Yes, we re-edited a much longer piece that's been published for quite a while. Penn was actually in the studio for this interview one year ago. Thanks for watching!
When I was a mormon, I believed it. I was bug-nutty-bat-shit crazy, because I was brainwashed to be bug-nutty-bat-shit crazy about mormonism. In all other areas, I was quite sane.
same here. I just left 7 months ago. I read the CES letter and checked the sources. All true. I read a lot of Dan Vogel and Grant Palmer and I realized it was all a lie. Did your family take it ok? Mine is pretty broken up about it
@@billiondollardan I told my family I was an atheist about 20 years ago and they didn't take it well at all. Some of them kept trying to convert me back and all of them still believe despite me pointing-out the scientific evidence against Mormonism.
"There's a code going on that I need the Rosetta Stone..." That's exactly how I feel! I'm old(ish) and for almost 50 years I looked for "faith". That ability to look beyond reason and just believe that there's a man~somewhere~who watches all I say, do and THINK FFS and judges me worthy or not worthy to be in his grace. It simply did not make sense. In any way shape or form. But I'd still say I believed. Even after my daughter died, I still looked for faith. But finally ~ Hitchens. His writings and speeches and debates finally let me know I could not only declare I don't believe in any kind of gawd, but that I actually despise religion as the money making industry and cult it truly is~ALL of them. I've never been more at peace. And that's a good thing! ☺
as simple as it sounds not many are capable of doing such a thing as changing their mind like you did and i have to say especially at your age that is so momentously impressive and should be met with great praise.
@@notyou6674 That's really kind. Thank you. But I've doubted since I was 8 years old. I was in the class at church getting ready for my first communion. I was Anglican or the church of England (CofE). The reverend was talking about the "approach" prayer that's said before you line up to receive the body and blood (
Corpse Party Never heard back from you. Googled it and found a description of a "Bullshit" episode. "Argues that the idea of utopian world peace is naïve and incompatible with human nature, but also argues against those who argue for deliberate aggression like preemptive war. Also argues that free trade and economic interdependence are the best means to achieve peace." Does not seem "insane" to me...?
god damn I wish we had more celeb status people, who would talk so open and freely about this stuff. It's gonna be the only way to eventually start breaking this cycle of blind stupidity thru faith
BartJ583 You didn't read my comment very carefully. I agree with you that he wasn't referring to a *real* rifle. Either he purposely fucked it up as a joke toward the anti-gun alarmist media, or he just fucked it up. It's Penn. Flip a coin.
I was born into the LDS faith and left in my late-teens. I and every other Mormon I knew, believed that temple garments had the supernatural ability to protect you from harm. Once when I was a member of the church, a missionary told me that he had gotten in a bike accident and was injured only on parts of his body that his garments didn't cover.
I think it's just the in-group recognition handshake. Also a strong signal that you're socially pliant, and you'll conform to the rules of your in-group despite any personal objections.
This is perhaps the most important and crucial point for anyone outside of any belief system: "I understand your words, but the sense in which you use them escapes me!" For example: Any Christian does not believe "everything" that is in the Bible, because we clearly see them act otherwise - yet they believe the Bible is the true word of their god. And that's good, that makes them "not crazy" - partially at least. So, what i want to know: What do people actually believe?
If there is a creator, who then created the creator? And who created the creator that created that creator...? And who created the ---- arh, f.., it, you know where I'm going - there is no evidence of the need of an creator and given what we know today it's the least plausible explanation...!
Kevin Rudd Well, there is the option that neither is true. Eternity is a human concept, which might even not be real. Also, nowhere do we find a physical need for a creator, just a personal or spiritual one, which constitutes wishful thinking rather than an actual scientific imperative. More importantly, there is also no evidence anywhere that a creator is involved in anything.
Penn: You asked. Here's the Rosetta Stone: What politicians really mean is: "Hello people whom identify with these things. I am on your team. I am one of you. You are safe with me. I am not a fancy elite. I am one of you. I will keep you safe. I won't do anything scary. I will protect you and our cherished things, and keep the core ideologies safe and unchanged. You can feel safe and reassured by entrusting your vote to me. You will get a hit of dopamine and serotonin by thinking about me, and when thinking about voting for me, so that you will know in advance that when you leave the voting booth, you will feel that you made the right decision (emotionally)." It's a lot of emotional manipulation packed into a small phrase. I suspect Penn already knew this. I suspect he presented the question to get people thinking and to extend the conversation. Likewise.
I have followed Penn for over a decade, and this speech was one of the most amazing things I have ever seen ever. Penn fools people the same as religion, but he tells everyone that it's a trick. Penn Jillette, James Randi, and Derren Brown all have some things in common. They are all handsome, they have brilliant minds, and they all just happen to be the worlds top magicians. Houdini was one of the first that called out sharlatans...and he was history's greatest magician.
Maybe its because thinking, rational people, who dont live their lives afraid ... don't give a shit about guns and model numbers? AK15, AR47, BS69 ... there are much more important things to care about.
@@cerberaodollam Thank you for you kind and well reasoned response. You seem like just the sort of guy who loves guns, and conspiracy theories, and god. Now please be quiet ... the adults are talking.
⚠️TO THOSE WHO OBJECT TO TEMPLE GARMENTS BEING CALLED “MAGIC UNDERWEAR”: The LDS religion did this to themselves. I was raised in the LDS church between the years of 1967 and 1985. I will attest to the fact (as will many others here) that I have sat through dozens upon dozens, and years upon years of fast and testimony meetings, and general conferences, and I can’t even remember the total count, of the multiple times that I have heard members and general authorities attest to the “fact” that temple garments provided protection for everything from fires, to bombs, to bullets... yes they were touted as bulletproof multiple times. The LDS members and their leaders spawned, and regurgitated the urban legends of your temple garments being “magical” for decades. Quit trying to correct people for saying they are magical. Own up to the urban legends that YOU and YOUR CHURCH alone have allowed to propagate. You have nobody to blame but yourselves. GROW UP!
All kid love santa everyone love fairy tail,kids believe everything that were told by the adult but then they grow up and start to learn more about reality and noticing the contradiction but sadly some people just never learn and grew up
When they say "I believe the word of the bible, literally" what they actually mean is, 'I cherry pick what fits my personal moral compass and that's what I believe is literal. All the rest, that doesn't fit my stance, is just a metaphor' "Parable", sorry
#1 "spiritual and holy" are just fancy words for "magical". #2 If you're accused of fraud, you usually aren't up to many good to begin with. #3 You're absolutly right! Because angels don't exist, and the "Golden Tablets" also didn't exist.
I was born similarly. I am TECHNICALLY Episcopalian. I too read the entire Bible-- as well as the Koran, several books on Greco-Roman mythology, norse myths and finally several books on Atheism. Now I'm no longer a true Christian (though I do believe some of it-- just because King James was a despot and a crackpot doesn't mean that there isn't some truth) -- now I am more a pantheist. I suppose that it all depends on where you stood on the subject to begin with, I suppose.
Thank you, Penn, for expanding my linguistic lexicon. I can't wait to use, "Bug nutty, bat shit crazy," in conversation. LOL!!! He does make a brilliant point though. How can millions of people believe in the Bible's miracles and tragedies while instantly discounting any such claims in modern times, and how can we accept as sane those who claim to believe in that which we know to violate the laws of science?
"Bug nutty bat-shit crazy shit" I'll have to remember to use that some time.... :) I was born Catholic, became "born again" in highschool, believed in the "end times," read the "Left Behind" books, and all other assorted nonsense. I was knee-deep in all of it. In college, I realized...if I TRULY thought The Creator of All Reality wrote...a book, wouldn't I have read ALL of it? Not some of it...ALL of it. So...I did. It took me 2 years to read the ENTIRE Bible. When I finished, I was an atheist.
Damn.. this was powerful and insightful. Although I do have to disagree that Palin and Bachmann are not crazy. Have you heard the two talk? It almost seems as though they are Pentecostals speaking in tongues.
Saiga 107 = AK-15, lol. Not sure if Penn had future-sight, or mixed up AR-15 and AK-47, since the Saiga 107 wasn't in production when this was recorded.
As I was told the other day: " It may not be rational, but people want something to hold onto. " I replied: "Okay, but you must not claim to be a rational human being anymore."
They are magic in the same way Catholics anoint themselves with holy water. The priest says an incantation (OK, OK, a blessing) and waves his hands and wetting your forehead with a dab of it reminds God to take care of you ... or something.
For the same reason people use the term "sky daddy" to describe the Abrahamic God. It highlights the absurdity of the claim by removing the more palatable name, the names with connotations which we find familiar and acceptable. It's also a joke. Approaching theistic topics from a purely logical angle is boring, and as a result does little to speak to those who resists new knowledge or have a difficulty in learning. Humour breaks down that barrier and making a caricature works as a rather effective method of pointing out flaws. Undoubtedly there are people who resists such humour because they feel it devalues their beliefs, but there are others whom have reconsidered a position because they see how easily it can be made a mockery of.
The LDS movement is interesting specifically because it happened in the modern era, with oodles of well-preserved documentation from multiple different sources outside of the church's own. How much more would we know about Muhammed or Jesus of either lived only a century or two ago? How much different would our perceptions be of those individuals?
You say you don't get it either, admitting that means you have hope at least, Penn has a closed mind, seemingly impenetrable. Not that we should give up on him, no, that wouldn't be nice at all. He seems to be a nice well balanced individual with a gift of the gab who unfortunately is stuck in some sort of nether world that forbids any thought other than his own. He is not alone, there are plenty of people like him and not so many like me and its been this way since life began, herd instinct,
... because they don't think about it. If they don't understand, they set it aside, trusting it'll make sense when they're taken to heaven and God answers all their questions.
I would love to have dinner with Penn Jillette. Not to discuss any politics or religion, just to listen to his anecdotes and opinions--and maybe a little magic trick here and there :). Such an interesting man!
If the Jews were in America then how come no Native Americans performed Kosher slaughter, performed circumcision, or spoke any language related to Hebrew?
Well, that's quite controversial. People in the United States desperately wanted freedom of religion, and the majority of the population of the U.S. was indeed Christian. Even the founding fathers believed in God, we don't know the exact religion, but all of the "freedom and liberty" was inclusive in the peoples beliefs.
One of the best 8 minutes I ever had. It really made me thinking. Its really the right question to ask! Why do those people talk such crazy bullshit though they are not crazy? And what do they mean by "literaly" and why do they all stop believing that stuff when they are in court? Penn Jillette just blew my fucking mind!
6:33 Awww Penn there you go saying that word again, I miss Penn and Teller: Bullshit!. I kinda wish teller would be speaking on this show, because i have heard him speak on tv and he has a very charming and sophisticated voice and i want to know what he has to say.
“When you control a man's thinking you do not have to worry about his actions. You do not have to tell him not to stand here or go yonder. He will find his 'proper place' and will stay in it. You do not need to send him to the back door. He will go without being told. In fact, if there is no back door, he will cut one for his special benefit. His education makes it necessary.” ― Carter G. Woodson,
wiki temple garment: the garment also provided physical protection, while others seemed less certain of any physical aspect to protection."[10] In Mormon folklore, tales are told of Latter-day Saints who credit their temple garments with helping them survive car wrecks, fires, and natural disasters
Just to humor you, your saying that just because some random guy said get on my ark, about 2 of every 8.7 million different species climbed onto his ark. Can you just explain to me how the pandas, and lions, and cows, and bears could live in harmony? No really i'm genuinely asking here.
There are people who have to open their mouths just to say something and then there are others who have something to say. This was an 8 minutes well spent!
You hit the nail on the head when you said that there is a key that you have not been privy to. The Bible must be spiritually discerned. Trying to get someone who has not been born again to understand spiritual things is like trying to describe the color purple to someone who has been blind since birth.
"Not guilty by reason of insanity" doesn't mean you were so crazy that you're off the hook. You can be really motherfucking crazy and still be found guilty. What it actually means is that you didn't understand the consequences of your actions at the time of the crime. If voices told you to kill someone you are still guilty of murder. If you thought stabbing someone in the heart might not actually kill them because you think god told you that, THEN you can plead not guilt by reason of insanity.
Another thing about science is that established rules are allowed to be challenged and changed as humans learn more about the world. It's okay to be wrong as long as you give regard to what's right. Science is about learning and growing,
This is what pisses me off most of all. Not the weird ass beliefs, not the ignorance or prejudice against people who don't believe as them, but the CONTRADICTION. The contradiction the Pinn talks about right hear.
Right, and I am saying that sometimes when appears intolerant or unapproachable, they are really just looking for you to defend your position. They come off that way to challenge and deter those who would argue without conviction in their ideas.
It's their culture. Just like any other religious group, Jewish, Muslim, Catholic, Canadian, whatever, it is their culture. For those who don't really believe in the religion yet stay in it, it's because of family, friends, contacts, tradition, and whatever else there might be. It's hard to break out of the whole past of your life and move on without your loved ones. I say move on without them because most of them will disown you if you choose to do that. They say they wont, but they do........
The undergarments are viewed as a symbolic reminder of the covenants made in temple ceremonies and are seen as either a symbolic or literal source of protection from the evils of the world. Carlos E. Asay adds that the garment "strengthens the wearer to resist temptation, fend off evil influences, and stand firmly for the right." Many mormons feel that the garments add spiritual protection and opinions of added physical protection is mixed.
True enough. It's alot easier to sit in a comfy house on a comfy sofa with the blinds drawn, introvert & ignore the world of chaotic sh*t going on out there, & believe whatever it is one wants to believe to make themselves feel better about an otherwise mundane exsistance.Sad. & I get your point about the starfishes..If they're smart/strong enough, they'll survive.
I agree with you, I am a christian (not at all liberal) and have quite a few atheist friends and few have very intellectual conversations and often about religion but arguing about who is right is an argument that never achieves anything
Um...yes, as a Mormon, we do believe its magic. They are a protector for us. They keep us from harm. The temple ceremony states that clearly. Stories upon stories are around of people who wore their garments were saved in the areas their garments covered.
Yeah, he's humble. Except for the time when he said that anyone who loves their father more than him deserves hellfire. Or the time he damned a fig tree for not bearing him fruit. Or the time he told everyone that if they do not worship his father they will burn for an infinite amount of time in hell. So yeah, he's humble.
Perhaps the only logical reasons for a person saying they believe in bat shit crazy shit are- 1. The person IS bat shit crazy 2. The person is lying, or at least deluding themselves
I feel the same way must have missed that day in Sunday school were they told everyone the secret code. At six years old I called my Sunday school teacher a lier after she refused to answer my questions about how you could walk on water. I got kicked out and reported to my Mother who stopped going as well at that point
Yes, it's certainly not an official teaching of the church that garments provide actual physical protection from anything; however, it is an official teaching that they protect members from temptation and evil influences.
penn you are right. im in europe living now. i think outside the box now, and realized the u.s. courts with 12 jury members , does not work equally for all. 12 people with no law training?! and then they dont have to disclose thier reason for thier verdict! european courts work far better. the u.s. need to look at this system of justice. lots to be learned.
Subject 38 I am 31 years old. I was a Christian for 29 years and I have to say that I don’t think you’re telling the truth about finding this hilarious at all. I think it prolly pisses you off a little bit and so you say you find it hilarious when really it eats you inside and you’re good at repressing those feelings of doubt
I'd like to have a conversation with Penn Jillette about Christianity, The Bible, and the dichotomy of man. For one thing, The Bible, just like every other published work, was edited.
I never struggled with my faith until I started actually reading the Bible. My mother is a devout Christian who has never fully read the Bible, only the nice fluffy scriptures they preach in church. But I always think of the man being stoned for taking his ox to water on Sabbath (or something like that, been a while since I've read it) and am like, "Do you really know what you're saying you believe in?" I work on Sundays, should I be stoned too? The Bible is brutal.
This is the question I've been trying to articulate for a while. I have many friends who are Christians, and they are by and large wonderful people I get along with. And most of them tell me they don't believe the Bible is entirely literally true. They tend to view the old testament as figurative, but the new testament as literal. I'm just not sure that the new testament is any less crazy than the old testament, or what allows them to pick and choose what is literal and what is figurative.
Yes, we re-edited a much longer piece that's been published for quite a while. Penn was actually in the studio for this interview one year ago. Thanks for watching!
Where is the full video? I really liked this video.
That was good
When I was a mormon, I believed it. I was bug-nutty-bat-shit crazy, because I was brainwashed to be bug-nutty-bat-shit crazy about mormonism. In all other areas, I was quite sane.
I feel the same way also coming from Mormonism. I was taught to deny reality and accept what I *felt* which was complete bullshit. I WAS crazy.
Have you divorced yourself from all religious and supernatural notions?
@@nephi30 Yes. Absolutely.
same here. I just left 7 months ago. I read the CES letter and checked the sources. All true. I read a lot of Dan Vogel and Grant Palmer and I realized it was all a lie. Did your family take it ok? Mine is pretty broken up about it
@@billiondollardan I told my family I was an atheist about 20 years ago and they didn't take it well at all. Some of them kept trying to convert me back and all of them still believe despite me pointing-out the scientific evidence against Mormonism.
Bug-nutty bat-shit crazy.
My new favorite words.
guano loco.
I love bug-nutty, and use it all the time!
I would really love to see Penn talk with Ken Ham. Would be even better than that debate between him and Bill Nye!
fuck that, I would love seeing him talking to the pope :D
"Delusion::::::
A delusion is a mistaken belief that is held with strong conviction even in the presence of superior evidence to the contrary. "
Cognitive dissonance: hold my 🍻....🤯
"There's a code going on that I need the Rosetta Stone..."
That's exactly how I feel! I'm old(ish) and for almost 50 years I looked for "faith". That ability to look beyond reason and just believe that there's a man~somewhere~who watches all I say, do and THINK FFS and judges me worthy or not worthy to be in his grace. It simply did not make sense. In any way shape or form. But I'd still say I believed. Even after my daughter died, I still looked for faith.
But finally ~ Hitchens. His writings and speeches and debates finally let me know I could not only declare I don't believe in any kind of gawd, but that I actually despise religion as the money making industry and cult it truly is~ALL of them.
I've never been more at peace. And that's a good thing! ☺
as simple as it sounds not many are capable of doing such a thing as changing their mind like you did and i have to say especially at your age that is so momentously impressive and should be met with great praise.
@@notyou6674
That's really kind. Thank you. But I've doubted since I was 8 years old. I was in the class at church getting ready for my first communion. I was Anglican or the church of England (CofE). The reverend was talking about the "approach" prayer that's said before you line up to receive the body and blood (
I've yet to hear Penn say something that I disagree with...
Have you heard his insane approach to world peace?
Corpse Party
I don't think so. What do you claim it is? (Please provide a link where he details his view on "world peace.")
Corpse Party Never heard back from you. Googled it and found a description of a "Bullshit" episode. "Argues that the idea of utopian world peace is naïve and incompatible with human nature, but also argues against those who argue for deliberate aggression like preemptive war. Also argues that free trade and economic interdependence are the best means to achieve peace." Does not seem "insane" to me...?
drstrangelove09 The only thing insane is the idea that peace is possible or even good. But thats beside his point.
we need to stop having to agree with someone in order for something to be self evidently true.
god damn I wish we had more celeb status people, who would talk so open and freely about this stuff. It's gonna be the only way to eventually start breaking this cycle of blind stupidity thru faith
Ak15 lol
BartJ583 knowing penn he said it on purpose
Nick Carbaugh Knowing Penn, he just fucked it up. I listen to his podcast almost every week -- even he'll tell you he's often just wrong :-)
BartJ583 You didn't read my comment very carefully. I agree with you that he wasn't referring to a *real* rifle.
Either he purposely fucked it up as a joke toward the anti-gun alarmist media, or he just fucked it up. It's Penn. Flip a coin.
+Nick Carbaugh An AK-15 is a real rifle, produced for a short period by a Russian manufacturer. It's also called a Saiga 107.
Levi Paulsen i figured he was mixing ar15 and ak-47
Religion is the scariest thing on this planet.
...and politics!
I disagree with one thing he said - Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann,Rick Perry - These are not good people. They are terrible, terrible people.
I was born into the LDS faith and left in my late-teens.
I and every other Mormon I knew, believed that temple garments had the supernatural ability to protect you from harm.
Once when I was a member of the church, a missionary told me that he had gotten in a bike accident and was injured only on parts of his body that his garments didn't cover.
Take a shot everytime he says bug nutty bat shit crazy
I think it's just the in-group recognition handshake. Also a strong signal that you're socially pliant, and you'll conform to the rules of your in-group despite any personal objections.
As for mitt, you have no idea how much power e gets within the Mormon church. He will say he believes anything for that status,
They say it TO GET ELECTED.
plenty of them believe it
"The mind gives meaning to anything, but the meaning it gives is meaningless." J. Krishnamurti
Me too. I was a die hard Christian. I studied the bible, history, science, archaeology, cosmos, physics and now I am a Pantheist.
Woh, that turkey impression freaked me out hahaha. LOVE this guy. He is one of my Atheist heroes.. but he makes some crazy ass sounds lol
This is perhaps the most important and crucial point for anyone outside of any belief system: "I understand your words, but the sense in which you use them escapes me!" For example: Any Christian does not believe "everything" that is in the Bible, because we clearly see them act otherwise - yet they believe the Bible is the true word of their god.
And that's good, that makes them "not crazy" - partially at least.
So, what i want to know: What do people actually believe?
If there is a creator, who then created the creator?
And who created the creator that created that creator...?
And who created the ---- arh, f.., it, you know where I'm going - there is no evidence of the need of an creator and given what we know today it's the least plausible explanation...!
Oh please! Kevin Rudd, believes only, in Kevin Rudd.
Kevin Rudd
Well, there is the option that neither is true. Eternity is a human concept, which might even not be real. Also, nowhere do we find a physical need for a creator, just a personal or spiritual one, which constitutes wishful thinking rather than an actual scientific imperative. More importantly, there is also no evidence anywhere that a creator is involved in anything.
I personally met Penn after one of his shows in Vegas and had my picture taken with him. Never have I smiled as big.
Penn:
You asked. Here's the Rosetta Stone:
What politicians really mean is:
"Hello people whom identify with these things. I am on your team. I am one of you. You are safe with me. I am not a fancy elite. I am one of you. I will keep you safe. I won't do anything scary. I will protect you and our cherished things, and keep the core ideologies safe and unchanged. You can feel safe and reassured by entrusting your vote to me. You will get a hit of dopamine and serotonin by thinking about me, and when thinking about voting for me, so that you will know in advance that when you leave the voting booth, you will feel that you made the right decision (emotionally)."
It's a lot of emotional manipulation packed into a small phrase.
I suspect Penn already knew this. I suspect he presented the question to get people thinking and to extend the conversation.
Likewise.
P. B Amygdala so you have to be an atheist and lie to be successful? Maybe they are successful because of their faith maybe try having some yourself
I have followed Penn for over a decade, and this speech was one of the most amazing things I have ever seen ever. Penn fools people the same as religion, but he tells everyone that it's a trick. Penn Jillette, James Randi, and Derren Brown all have some things in common. They are all handsome, they have brilliant minds, and they all just happen to be the worlds top magicians. Houdini was one of the first that called out sharlatans...and he was history's greatest magician.
With the exception of ak-15 (obvious unintentional amalgamation of ak-47 and ar-15), this is pretty spot on.
exactly, that was immediately noticeable to me too. #lgbtq4the2a
Sir,we need more people like you,not only in the States but in the world !
Yates, amirite?
AK-15 hurt me though, it's either AK-47 or AR-15 lmao :D
Luckily he is pro gun
Maybe its because thinking, rational people, who dont live their lives afraid ... don't give a shit about guns and model numbers? AK15, AR47, BS69 ... there are much more important things to care about.
@@davidmaheengun2672 just fuck off. You have no clue what it's like to live here without them.
@@cerberaodollam Thank you for you kind and well reasoned response. You seem like just the sort of guy who loves guns, and conspiracy theories, and god. Now please be quiet ... the adults are talking.
This country was not founded on Christian values... it was founded on secularism...
Love his pennpoints
Couldn't have said it better..
⚠️TO THOSE WHO OBJECT TO TEMPLE GARMENTS BEING CALLED “MAGIC UNDERWEAR”:
The LDS religion did this to themselves. I was raised in the LDS church between the years of 1967 and 1985. I will attest to the fact (as will many others here) that I have sat through dozens upon dozens, and years upon years of fast and testimony meetings, and general conferences, and I can’t even remember the total count, of the multiple times that I have heard members and general authorities attest to the “fact” that temple garments provided protection for everything from fires, to bombs, to bullets... yes they were touted as bulletproof multiple times.
The LDS members and their leaders spawned, and regurgitated the urban legends of your temple garments being “magical” for decades. Quit trying to correct people for saying they are magical. Own up to the urban legends that YOU and YOUR CHURCH alone have allowed to propagate.
You have nobody to blame but yourselves. GROW UP!
All kid love santa
everyone love fairy tail,kids believe everything that were told by the adult
but then they grow up and start to learn more about reality and noticing the contradiction but sadly some people just never learn and grew up
When they say "I believe the word of the bible, literally" what they actually mean is,
'I cherry pick what fits my personal moral compass and that's what I believe is literal. All the rest, that doesn't fit my stance, is just a metaphor' "Parable", sorry
#1 "spiritual and holy" are just fancy words for "magical".
#2 If you're accused of fraud, you usually aren't up to many good to begin with.
#3 You're absolutly right! Because angels don't exist, and the "Golden Tablets" also didn't exist.
Penn is the most rational person I've ever heard discuss issues such as this.
It really is weird trying to make sense out of all this when you don't see the world through religious spectacles.
I was born similarly. I am TECHNICALLY Episcopalian. I too read the entire Bible-- as well as the Koran, several books on Greco-Roman mythology, norse myths and finally several books on Atheism. Now I'm no longer a true Christian (though I do believe some of it-- just because King James was a despot and a crackpot doesn't mean that there isn't some truth) -- now I am more a pantheist.
I suppose that it all depends on where you stood on the subject to begin with, I suppose.
Thank you, Penn, for expanding my linguistic lexicon. I can't wait to use, "Bug nutty, bat shit crazy," in conversation. LOL!!! He does make a brilliant point though. How can millions of people believe in the Bible's miracles and tragedies while instantly discounting any such claims in modern times, and how can we accept as sane those who claim to believe in that which we know to violate the laws of science?
This is one of the best things I've ever seen!
"Bug nutty bat-shit crazy shit"
I'll have to remember to use that some time.... :)
I was born Catholic, became "born again" in highschool, believed in the "end times," read the "Left Behind" books, and all other assorted nonsense.
I was knee-deep in all of it.
In college, I realized...if I TRULY thought The Creator of All Reality wrote...a book, wouldn't I have read ALL of it?
Not some of it...ALL of it.
So...I did.
It took me 2 years to read the ENTIRE Bible. When I finished, I was an atheist.
Damn.. this was powerful and insightful. Although I do have to disagree that Palin and Bachmann are not crazy. Have you heard the two talk? It almost seems as though they are Pentecostals speaking in tongues.
did he really just say AK-15?
Saiga 107 = AK-15, lol. Not sure if Penn had future-sight, or mixed up AR-15 and AK-47, since the Saiga 107 wasn't in production when this was recorded.
YEAH AK 15 AND I LOVED IT
Is it a bad thing that he don't give 2 shits about guns?
As I was told the other day: " It may not be rational, but people want something to hold onto. " I replied: "Okay, but you must not claim to be a rational human being anymore."
I got stuck on AK-15....
It is a real thing. I looked it up, because I got stuck on it as well haha
Lol probably thought AR 15
theyre called temple garments, not magic underwear. they are more symbolic than anything
This guys a dick
me or penn? i agree with penn here, i just think he comes off like a dick in the way he says things.
tfl;dr: 'Cause it sounds funnier.
They are magic in the same way Catholics anoint themselves with holy water. The priest says an incantation (OK, OK, a blessing) and waves his hands and wetting your forehead with a dab of it reminds God to take care of you ... or something.
For the same reason people use the term "sky daddy" to describe the Abrahamic God. It highlights the absurdity of the claim by removing the more palatable name, the names with connotations which we find familiar and acceptable. It's also a joke. Approaching theistic topics from a purely logical angle is boring, and as a result does little to speak to those who resists new knowledge or have a difficulty in learning. Humour breaks down that barrier and making a caricature works as a rather effective method of pointing out flaws.
Undoubtedly there are people who resists such humour because they feel it devalues their beliefs, but there are others whom have reconsidered a position because they see how easily it can be made a mockery of.
Actually that was added to U.S currency in 1864, the National anthem which includes those words was written in 1814 but not adopted until 1931.
The LDS movement is interesting specifically because it happened in the modern era, with oodles of well-preserved documentation from multiple different sources outside of the church's own. How much more would we know about Muhammed or Jesus of either lived only a century or two ago? How much different would our perceptions be of those individuals?
You say you don't get it either, admitting that means you have hope at least, Penn has a closed mind, seemingly impenetrable. Not that we should give up on him, no, that wouldn't be nice at all. He seems to be a nice well balanced individual with a gift of the gab who unfortunately is stuck in some sort of nether world that forbids any thought other than his own. He is not alone, there are plenty of people like him and not so many like me and its been this way since life began, herd instinct,
Exactly, Penn. It's all a bag of craziness and we're stuck right in the middle of it.
... because they don't think about it. If they don't understand, they set it aside, trusting it'll make sense when they're taken to heaven and God answers all their questions.
Take a drink everytime he says magic underwear 😂😂
CZcams"s ad algorithm is Bug-nutty bat-shit crazy, it showed me an ad for a Christion radio show in front of this Atheist video
Penn needs to do a documentary where he examines religion and politics. Would be awesome
I think Penn is just referring to the cognitive dissonance that a lot of theists and believers exhibit.
I would love to have dinner with Penn Jillette. Not to discuss any politics or religion, just to listen to his anecdotes and opinions--and maybe a little magic trick here and there :). Such an interesting man!
"...so WHY the fuck are they saying batshit crazy stuff to me?" *stares* then the music at the end lol i just find that sequence hilarious
Valentino Olivier couldn't agree more. .. I was laughing my ass off
If the Jews were in America then how come no Native Americans performed Kosher slaughter, performed circumcision, or spoke any language related to Hebrew?
This is the reason why people are surprised when people they previously labeled "crazy" act unexpectedly smartly.
Well, that's quite controversial. People in the United States desperately wanted freedom of religion, and the majority of the population of the U.S. was indeed Christian. Even the founding fathers believed in God, we don't know the exact religion, but all of the "freedom and liberty" was inclusive in the peoples beliefs.
One of the best 8 minutes I ever had. It really made me thinking. Its really the right question to ask! Why do those people talk such crazy bullshit though they are not crazy? And what do they mean by "literaly" and why do they all stop believing that stuff when they are in court? Penn Jillette just blew my fucking mind!
6:33 Awww Penn there you go saying that word again, I miss Penn and Teller: Bullshit!. I kinda wish teller would be speaking on this show, because i have heard him speak on tv and he has a very charming and sophisticated voice and i want to know what he has to say.
south park mormonism episode hits the nail on the head "dumb dumb dumb dumb duuuumb"
You see practical thinking is very simple. If it's too complex someone is trying to pull lie on you like most religions.
“When you control a man's thinking you do not have
to worry about his actions. You do not have to tell him not to stand
here or go yonder. He will find his 'proper place' and will stay in it.
You do not need to send him to the back door. He will go without being
told. In fact, if there is no back door, he will cut one for his special
benefit. His education makes it necessary.” ―
Carter G. Woodson,
The Mis-Education of the Negro
wiki temple garment: the garment also provided physical protection, while others seemed less certain of any physical aspect to protection."[10] In Mormon folklore, tales are told of Latter-day Saints who credit their temple garments with helping them survive car wrecks, fires, and natural disasters
Just to humor you, your saying that just because some random guy said get on my ark, about 2 of every 8.7 million different species climbed onto his ark. Can you just explain to me how the pandas, and lions, and cows, and bears could live in harmony? No really i'm genuinely asking here.
There are people who have to open their mouths just to say something and then there are others who have something to say. This was an 8 minutes well spent!
You hit the nail on the head when you said that there is a key that you have not been privy to. The Bible must be spiritually discerned. Trying to get someone who has not been born again to understand spiritual things is like trying to describe the color purple to someone who has been blind since birth.
If Penn thinks Obama is good, honest, and smart then he's crazier then and Christian I've ever met.
Wow. Just wow. I mean really....how was I so dumb for so long?
"Not guilty by reason of insanity" doesn't mean you were so crazy that you're off the hook. You can be really motherfucking crazy and still be found guilty. What it actually means is that you didn't understand the consequences of your actions at the time of the crime. If voices told you to kill someone you are still guilty of murder. If you thought stabbing someone in the heart might not actually kill them because you think god told you that, THEN you can plead not guilt by reason of insanity.
Another thing about science is that established rules are allowed to be challenged and changed as humans learn more about the world. It's okay to be wrong as long as you give regard to what's right. Science is about learning and growing,
This is a perfect speech, in my humble opinion. Touching, sharp, bold. One of Jillette's best.
This is what pisses me off most of all. Not the weird ass beliefs, not the ignorance or prejudice against people who don't believe as them, but the CONTRADICTION. The contradiction the Pinn talks about right hear.
Right, and I am saying that sometimes when appears intolerant or unapproachable, they are really just looking for you to defend your position. They come off that way to challenge and deter those who would argue without conviction in their ideas.
"Snake told me to. He's not talking anymore."
Do magic underwear still get skid marks? If they don't, I'd be willing to hear the mormons out.
It's their culture. Just like any other religious group, Jewish, Muslim, Catholic, Canadian, whatever, it is their culture. For those who don't really believe in the religion yet stay in it, it's because of family, friends, contacts, tradition, and whatever else there might be. It's hard to break out of the whole past of your life and move on without your loved ones. I say move on without them because most of them will disown you if you choose to do that. They say they wont, but they do........
The undergarments are viewed as a symbolic reminder of the covenants made in temple ceremonies and are seen as either a symbolic or literal source of protection from the evils of the world.
Carlos E. Asay adds that the garment "strengthens the wearer to resist temptation, fend off evil influences, and stand firmly for the right."
Many mormons feel that the garments add spiritual protection and opinions of added physical protection is mixed.
A wise person without humility is like a king without love for his people.
True enough. It's alot easier to sit in a comfy house on a comfy sofa with the blinds drawn, introvert & ignore the world of chaotic sh*t going on out there, & believe whatever it is one wants to believe to make themselves feel better about an otherwise mundane exsistance.Sad. & I get your point about the starfishes..If they're smart/strong enough, they'll survive.
3:30
Snake WALKED up to me.
Hahahah!
I agree with you, I am a christian (not at all liberal) and have quite a few atheist friends and few have very intellectual conversations and often about religion but arguing about who is right is an argument that never achieves anything
Um...yes, as a Mormon, we do believe its magic. They are a protector for us. They keep us from harm. The temple ceremony states that clearly. Stories upon stories are around of people who wore their garments were saved in the areas their garments covered.
What? You mean Penn Jillette didn't use the exact right words when he was talking about some crazy religion? He was right spot on.
is anyone else captivated by how mister Jillette moves his lips when the pronounces 'u'
Yeah, he's humble. Except for the time when he said that anyone who loves their father more than him deserves hellfire. Or the time he damned a fig tree for not bearing him fruit. Or the time he told everyone that if they do not worship his father they will burn for an infinite amount of time in hell.
So yeah, he's humble.
Perhaps the only logical reasons for a person saying they believe in bat shit crazy shit are-
1. The person IS bat shit crazy
2. The person is lying, or at least deluding themselves
So we all know that Penn Jillette loves using the phrase "bat shit crazy".
Because gold is really inert, really availible, and easy to find in the dark (with a little bit of light).
I feel the same way must have missed that day in Sunday school were they told everyone the secret code. At six years old I called my Sunday school teacher a lier after she refused to answer my questions about how you could walk on water. I got kicked out and reported to my Mother who stopped going as well at that point
Yes, it's certainly not an official teaching of the church that garments provide actual physical protection from anything; however, it is an official teaching that they protect members from temptation and evil influences.
penn you are right. im in europe living now. i think outside the box now, and realized the u.s. courts with 12 jury members , does not work equally for all. 12 people with no law training?! and then they dont have to disclose thier reason for thier verdict! european courts work far better. the u.s. need to look at this system of justice. lots to be learned.
FYI: AK 15 is not a real rifle, however a mutant rifle was created by Krebs Custom and Definitive Arms
"Every Good Roman believes in the Gods publicly."
I am a Christian and I found this hilarious...
Subject 38 I am 31 years old. I was a Christian for 29 years and I have to say that I don’t think you’re telling the truth about finding this hilarious at all. I think it prolly pisses you off a little bit and so you say you find it hilarious when really it eats you inside and you’re good at repressing those feelings of doubt
I'd like to have a conversation with Penn Jillette about Christianity, The Bible, and the dichotomy of man. For one thing, The Bible, just like every other published work, was edited.
I never struggled with my faith until I started actually reading the Bible. My mother is a devout Christian who has never fully read the Bible, only the nice fluffy scriptures they preach in church. But I always think of the man being stoned for taking his ox to water on Sabbath (or something like that, been a while since I've read it) and am like, "Do you really know what you're saying you believe in?" I work on Sundays, should I be stoned too? The Bible is brutal.
I highly empathise with Penn's utter bewilderment from what religious people say they believe.
This is the question I've been trying to articulate for a while. I have many friends who are Christians, and they are by and large wonderful people I get along with. And most of them tell me they don't believe the Bible is entirely literally true. They tend to view the old testament as figurative, but the new testament as literal. I'm just not sure that the new testament is any less crazy than the old testament, or what allows them to pick and choose what is literal and what is figurative.
I have a feeling if people really did tell him, he still wouldn't listen. He would hear, but not listen.