I marvel at the power of assimilation of this great country of ours. Two men from South Asian descent highly educated and clearly very smart having a thoughtful conversation on how to fix our country's ills. If you need a proof that immigration is good for this country, everything you saw and heard in this video is. I know that's not directly related to the subject of the discussion which unfortunately shows that we have a lot of problems.
What needs to change is how we fund public schools, if we really are interested in equalizing opportunity. Then, higher education, for profit, colleges and universities need to go.
Yes we need to overhaul our school system’s. Especially our J R. Collages and State College’s. The school systems need to set curriculum that are going to help people get jobs.
According to the Finnish prime minister the American dream is alive and well in Finland. It's also doing very well in Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Germany, The Netherlands, and Ireland.
So children born to well educated parents (wherever they come from) can afford to buy their homes in affluent neighborhoods, where the property taxes are high - their excellent schools depend for their support from property taxes, therefore these children get the best education. That, coupled with having well educated parents, who kn ow how to guide them, of course, fare better in America, and that continues from generation to generation.
Its not about "guidance" its nepotism. 22% of White American men work at the same company at the same time as their fathers. www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/06/nepotism-mobility-same-jobs-fathers/395567/ So if you are rich and white you just inherit your dad's job / position in that company especially if its a union job. There's a severe bias against black boys as the Prof shows. It doesn't matter if you're a rich, well educated black man - you won't get hired due to "fit". "Fit" means playing the game and going with the flow and maintaining the status quo, playing small, being ok with being the butt of the joke etc. The answer is entrepreneurship - you have to start your own business and not depend on finding an HR manager who isn't biased.
This is so, so true. In fact, it's the crux of the problem. In reality, there is no equality of opportunity in America. In fact, I would say that most people might philosophically agree with that concept, but most of their personal policy preferences are totally the opposite. The good schools that you talk about are vital, up to including those well educated parents paying for their kids college education. If you have to pay for college in America, you are screwed.
@@dothedeed You sparked a memory and added context. After 4 interviews for a "fresh out of college" I was told I was not a "Good Fit". I was young and without mentorship, there was no Google, I HONESTLY had nightmares of not being a good fit. I had never encountered the term. I thought it was a HR stamp of authority. I could not understand what it meant. If I was told I din't have experience, or credentials, I could understand that. But to not be a Good Fit was emotionally taxing. I was too young to equate that race may have played a role in those folks wasting my time with a phone interview and 3 in person interviews. They ACTUALLY invited the Black Janitor (who looked uncomfortable) into one of the interview sessions. I experienced this as a good thing. I tried to impress upon him to say a good word for me. I LITERALLY was interviewed by ANY person in the organization who wanted to sit in and ask me questions. It was my first post college experience. I then went about trying to improve my skills at group interviews to which I did not have very many after that experience. In this moment I feel as though I was "something to see" like at a circus. Post college I began to notice there were not very many black folks in positions I held. Basic. Simple Positions. I was a Research Assistant for a University. ALL other black women, no men to be found were secretaries. I was invited to lunch with the secretaries but email address left off of Research Team social invitations. Often asked, "why didn't you come to Happy Hour". It is exhausting being other in America. Perhaps, it is simply exhausting being an American while being free from the American culture of exclusion.
Well reading the comments are terrible too. Many looked passed exactly what the man said about the data and trends that have tracked and trace on social mobility and that race is always a primary factor especially for Black boys. But.... folks is still talking about boot straps. Im 🤬🤬🤬 40 and I still don't know what a boot strap is or how'd you pull yourself up by one! 😆😆😆
Shawnte, the original saying was 'You can't pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.' Since, ya know, you can't grab your own boots and lift yourself off the ground.
Correction to the Professor: Black mobility for Black men and women. The Professor was factually correct when highlighting job/career/income mobility for Black men and women. However, he didn't compare this in terms of *wealth* mobility for both African American (AA) men and women. Neither AA men nor women are closing the White-Black multigenerational wealth gap, which is the true indicator of status equality.
Raj Chetty has outlined predictors of social mobility in his various studies which in order are: 1. Segregation: Less segregated communities are more mobile 2. Income inequality: The size of the middle class of a community is directly proportional to social mobility. 3. Quality of public schools 4. Strength of social networks 5. Family structure: having two parents as opposed to one directly positively correlates. And surprise surprise, there is an overlap of the cries from the left and right. More socially and economically integrated communities who are well educated are better off, and strong ties fostered by family, community and religion also have positive impacts. I am sure most people are intuitively aware of these matters, but yet they fight in the name of partisan politics.
THERE ARE 9 COMMENTS HERE! 🤬🤬🤬 9!!!! This was so informative and depressing. Then I come to the comments to see how people contribute express their views, or question the information... but there's 9 views. Im just so beyond exhausted.
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I got super lucky. I'm from a lower middle class family and had to borrow around $80,000 to get an engineering degree. Luckily I got a good job but I gave up on career goals to make money to pay off the loans. If I had graduated debt free maybe I could have pursued my dream. Now I'd have to borrow more money to get a masters degree if I wanted to change industries to pursue my dream.
@@TheProsaicCult my wife and I are lucky from a financial stand point but aside from the prospect of early retirement we dont get much satisfaction from our job or where we live.
This could be the real reason black doctors make less money than white doctors. A provocative new study of physician pay reveals a seemingly alarming racial disparity that reaches to the very top of medicine: a large salary gap between white male doctors and everyone else. The median annual income of white male doctors between 2010 and 2013 was $253,042, compared with $188,230 for black male doctors, according to the study published in the BMJ. Both groups of men far out-earned female doctors of both races, although the pay gap between white and black women was modest and not statistically significant. The Washington Post Carolyn Y. Johnson June 8, 2016, at 7:00 a.m. EDT
Undergraduate higher education is secondary to the goal of prestige. Kids pay the freight, then are taught by amateurs. They get football and beer. The administrators get what they want.
The number 1 determinant in whether a young person does well in life in the US is whether their parents can pay for their college education. That describes about 20% of America. If their parents can foot those costs, they will do well. If not, they are screwed and will likely live with their heads bobbing up and down, just above the poverty limit.
Theres a reason why its called American Dream .... it only happens when you are asleep ..... for Amazon ..... lets deal with American Reality for the next 50 years and maybe the dream will come true ....... It was Marketing mambo jambo from the start ....
Jo Tracy, Equal in value not in opportunity, but should it be that way ? I say no not to the extent it is. All children should have equal access to health and education. How ever it is not possible to have unlimited growth in a finite world. In the past when there was plenty room to expand one could increase their wealth with out affecting others. That's gone now, the rich expand at to expense of the rest.
Perhaps a Social Safety Net that includes Universal Health Care and a Guaranteed Living Income would have more lasting impact and save America from its current deification of the One Percent.
Free college is the guiding light at the end of the tunnel for the poor families and their kids, if he truly knows the American poor, mostly Caucasians or Africans, or read the memoirs of those success stories who grew up poor. The researcher appears to have serious bias grown out of the Indian cast system which denies opportunities to the poor. The efforts to boost the up-mobile mechanism from the bottom should be continued, because it is also very important, but not as important as the available opportunities that inspire most of the parents to provide emotional and any tangible support to their children regardless of their poor neighborhoods or failing schools and if he knows the children growing up unsatisfied with their realities. If the researcher looks away from the statistics of college drop outs for a moment and looks into the actual life-and-death experience of those college students from poor families ( many are very smart) due to their economic hardships, and if he looks at the foundamental equalizing effect of the free college and university system at China for a half century in the past, regardless of its most difficult college entrance exams in the world, the researcher won't jump into this irresponsible conclusions from his extremely incomprehensive studies which will continue hinder the upward mobility and equality in USA as in India!!!
This scholar appears to have a very narrow horizon and is ignorant of the well-known and existing successful international models, sorry to say, if he is not pressured or paid to produce such garbage research findings.
Why college , college for success! That's the problem, not every individual is a college material regardless of race. Where is the talk about, trades? Leather workers, artisans , art etc that build character, pride that equal to good citizens.
canyonroots Because you are making education a factor of money instead of talent, discipline and hard work. And because higher education in the States is waaay too expensive for what you get. Especially when you realize that the ratio of the costs of the education to the salary that can be earned from gaining that piece of paper has risen outrageously in the past two decades.
People Go to College and get absolutely nothing out of it , Mom and Pop has the Jobs . Not enough Jobs to Go around , so what good is a collage education if you can't find a job . My Daughter went to school for culinary arts . and became a Scholar in the art .Mortgages was to high , Apartment rent was the same as paying a mortgage and they paid no money . The standard of living is higher more expensive Than the pay you earn .And Most of all High taxes .
Hari is so brainwashed with whiteness .... he doesn’t want to accept the data from a person who has done the work. Just listen to his stubbornness as if he doesn’t want to believe the truth. Just sad .... He’s so doubtful and wants to continue to go down the rabbit hole .... very pessimistic....... listen toward the end ...... these are two brown men / one who has done the work and the other one who was raised around whiteness ( Hari ). Thank you professor for your work. Racism is a crime against humanity and everyone with integrity must replace white supremacy with a system of justice ASAP.
I didn't totally agree with what Raj Chatty said about the race between blacks and whites. For example. What he didn't mention is that all black people don't live in black communities and all white people don't live in white communities also. And there are some black males that become rich and don't end up behind bars also. And there are people of all races and genders that end up behind bars depending on what part of the world you live in also. In fact, in some parts of the world. More white people end up behind bars than black people also. I also want to remind you all that some people regardless of their race and gender get sometimes put or end up behind bars for crimes they didn't commit in some parts of this world also.
@@user-zj9kw9lh1i How does one define better? Make more money but less fulfilled? Higher degree of education but less informed? More socially active but far less personal dignity?
@@stephenkenmey861 you can make more money and be fufilled at the same time ; also have a higher degree of education and be more informed ; the last one is a personal problem not every is a one size fits all .
I marvel at the power of assimilation of this great country of ours. Two men from South Asian descent highly educated and clearly very smart having a thoughtful conversation on how to fix our country's ills. If you need a proof that immigration is good for this country, everything you saw and heard in this video is. I know that's not directly related to the subject of the discussion which unfortunately shows that we have a lot of problems.
I wish more people would listen to such real stories and wake up
Pii
This interview needs more views. Especially as we see the gap in opportunity caused by Covid.
What needs to change is how we fund public schools, if we really are interested in equalizing opportunity. Then, higher education, for profit, colleges and universities need to go.
Exactly. That, at least, is the obvious and starting approach to tackling the issue which the majority can agree on.
Yes we need to overhaul our school system’s. Especially our J R. Collages and State College’s. The school systems need to set curriculum that are going to help people get jobs.
According to the Finnish prime minister the American dream is alive and well in Finland. It's also doing very well in Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Germany, The Netherlands, and Ireland.
So children born to well educated parents (wherever they come from) can afford to buy their homes in affluent neighborhoods, where the property taxes are high - their excellent schools depend for their support from property taxes, therefore these children get the best education. That, coupled with having well educated parents, who kn ow how to guide them, of course, fare better in America, and that continues from generation to generation.
Its not about "guidance" its nepotism. 22% of White American men work at the same company at the same time as their fathers. www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/06/nepotism-mobility-same-jobs-fathers/395567/ So if you are rich and white you just inherit your dad's job / position in that company especially if its a union job.
There's a severe bias against black boys as the Prof shows. It doesn't matter if you're a rich, well educated black man - you won't get hired due to "fit". "Fit" means playing the game and going with the flow and maintaining the status quo, playing small, being ok with being the butt of the joke etc. The answer is entrepreneurship - you have to start your own business and not depend on finding an HR manager who isn't biased.
This is so, so true. In fact, it's the crux of the problem. In reality, there is no equality of opportunity in America. In fact, I would say that most people might philosophically agree with that concept, but most of their personal policy preferences are totally the opposite.
The good schools that you talk about are vital, up to including those well educated parents paying for their kids college education. If you have to pay for college in America, you are screwed.
@@dothedeed You sparked a memory and added context. After 4 interviews for a "fresh out of college" I was told I was not a "Good Fit". I was young and without mentorship, there was no Google, I HONESTLY had nightmares of not being a good fit. I had never encountered the term. I thought it was a HR stamp of authority. I could not understand what it meant. If I was told I din't have experience, or credentials, I could understand that. But to not be a Good Fit was emotionally taxing. I was too young to equate that race may have played a role in those folks wasting my time with a phone interview and 3 in person interviews. They ACTUALLY invited the Black Janitor (who looked uncomfortable) into one of the interview sessions. I experienced this as a good thing. I tried to impress upon him to say a good word for me. I LITERALLY was interviewed by ANY person in the organization who wanted to sit in and ask me questions. It was my first post college experience. I then went about trying to improve my skills at group interviews to which I did not have very many after that experience. In this moment I feel as though I was "something to see" like at a circus. Post college I began to notice there were not very many black folks in positions I held. Basic. Simple Positions. I was a Research Assistant for a University. ALL other black women, no men to be found were secretaries. I was invited to lunch with the secretaries but email address left off of Research Team social invitations. Often asked, "why didn't you come to Happy Hour". It is exhausting being other in America. Perhaps, it is simply exhausting being an American while being free from the American culture of exclusion.
men are absolutely needed for a boy's life- without it everything becomes- LORD OF THE FLIES. for all boys.
Well reading the comments are terrible too. Many looked passed exactly what the man said about the data and trends that have tracked and trace on social mobility and that race is always a primary factor especially for Black boys.
But.... folks is still talking about boot straps. Im 🤬🤬🤬 40 and I still don't know what a boot strap is or how'd you pull yourself up by one! 😆😆😆
Shawnte, the original saying was 'You can't pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.' Since, ya know, you can't grab your own boots and lift yourself off the ground.
I agree. The information was very sober and informative, especially in regards to race and social mobility.
Correction to the Professor:
Black mobility for Black men and women.
The Professor was factually correct when highlighting job/career/income mobility for Black men and women. However, he didn't compare this in terms of *wealth* mobility for both African American (AA) men and women. Neither AA men nor women are closing the White-Black multigenerational wealth gap, which is the true indicator of status equality.
Raj Chetty has outlined predictors of social mobility in his various studies which in order are:
1. Segregation: Less segregated communities are more mobile
2. Income inequality: The size of the middle class of a community is directly proportional to social mobility.
3. Quality of public schools
4. Strength of social networks
5. Family structure: having two parents as opposed to one directly positively correlates.
And surprise surprise, there is an overlap of the cries from the left and right. More socially and economically integrated communities who are well educated are better off, and strong ties fostered by family, community and religion also have positive impacts. I am sure most people are intuitively aware of these matters, but yet they fight in the name of partisan politics.
Thank you so much. Which studies are these?
THERE ARE 9 COMMENTS HERE!
🤬🤬🤬 9!!!! This was so informative and depressing. Then I come to the comments to see how people contribute express their views, or question the information... but there's 9 views.
Im just so beyond exhausted.
I’m frustrated too! These in depth and informative interviews are so underrated! Just watch this one! Mind blowing!
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I think state colleges should be free which I think would help many impoverished people to succeed without accruing such high debt.
I got super lucky. I'm from a lower middle class family and had to borrow around $80,000 to get an engineering degree. Luckily I got a good job but I gave up on career goals to make money to pay off the loans. If I had graduated debt free maybe I could have pursued my dream. Now I'd have to borrow more money to get a masters degree if I wanted to change industries to pursue my dream.
@@JB-kx9bx it is a disgusting way to live. i feel so bad for you.
@@TheProsaicCult my wife and I are lucky from a financial stand point but aside from the prospect of early retirement we dont get much satisfaction from our job or where we live.
This could be the real reason black doctors make less money than white doctors.
A provocative new study of physician pay reveals a seemingly alarming racial disparity that reaches to the very top of medicine: a large salary gap between white male doctors and everyone else.
The median annual income of white male doctors between 2010 and 2013 was $253,042, compared with $188,230 for black male doctors, according to the study published in the BMJ. Both groups of men far out-earned female doctors of both races, although the pay gap between white and black women was modest and not statistically significant.
The Washington Post
Carolyn Y. Johnson
June 8, 2016, at 7:00 a.m. EDT
The american way
Healthcare is a very racist system...inequity of pay and promotion for women, blacks
Undergraduate higher education is secondary to the goal of prestige. Kids pay the freight, then are taught by amateurs. They get football and beer. The administrators get what they want.
Yeah!!! Raj!!!!
The number 1 determinant in whether a young person does well in life in the US is whether their parents can pay for their college education. That describes about 20% of America. If their parents can foot those costs, they will do well. If not, they are screwed and will likely live with their heads bobbing up and down, just above the poverty limit.
Theres a reason why its called American Dream .... it only happens when you are asleep ..... for Amazon ..... lets deal with American Reality for the next 50 years and maybe the dream will come true ....... It was Marketing mambo jambo from the start ....
Interesting topic. Such a bleak outlook for young Black males.
Everyone is born equal in value, not opportunity. It means each unique person has value, not that each is born with equal opportunity
Jo Tracy, Equal in value not in opportunity, but should it be that way ? I say no not to the extent it is. All children should have equal access to health and education. How ever it is not possible to have unlimited growth in a finite world. In the past when there was plenty room to expand one could increase their wealth with out affecting others. That's gone now, the rich expand at to expense of the rest.
When we will have the Indian dream !?
what is the indian dream slim ?
Perhaps a Social Safety Net that includes Universal Health Care and a Guaranteed Living Income would have more lasting impact and save America from its current deification of the One Percent.
Free college is the guiding light at the end of the tunnel for the poor families and their kids, if he truly knows the American poor, mostly Caucasians or Africans, or read the memoirs of those success stories who grew up poor. The researcher appears to have serious bias grown out of the Indian cast system which denies opportunities to the poor. The efforts to boost the up-mobile mechanism from the bottom should be continued, because it is also very important, but not as important as the available opportunities that inspire most of the parents to provide emotional and any tangible support to their children regardless of their poor neighborhoods or failing schools and if he knows the children growing up unsatisfied with their realities. If the researcher looks away from the statistics of college drop outs for a moment and looks into the actual life-and-death experience of those college students from poor families ( many are very smart) due to their economic hardships, and if he looks at the foundamental equalizing effect of the free college and university system at China for a half century in the past, regardless of its most difficult college entrance exams in the world, the researcher won't jump into this irresponsible conclusions from his extremely incomprehensive studies which will continue hinder the upward mobility and equality in USA as in India!!!
This scholar appears to have a very narrow horizon and is ignorant of the well-known and existing successful international models, sorry to say, if he is not pressured or paid to produce such garbage research findings.
Why college , college for success! That's the problem, not every individual is a college material regardless of race. Where is the talk about, trades? Leather workers, artisans , art etc that build character, pride that equal to good citizens.
Did I hear him say that Russia is an enemy? Maybe it doesn't have to be that way.
How about health care?
we must allow people to go bankrupt on student loans if they hit problems. why?
canyonroots Because you are making education a factor of money instead of talent, discipline and hard work. And because higher education in the States is waaay too expensive for what you get. Especially when you realize that the ratio of the costs of the education to the salary that can be earned from gaining that piece of paper has risen outrageously in the past two decades.
People Go to College and get absolutely nothing out of it , Mom and Pop has the Jobs . Not enough Jobs to Go around , so what good is a collage education if you can't find a job . My Daughter went to school for culinary arts . and became a Scholar in the art .Mortgages was to high , Apartment rent was the same as paying a mortgage and they paid no money . The standard of living is higher more expensive Than the pay you earn .And Most of all High taxes .
You can't Pull yourself By the boot straps If you have no boots !
Hari is so brainwashed with whiteness .... he doesn’t want to accept the data from a person who has done the work. Just listen to his stubbornness as if he doesn’t want to believe the truth. Just sad ....
He’s so doubtful and wants to continue to go down the rabbit hole .... very pessimistic....... listen toward the end ...... these are two brown men / one who has done the work and the other one who was raised around whiteness ( Hari ).
Thank you professor for your work. Racism is a crime against humanity and everyone with integrity must replace white supremacy with a system of justice ASAP.
I didn't totally agree with what Raj Chatty said about the race between blacks and whites. For example. What he didn't mention is that all black people don't live in black communities and all white people don't live in white communities also. And there are some black males that become rich and don't end up behind bars also. And there are people of all races and genders that end up behind bars depending on what part of the world you live in also. In fact, in some parts of the world. More white people end up behind bars than black people also. I also want to remind you all that some people regardless of their race and gender get sometimes put or end up behind bars for crimes they didn't commit in some parts of this world also.
Start with the facts the 160 billion dollars that Krishna took give that back and why ain't nobody talkin about it
Doing better then your parents WASN’T THE DREAM. Doing well is the dream. This guys argument falls apart right out of the gate.
Stephen Kenmey You need to listen the segment and then assess what the drivers are.
Doing better than your parents is called progress .
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How does one define better? Make more money but less fulfilled? Higher degree of education but less informed? More socially active but far less
personal dignity?
@@stephenkenmey861 you can make more money and be fufilled at the same time ; also have a higher degree of education and be more informed ; the last one is a personal problem not every is a one size fits all .
You have to be from Money to get Money . Trump did it ask Trump . Free Collage would Probably give a kid who has no money . a chance in life .
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