirit.
In Jesus name,
Amen.
@@naturesorder7106 You ignore all the evidence, keep repeating discredited lies, and then clothe it with piety. You'd make a great Mormon.
He isnt accepted by The Russian Church as a saint though only Alexandria and Constantinople
The video doesn't say otherwise.
@RomanianOrthodoxCrusader We documented our claims. You just offer name-calling.
Transcripts to the vids would be good.
Automatically generated ones are available in the comment section.
@@ancientpathstv There looks like a lot of typos and editing that needs to be done in this auto generated transcript but thanks anyway.
@@stevie6621 Sorry, I don't have time to create transcripts. I make these in my spare time while pastoring two churches and a mission work.
Wonderful to hear an anathema against the Protestants including Henry VIII. Lucaris was condemned explicitly by 3 Councils, and doesn't anyway represent the Patristic Symphony (aka consensus) of the Church, which is what counts. If it's a forgery, this doesn't alter this.
From the sermons it is clear that Lucaris didn't always have this Calvinist, heretical view.
The consensus of the Church can take a while to emerge. But it always does, in the end.
The True Church is now the True Orthodox Church because all member churches of the World Council of Churches and those directly or indirectly in communion with them fall under the 1983 Anathema Against Ecumenism by the Synod of the fully Canonical Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia (ROCOR) under the Omophorion of its First Hierarch and Metropolitan St. Philaret of New York meeting at their monastery in Masonville, the Eastern Townships, Québec, Canada. He died in 1985 and his body was discovered to be incorrupt in 2001.
All those whom you identify as living "Eastern Orthodox" who deny Lucaris's journey into Calvinism (the real question is: was Lucaris fully repentant from Calvinism and all other heresies at the time of his death), fall under this anathema. It's typical of these to make false histories and saints. And not to recognise true saints such as Metropolitan Philaret, whom they have consistently rejected and persecuted and murdered. This, in fact, proves that they are another subset of heretical Eastern Protestantism, to go with their fellow Protestant heretics the Romanist Papal Protestants (since the 1054 Great East-West Schism) and the Reformed Protestants (since Martin Luther and others failed to take their protest against papal indulgences, on which point they were correct, to its proper conclusion, to join what had come to be called by then, the Holy Catholic and Orthodox Church and which is now, in its full title, to distinguish those who have fallen away, from the modernist 1917 revolutions onwards, known as the True Orthodox Church).
All the anathemas against the Protestants remain valid. Valid written AND oral tradition are both correct.
As the Scriptures themselves state, it is the Church itself which is the pillar and ground of the Truth, not Scripture. And Holy Tradition is to be followed whether by Word or Epistle.
For True Orthodoxy, the only place you will find the one and only true church, outside of which there's no salvation, go to True Orthodox sites such as NFTU (Voices from the Underground) and www.trueorthodox.eu.
Incidentally one of your sources, Father John Whiteford can be easily found online discussing the ROCOR-True Orthodox Schism (completed in 2007-8) with True Orthodox priest Father Suaidan (now under a True Orthodox Church of Greece Synod).
It should be noted that there has been constant splintering and then re-unification in the Truth throughout Church History via Synods, as is very well illustrated in Acts by the story of the Council of Jerusalem which took place at the time and which decided in conjunction and conformity with the Holy Spirit that few of the Jewish Old Testament dietary laws now applied. However one that still did and still does apply is the prohibition on eating the blood of animals [into which their souls dissolve]. The devil, Satan, Lucifer, has sowed dissent since he led the rebellion of 1/3 of the Angels from heaven before the creation of man. This action of him and his followers will only end with the Final Judgment.
Until then, as Holy Tradition including the written tradition of the Scriptures informs us "there will be heresy in every generation".
As Hieromartyr St. Mark of Vsevolod said, quoting Scripture, the heavenly church "is without spot or wrinkle", but the earthly Church, consisting of fallen human beings, well that's another matter.
Protestant heretics of all descriptions reject this when they eat blood puddings such as black pudding, thus showing themselves to be pseudo-Christians and servants of the devil who refuse to obey Holy Tradition, both written and unwritten including the Bible which they claim to follow.
We must pray, as True Orthodox Christians, that "if it is not a sin to do so, for your repentance and salvation."
With love in Christ.
It never ceases to amaze me how "Eastern Orthodox" proclaim their unity proves their truth, but then anathematize one another as servants of the devil. As said in The Failure of Eastern Orthodoxy, it's whatever you want to make it - - from David Bentley Hart's universalism to your "one, true church," from Lazar Puholo and Elpidophorous championing homosexuality to those others claiming only Orthodoxy can combat it.
It's also funny how everyone seems to claim an incorrupt saint proves the validity of their group. I've seen the relics of "incorrupt" saints, and they look just as corrupt as ordinary corpses to those who aren't invested in the narrative.
You misunderstood Irenaeus. He didn't say the Scriptures are the pillar and ground of the truth (that would be contrary to Paul), but of our faith (paraphrasing Paul).
As demonstrated in our videos, the issues aren't just with Eastern Orthodox who lie about Lucaris and Constantine, but the whole system. We hope to have a new video out shortly that will demonstrate that when you anathematize the filioque, you're not just anathematizing Augustine, Ambrose, and Jerome (as Photios admitted), but Athanasius, Cyril, and a host of others as well. Eastern Orthodox want to confuse Protestants with cultists and apostates, but real Protestants stand with the apostles and the church fathers against Rome and the East. We back our claims up with the Scriptures and the testimonies of the early church, not fake miracles.
“With love”? 😂😂😂 all the venom you spewed like a true asp from the pit and you conclude with “with love” 😂😂😂🤢🤮
I like the voice acting.
In Eastern Orthodoxy all historical patriarchates have at some point become schismatic.
Antioch Alexandria and Jerusalem in Ephesus II
Rome 1058
Constantinople in the Short Union of Florence
Ruthenian (Ukraine/Russia) with the Uniate.
If the Orthodox Church is true why do all of their patriarchs fall into error so often?
For Catholics it's ok if the Greek Patriarch was a Calvinist or if the Coptic Patriarch a monophysist because those see have no promise of infallibility. Only Rome, when speaking ex-cathedra.
Elvira did not prohibit the veneration of Icons, it prohibited painting them directly on walls because they could be vandalized. This is in light of the other canons.
Amaziong content, very edifying.
Thank you!
The history was fascinating. The take, classic protestant apologetics. My questions would be, to which of the hundreds of different denominations with their own "traditions" of claiming they understand Scripture do you belong? As one of my relatives tartly put it, Protestants just replace one pope with a thousand. In the end the fractured world of Protestantism is proof that the Orthodox suspicion of everyone reading Scripture willy nilly is fundamentally correct. It does lead to disaster. We all know what Scripture says, but what does it mean? For that I trust the Church and her interpretations of tradition as the Church existed before Scripture was ever written down, and in fact it was the Church that codified Scripture.
We address your objections here: czcams.com/video/3AplWYXFiCA/video.html
As a Roman Catholic, decent video.😂😂
We've also dealt with Rome's lies. czcams.com/video/utIAnY5I8CU/video.html
@@ancientpathstvi already watched it sometime ago it were statements I heard many times wasn’t something new for me to be honest. I’m gonna watch the video today another time. Even though we disagree, I respect the amount of time you put in these videos.
@@RomanCatholicVaticano Thanks for the respect. I haven't gotten a lot of that from others who disagree. You might also be interested in seeing The Failure of Eastern Orthodoxy we made. czcams.com/video/3AplWYXFiCA/video.html
@@ancientpathstv thanks, I’m gonna watch it.
@@ancientpathstvDo you Hold Calvin as Orally right though? What about TULIP & different camps of Calvinists? Just a question. God bless 🙏🗝️🗝️🕊️
32:17 "And what thy call Calvinism is simply tradition understood in the light of the church. Rather by oral tradition that keeps changing"
The fact that Calvinism breaks into various branches with differing theology kinda goes again that assertion.
No, it demonstrates human sinfulness. How do you explain heretics and apostates in the apostolic church, if unity is the standard of truth?
You're testing "Calvinism" by a standard that also condemns Eastern Orthodoxy and Rome. Russians accuse Patriarch Bartholomew of being a CIA asset, while non-Russians accuse Patriarch Kirill of being a KGB agent. Rome has "unity" in recognizing the Pope as the head of the church, but those who believe previous popes spoke for God are being scandalized by the current pope saying the exact opposite is from God.
@@ancientpathstv Unity is the standard of truth. Because one of the four marks of the Church is "one." Christ also prayed that "they may be one."
How is it that you think unity is not the standard of truth?
The true Church is one. Not two, not four, not 6,538, not half, not a third, not a quarter, not 0.546.
The breakaway individuals or groups doesn't make the one true Church. They are cut off.
@@namapalsu2364 Did you see The Failure of Eastern Orthodoxy on this channel? Your church isn't one. Russians call Elpidophorus a heretic and Bartholomew a CIA asset. Greeks complain that I quoted Patriarch Kirill, because they say he is a heretic and Putin's pawn.
Truth does bring unity for God's people, but also division with the ungodly. Was Athanasius a schismatic when he stood against several church councils and the bishop of Rome? The church excommunicated him. By your standard, should he have recognized that unity is the standard of truth and repented? The church ultimately admitted its error and declared him a saint.
Jesus said, "Woe unto you when all men speak well of you, for so did their fathers of the false prophets." How about actually engaging the content of the video?
@@ancientpathstv divisions between patriarchs mean nothing re: claims of unity, you know this, its' not a good argument.
@@TheMhouk2 You miss the point. A council of "universal authority" lied. A man declared an Orthodox saint was a self-described "Calvinist," killed by the Orthodox.
Orthodoxy is our ancestral faith, some Anglos’ opinions will not move us. We can sleep well at night, we don’t want to convert the Anglos. To each his own.
Paganism was your ancestral faith. Your forefathers abandoned it for Christ, but like Israel of old, later generations lapsed back into paganism, with an orthodox mask. God has spoken - - ignore Him at your own peril.
@@diegobarragan4904 No, the Biblical Prophets and Apostles speak for God, and they contradict the Eastern Orthodox and Catholics, who claim they speak for God.
@@diegobarragan4904 Did you watch the video? No, it's according to the plain meaning, as understood not only by us, but the early church, as well.
@@diegobarragan4904 You argue like a Mormon. You can ignore the evidence and love your lies, but God will judge us all.
This is one of the reasons I left Eastern Orthodoxy. You are like many Orthodox believers who are not only bigots but you have No concern for the lost! You are most likely dead in your sins because you are trusting in the false gospel of the Orthodox Church. The Orthodox Church can’t save you. You must turn to Christ for your salvation alone and be born again!
Cheeky, cheeky orthodox
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“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16
Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.
-Acts 3:19
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I haven't watched, but man have I been excited for this!
What ever Saint Cyril wrote has no authority in the Holy Orthodox Church as he has not the first with out Equal his writings where they conflict with church teaching are not accepted as is the case of Saint Augustine of Hippo so please stop trying to make a issue of what the coffee grounds in the cup say 😂😂😂😂☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️
Just as with Rome, whatever the apostles, church fathers, and ecumenical councils wrote has no authority to Eastern Orthodox - - unless the church today chooses to recognize it.
If Pope Francis wants to bless homosexual couples, Roman Catholics insist that's what the church has always taught. When Archbishop Elpidophorous baptized the child of a homosexual couple, he said, "This novel and truly incredible criterion that some use, namely that we must discriminate against people based on their sexual life, is not Orthodoxy, it doesn't even count as a humane attitude. We can’t elevate sexual behavior and someone’s love life as the sole criterion either to accept or reject them. These are unprecedented things and I would say that in Greece, they are a result of an imported Western Puritanism." Your "orthodox faith" is a "wax nose" that you get to make into whatever you want it to be and sneer at those who try to remind you of the historic and biblical faith.
Your church anathematizes me for refusing to venerate an icon. Catholic scholar Richard Price admits, ". . .the iconoclast claim that reverence towards images did not go back to the golden age of the fathers [i.e., 325-451], still less to the apostles, would be judged by impartial historians today to be simply correct."
You're a liar who loves your lies and loves the church that confirms you in what you want to believe. I stand with the apostles and the church fathers against your lies. God will judge us all, and those who love lies end up in the lake of fire.
@@ancientpathstv I am so sorry that there are today people like you that feel threatened by the ( One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church ☦️) if you feel terrible about the fact that we call Anathema to Prots and Roman CC and it hurts you when you hear it it is God that is telling you you are wrong as I laugh 🤣 when the Prots and RCC tell me i am going to Hell as i am perfectly secure in my faith in my Lord and his Great and Holy church as to the RCC to Orthodox they are the First Protestants as the protested against the Creed of the Holy Church ! And prots we they are the illegitimate child of a bastard RCC and are as Sick and rotten to the core, but we pray for all of you in every liturgy and we judge you not as who are we to judge another’s servants ! As to the rest of your squealing i feel sorry for you !! Ps all prots In their teaching from the beginning of the prot sect have called us the false church so don’t cry that the favor is returned!!! Love of Jesus Christ and his Most Blessed Mother Theotokos be with you Amin ☦️☦️☦️