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#Chevy #Corvette #C4 - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I still own and drive my ‘88 C4 coupe. It is a fantastic car. I’ve also had a ‘94 C4 convertible with the LT1 and it was a great car. Zero leaks. Great seats, bulletproof drivetrains and readily available parts and huge aftermarket products. My current C5 ‘99 convertible is a fantastic car. Don’t knock the C4 and C5 until you’ve owned one. Great bang for the buck American sports cars.
People give the C4 undeserved crap without realizing how good they actually are. Sold my C6 because it just wasn't as fun as the C4
I sold my 87 C-4 convertible, after 25 years and 165000 miles Great car. YES I have sellers remorse/regret !
I have a 92 and love it but this one was priced way too high. It's crazy that they didn't even bother fixing little things like the floppy rear view mirror (one screw/5 seconds) or cover for the emergency brake. Obviously people are going to question whether other problems exist if they ignore tiny things like that.
@@CorridorCulprit I have a 92 but haven't driven Corvettes other than C4s so I'm curious why you think it's more fun than a C6.
@@JosephHowes2003 don't get me wrong, the C6 isn't a bad car whatsoever, a great entry level corvette since they're so reliable. But it's boring. Like amazingly boring. The inside is the cheapest looking out of any corvette and there's just nothing going on in there. It doesn't make you happy to be in the car. The driving experience isn't anything special either. I personally just got more out of driving a C4. And looks are subjective, but to me the C6 is the worst aging out of any vette. Like you can tell it was made right before the financial crisis. If you're thinking of getting a corvette thats LS powered, go with C5Z06 instead. I miss mine a lot, but they're getting harder to find a good bargain price.
I worked for a company that supported the GM plants in the late 80's. I can tell you that GM had no idea how to get the convertible top NOT to leak. They even purchased a Mazda Miata so the engineers could see how it was manufactured and constructed. Crazy times.
Did they later on LS swap the Miata?
Hehe.
Figure’s
_Actually when GM decided to turn the C4(which was originally designed as a coupe only) into a convertible it went to ASC for the design(and they would go on to perfect it)._
Interesting how GM got a Miata to see how to manufacture a convertible when the vert C4 came out in 86 but the miata didn't come along till 89.
@@CorvZ061 _great point._
1991 may seem like yesterday, but this is an over 30 year old car that looks clean in and out, seems straight, and runs strong. And these guys pick it apart like chopped liver. Imagine in 1991 buying a 1960 Corvette this original and clean.
truth
I think their issue is that this car in particular is in not a great example. I think it's a fair assessment that the dealership is asking a 10/10 price for a 6/10 car.
FYI functional damage on a Carfax means it was involved in a wreck but didn't need to be towed. This is usually a good thing and means that the wreck was fairly minor.
Yeah minor accidents really aren’t a big deal in my opinion. They happen and if the owner cared about the car, they reported it and got it fixed correctly.
It may not be that these dealers haven't figured it out, the problem for them is that the vast majority of used car dealers are doing everything with borrowed money. And now they're looking at selling cars for less than they purchase them. Bankruptcy
Johnny Carson drove the C4 as a daily driver.
I'm glad (and hopeful) the market is getting back to "normal". But at the same time, I watch TFL reviews of trucks costing 80K and you're all giddy and happy.
I’m in the market for a super duty but I’m going to wait. I really like the 7.3 but USED, those are selling for $50k-ish….it’s insane
I'm with you on that. The recent madness with prices had me worried about never being able to get a C4. I live in the Caribbean, so my costs are way higher. Buying a tired older, cheaper car wouldn't make sense for me. I'd have to get a middle of the road driver. I'm so happy prices are getting sane again.
I believe this is the only time I've actually enjoyed car shopping 😁, thanks for carrying us along.
I’d rather by a Vette from the northeast since most people put them away for the winter. In the southern states they tend to drive them year round.
Out of all the cars my wife and I have owned and experienced, our 1996 CE LT4 Corvette was our favorite car. Ours was a clean example, with ownership history, Z51 Suspension and Dual Tops. We loved that Corvette but it always needed maintenance and there is nobody good to work on them so you better be a decent mechanic. Still we miss that car. We had it when we lived in California from 2014-2018. We sold it after our son was born.
I like this series. I like the dynamic of Roman and Kase.
Red on Red with the L98 and Automatic is a great Combo For the Street and Antique Tags Too !
My "old" dad (76) drives a manual WRX. So there are a couple manual driving older people out there!
Unfortunately, there are a lot of rough C4 Corvettes. They deserve better, they’re nice cars.
My old C4 was one of the best cars i ever had, totally reliable.
I got a very rough 1988 C4 Z52 4+3 for 3k. It’s quite the transformation I’ve put it through. It’s a nice sight to see.
This young guy is so switched on. Impressed!
Kase is correct about Florida drivers! 😂😂. We need to see more of Kase👍👍
Unless you drive a car IN the salt water, OR live ON the beach there’s NO issues with “salt air” in Florida
Buy a CLK cabriolet instead.
Not impressed with this review
Stud to Dud starring Kase & Roman 😆
@@WW-wf8tu You are correct sir!
I have seen several c4 start at 15k and end up selling around 10k at dealers. I got mine for 8k, a lot of fun for the money. Just make sure everything is in working order. If you get a cheap 3-6kish range calculate how much to fix it up. You might as well spend 8-10k and get one that is sorted. I hated the c4 when it first came out, now I love them.
these guys picking apart the vette. they dont know these cars, dont know the history of these cars and called it a forgotten car of its time? WHAT? it dominated during its years. smfh
dont forget about the best C4 ever, the king of the hill ZR1
Problem is a few $hundred into a Gen.1 SBC 350 will give more power... and then the LSx engines quickly had more power...
And the Callaway twin turbos too.
C4 is my favorite of the corvettes…. Obviously not the best of the breed but still my favorite.
Same but I like 80s models more.
That upside down "16 they used for '91. Huge red flag!
Yeah the car is definitely gotta be junk because they didn’t have the right decal! Smh
The low fuel level is a dealer trick to keep your test drive Short…walk away…
True that!
No its totally NOT a trick!!! I’ve worked in this business for over a decade, and I can tell you with 100% confidence that the car is low on fuel because everyone is too lazy to go get gas and Generally speaking people who trade cars in tend to leave the gas tanks empty!
I work for the same dealer group. We usually fill everything to full. Someone was just lazy.
I was just looking at Trans Am WS6’s, they have gone THROUGH THE ROOF. $60k and over
"This is a car that has not been loved". Next up: convertible tug of war. :)
no joke within the past 2 months ive seen 2 of these atlas brand new on the back of a tow truck
I hope you guys are correct about the market. I'm looking to possibly get something next year, but at the current costs, I'm sticking with my current paid off car.
They are correct look up more videos about the car bubble popping. The amount of repos and the fact the auctions are over flowing. Most dealers have already started dropping prices a lot
They're not 100% correct. Just enthusiast cars are dropping because summer is over.
All cars are dropping, nothing to do with the season. The auctions are over flowing. Based on your previous comments I’d bet you’re a car salesman. All of you’re comments are bs trying to justify overpaying. Suck it up boy the markets correcting itself. Btw I can’t wait till ford kills off all the dealers and the shitty sales team has to start selling solar 👌😂
@@tylerstewart2474 maybe in your area, but in the Chicago/ Milwaukee markets its still going hard for every day vehicles
@@CorridorCulprit no haha maybe at you’re crappy dealership. All of the auctions nation wide are over flowing including Chicago which has a huge one. Repos are over 2.3 million cars repoed so far just in 2022 which all also end up at the auctions.
You can get a great c5 for 15k. Much better car with LS1 engine. Might even find a c6 for not too much more than that. C5 is 345hp and C6 is 400hp in the standard models.
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Anything prior to the LS years (original carb small block excluded) really is a crap shoot in my opinion. Like you stated, the C5 is a much better and reliable car, for not much more money. I learned the hard way after being hard headed and insisting on getting a disastrous pointed noise 1997 4th Gen Camaro with the horrible LT1, instead of the catfish 98-2002 LS1 models, which I later got.
That dealership is notorious for poor pricing, it's almost like a "buy here pay here" lot. Nonetheless great video, keep up the work fellas !
you can find well maintained SN97 Mustangs for way less then 15k or if you want to go 80's then white convertible fox bodys were iconic and are still less then 15k for a good one!
What you guys should have done. is put it up on the lift in the shop, so you can walk under the car with a
flash lite and look around, that will tell ya what the cars REALLY like, up close !
I agree, these guys are painful to watch, I bought a new 94, no problems, now a C5 conv, great cars.
No one wants to admit it, but the C4 is way past its lowest point. You use to be able to find a great one for around 5k, now you can't touch them for under 10k and even that is pushing it for a good one that still has some issues.
A few younger youtubers found out they're better cheap small cars than miatas, and it helped ruin the market for them.
People want to give the C4 crap, but there's a reason why they made Porsche quit the SCCA.
If you can find a really good one for a good price, pick it up because it will be worth it.
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91 is the best C4 year. It has the updated interior and exterior and still has the L98 engine. The later LT1’s have that lousy Optispark. I’d like to meet the guy who designed that junk.
95 and 96 C4 use an improved vented optispark which is far less problematic.
I drive a 88 C4 all the time. I have 4 vehicles and I drive this about equal to all of them. Does Leak in rain. So I don’t use it in the rain but I don’t remember the last time I put the targa top on. Motor is strong, some buttons don’t work. Body is super clean. We must remember it’s old as hell
The used market is coming down but the new market still has really long wait times for new inventory, so I don’t think new prices are coming down any time soon.
I am a Miata owner here and watching the procedure to put the top down just made me laugh 🤣 all it takes to put the Miata top down is an stop light and I still have spare time to chose a good song lol
You are driving a miata you must be a pussy lol
It would have gone smoother if they had a clue what they were doing.
1990’s Mustang GT convertible for the American car. Peak Fox Body and a timeless look with an easy to use power top. If you can find one less than $30 grand. They’re shooting up in popularity as a modern classic.
Up here in ny you can pick up a 6 speed coupe c4 for 5-8k all day long. There’s probably 10 on my local Craig’s right now.
I drive a 6 speed 93 and I am 77. 10k is spit for that roadster.
The best thing about this car is that it’s has a manual/stick shift.
Never had issues with my C4 vettes whether early or later. The only thing were the creaks and door panels which was easy to fix with aftermarket items. 350 is one of the most iconic and reliable engines of all time. I don't know how C4's were lost and forgotten of the generation. They dominated that generation. Got kicked out of the escort series for dominating ( going 29-0 vs Porsche 944 turbos) to where they had to create the corvette challenge . The cost in fixing up and early or later C4 is inexpensiveeeeee. ANY car that old you are going to need to refresh and update some things and i would rather update and refresh a C4 vette than a boxer, a rotary motor or other so called sports cars from that generation. Regardless the car , knowing all that information why did you buy it? btw, air bags deploy at 10 mph which is reallllly slow. Best thing are the lights? You don't know vettes or bias against them or something. You pick it apart and its 30+ years old. You then get info of the issues with it (which it could have been a Mazda) yet you still decide to buy it? "looks clean" cant go by it being clean. What's that sound? camera directly showing the A/C condenser is on and turning. seriouslllllyyyy basic knowledge of a car and no depth is exactly what im seeing. I watched the other guys channel , i think he has an 88. I held back from writing a book. But hey, we are in the " content" generation right? How about some due diligence where you could press a sequence of numbers on the climate panel and got any check engine codes and checked to see if there were issues (search C4 Corvette Climate Control Codes on CZcams) ummm, the is an ENG/MET button to switch from metric to standard , right under trip odometer and in the frame at 15:37. Come on guys really?????? You immediately start to complain about the emergency brake and have NO IDEA how to use it. Before you complain, many Ferrari's have the same mechanism. Both of you, 2 gallons of gas will display on the dash how many miles you can roughly go. (how does it feel to be picked apart?) You then make a comment about mileage and that generation , the c5 generation and c6 had probably the best mileage of any sports car per rated horsepower. The C4 1990's vettes got 17/25 and many observed 30 while cruising on long trips. THAT is good mileage. Fast forward to a 2002 C5 Z06 with over 100hp more than a C4 and it got better mileage at 19/28. So i guess that is bad for a 405hp sports car? I cant take anymore, " is it in first or second", doesn't it say it on the shifter? How embarrassing. A 3300lb car has "heft" ??? omg.... you had 2 gallons , the light would have been on anyway. The lack of knowledge on corvettes here is astounding. The shifting is easy to put a short throw shifter and it was a solid ZF , german , transmission. Neither of you got on your knees to check out the underneath or asked to put on a lift to see the conditions of the underbody for rust , damage or leaks. WHY going to dealer and not personal party? Corvette sale forums, guys who take care of their cars and selling to upgrade to newer model? Im out, this is just bad.
The high sill in the c4 passenger compartment makes the hydroformed steel chassis in the c5 becomes the one to buy
C5 has a far more developed chassis. C4 still has its charms however.
I think it’s funny you’re talking about ocean sea salt, and all that. But the C4 is fiberglass and has galvanized steel body (which is concealed by the fiberglass) it’s very very hard to find rust on these.
Nothing at all wrong with that parking brake, to activate you push button and pull up, it then drops down 'limp', to deactivate you do the same thing except start from the pulled up position with button. The top is actually easy to work if you know the procedure. Adjusting the metric back to English is just a button on the right side of the gauge cluster.
That said, the age and the amount of owners this one had probably indicates that this one is "rode hard and put up wet" - not even mentioning the accident damage.
The power antenna is an inherent issue with the C4. The "targa" roof cars are simple called coupes.
I bought a brand new 40th Anniversary coupe back in 1993. It was a coup with stick shift. The stupid shifter would go from 1st gear to 3rd gear to "save on gas" per GM. I was not impressed with that car, except for how the hood opens on the C4. I had to use a bypass each time I drove the thing so I could shift through ALL the gears. I owned it about a year then traded it in. That was the last Vette I have owned. A buddy of mine just picked up his new C8 from the dealer after a 2 year wait. But it is awesome. So now I'm thinking about a C8...
On the next No Payment Needed y’all should get old crossovers like the fist gen Honda CRV, Toyota RAV4 or Subaru Forester. I personally had a second GEN Honda CRV that was really good at soft off roading. A lot of people are buying these to be able to go over landing because they can’t afford a true 4 x 4
Informative and interesting video, I really enjoyed!!
Hey! What happened to the follow up video with the Blurple Vette?
Wouldn't pay 5k for that
I would. I'm thinking of buying a similar one if i can get it for 7. Planning on flipping it
When it hits the reserve on the fuel gauge, you have approximately 2 gallons of gas left. Don't knock the gas mileage on Corvettes. They are higher than a lot of cars. I have had four C 4's.
TY for this. They appear to be a bargain per HP. Tempting. But its every old car I have been interested in. 👍👍😎🇺🇸
Good video. I like and find your approach and information exchange very interesting. Thanks
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1991' Classic??..I looked at couple 91' Grand Marquis last week...ones good..the other ones basically a parts car Great video Roman n Kase!!😃
😂😂 love the use of CZcams to figure out the convertible
I love the 91 window sticker (windshield) is an upside down 16. 🤣🤣🤣
I know i am am going to love this series and i do agree that C4 was a pretty not loved one but trying to find a 90's C4 with lower miles for less than 10k is going to take a long ass time. The only C4 Vettes i could find with a price tag of 10k or lower are with over 100k miles private party or otherwise KBB is not the end all be all to Car prices they always trend low for car prices and take forever to update. I wish them good luck on finding C4 Convert. for less than 10k but i dont know how it will happen. Also who goes and looks at a car before checking out the Car fax first. I know you guys want to make videos and stuff but all this showed was what not to do when car shopping.
it was loved. i lived it.
Owned three C4’s for over 18 years. Great cars if one knows about Corvettes. If you need a dealer, better to pass.
@@nikkoalpha2 dont need dealers for C4 corvettes especially C4 generation. Early C4's are a piece of cake. LT1 was a little more involved as well as other aspects of the car. Overall, if someone knows the basics, with all the top youtube how to do channels many can do it themselves and if not, depending where they live, after market places , when researched, can be an option.
What a handsome young man. We will keep watching!!
And case is cute too!.😂
I live in Florida and I've never had a single issue with any of my vehicles rusting. As long as you don't live directly next to the beach and you don't drive in the ocean you shouldn't have issues.
The earliest C4s with manuals would skip from first to 4th hear unless you were accelerating more than 2/3 throttle. All for the fleet average MPG target.
The Doug Nash 4-speeds didn't have skip-shift; the 6-speeds in later C4s did. At least getting rid of skip shift is an easy mod.
Hawaiian Orchard metallic is the Purple you are referring to. That’s what it was called on the 94 Cavalier.
Looks like you went to autonation. When we bought out last vehicle we went to a couple of their locations and all of the vehicles we looked at had lots of prior damage that they fixed. I'm sure they do an okay job fixing them but every single car they showed us at a couple of their stores had very checkered histories. And they charged a bit too high for that. That was just my experience.
Corvettes leaking water isn't a new issue. Not only the convertibles but T-Tops.
Magnificent C4 ! Iconic Reagan Era legend American sportscar, buy one while you still can, they are increasingly picking up value, definitely investment grade.
v. informative...great job.
I WAS going to buy a CTS coupe at dealer once.
The salesman said " that car has been completely gone through and any needed repairs done"
I went out and looked it over. Pull the dip stick, black oil. Nearly bald tires ( was told they passed inspection), interior needed detailing.
Was told in was gone through by mechanic and their detailer.
Didn't buy it of course. But most dealers take trades and never touch them except maybe clean them up for sale.
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Clarion made some nice audiophile grade head units back in the day. That particular unit, unfortunately, is not one of them.
Definitely need audiophile quality in a convertible sports car. No question. Why, the noise floor is only about 90db at highway speeds!
C4 fine. Manual even better. I'd prefer a targa top, not the convertible. This car to me is iffey.
My 88 mazda mx6 gt turbo stick in turbo ticket red, all original equipment, has 145 hp, and a 0 to 60 in 6.7 seconds. That was respectful for the era. I still have it, but parts are rare. I am restoring it when I find parts.
You should have listened to The Car Wizard... This is a car you run from 😁
woooow that's crazy I'm actually going to be getting that C4 they I drove up from Pueblo and I loved her but I do get wa your saying and I definitely am that younger person that's gonna show her the love and the miles. they here able to drop it to about 11 for me
It’s hard to say no sometimes, but there really are better cars at lower prices. I found myself having non-buyers remorse after not buying a couple Z4, then I finally found the right one at the exact same price with everything working that the other ones lacked including the top… It was still a premium but at least I knew I was getting a little bit more than the others, and everything felt solid instead of floppy and Janky, it’s not hard to fix A few rattles, but one that’s been wrecked especially a GM of this era it’s always going to feel floppy and hefty, that’s why I don’t like the Camaros of the late 80s you sit so low but nothing feels tight at all
+1 for the manual transmission.
Looks like a car that was really detailed well recently but has serious red flags. There are a lot of C4s out there and you can definitely do better.
If I was in the market for a classic Vette it would be a ‘67 C2 convertible with a rock crusher four speed manual.
I want of these c4s so bad😂
wow that Vette is clean
15k that should be a mint lt1 version not the L98 even though the L98 is an effortless torque monster
Right call on that Vette. There are enough 90's C4's out there that you can find a much better example without too much trouble. IMO, you should be looking at the 92-96 years, as they got the 300+ hp LT1 engine. Other than the idiotic OptiSpark distributor, it's a stout engine, and revs a lot better than the truck-like TPI V8 in that 91 you tested.
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Good call 👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
I bought a 91 C4 targa in early September, $10500, $70K miles, great condition. From a dealer in Pennsylvania. I don't think it's that hard to find a good one, that's relatively cheap. This one definitely sounds like the price is too high, given it's been in an accident and the high number of owners. Seems like the dealer's hoping that someone without too much clue will be blown away by the look of a red C4 convertible, and will pay up without thinking too much.
The Antenna needs to go to the E.D. Clinic!!! Lol!!! Maybe it’s lack of blood flow!!!!
Illinois, I believe is a state that you can wash a salvaged title. At least it used to be. So watch out before you get a clear titled, salvaged title.
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Torque monster. Own a 1996 CE and it is great just like the previous two C4’s I owned for over 15 years. C4’s with excellent original pedigree, superb patina and caring stewardship with lower mileage are amazing values. But many are not worth buying as they are old. Most need tires, all fluids and filters changed just like any old car. ) $15,000 is too high in my humble opinion. Don’t forget “Agreed Value” insurance.
Illinois winters? Seriously? Because yeah... everybody’s out driving their Corvettes in the winter!
The reason that C4 is reading in metric is because just to the right of the steering wheel there is a series of buttons, one of those buttons reads ENG/MET, press that button and it will switch it to mph and the temp gauge will read in Fahrenheit. That C4 is way overpriced, I am glad you guys passed it up,. 👍
I like this video
Good info to go by
I just bought a Mercedes clk320 cabriolet
It was a cream puff with low miles
It needed top actuators and was expensive to fix
Complete tune up
Now runs fabulously
Watching videos with this content really helps us guys with topless passion
Dealership is only there to make money. They marked that up hoping some kid will roll in and buy it with their parents money.
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Im finding the prices on used car today are just way over what they should be, dealers in the Des Moines Area are charging 10% over blue book
I'm a c4 owner 91 l98 same engine in that one it's a smooth car yes gm cheap interior as usual but the road feel is great I take mines over 100mph alot but I have the different suspension settings in mines it's a great car n don't haft too worry about the later 92 lt motor oti spark problems 😄
I don't want anything that came out of Illinois
I just bought my C4 in great shape, with low miles for 8k.
15 grand for an 8 grand car
But hey, it looks great from 20ft away!
I was hoping for 91-93 mustang conv maybe even a 94-95 with the 5.0
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Lesson here… buyer beware.
Car Dealers are Car Dealers…
Offer them 5k
Pre purchase inspection by Toby as well! Who knows what else is janky besides bad fuel cover door? Suspension, brakes, fuel system, fluid changes?
The car seemed to start and run strong... Also didn't look too bad either. I think the accident history is really what had Roman spooked. While I wouldn't necessarily want to buy a car with an accident on the history either, you really have to consider something. When did the accident happen? When the car was a year old? If that's the case, it likely received the attention it deserved and was repaired (as the owner likely had insurance on it). Also, would have this dealer allowed you to take it to a shop and have it inspected independently? Maybe they would've, and that would have alleviated Roman's hesitancy on the "declined maintenance" aspect of it. Maybe they would've allowed an inspection and it came back OK. At that point, maybe it would've been worth negotiating on, if the dealer was willing to. I think the combo of the accident history and price just made this one a no-go.
Good job guys, I like this series. Looking forward to the next video👍
2 gallons of gas can get 40 - 60 miles of easy driving...
I'm glad you passed on the dealer car. (I hope you didn't go back later to buy it)
No discussion of getting in and out. Most have loose steering columns because people use the steering wheel to pull themselves in and out.;
Why is the 1 upside down on the windshield? That’s kind of weird
2 of my brothers had 84 Corvettes when they first came out. Like most 80s GM cars of the time, they where absolutely held together with bubble gum and prayers. Rattles galore. One of them had to have the hood repainted because it was peeling off. The other spun a main bearing within the first month of ownership.
I looked at a LOT of C-4 Vett's and found most all to have crappy interiors. The plastic dash and cheap vinyl was almost always falling. apart. The 5'[s seamed to be much better. Also GM used that spongy rubber on all the door, hood and trunk seals and most of the time was just falling to dust leading to leaks and rattles.
If you really want to dare to be different, look for a Cadillac Allante. I have heard that they got them pretty dialed in by the end of the production run.
We had a saying at the dealership that I worked at . . . Pininfarina is/was an Italian boat maker and Allante meant "waterleak". Pininfarina was famous for installing screen doors in their submarines . . . . .