Why can’t y’all keep this same energy when it comes to racism against black people😒😒😒🙄 How many of y’all are secretly mad about that national anthem video…👀
Using cries of transphobia and ableism to shield yourself from any criticism is so disgusting and takes so much away from actual victims of those things.
I hate it as i have ASD and i have hell time getting a job once they find out i have it i instantly get way way less shifts or straight up let go. Too see someone use the word ableist to shield themsleves just pisses me off.
@@romeunleashed2 Worst part is that I hate how people downplay people with ASD like they're defective. I don't think I'm defective, I'm just different. But when I say this people label me, saying I truly don't have ASD. Calling me an ableist, and devaluing my words, because I refused to use my disorder as a shield. It pisses me off!
@@dabihwow5550 I don't understand that they except you to use something to defend yourself with but when you do they will just say back your just using your disorder to defend your bad behaviour. There is no winning at all. Only time i say i have it now is when i need to explain why i can't eat infront of people or i can't touch people. Other then that no-one needs to know.
The Hens situation was so ridiculous. Hens seems like such a nice guy and did absolutely nothing wrong. Weaponizing your own identity, which should never be attacked, is imo one of the lowest things someone could do.
Honestly she’s just a bully and has been for a while, and whenever she’s called out on anything she’s done she throws around different “phobics” and “ableist” at any given moment. I hate to say it but I’m glad she’s finally getting backlash from what she’s done and i hope she learns from it
@@AaronDukeYT oh I 100% agree the attacks are uncalled for, unwarranted and disgusting and should not happen at all, but with the way her behaviour has been for a while now I do think it’s a good thing she now has some backlash as hopefully it can help her learn and grow
@@AaronDukeYT You might not agree with them, but they are expected and its not surprising. I myself have felt disrespected by Jane and I cant truthfully say that im not laughing my ass off at the hate theyre getting. Like p10dylans said, hopefully these "attacks" will have Jane realise that the way they were acting was wrong.
@@AaronDukeYT I doubt she's learning about this judging from the last stream she made, she's going to play victim until the day she dies, she's surrounded herself with yes men and is playing the "Everyone else is wrong and I'm right" mindset
I'm a trans DBD streamer and CZcamsr, and I hope Jane respectfully does not come back. I'm tired of trans creators and figureheads giving the trans community bad rep. She has my respect as a fellow queer creator, but she has done many disgusting things and I don't want her to continue to act as a trans creator, as it will only damage the community. I'm very grateful for everyone speaking out against her and further grateful that those who do, are still respectful to the trans community. Thank you everyone, and have a great day!
@@Guts-the-Berserker Dude, it's just a word, you need to get over yourself. If someone changed their name would you still use their old name because that's what they were 'actually' named? It's dumb, you get nothing out of it and you just act like a dick towards someone that didn't do anything to you. Trans people know what they are, they don't need you going 'Acthually 🤓' and explaining to them how biology works. They ask to be called a certain pronoun and you won't have your dick chopped if you do so. Alternatively, you have the option of not interacting with them and continue your day.
She gets a LOT of shit for being a Trans creator - but she does jump to phobia an awful lot, as do many of her fans who claimed they were being tunneled because of the Pride charms... despite the fact almost all of us have those charms on. Yes, I have been tunneled a fuck ton lately and yes, I use Pride charms exclusively - but it's not a causation. I get tunneled because I am a dumbass who often slams (literally) into the killer am an easy kill - charms mean nothing.
chromosomophobia 💀. if you don't like trans folks then shut up and look the other way lol. i'll never get why transphobes are always looking for someone to insult
Crazy that she thinks people aren't allowed to disagree with her because she's trans. No, cis people should not speak over trans people when they are speaking on trans issues. However, this was not a trans issue. The problem was her demeanor when someone disagreed with her opinion. This was absolutely a painful watch. As an ally for trans people, it's really hard to watch certain creators use their gender identity as a way to avoid criticism altogether. It really gives people the wrong idea of trans people in general, and tarnishes their appearances in these online spaces. I hope she can see the error in her ways, apologize, and move on from this situation.
I unfortunately see that alot, when someone is part of a minoirty that has been historicallly oppressed they use their race, indenity or what ever as a shield from cricitism and it is awful every time
Jane is literally a manipulation master, an emotional vampire, the way she weaponizes her transgender status and cries transphobia whenever someone disagrees or dislikes something she says, that's insane! The fact that it took this long for people to give her shit for this is baffling, better late than never i guess
I think regardless if a person is cis or trans, if they have more knowledge about the subject they can "speak over" the other group. It's like a bald barber expert giving advice to a hairy non expert average person, I'll leave who should "speak over" the other up to you
@@boopthief2668 If people didn't give her shit she'd still be on twitter right now doubling down on all of this, some people need to get smacked on the back of the head to learn a lesson, fight fire with fire. There are times where someone has to learn a lesson the hard way, people TRIED so hard to help her learn what she was doing was wrong and she called all of them transphobic lol I saw it all go down, transgender allies and all, she called them transphobic all the same, she was basically just blinded by her need to feel like the victim. :/
Aaron, thank you for highlighting Jane verbally assaulting my friend, live on stream. Shes deleted that VOD btw. I appreciate you so much for shedding light on the whole situation. This gives me hope for everyone as a community, so that we’re able to come together and stop this madness. Thank you, have a blessed day. ❤
I hope your friend is doing alright and that there aren't too many people attacking on Jane's behalf. Jane's behavior here is absolutely not okay and I just hope that everyone she's hurt overcomes this.
the problem is, no matter what a persons going through. anyone who lashes out and mistreats others is going to have opinion of them take a nosedive. Jane should probably take a break if she can for her own wellbeing
I feel like a break is not going to help at all, she needs actual help, like a therapist's help, like talk to a professional, get the mental state checked out, not just lay down in bed doing nothing but be alone with her thoughts, that'd be so much worse, like a ticking time bomb
@@Yoshiiniteof course. I do not know her, and this is just a vague assumption in which I could be very wrong, but maybe the person who assimilated their own identity with that of a dead by daylight character isn’t doing the best mentally? Her actions described in this video definitely point to that being the case
@@TheCreepyLantern She needs to get a mental check asap, i've seen her "take breaks" which amounted to nothing, she'd just come back to twitter a couple days later to repeat the cycle
What she does is NOT a defense. She is gaslighting and accusing people of random isms however she pleases, like in that discord screenshot. Nevermind that the "as a cis person you ought to shut up" line is just absolutely disgusting from someone who claims to fight against inequality. Just because someone has a different gender identity or sexuality than her does not make their opinion more or less correct or valuable. Edit: Fully agree with your closing words however. Dont go after her, dont spread misinformation or hate about her. And hope she changes for the better eventually.
@@AaronDukeYT I understand. I just get worked up about stuff like this because what is going to happen is that people who mean real harm to the LGBTQ+ community will cherry pick this as an example and go "See? Look! Thats how horrible 'these people' are!" and we have to be better than that. We cannot give them ammunition.
What you say from 10:06 onwards is my massive issue with her. She’s created a brand around being THE Jane Romero, almost as though she’s basing her entire identity around the character, including her transition and goals within that. She has no separation between her real life identity and her online/game one, because she’s not allowed them to be separate.
This. She also felt attacked regarding the recent Tournament and she felt like her main, Skull Merchant, having certain rules/parameters for use after weeks of multiple CCs/TOs making the rules, but Jane felt like it was an attack on her personally. It's okay to like something enough to identify it, but you can't then take any disagreement as an attack.
This. I've seen people attach their entire existence to characters, and it's *not* healthy. I worried that could have been a transphobic opinion to have for some time, but in hindsight, it's more akin to disliking Impersonation or Identity Theft. I was very much shocked when I first found out there was a Content Creator *named* Jane Romero after the character-- and frankly with how many bad experiences I've had with people who do that I've been genuinely uncomfortable with it. I believe that JaneRomeroShow made a couple statements about how she identified more with Adriana than Jane, but struggled to switch her branding. That's likely what sparked this situation, as she saw *herself* as Adriana, and when people make statements about disliking the character she became incredibly hostile and had no hesitation to sick her community on them. I hope that she does take some time off and come back with a better mindset, but more importantly I hope she returns with a sense of self, rather than living through the identity of a fictional character. That would obviously come with a rebrand, not to Adriana or Jane, but to an identity of her own. Everyone deserves to *be* someone, someone that is unique to them, and not a character created by another person.
I've seen Jane for the first time a few months ago when twitter continued to show me her stuff. Back then she identified as Skull Merchant and all. I saw her lash out on another player live on stream during a match because people continued to DC against her. What was even worse what that the Ada she told to "git gud" and was incredibly rude to live on stream was the one survivor who continued playing until the very end and never gave up... as a result they got Jane's hate. Then she posted a screenshot of the endgame screen on twitter to complain about people DC'ing against her, the postgame chat was purposefully hidden in this. That already made me familiar with her manipulation and gaslighting. What I find incredible unfortunate is that she acts pretty much exactly like the negative stereotype transphobes/conservatives have of trans people, especially trans women. The way she lashes out, is extremely sensitive and will label everything as transphobia just aids in perpetuating this very stereotype. Her behavior alienates LGTBQ+ people and allies while also attracting and helping transphobes. That's a shame and the last thing I wish for the community of a game that I love playing. I hope that she takes a looong look into herself and can come back a better person. If not I hope she doesn't return.
I really hate doing this, but i think jane is genuinely not a good person, they have in the past, tried to cancel other creators, harassed other creators, actively hurt the trans community by using the term transphobia when ever they were backed in to the corner, and sent their followers to harass other community memebers. i cannot in good conscious say she is a person that should come back. I don't care if she's trans, i'm bi myself but she has actively made it harder to be the community as a lgbtq+, when ti was already hard to begin with because dbd can be quite cruel to minorities.
You really should replace "they" with "she" here. Regardless of your opinion on her, using her pronouns is basic respect. She really doesn't seem to be a good person, though, I agree with you there.
@@leonbabygirlkennedywhat? “They” is a general pronoun that can be used to describe anyone. I describe people in stories etc. like that all the time. Why do you think there is something wrong with that?
I know that being trans is hard but it's definitely not a get out of jail free card. I feel like connecting everything with your trans identity gives people just a bigger attack spot. As a trans girl myself I tend to not talk about my trans identity unless necessary. In my opinion being trans (also gay, lesbian etc) shouldn't be your personality because I think it just ends up like this where you feel like everyone attacks you personally. In the end I'd like to say a positive thing and that's I started hrt a week ago and I hope that other trans people can reach that goal as well.
I feel like she uses the discrimination she receives as a god complex, she brings the fact that she's trans into completely unrelated subjects and "wins the argument" because she is trans and they aren't
What brings my anxiety up is that as a viewer of Jane, I first brought up the comparison of Plague and Skull Merchant in one of her streams a while back, and she heavily agreed with me, and we had a short conversation about it. Makes me feel oddly connected to this, lol.
The problem with getting attacked so relentlessly like that.... Is that you slowly stop being able to discern what is constructive criticism and what is not.
for me the only times i've seen overwhelming hate is when she started something that she shouldn't have. From my perspective, she seems to continuously welcome the hate and foster it by making as many people mad as possible, and presenting everything in the most uncharitable way. This has all just finally come to a head. Shes always been kinda like this. She was not pushed here, she made it and has been living it. I dont think we should act like anything else besides her got us to this point.
It's for this reason that i wish Jane all the best, I'm not angry that she is doing these things, if anything i pity her. It's a damn shame that things got to this point that she feels attacked over criticism over a take over a video game. For her and everyone else it's best if she walks away to find the time to breath so that she's in the right frame of mind to act as a content creator who represents the trans community in dbd.
Yep, as someone who was bullied all throughout school and even now into adulthood (in more subtle ways than a teenager could ever come up with) you do have a hard time discerning legit criticism from actual bullying behaviour. That said, it's never good to lash out at everyone and claim that everyone is an ist or a phobe. 😅 Seriously, I hope Jane does better, I hope she improves, but I also won't be surprised if she doubles down.
Transgender and Transphobia has nothing to do with this. She just used it as a shield when she got backlash which is just a spit in the face to those who are unfortunately being discriminated against specifically for their sexuality.
@tomasadam4522 honestly you are just playing into the game by being transphobic with misgendering her. Multiple comments in this section point out that just bc she's done bad things does not deprive her of being treated with basic human decency. Sorry for ranting bout this miss.
She has done bad things. People have also done bad things to her to push her into this mindset. Neither are justified imo. This video is a good summary and I agree with everything that was said tbh.
omg I used to play against her a few times when she called herself adriana skully. She would basically make the game as unfun as possible and then when people gave up, shed make fun of it while the community would yes mam her the whole time. It was exhausting, because there was no point in engaging in her echo chamber.
As a trans person myself, it really hurts to see things like this keep happening. Whenever trans creators turn out to be bad people, it really hurts the community as a whole when other people see this and assume that the whole community is this way. I appreciate you making this video though, it just sucks seeing how her behavior will just be used to fuel disrespect and hatred towards the trans community. I really so hope she gets help though, her life is so absorbed by internet drama and that can quickly lead to not being able to think rationally when all she does it respond to it because she assumes that every critique or opinion is a personal attack against her, sinking herself into a deeper hole. Thank you again for discussing this matter though, it's nice seeing a stance with no bias against either side.
Is there even an actual 'trans community'? I feel like if there was a central trans community that could disavow said individuals, call them out and put them in their place and stop giving them a green light to 'represent' the whole community they'd lose a lot of pull. There is a trans minority like Jane, who are 'twitter activists' that just go around being toxic and then claiming transphobia and shit like that on the slightest show of distaste from the people or communities they try to dig for drama. It's quite annoying as I have trans friends and they are absolutely nothing like those people but most outsiders don't realize that. Because all they see are people like Jane. People who think everyone should be an 'ally' regardless of if they just don't want to bother with that issue, and so on. They literally go around making enemies for trans people with their behavior and it's usually random trans individuals that pay for it as they don't have a large community to shield them from the results of the actions of said toxic individuals. It's truly sad.
I never had a problem with Jane But I've always seen how seriously she takes this game and that made me not want to really follow her work I never sent hate or looked in her direction at all But I've always seen this side of her because I have irl experience with people who use her same manipulation tactics And wondered why nobody tried to talk to her about it before this drama happend I hope everyone involved in this situation comes out ok, especially Jane and hopefully she gets the help she needs because she has followers who truly care about her
I’m pretty surprised this video was made before one about Junebug, who allegedly lied to a friend about their illnesses/hospitalizations and claimed they were actively dying while threatening to self harm. Jane’s story has been beat to death at this point and is much less serious imo to a man whose actions have been brushed under the rug + still somehow has a platform
Jane is absolutely notorious for her victim mentality, but Junebug's weaponized victim mentality and open use of death/un-aliving baiting for sympathy and to get out of the consequences of June's own actions is certainly up there. And unlike Jane, Junebug still has friends in high places willing to excuse that behavior and sweep legitimate concerns under the rug. The fallout of Jane's saga, meanwhile, with the blatant ableism, transphobia and homophobia rearing its hydra heads, is all but validating many of the things she's said (in a general sense) about how hateful people in this playerbase can be.
@@vampirebottom Junebug is getting a video made for him, and Swarm too, since Swarm took his side despite all the stuff that was shown of Junebug so it'll be two birds with one stone God it's such a shame how rotten the DBD community can be with the big users in it
Personally, and saying this as a gay man, I could never want to use my sexuality as a weapon, as Jane does with her identity, because I feel that it entirely defeats the purpose of all the hard work and dedication to the cause of giving us equality by those who were strong enough to lead it and be a part of it. If we’re just going to recreate the behaviour that caused us to take a stand in the first place then we’re placing ourselves in a war all over again
One of the most important lessons I learned when trying to deal with why I was such a broken mess around people, was learning that scars run deep. It's so hard to not physically and mentally shrink and feel weak at times, and defence starts to kick in poorly. It's ruined friendships where I personally ran from problems till it destroyed a personally important place I felt safe. I can kinda see Jane's side due to that. It's a bit armchair psychology, and that's a very bad place to be. I understand. I'm just speaking from the fact I see that fight or flight, and then a mistake chain reactions.
Thank you for bringing the issue of people fusing their identity to their opinions up. Its a super toxic trait that many people online engage in and makes any potential discussion and growth impossible
"I have a disability, you're abelist if you disagree with me." "I'm religious, you're a sinner if you disagree with me." "I'm trans, you're a transphobe if you disagree with me." "I'm gay, you're homophobic if you disagree with me." "I'm a minority, you're racist if you disagree with me." People have been shielding themselves with this bullshit for years and it's only getting worse. You literally can't say anything without being called something, it's so stupid. These people make one thing their whole identity because they literally have nothing better to do and attack everyone for it.
Well at a time in which transphohia has become extremely common and the platform she uses has been pushing it, more people will inevitably respond to any criticism more defensively. If you log on and are met with constant criticism just for existing it's easy to lose perspective and start caring too much about the minor shit too. The minority of people that end up in this kind of toxic spiral though definitely aren't preventing anyone from saying anything. Based on community response it evidently doesn't work.
I saw what was going on, but I tried to stay out of it. I've been kinda out of the loop, and don't want to get involved in a huge Twitter argument drama.
The issue with Jane has always been the same. She's extremely negative, extremely combative, and anytime someone says/does something people disagree with she blames them and says they're nothing but transphobes. I think for community sake she needs to not return. She has left nothing but negative impressions of the game AND trans people.
@@Paramore_your_Decode People who were being transphobic sure, they were ass holes. But that doesn't excuse Janes actions and the things they've done. Making a huge call out post about a tournament not letting her play SM and then calling them transphobic because of that? Not excusable. This person is constantly negative and a detriment to the DBD community and should not be given a platform.
I used to really enjoy watching her content and streams so it hurts a bit now to see that whenever she feels attacked or backed into a corner she does have that knee jerk reaction. we can all learn something about kindness from this situation. I hope when jane does come back she’s happy, healthy, and in a better mindset. hurt people hurt people and a break is well needed
If you're looking for a trans dbd creator I HIGHLY recommend Spookysnowflake! I've been subscribed to her twitch for two months now, and I adore her with my whole heart, she's become one of my friends so quickly and she's so incredibly welcoming and will talk to everyone in chat, she lifts everyone up and gives heartwarming advice when you're feeling down. She's also just so incredibly funny and wild! I hope at least one person here will check her out, she deserves all the love in this world. 💜
Jane has always been this way though. I don't understand how people can say this is a reaction from her being attacked constantly when this is what she's always done. The trans attacks were very much real, i'm not taking that away from her, but the issue here is that she's always been reactionary towards the negativity. She'll take a couple of negative replies on twitter after making some really controversial hot takes and use that to boost her "positive community branding". She hides behind this toxic positivity that she surrounds herself in constantly and needs to be in the spotlight. Jane has done this since the start but not many people have been around her long enough to notice. A lot of us have, and a lot of us know of her tweet and delete behaviors when a post doesn't go as "viral" as she wants. Even during all this constant stuff now, the moment she realized that it wasn't going her way she started deleting posts left and right and stalking about needing "a break". this is who she is and trying to give her the benefit of the doubt is only going to enable her behavior more and more.
Glad you made a video about this, I had every now and then seen them post on twitter in response to a tweet, or as a response on one of their tweets and they always seemed to be coming from a place of hostility with no provocation. I had muted them some time back, and I implore anyone that sees them on Twitter or Twitch, just ignore and/or mute them. It's better for you, it's better for them. I hope they get the help they need.
Oh geez I saw one post on Twitter and was a bit interested because Jane kept popping up in my feed for a while. Wasn’t expecting to see you cover this.
This has been going on for a very long time and I’m surprised it took so many people this long to realize. I guess it was a creeping issue and this was just the straw that broke the camel’s back. I hope she can take a well needed break and get the help she needs.
This game has the most dramatic and stupid community. Players that played for thousands of hours don't know the difderence between real life and DBD world
This is the best place to write my experience with Jane -One year ago i played with her as teammates in solo queue, i didn't even knew who was she (you know many TTV users and rarely are still active) but she had the twitch shirt, so i tried to play good, (not sure if it was a Legion or Plague) but she the entire game played horrible, worst than a bot (brought us the killer, chases of 5 secs, self caring the entire game, exploding gens constantly, etc) In endgame chat i type "So this is the kind of streamers that BHVR gave the twitch shirt, the ones that act like BOTS, but people like Azhymov, MintSkull, Zubat, OtakuFanSite that play better or provided different content, no" She went crazy, calling me "transphobic" "inferior human being" etc. Until i realize who was she and what kind of objective wanted to complete in the community i tried to fix the bad choice of words, she never accepted the misunderstood and later posted a image of the endgame chat like "So my content supporting trans rights are less important than the DbD lore" (obviously she posted the first thing, not my sorry) i checked some of her streamings and must of them when she was camped, she said that the killer do that because is transphobe and is targeting her, after that incident i simply ignore her because 40 minutes later she deleted it. -Three week later i face against her as Skull Merchant in Dead Dawg Saloon, i had the nickname of "FYouSkullMerchant" because i don't like the killer and most players takes you hostage for 40 minutes, we did all the gens, she camped hooked Nancy with the 3 drones near her, at the end trying to save Nancy we all die, until endgame chat i realize that once again she was Jane Romero TTV and went a bit aggressive just for my username and i remember about her words of camping and i quote "Later you are crying in Twitter that killer camps you, but it is fair if you do it" That thing made her more aggressive after i saw how was really: "Transphobic" "Stalker" "Harasser" "Illegal Inmigrant" I told her that i can't be transphobic or Anti-LGBT if i have a bisexual girlfriend, a closer friend who is gay and has a boyfriendy, a online trans friend who i support her in a toxic environment. "You transphobic always are lying, you take my depression as advantage, the community of Dead by Daylight is bs" and once again posted this time only the lobby like "Guess who is the transphobic" She this time didn't posted the endgame chat because in every comment she told me horrible stuff and casually she wasn't streaming... my "illegal" words vs her word
I watched it go down, and from what I can tell from everything I've seen, is that this was a very serious trauma response, especially seeing how fast this escalated. I honestly feel sorry for her. I went through a similar experience, not that long ago, with two of my close friends who I thought were gaslighting me. It's scary to be in this kind of head space when you feel like you can not trust anything. I truly hope she gets the help she needs, it's really hard to get mental health services in most places, but I hope she can get the help she needs.
@agencymenace1090 At what point did I say it's okay to abuse? I'm pointing out that these reactionary responses stem from some serious trauma and that it would help her if she worked through the trauma while also giving a prime example from my own life.
Im not so sure. She has a history of doing this even before she got a lot of attack. Not denying the transphobia (which i completely disagree with in everyway) is very real and she has been affected by that, but this behaviour seems to have started before a lot of that. Also, she has a history of cropping certain things she posts in order to pretend they were transphobic. Honestly, I think the issue is she not happy unless people are talking about here or unless she is a victim. It seems to be her comfort place.
I'm so torn on my feeling towards Jane as a trans woman myself. Her behavior isn't excusable, but I do think I understand where it's coming from. We're at a point where trans people are being attacked in the media and by state governments on a level of which we haven't seen in 20 years. It's really, really easy to be on high alert at all times and see everything through the lens of transphobia. On the other hand, when she incorrectly uses transphobia as a shield, she isn't actually calling out transphobia. She is using the entire trans community as a shield for her inappropriate behavior at a time where we're already getting thrown under the bus. She's doing actual harm to our community by devaluing the very real concept of transphobia, putting a massive target on the back of other trans creators. I'm just really upset by the whole thing and feel like a lot of trans creators will now suffer the consequences of her own poor decisions.
This may sound bad but based on this comment you seem like one of the good trans people. You want to live your life how you want to and be able to express yourself. I don’t support the trans ideology nor am I against it, I believe in supporting a person in how they act. Recently I’m seeing a lot of people use being trans as an excuse for being unable to find jobs or be treated well but this just makes the whole community look bad. As you said her actions will reflect the entire trans community which isn’t fair because a lot of you just want to live your life. Apologies for the long comment just rare to see a comment like yours nowadays from my experience
“One of the good trans people” yeah please don’t let the few negative experiences you’ve had with trans individuals to tarnish your whole view on people. People like Jane give a nasty rep and you’ve gotta hopefully look past them and realise they’re just people the same as you and I, but have had some difficulties with their gender identity. I’m not saying you have to agree and support every single trans person you see, just respect them as a person wether you agree with them or not.
@@matthewcochrane9499 I might be about to ruin that by saying I feel iffy about that comment, since saying I'm one of the good ones kinda makes it sound like the average one of us is "bad". I'm sure you meant well, but you're probably just getting shown the worst of us because of how social media tends to work. It's statistically true that we're far less likely to be hired and even less likely to be paid the same if we do get hired in states without proper labor protections. But I DO just want to live my life and express myself. That only really becomes difficult when every day is spent with actual transphobes telling me I'll never be a woman, I should off myself, sending me pictures of people hanging themselves, etc. Which is kind of a daily event as a trans streamer. I'm lucky enough to have a decent acting career irl and people that support me but not all trans people are as lucky as I am. But people criticizing me for things completely unrelated to being trans aren't transphobic for doing that. I'll only ever call out transphobia if they're specifically focusing on me being trans. Hating me for other reasons is totally valid. And if someone calls me bro or some shit on an anonymous game like DBD I'm not gonna instantly get mad at them like what happened here. Guess what I really mean to say is my mentality is kind of the mentality of the average trans person. Most of us just want to live our lives and exist like anyone else as the people we feel we are supposed to be. Just, like most groups, social media and the media in general tend to only amplify the voices of the most controversial of us. Try to not let those of us you see amplified as bad examples ruin your perception of the average trans person.
@@matthewcochrane9499i get what you are coming from and you prob meant no harm but trans people aren't an ideology, you can not "agree" or "disagree". ideologies are something subjective and the reality of trans people is something objective that exists, no matter what your beliefs are.
I remember the hens incident. I was in hens’ stream when it happened. He was playing billy and Jane (anon Ada from hens’ pov) called his hits unfair. At the time he was visiting the US so he was on US servers. Jane called him a VPNer (untrue) he said some sentence that included the word “bro” and she said one word in reply: “sis” which he took to mean Ada calling hens sis when she actually was correcting him calling her bro. It was a miscommunication that Jane went to twitter for and tried to call him transphobic. Hens is not transphobic.
I haven't caught one of her streams in awhile, but the level of harassment she has experienced previously tends to suggest she has been traumatised and isn't aware that it's affected her as much as it has. When you're constantly attacked it can be very hard to escape a victim POV and your guarding against further attacks goes into overdrive, resulting in kneejerk reactions as highlighted above. If you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. If you've been under persistant attacks, anything that isn't wholly positive can feel like veiled or prelude to an attack, and even positive comments can be received with suspicion. As you say, a step away would benefit Jane. Social media (even if you aren't a content creator) tends to create a pressure to comment frequently, to reply instantly. Jane's Twitch channel has disappeared, so hopefully she'll spend time with friends and improve her mental wellbeing before coming back/starting a new project.
@@Mutantdogfangs You been going through Jane's inbox? Or are you so certain because you're responsible for sending that harassment? If you're going to make claims like that, I'm going to need to see some numbers buddy.
I don’t think Jane is a bad person, I just think she’s been hurt again and again and has adapted a bad coping mechanism. Hopefully her time away helps her heal and pick up healthier coping habits.
If youre coping habit is to hurt people at least a part of you is bad. I've been dealt shit hands and I deal with shit but I don't take it out on others. I feel guilty at just the though of mistreating others because of my own misfortune.
This just makes me sad since I always looked up to Jane. I was so happy to play against her and asked her to sign my profile. She has just always been very kind and this behaviour doesn't suit her at all. Then again I have seen this a lot from other people in the community. Especially one big streamer who I'm not going to mention. But when people deal with attacks and criticism, at some point they take everything personal and treat it the same way. And often they don't realize, especially when their own fans just blindly follow them. I hope this break from Twitter helps her to rethink about the whole situation and make an apology.
I genuinely hope Jane will be ok in the end. Sure, she's responded to some of these conflicts in the worst way, but at the same time I don't entirely blame her considering she gets attacked left and right for simply doing anything. Hopefully things will work out in the end.
She must take the blame fully for her actions, that’s not debatable imo. As I say though, it’s not about excusing her behaviour but trying to understand it
she brings the criticism onto herself. There are very little attacks against anything but her actions. Nothing justifies a person acting in this way. Don't make excuses for her.
Thank you for making this, Aaron. Seeing all the people Jane has hurt and betrayed throughout this entire situation has utterly and completely obliterated all love and respect I ever had for her. I can't in good conscience support someone who lashes out like this and has absolutely zero remorse. Truthfully, I hope she stays gone from the content creator space and moves on to other things, because I don't see her as ever being capable of amending her behavior. Especially after learning how many times she's gone down similar roads before only to repeat the same issues over and over again. Your coverage of this was very respectful and well-delivered, though, and I always appreciate your takes in matters like these. 💙
@@tomasadam4522 were you shaken as a baby? or perhaps dropped on your head? the mistake that your mother has made by not swallowing you whenever she had a chance is immeasurable
Thank you for making this video. I saw the whole thing going down on Twitter, and as someone who noticed Jane's red flags in the past but felt like I couldn't speak up without being in the wrong, it feels validating to know a community centerpiece like you sees it as such.
@@elacolyte1983 If she attacked Hens and tried to cancel him she's definitely not a good person and that type of person is a real bad rep for the trans community. If she at least didn't make it about being trans or brought attention to it on every breath I wouldn't mind it so much, but having trans friends I can't even believe anyone would support Jane unless they hate the trans community and want to see it burn by getting more people to hate on them.
You put it so well. I have never seen someone twist every negative interaction into them being the victim like she has on Twitter. It's really messed up and sad. I hope she takes a much needed break. She obviously cannot emotionally handle being online and interacting with people. I just don't really think she will ever admit any wrong doing sadly.
I agree with you Duke 👍 People need to separate these things so they don't fool themselves. Although it's so much easier said than done when there's emotions been stirred up for a while.
I had to draw my support from Jane after all this. She refuses to accept she can make mistakes and be a bad person just because shes trans. And as a trans person myself thats just ridiculous. I and many stood by her when she was wronged. She needs to learn that simply because you are part of a minority doesnt mean you cant fuck up and thats the biggest problem. The tweet that made me step away was when she made a tweet that she was upset bigger DBD creators didn't step in to defend her on the whole "crazy" situation. It feels more like she just wants attention at this point and I hate saying that because she truly has faced extreme transphobia but its starting to feel like she uses transphobia as an accusation where none was made. Im not mad at her, Im just dissapointed
I remember when i first starter watxhing hed ahe was so sweet n kind and wasnt she aiming to be a fog whisperer so many were rooting for her and now everything haz gone downhill for her its heart breaking to see this happening she had such positive energy n love for evergone ahe will be in my prayers and hope she will find heeself in a better mental state of mind and take some time to find that inner peace and well being ❤
only thing i remember about this streamer is that i once, in her chat said "jane bad af" and meant it as in the character being bad as in attractive, she thought i attacked her for maining jane💀💀
I hate to say it, but I knew this was bound to happen. Think about it: why on earth did Jane suddenly say that she personally felt attached to Adriana's (skull merchant) character as a whole when the character can be summed up as a narcissist that can only see the end results of things being nothing but what she wants and will anything to get to it? It felt really sudden, but as this has been unfolding I started to see how she considered skull merchant as her new personal character, which saddens me since I've seen Jane as a awesome figure in the dbd community fall from grace
Not related to the video, but to the comment section. Aaron wasn't playing about those bans. I see so many comments and replies where people reply to a user that doesn't have a comment. Someone even said they must be telling with a name like YT Edgelord 😅😅
Jane, more often than not, has used her identity as a reason to harass others when they share an opinion. Any time somebody tries to tell her something constructive she resorts to manipulation and, pardon me if this is not the correct usage here, narcissistic behavior. I know as a trans person online she’s definitely faced her share of bullying but now she’s taking any real attacks on her and using them as a weapon to beat down anyone. It’s really harmful and unfair to people who simply have a differing opinion than her with no malicious intent. I understand she’s been the victim many times, but she’s been using the victim perspective too freely as of late. She is out of touch and needs to take accountability. She’s painting herself as the biggest victim and tarnishing the reputation of not only herself, but DBD queer creators. I do not support attacking her, that won’t help anything. But she needs to take accountability and leave the internet. It’s proven to be an unhealthy place for her. Losing an audience and an online presence is what she needs, because too often I’ve seen her fly off the handle and that’s not okay. I hope she improves and does better with her mental health, but I believe it’s time for her to go away for her own good. Much love, all xx
Don't actually know this Jane (twitter just really wanted me to know this) but it reminds me of a experiment some people did. A bunch of people had to go to a job interview while wearing fake scars on their face to see if it would have a effect on the interview. Right before going in however they said they needed to adjust some final stuff and unbeknowest to the participants removed those scars. After the test the vast mayority said the scars made a big impact on the interview while some even felt the scars were mentioned and they felt attacked. When you feel like you are being a victim the brain being the expert pattern finders that it is is going to look for confirmation of that. To the point of seeing it everywhere. Doesn't excuse the behaviour ofcourse but purely psychologically i can understand why she reacted the way she did
I appreciate your perspective on this, Aaron. I think our experiences and what we are going through often colors our responses to things. It happens to everyone in everyday life, too, not just streamers. And while I think Jane was out of line with how she handled this particular situation, I can sympathize with what may have gotten her here. Let's face it, this community can be awesome but can also be extremely toxic. I can understand why someone who has suffered abuse from the community might be quick to become defensive and angry. I hope she takes some to deal with what she is going through internally and then makes an informed decision on whether she should return to the various platforms that may have caused some of the stress. We are all human which means we all have our bad moments, but it also means that we are capable of making positive changes when we need to.
I think that kind of people should understand that not everything revolves around being trans, and Hens has no way of knowing if the person they are talking to (especially in anonymous mode) is this or that
@@AaronDukeYT Actually she uses that as an identity irl aswell. According to herself in a now deleted tweet. Which is weird. Im onboard with what u r saying otherwise tho.
I think it's wild that something as colloquial as 'that's crazy' ( as in 'Damn, that's crazy' and 'Crazy you'd day that') is being turned into an apparent 'ableist' attack and 'transphobic'. I don't like the way that we are taking words with a really serious meanings and throw it at any inconvenience ever to get people attacked. Like why must we demean the seriousness of these words bc bohoo, someone disagreed with me.
What the lack of a psychologist can do to a person. Bro, I feel like the world would be a lot better if everyone would go to the psychologist at least every other month
@@apathyzombie1966 What if she was lying about seeing one? the way she's been the same even while "seeing a therapist" sure shows that's likely the case, that she was lying.
I know Jane personally, having been part of the DbD Italy community for some time. Jane is not a bad person. For those who do not know her origins, she comes from a very problematic part of Italy, let alone being transgender. With this, however, I do not want to justify her actions. Her behaviour was really bad. But I think this should be a good opportunity for all of us. Jane certainly needs to work on herself, but let's be understanding. A person who makes a mistake must be helped and corrected. How can you expect to improve the community of Dbd in the first place and of the web in general if you don't help the people who need it? Let us all learn from this and try to be a little better. thank you
I unfollowed her on twitter ages ago because it started to feel she was purposely farming negative attention Transphobia and ableism is an ongoing issue, it is out there, no denying that
I had to deal with Jane trying to destroy my name and tried to accuse me of being transphobic in this circumstance because I called out her behavior. There were lots of people who defended me. I was glad people knew my character enough to vouch for me because she could ha e done harm to my content.
@AaronDukeGame yes, and I agree with all the points you made, but at the same time... I don't feel this video should have been made. It was a topic that those most affected wanted dead and done. This just really just keeps it alive in our minds when we all just want the best for Jane. I don't think this contributes to a positive solution for Jane.
@@darkron288 because of the comment above yours. I wish her well and that she gets the help she needs to feel at peace, but with people like this douchebag above it’s gonna take a while.
I feel that Jane must’ve been so tired & hurt from the attacks she’s received that she somehow connected the dots from someone using “crazy” as their reaction to her opinion to it somehow being a transphobic attack. I hope she gets some rest & perhaps finds someone to talk to.
I personally matched up against a couple of months ago and wanna tell my story, as we all know it's skull merchant so I went 5 min or less into matched and she was hardcore camping and kick less then5% progressed gens in Solo que, none the less I dced after wasting Abit of her time and at endgame chat I asked solid questions, no attacks or nothing about certain builds for skull merchant, Jane/ Ariana then barely replied I went next and talk Bs about the killer in general that skull merchant is all about just keeping a 3 gen and takes 0 brain. Jane/ ariana then took it personal and just left a very hate full message in my chat while we both were streaming without no response when I asked about the hateful message she left whatsoever just assuming the worst and taking the victim role. I then checked her vod and she even assumed from my endgame chat in game that I was giving her advice or like almost telling her how to play skull merchant and pety me or putting me on the low end for asking simple question like does this build works on skull. I then later found out that Jane/Adriana irl wants to change name to Adriana and become almost one irl with skull merchant I was like wtf.
Jane is a bad person, they hurt other people beacuse they took a comment to personal? Not excusable. Especially knowing how volatile twitter is and seeing this is a habit of em. Instead of being better they made it worse and played the victim card. Terrible person imo
her pronouns are she/her. please do not misgender her by using gender neutral pronouns. I'm sure you don't mean it as its just easy to refer to people you don't know with gender neutral pronouns, however this reads as degendering a trans woman.
Here I go: I know I hurt many friends, many followers and, expecially, the trans people I always wanted to try to uplift and defend. I've no excuses for my attitude: hurting someone, if you're hurt yourself, will only cause more harm. I have no will to share the events that bringed me to my mental breakdown, because whatever the events were I had to be stronger, taking the signs and logging off those medias that were hurting me (Twitter in primis). Twitter in particular is a platform that lacks of any form of moderation: seeing my face used everyday to create hurtful accounts pushed me to my lowest point, also because reports did absolutely nothing. I'm not a strong person, not because I couldn't deal to these attacks, but because I wasn't able to recognise how already broken I was and that I needed help before losing faith in everything, included the people who were trying to help and support me in these hard times. I take accountability of every wrong action I committed here and I'll work harder and harder during the next months to correct these wrong sides of myself, to find that kind of joy I lost, with the support I need from therapist, etc... I think that Twitter is not an healthy place for me in general and I recognise that as my personal limit and I've to accept it. The first step was reaching my therapist and getting into more medicines to help with my anxiety and depression, also reaching my family and my only friend who still lives in my hometown (all the other ones moved away for professional reasons). However, I'm not going to take a break in general: I think that if you make mistakes, really bad mistakes, you still put your face out there and face the consequences of what you've done. I accept and understand the disappointment and the anger of former followers, fellow content creators and also friends I really cared about (but that I understand for taking the choice of taking distance from me): escaping is not the way. I made mistakes and I pay for these, putting my face into it and not escaping from my responsibilities. Holding up to my mistakes, accepting that what I did was wrong, understanding what to improve and keep doing the few things I can do decently is the way I want to afford this whole situation. I'm better than this, even if I understand who doesn't want to trust me anymore, they're in the right of standing to this position and actions and not just words have to prove things differently. Thank you for the call out, that I deserved because what I did was wrong, but also for giving context, that in no way justifies my actions. I hope in the future we can reach each other on more positive notes and I can be able to promote the same kind of positivity I was aiming to before starting to not believe in a possibility of a better world. Wishing to you and everyone else I "betrayed" the best possible Summer.
@@AaronDukeYT The best is what I'll try to do. I appreciate you and thank you again for the service you do for this community: my respect for you is not changed, your honesty is appreciated.
Very disappointed in her but I hope her break helps her mentally. I've seen too many people act this way and not take accountability in their actions and end up in a worse position then before. 😢
@@tomasadam4522 if you dont agree with the idea of being transgender, I won’t judge you for that. But this guy has 20+ comments on this video just going around saying “he” under every single comment for absolutely no reason. If you think that is “normal” and that this guy isn’t miserable and living a useless life where he can spend his time on social media adding nothing productive to a single conversation, then by all means go ahead and believe that. But his behavior is a reflection of his sad empty life.
Any transphobia I see in the comments will result in a ban from the channel. Use that energy to go and show love, it’s better for everyone involved 💙
@@Bigballermvp Those things weren't immediately relevant to this current ongoing drama.
@@Bigballermvp That's odd, I don't see you doing any of that.
@@Montoak maybe because I have 20 subs 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Why can’t y’all keep this same energy when it comes to racism against black people😒😒😒🙄 How many of y’all are secretly mad about that national anthem video…👀
how do you ban?
Using cries of transphobia and ableism to shield yourself from any criticism is so disgusting and takes so much away from actual victims of those things.
I hate it as i have ASD and i have hell time getting a job once they find out i have it i instantly get way way less shifts or straight up let go. Too see someone use the word ableist to shield themsleves just pisses me off.
@@romeunleashed2 Same, when they asked for info about that stuff, I lied to not outright say I had it.
@@dabihwow5550 I can't lie here sadly or i would lol.
@@romeunleashed2 Worst part is that I hate how people downplay people with ASD like they're defective. I don't think I'm defective, I'm just different. But when I say this people label me, saying I truly don't have ASD. Calling me an ableist, and devaluing my words, because I refused to use my disorder as a shield. It pisses me off!
@@dabihwow5550 I don't understand that they except you to use something to defend yourself with but when you do they will just say back your just using your disorder to defend your bad behaviour. There is no winning at all.
Only time i say i have it now is when i need to explain why i can't eat infront of people or i can't touch people. Other then that no-one needs to know.
To describe Jane is pretty much, “being a victim doesn’t give you the right to hurt others.”
The Hens situation was so ridiculous. Hens seems like such a nice guy and did absolutely nothing wrong. Weaponizing your own identity, which should never be attacked, is imo one of the lowest things someone could do.
I don't like that he apologized but I respect that he did it, some battles are best left unfought
Honestly she’s just a bully and has been for a while, and whenever she’s called out on anything she’s done she throws around different “phobics” and “ableist” at any given moment. I hate to say it but I’m glad she’s finally getting backlash from what she’s done and i hope she learns from it
I hope she learns from it all too but I don’t agree with the attacks she’s been getting as a result. I don’t think that kind of thing is helpful
@@AaronDukeYT oh I 100% agree the attacks are uncalled for, unwarranted and disgusting and should not happen at all, but with the way her behaviour has been for a while now I do think it’s a good thing she now has some backlash as hopefully it can help her learn and grow
@@AaronDukeYT You might not agree with them, but they are expected and its not surprising. I myself have felt disrespected by Jane and I cant truthfully say that im not laughing my ass off at the hate theyre getting. Like p10dylans said, hopefully these "attacks" will have Jane realise that the way they were acting was wrong.
@@AaronDukeYT I doubt she's learning about this judging from the last stream she made, she's going to play victim until the day she dies, she's surrounded herself with yes men and is playing the "Everyone else is wrong and I'm right" mindset
You reap what you sow. A bully gets criticized and crys like a victim. Needs therapy.
The Hens situation was insane, that woman needs serious therapy.
@@Mutantdogfangsgtfo, bigot.
@@Mutantdogfangsstfu she’a a woman. If you can’t accept that then gtfo of the comment section and leave your unasked opinion to yourself. Thanks
I'm a trans DBD streamer and CZcamsr, and I hope Jane respectfully does not come back. I'm tired of trans creators and figureheads giving the trans community bad rep. She has my respect as a fellow queer creator, but she has done many disgusting things and I don't want her to continue to act as a trans creator, as it will only damage the community. I'm very grateful for everyone speaking out against her and further grateful that those who do, are still respectful to the trans community. Thank you everyone, and have a great day!
@@Guts-the-Berserker Dude, it's just a word, you need to get over yourself. If someone changed their name would you still use their old name because that's what they were 'actually' named? It's dumb, you get nothing out of it and you just act like a dick towards someone that didn't do anything to you. Trans people know what they are, they don't need you going 'Acthually 🤓' and explaining to them how biology works. They ask to be called a certain pronoun and you won't have your dick chopped if you do so. Alternatively, you have the option of not interacting with them and continue your day.
@@Guts-the-BerserkerMate why u so obsessed with how she wants to be. Its not hard to even be very slightly respectful is it? grow up
She gets a LOT of shit for being a Trans creator - but she does jump to phobia an awful lot, as do many of her fans who claimed they were being tunneled because of the Pride charms... despite the fact almost all of us have those charms on.
Yes, I have been tunneled a fuck ton lately and yes, I use Pride charms exclusively - but it's not a causation. I get tunneled because I am a dumbass who often slams (literally) into the killer am an easy kill - charms mean nothing.
chromosomophobia 💀. if you don't like trans folks then shut up and look the other way lol. i'll never get why transphobes are always looking for someone to insult
@@tomasadam4522No, you're a sex. Your gender is nothing but social standards for what is masculine and what is feminine.
Crazy that she thinks people aren't allowed to disagree with her because she's trans. No, cis people should not speak over trans people when they are speaking on trans issues. However, this was not a trans issue. The problem was her demeanor when someone disagreed with her opinion. This was absolutely a painful watch. As an ally for trans people, it's really hard to watch certain creators use their gender identity as a way to avoid criticism altogether. It really gives people the wrong idea of trans people in general, and tarnishes their appearances in these online spaces. I hope she can see the error in her ways, apologize, and move on from this situation.
I unfortunately see that alot, when someone is part of a minoirty that has been historicallly oppressed they use their race, indenity or what ever as a shield from cricitism and it is awful every time
Jane is literally a manipulation master, an emotional vampire, the way she weaponizes her transgender status and cries transphobia whenever someone disagrees or dislikes something she says, that's insane! The fact that it took this long for people to give her shit for this is baffling, better late than never i guess
I think regardless if a person is cis or trans, if they have more knowledge about the subject they can "speak over" the other group.
It's like a bald barber expert giving advice to a hairy non expert average person, I'll leave who should "speak over" the other up to you
@@Yoshiinitepeople shouldn’t be giving her shit tho that’s just making it worse cause makes you no better then the way she’s acting rn
@@boopthief2668 If people didn't give her shit she'd still be on twitter right now doubling down on all of this, some people need to get smacked on the back of the head to learn a lesson, fight fire with fire.
There are times where someone has to learn a lesson the hard way, people TRIED so hard to help her learn what she was doing was wrong and she called all of them transphobic lol I saw it all go down, transgender allies and all, she called them transphobic all the same, she was basically just blinded by her need to feel like the victim. :/
Aaron, thank you for highlighting Jane verbally assaulting my friend, live on stream. Shes deleted that VOD btw. I appreciate you so much for shedding light on the whole situation. This gives me hope for everyone as a community, so that we’re able to come together and stop this madness. Thank you, have a blessed day. ❤
@@tomasadam4522Jane is a She. And as little respect I have for her, I am not going to misgender her. You are a bigot, and need to educate yourself.
@tomasadam4522 I've seen a lot of comments from you. Are you ok, buddy?
I hope your friend is doing alright and that there aren't too many people attacking on Jane's behalf. Jane's behavior here is absolutely not okay and I just hope that everyone she's hurt overcomes this.
@@tomasadam4522just cause you don’t like ✨her✨ does not give you the right to be transphobic. 🙄
@@kawaiiTuna I appreciate that, thank you for the kind words.
the problem is, no matter what a persons going through. anyone who lashes out and mistreats others is going to have opinion of them take a nosedive. Jane should probably take a break if she can for her own wellbeing
Very true!
I feel like a break is not going to help at all, she needs actual help, like a therapist's help, like talk to a professional, get the mental state checked out, not just lay down in bed doing nothing but be alone with her thoughts, that'd be so much worse, like a ticking time bomb
@@Yoshiinite know what, that's a very good point i hadn't considered
@@Yoshiiniteof course. I do not know her, and this is just a vague assumption in which I could be very wrong, but maybe the person who assimilated their own identity with that of a dead by daylight character isn’t doing the best mentally? Her actions described in this video definitely point to that being the case
@@TheCreepyLantern She needs to get a mental check asap, i've seen her "take breaks" which amounted to nothing, she'd just come back to twitter a couple days later to repeat the cycle
What she does is NOT a defense. She is gaslighting and accusing people of random isms however she pleases, like in that discord screenshot. Nevermind that the "as a cis person you ought to shut up" line is just absolutely disgusting from someone who claims to fight against inequality. Just because someone has a different gender identity or sexuality than her does not make their opinion more or less correct or valuable.
Edit: Fully agree with your closing words however. Dont go after her, dont spread misinformation or hate about her. And hope she changes for the better eventually.
I agree! And again, I’m not trying to defend her, I’m more trying to explain the actions as best I can
@@AaronDukeYT I understand. I just get worked up about stuff like this because what is going to happen is that people who mean real harm to the LGBTQ+ community will cherry pick this as an example and go "See? Look! Thats how horrible 'these people' are!" and we have to be better than that. We cannot give them ammunition.
@@Guts-the-Berserkerwhat's with the transphobia?
@@ItsBearD this gotta be bait esp with that username 💀yt edgelords
@@puretestoster1 fr lol that name is crazy. I'm just tired of all this racism and hate why cant we all get along.
What you say from 10:06 onwards is my massive issue with her. She’s created a brand around being THE Jane Romero, almost as though she’s basing her entire identity around the character, including her transition and goals within that. She has no separation between her real life identity and her online/game one, because she’s not allowed them to be separate.
This. She also felt attacked regarding the recent Tournament and she felt like her main, Skull Merchant, having certain rules/parameters for use after weeks of multiple CCs/TOs making the rules, but Jane felt like it was an attack on her personally. It's okay to like something enough to identify it, but you can't then take any disagreement as an attack.
This.
I've seen people attach their entire existence to characters, and it's *not* healthy.
I worried that could have been a transphobic opinion to have for some time, but in hindsight, it's more akin to disliking Impersonation or Identity Theft.
I was very much shocked when I first found out there was a Content Creator *named* Jane Romero after the character-- and frankly with how many bad experiences I've had with people who do that I've been genuinely uncomfortable with it.
I believe that JaneRomeroShow made a couple statements about how she identified more with Adriana than Jane, but struggled to switch her branding.
That's likely what sparked this situation, as she saw *herself* as Adriana, and when people make statements about disliking the character she became incredibly hostile and had no hesitation to sick her community on them.
I hope that she does take some time off and come back with a better mindset, but more importantly I hope she returns with a sense of self, rather than living through the identity of a fictional character.
That would obviously come with a rebrand, not to Adriana or Jane, but to an identity of her own.
Everyone deserves to *be* someone, someone that is unique to them, and not a character created by another person.
I've seen Jane for the first time a few months ago when twitter continued to show me her stuff. Back then she identified as Skull Merchant and all. I saw her lash out on another player live on stream during a match because people continued to DC against her. What was even worse what that the Ada she told to "git gud" and was incredibly rude to live on stream was the one survivor who continued playing until the very end and never gave up... as a result they got Jane's hate. Then she posted a screenshot of the endgame screen on twitter to complain about people DC'ing against her, the postgame chat was purposefully hidden in this. That already made me familiar with her manipulation and gaslighting.
What I find incredible unfortunate is that she acts pretty much exactly like the negative stereotype transphobes/conservatives have of trans people, especially trans women. The way she lashes out, is extremely sensitive and will label everything as transphobia just aids in perpetuating this very stereotype. Her behavior alienates LGTBQ+ people and allies while also attracting and helping transphobes. That's a shame and the last thing I wish for the community of a game that I love playing. I hope that she takes a looong look into herself and can come back a better person. If not I hope she doesn't return.
I really hate doing this, but i think jane is genuinely not a good person, they have in the past, tried to cancel other creators, harassed other creators, actively hurt the trans community by using the term transphobia when ever they were backed in to the corner, and sent their followers to harass other community memebers. i cannot in good conscious say she is a person that should come back. I don't care if she's trans, i'm bi myself but she has actively made it harder to be the community as a lgbtq+, when ti was already hard to begin with because dbd can be quite cruel to minorities.
You really should replace "they" with "she" here. Regardless of your opinion on her, using her pronouns is basic respect. She really doesn't seem to be a good person, though, I agree with you there.
@@Guts-the-Berserker what en edge lord
@@leonbabygirlkennedywhat? “They” is a general pronoun that can be used to describe anyone. I describe people in stories etc. like that all the time. Why do you think there is something wrong with that?
@@brianestepa2376yeah i never understood this mentality its super stupid lol. Dunno why its become a thing recently.
@@leonbabygirlkennedy They is gender neutral, you can use it for anybody. It isn't being used to disrespect her gender identity.
I know that being trans is hard but it's definitely not a get out of jail free card. I feel like connecting everything with your trans identity gives people just a bigger attack spot. As a trans girl myself I tend to not talk about my trans identity unless necessary. In my opinion being trans (also gay, lesbian etc) shouldn't be your personality because I think it just ends up like this where you feel like everyone attacks you personally. In the end I'd like to say a positive thing and that's I started hrt a week ago and I hope that other trans people can reach that goal as well.
Congratulations on starting hrt! You go girl!
Congratulations on this major step in your journey!! ❤
You go, girl!
Trying to cancel hens333 is crazy literally the chillest dude
most dbd youtubers are pretty chill which is really nice
how could hens have known who she was if she was anonymous??? literally if she had stopped to think for a moment it wouldn’t have been an issue at all
I feel like she uses the discrimination she receives as a god complex, she brings the fact that she's trans into completely unrelated subjects and "wins the argument" because she is trans and they aren't
What brings my anxiety up is that as a viewer of Jane, I first brought up the comparison of Plague and Skull Merchant in one of her streams a while back, and she heavily agreed with me, and we had a short conversation about it. Makes me feel oddly connected to this, lol.
Her over reaction ain’t nothing on you.
It’s fine if you agree with that opinion she posted, as long as you don’t attack those who don’t agree with you 😅
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@@Guts-the-BerserkerGuts would never say such a thing 😢
The problem with getting attacked so relentlessly like that.... Is that you slowly stop being able to discern what is constructive criticism and what is not.
100%!
for me the only times i've seen overwhelming hate is when she started something that she shouldn't have. From my perspective, she seems to continuously welcome the hate and foster it by making as many people mad as possible, and presenting everything in the most uncharitable way. This has all just finally come to a head. Shes always been kinda like this. She was not pushed here, she made it and has been living it. I dont think we should act like anything else besides her got us to this point.
It's for this reason that i wish Jane all the best, I'm not angry that she is doing these things, if anything i pity her.
It's a damn shame that things got to this point that she feels attacked over criticism over a take over a video game.
For her and everyone else it's best if she walks away to find the time to breath so that she's in the right frame of mind to act as a content creator who represents the trans community in dbd.
Yep, as someone who was bullied all throughout school and even now into adulthood (in more subtle ways than a teenager could ever come up with) you do have a hard time discerning legit criticism from actual bullying behaviour. That said, it's never good to lash out at everyone and claim that everyone is an ist or a phobe. 😅 Seriously, I hope Jane does better, I hope she improves, but I also won't be surprised if she doubles down.
Transgender and Transphobia has nothing to do with this. She just used it as a shield when she got backlash which is just a spit in the face to those who are unfortunately being discriminated against specifically for their sexuality.
@@Guts-the-Berserkershut the fuck up, its okay if you don't like jane (I don't either) but don't disrespect her identity
@tomasadam4522 honestly you are just playing into the game by being transphobic with misgendering her. Multiple comments in this section point out that just bc she's done bad things does not deprive her of being treated with basic human decency. Sorry for ranting bout this miss.
She has done bad things. People have also done bad things to her to push her into this mindset. Neither are justified imo. This video is a good summary and I agree with everything that was said tbh.
omg I used to play against her a few times when she called herself adriana skully. She would basically make the game as unfun as possible and then when people gave up, shed make fun of it while the community would yes mam her the whole time. It was exhausting, because there was no point in engaging in her echo chamber.
@@Guts-the-Berserker damn now I have to think about deleting my comment because of your ignorant one.
As a trans person myself, it really hurts to see things like this keep happening. Whenever trans creators turn out to be bad people, it really hurts the community as a whole when other people see this and assume that the whole community is this way. I appreciate you making this video though, it just sucks seeing how her behavior will just be used to fuel disrespect and hatred towards the trans community.
I really so hope she gets help though, her life is so absorbed by internet drama and that can quickly lead to not being able to think rationally when all she does it respond to it because she assumes that every critique or opinion is a personal attack against her, sinking herself into a deeper hole. Thank you again for discussing this matter though, it's nice seeing a stance with no bias against either side.
@@Guts-the-Berserker what? what are you talking about?
@@damien3354they're a generic transphobe ignore em
Is there even an actual 'trans community'? I feel like if there was a central trans community that could disavow said individuals, call them out and put them in their place and stop giving them a green light to 'represent' the whole community they'd lose a lot of pull. There is a trans minority like Jane, who are 'twitter activists' that just go around being toxic and then claiming transphobia and shit like that on the slightest show of distaste from the people or communities they try to dig for drama. It's quite annoying as I have trans friends and they are absolutely nothing like those people but most outsiders don't realize that. Because all they see are people like Jane. People who think everyone should be an 'ally' regardless of if they just don't want to bother with that issue, and so on. They literally go around making enemies for trans people with their behavior and it's usually random trans individuals that pay for it as they don't have a large community to shield them from the results of the actions of said toxic individuals. It's truly sad.
Babe listen. Any decent person doesnt tar everyone with the same brush. One bad egg doesnt shake a real ally. Remember that.
I never had a problem with Jane
But I've always seen how seriously she takes this game and that made me not want to really follow her work
I never sent hate or looked in her direction at all
But I've always seen this side of her because I have irl experience with people who use her same manipulation tactics
And wondered why nobody tried to talk to her about it before this drama happend
I hope everyone involved in this situation comes out ok,
especially Jane and hopefully she gets the help she needs because she has followers who truly care about her
I’m pretty surprised this video was made before one about Junebug, who allegedly lied to a friend about their illnesses/hospitalizations and claimed they were actively dying while threatening to self harm. Jane’s story has been beat to death at this point and is much less serious imo to a man whose actions have been brushed under the rug + still somehow has a platform
Jane is absolutely notorious for her victim mentality, but Junebug's weaponized victim mentality and open use of death/un-aliving baiting for sympathy and to get out of the consequences of June's own actions is certainly up there. And unlike Jane, Junebug still has friends in high places willing to excuse that behavior and sweep legitimate concerns under the rug.
The fallout of Jane's saga, meanwhile, with the blatant ableism, transphobia and homophobia rearing its hydra heads, is all but validating many of the things she's said (in a general sense) about how hateful people in this playerbase can be.
Where can I read up on this? Did anyone make a vid on it?
@@vampirebottom Junebug is getting a video made for him, and Swarm too, since Swarm took his side despite all the stuff that was shown of Junebug so it'll be two birds with one stone
God it's such a shame how rotten the DBD community can be with the big users in it
Personally, and saying this as a gay man, I could never want to use my sexuality as a weapon, as Jane does with her identity, because I feel that it entirely defeats the purpose of all the hard work and dedication to the cause of giving us equality by those who were strong enough to lead it and be a part of it.
If we’re just going to recreate the behaviour that caused us to take a stand in the first place then we’re placing ourselves in a war all over again
@@tomasadam4522 Wrong.
@@tomasadam4522 Wrong, she is a woman.
@@anna.luv3invest time in a hobby
One of the most important lessons I learned when trying to deal with why I was such a broken mess around people, was learning that scars run deep. It's so hard to not physically and mentally shrink and feel weak at times, and defence starts to kick in poorly. It's ruined friendships where I personally ran from problems till it destroyed a personally important place I felt safe.
I can kinda see Jane's side due to that. It's a bit armchair psychology, and that's a very bad place to be. I understand. I'm just speaking from the fact I see that fight or flight, and then a mistake chain reactions.
Hens calls literally everyone and everything "bro" and "dude".
Thank you for bringing the issue of people fusing their identity to their opinions up. Its a super toxic trait that many people online engage in and makes any potential discussion and growth impossible
"I have a disability, you're abelist if you disagree with me." "I'm religious, you're a sinner if you disagree with me." "I'm trans, you're a transphobe if you disagree with me." "I'm gay, you're homophobic if you disagree with me." "I'm a minority, you're racist if you disagree with me."
People have been shielding themselves with this bullshit for years and it's only getting worse. You literally can't say anything without being called something, it's so stupid. These people make one thing their whole identity because they literally have nothing better to do and attack everyone for it.
Well at a time in which transphohia has become extremely common and the platform she uses has been pushing it, more people will inevitably respond to any criticism more defensively. If you log on and are met with constant criticism just for existing it's easy to lose perspective and start caring too much about the minor shit too.
The minority of people that end up in this kind of toxic spiral though definitely aren't preventing anyone from saying anything. Based on community response it evidently doesn't work.
I saw what was going on, but I tried to stay out of it. I've been kinda out of the loop, and don't want to get involved in a huge Twitter argument drama.
That’s fair! Do what’s best for you
The issue with Jane has always been the same. She's extremely negative, extremely combative, and anytime someone says/does something people disagree with she blames them and says they're nothing but transphobes. I think for community sake she needs to not return. She has left nothing but negative impressions of the game AND trans people.
@@Mutantdogfangs Okay weird way to be transphobic dude
Because you guys kept bothering Jane. Throwing transphobia insults in in-game chat and twitter, all of that breaks Jane. Leave Jane alone
@@Paramore_your_Decode People who were being transphobic sure, they were ass holes. But that doesn't excuse Janes actions and the things they've done. Making a huge call out post about a tournament not letting her play SM and then calling them transphobic because of that? Not excusable. This person is constantly negative and a detriment to the DBD community and should not be given a platform.
Seems like Jane is a perpetual victim and lives for the drama she causes.
I used to really enjoy watching her content and streams so it hurts a bit now to see that whenever she feels attacked or backed into a corner she does have that knee jerk reaction. we can all learn something about kindness from this situation. I hope when jane does come back she’s happy, healthy, and in a better mindset. hurt people hurt people and a break is well needed
If you're looking for a trans dbd creator I HIGHLY recommend Spookysnowflake! I've been subscribed to her twitch for two months now, and I adore her with my whole heart, she's become one of my friends so quickly and she's so incredibly welcoming and will talk to everyone in chat, she lifts everyone up and gives heartwarming advice when you're feeling down. She's also just so incredibly funny and wild! I hope at least one person here will check her out, she deserves all the love in this world. 💜
Spookysnowflake is awesome for sure!
me as well! im a small trans streamer :)
@@ObeseityRatreally hope you can grow :). (This isn’t any shot at you, I honestly want your channel to grow in streaming)
Jane has always been this way though. I don't understand how people can say this is a reaction from her being attacked constantly when this is what she's always done. The trans attacks were very much real, i'm not taking that away from her, but the issue here is that she's always been reactionary towards the negativity. She'll take a couple of negative replies on twitter after making some really controversial hot takes and use that to boost her "positive community branding". She hides behind this toxic positivity that she surrounds herself in constantly and needs to be in the spotlight. Jane has done this since the start but not many people have been around her long enough to notice. A lot of us have, and a lot of us know of her tweet and delete behaviors when a post doesn't go as "viral" as she wants. Even during all this constant stuff now, the moment she realized that it wasn't going her way she started deleting posts left and right and stalking about needing "a break". this is who she is and trying to give her the benefit of the doubt is only going to enable her behavior more and more.
great video! I was wondering when this was gonna be covered. great video!
Thank you! 💙
man the drama is already over and i didnt even know it started
That’s not a bad thing 😂😂
Glad you made a video about this, I had every now and then seen them post on twitter in response to a tweet, or as a response on one of their tweets and they always seemed to be coming from a place of hostility with no provocation. I had muted them some time back, and I implore anyone that sees them on Twitter or Twitch, just ignore and/or mute them. It's better for you, it's better for them. I hope they get the help they need.
Oh geez I saw one post on Twitter and was a bit interested because Jane kept popping up in my feed for a while. Wasn’t expecting to see you cover this.
This has been going on for a very long time and I’m surprised it took so many people this long to realize. I guess it was a creeping issue and this was just the straw that broke the camel’s back. I hope she can take a well needed break and get the help she needs.
This game has the most dramatic and stupid community. Players that played for thousands of hours don't know the difderence between real life and DBD world
Exactly. It annoys me
This is the best place to write my experience with Jane
-One year ago i played with her as teammates in solo queue, i didn't even knew who was she (you know many TTV users and rarely are still active) but she had the twitch shirt, so i tried to play good, (not sure if it was a Legion or Plague) but she the entire game played horrible, worst than a bot (brought us the killer, chases of 5 secs, self caring the entire game, exploding gens constantly, etc) In endgame chat i type "So this is the kind of streamers that BHVR gave the twitch shirt, the ones that act like BOTS, but people like Azhymov, MintSkull, Zubat, OtakuFanSite that play better or provided different content, no" She went crazy, calling me "transphobic" "inferior human being" etc. Until i realize who was she and what kind of objective wanted to complete in the community i tried to fix the bad choice of words, she never accepted the misunderstood and later posted a image of the endgame chat like "So my content supporting trans rights are less important than the DbD lore" (obviously she posted the first thing, not my sorry) i checked some of her streamings and must of them when she was camped, she said that the killer do that because is transphobe and is targeting her, after that incident i simply ignore her because 40 minutes later she deleted it.
-Three week later i face against her as Skull Merchant in Dead Dawg Saloon, i had the nickname of "FYouSkullMerchant" because i don't like the killer and most players takes you hostage for 40 minutes, we did all the gens, she camped hooked Nancy with the 3 drones near her, at the end trying to save Nancy we all die, until endgame chat i realize that once again she was Jane Romero TTV and went a bit aggressive just for my username and i remember about her words of camping and i quote "Later you are crying in Twitter that killer camps you, but it is fair if you do it" That thing made her more aggressive after i saw how was really: "Transphobic" "Stalker" "Harasser" "Illegal Inmigrant" I told her that i can't be transphobic or Anti-LGBT if i have a bisexual girlfriend, a closer friend who is gay and has a boyfriendy, a online trans friend who i support her in a toxic environment. "You transphobic always are lying, you take my depression as advantage, the community of Dead by Daylight is bs" and once again posted this time only the lobby like "Guess who is the transphobic" She this time didn't posted the endgame chat because in every comment she told me horrible stuff and casually she wasn't streaming... my "illegal" words vs her word
I watched it go down, and from what I can tell from everything I've seen, is that this was a very serious trauma response, especially seeing how fast this escalated.
I honestly feel sorry for her. I went through a similar experience, not that long ago, with two of my close friends who I thought were gaslighting me. It's scary to be in this kind of head space when you feel like you can not trust anything.
I truly hope she gets the help she needs, it's really hard to get mental health services in most places, but I hope she can get the help she needs.
Trauma responses are not an excuse to abuse other people.
@@Guts-the-Berserker you should give your brain some fresh air and the wall a new paint job
@@Guts-the-Berserkerthe fact you are doing this under every comment shows how obsessed and miserable you are. its actually sad. i pity you.
@agencymenace1090 At what point did I say it's okay to abuse? I'm pointing out that these reactionary responses stem from some serious trauma and that it would help her if she worked through the trauma while also giving a prime example from my own life.
Im not so sure. She has a history of doing this even before she got a lot of attack. Not denying the transphobia (which i completely disagree with in everyway) is very real and she has been affected by that, but this behaviour seems to have started before a lot of that. Also, she has a history of cropping certain things she posts in order to pretend they were transphobic. Honestly, I think the issue is she not happy unless people are talking about here or unless she is a victim. It seems to be her comfort place.
I'm so torn on my feeling towards Jane as a trans woman myself.
Her behavior isn't excusable, but I do think I understand where it's coming from. We're at a point where trans people are being attacked in the media and by state governments on a level of which we haven't seen in 20 years. It's really, really easy to be on high alert at all times and see everything through the lens of transphobia.
On the other hand, when she incorrectly uses transphobia as a shield, she isn't actually calling out transphobia. She is using the entire trans community as a shield for her inappropriate behavior at a time where we're already getting thrown under the bus. She's doing actual harm to our community by devaluing the very real concept of transphobia, putting a massive target on the back of other trans creators.
I'm just really upset by the whole thing and feel like a lot of trans creators will now suffer the consequences of her own poor decisions.
This may sound bad but based on this comment you seem like one of the good trans people. You want to live your life how you want to and be able to express yourself. I don’t support the trans ideology nor am I against it, I believe in supporting a person in how they act.
Recently I’m seeing a lot of people use being trans as an excuse for being unable to find jobs or be treated well but this just makes the whole community look bad. As you said her actions will reflect the entire trans community which isn’t fair because a lot of you just want to live your life.
Apologies for the long comment just rare to see a comment like yours nowadays from my experience
“One of the good trans people” yeah please don’t let the few negative experiences you’ve had with trans individuals to tarnish your whole view on people. People like Jane give a nasty rep and you’ve gotta hopefully look past them and realise they’re just people the same as you and I, but have had some difficulties with their gender identity. I’m not saying you have to agree and support every single trans person you see, just respect them as a person wether you agree with them or not.
@@matthewcochrane9499 I might be about to ruin that by saying I feel iffy about that comment, since saying I'm one of the good ones kinda makes it sound like the average one of us is "bad". I'm sure you meant well, but you're probably just getting shown the worst of us because of how social media tends to work. It's statistically true that we're far less likely to be hired and even less likely to be paid the same if we do get hired in states without proper labor protections. But I DO just want to live my life and express myself. That only really becomes difficult when every day is spent with actual transphobes telling me I'll never be a woman, I should off myself, sending me pictures of people hanging themselves, etc. Which is kind of a daily event as a trans streamer.
I'm lucky enough to have a decent acting career irl and people that support me but not all trans people are as lucky as I am.
But people criticizing me for things completely unrelated to being trans aren't transphobic for doing that. I'll only ever call out transphobia if they're specifically focusing on me being trans. Hating me for other reasons is totally valid. And if someone calls me bro or some shit on an anonymous game like DBD I'm not gonna instantly get mad at them like what happened here.
Guess what I really mean to say is my mentality is kind of the mentality of the average trans person. Most of us just want to live our lives and exist like anyone else as the people we feel we are supposed to be. Just, like most groups, social media and the media in general tend to only amplify the voices of the most controversial of us. Try to not let those of us you see amplified as bad examples ruin your perception of the average trans person.
@@keiracovenrelate x ♾️
@@matthewcochrane9499i get what you are coming from and you prob meant no harm but trans people aren't an ideology, you can not "agree" or "disagree". ideologies are something subjective and the reality of trans people is something objective that exists, no matter what your beliefs are.
I remember the hens incident. I was in hens’ stream when it happened. He was playing billy and Jane (anon Ada from hens’ pov) called his hits unfair. At the time he was visiting the US so he was on US servers. Jane called him a VPNer (untrue) he said some sentence that included the word “bro” and she said one word in reply: “sis” which he took to mean Ada calling hens sis when she actually was correcting him calling her bro. It was a miscommunication that Jane went to twitter for and tried to call him transphobic. Hens is not transphobic.
I remember being blocked because I said that Skull Merchant was poorly designed. Truly thin skin
I haven't caught one of her streams in awhile, but the level of harassment she has experienced previously tends to suggest she has been traumatised and isn't aware that it's affected her as much as it has. When you're constantly attacked it can be very hard to escape a victim POV and your guarding against further attacks goes into overdrive, resulting in kneejerk reactions as highlighted above. If you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. If you've been under persistant attacks, anything that isn't wholly positive can feel like veiled or prelude to an attack, and even positive comments can be received with suspicion.
As you say, a step away would benefit Jane. Social media (even if you aren't a content creator) tends to create a pressure to comment frequently, to reply instantly. Jane's Twitch channel has disappeared, so hopefully she'll spend time with friends and improve her mental wellbeing before coming back/starting a new project.
@@Mutantdogfangs Not even close to the things Jane was dealing with. Try again.
@@Mutantdogfangs You been going through Jane's inbox? Or are you so certain because you're responsible for sending that harassment? If you're going to make claims like that, I'm going to need to see some numbers buddy.
@@Mutantdogfangs And? Still waiting on those numbers, dog. You gonna make claims on knowing everything, you gonna have to show some evidence.
I don’t think Jane is a bad person, I just think she’s been hurt again and again and has adapted a bad coping mechanism. Hopefully her time away helps her heal and pick up healthier coping habits.
If youre coping habit is to hurt people at least a part of you is bad. I've been dealt shit hands and I deal with shit but I don't take it out on others. I feel guilty at just the though of mistreating others because of my own misfortune.
This just makes me sad since I always looked up to Jane. I was so happy to play against her and asked her to sign my profile. She has just always been very kind and this behaviour doesn't suit her at all.
Then again I have seen this a lot from other people in the community. Especially one big streamer who I'm not going to mention. But when people deal with attacks and criticism, at some point they take everything personal and treat it the same way. And often they don't realize, especially when their own fans just blindly follow them.
I hope this break from Twitter helps her to rethink about the whole situation and make an apology.
She’s unhinged I went to see the tweets and I was blocked… I don’t even know them😭
I genuinely hope Jane will be ok in the end.
Sure, she's responded to some of these conflicts in the worst way, but at the same time I don't entirely blame her considering she gets attacked left and right for simply doing anything.
Hopefully things will work out in the end.
She must take the blame fully for her actions, that’s not debatable imo. As I say though, it’s not about excusing her behaviour but trying to understand it
she brings the criticism onto herself. There are very little attacks against anything but her actions. Nothing justifies a person acting in this way. Don't make excuses for her.
@@Guts-the-Berserker you are why its hard to criticize people like this. Stfu
Ohhhh the transphobia in my replies... Ew...
I really hope she finds peace and in the future can interact with the community in a lighter manner
@@tomasadam4522 Hey, you have a typo. It is "she".
@@tomasadam4522 You have way too much free time to spend on being a transphobe. Lmao.
Thank you for making this, Aaron. Seeing all the people Jane has hurt and betrayed throughout this entire situation has utterly and completely obliterated all love and respect I ever had for her. I can't in good conscience support someone who lashes out like this and has absolutely zero remorse. Truthfully, I hope she stays gone from the content creator space and moves on to other things, because I don't see her as ever being capable of amending her behavior. Especially after learning how many times she's gone down similar roads before only to repeat the same issues over and over again.
Your coverage of this was very respectful and well-delivered, though, and I always appreciate your takes in matters like these. 💙
@@tomasadam4522 were you shaken as a baby? or perhaps dropped on your head? the mistake that your mother has made by not swallowing you whenever she had a chance is immeasurable
Thank you for making this video. I saw the whole thing going down on Twitter, and as someone who noticed Jane's red flags in the past but felt like I couldn't speak up without being in the wrong, it feels validating to know a community centerpiece like you sees it as such.
It sucks that 3 positive trans role models for people have came out as bad people.
Jane,Zcarlo and Zach.
Maybe people should stop looking for role models on social media and video game spaces.
zcarlo was a positive trans role model?? 😨
Jane is not a bad person, She overreacted and she needs to take a break and think. But she is indeed not a bad person
@@elacolyte1983 If she attacked Hens and tried to cancel him she's definitely not a good person and that type of person is a real bad rep for the trans community. If she at least didn't make it about being trans or brought attention to it on every breath I wouldn't mind it so much, but having trans friends I can't even believe anyone would support Jane unless they hate the trans community and want to see it burn by getting more people to hate on them.
Please people, don't send your fans to harassed others, show private messages on twitter or twitch.
You put it so well. I have never seen someone twist every negative interaction into them being the victim like she has on Twitter. It's really messed up and sad. I hope she takes a much needed break. She obviously cannot emotionally handle being online and interacting with people. I just don't really think she will ever admit any wrong doing sadly.
I agree with you Duke 👍 People need to separate these things so they don't fool themselves. Although it's so much easier said than done when there's emotions been stirred up for a while.
Good riddance the victim hood is hilarious
so as a trans woman i disagree with her opinion does that make me a transphobic?
I hate it when someone gets mad at someone else just because of who they main.
A really fair compilation of events, thank you for this vid, very educational to be able to look at both sides
Delete your social medias and watch your mental health skyrocket over the next week.
I had to draw my support from Jane after all this. She refuses to accept she can make mistakes and be a bad person just because shes trans.
And as a trans person myself thats just ridiculous. I and many stood by her when she was wronged. She needs to learn that simply because you are part of a minority doesnt mean you cant fuck up and thats the biggest problem.
The tweet that made me step away was when she made a tweet that she was upset bigger DBD creators didn't step in to defend her on the whole "crazy" situation. It feels more like she just wants attention at this point and I hate saying that because she truly has faced extreme transphobia but its starting to feel like she uses transphobia as an accusation where none was made.
Im not mad at her, Im just dissapointed
I remember when i first starter watxhing hed ahe was so sweet n kind and wasnt she aiming to be a fog whisperer so many were rooting for her and now everything haz gone downhill for her its heart breaking to see this happening she had such positive energy n love for evergone ahe will be in my prayers and hope she will find heeself in a better mental state of mind and take some time to find that inner peace and well being ❤
only thing i remember about this streamer is that i once, in her chat said "jane bad af" and meant it as in the character being bad as in attractive, she thought i attacked her for maining jane💀💀
@@Guts-the-Berserker yeah i don't rlly care
I do feel bad for her but calling people transphobic because they disagreed with her just wasnt right i agree that she needs a break
It absolutely isn’t right, and it devalues when people call out actual transphobia imo
I hate to say it, but I knew this was bound to happen. Think about it: why on earth did Jane suddenly say that she personally felt attached to Adriana's (skull merchant) character as a whole when the character can be summed up as a narcissist that can only see the end results of things being nothing but what she wants and will anything to get to it? It felt really sudden, but as this has been unfolding I started to see how she considered skull merchant as her new personal character, which saddens me since I've seen Jane as a awesome figure in the dbd community fall from grace
Not related to the video, but to the comment section. Aaron wasn't playing about those bans. I see so many comments and replies where people reply to a user that doesn't have a comment. Someone even said they must be telling with a name like YT Edgelord 😅😅
Thank you for this! I knew there was some drama but I had no idea where to start! Great video
Jane, more often than not, has used her identity as a reason to harass others when they share an opinion. Any time somebody tries to tell her something constructive she resorts to manipulation and, pardon me if this is not the correct usage here, narcissistic behavior. I know as a trans person online she’s definitely faced her share of bullying but now she’s taking any real attacks on her and using them as a weapon to beat down anyone. It’s really harmful and unfair to people who simply have a differing opinion than her with no malicious intent.
I understand she’s been the victim many times, but she’s been using the victim perspective too freely as of late. She is out of touch and needs to take accountability. She’s painting herself as the biggest victim and tarnishing the reputation of not only herself, but DBD queer creators. I do not support attacking her, that won’t help anything. But she needs to take accountability and leave the internet. It’s proven to be an unhealthy place for her.
Losing an audience and an online presence is what she needs, because too often I’ve seen her fly off the handle and that’s not okay. I hope she improves and does better with her mental health, but I believe it’s time for her to go away for her own good. Much love, all xx
@@Mutantdogfangs all you post is cringe, just stop lmao
i do hope you're gonna address junebug aswell
He is, i think he's pulling up all the shit Junebug has done, and Swarms may be going down with him too
Don't actually know this Jane (twitter just really wanted me to know this) but it reminds me of a experiment some people did.
A bunch of people had to go to a job interview while wearing fake scars on their face to see if it would have a effect on the interview. Right before going in however they said they needed to adjust some final stuff and unbeknowest to the participants removed those scars.
After the test the vast mayority said the scars made a big impact on the interview while some even felt the scars were mentioned and they felt attacked.
When you feel like you are being a victim the brain being the expert pattern finders that it is is going to look for confirmation of that.
To the point of seeing it everywhere.
Doesn't excuse the behaviour ofcourse but purely psychologically i can understand why she reacted the way she did
I dont know who this person is but just another reason why leaving DBDs toxic community was one of the best decisions for my mental health.
Crazy?
I was crazy once
They locked me in a room
A rubber room
A rubber room with rats
And rats make me crazy
Crazy?
Twitter is a dumpster fire 🔥 just don't go.
True
I appreciate your perspective on this, Aaron. I think our experiences and what we are going through often colors our responses to things. It happens to everyone in everyday life, too, not just streamers. And while I think Jane was out of line with how she handled this particular situation, I can sympathize with what may have gotten her here. Let's face it, this community can be awesome but can also be extremely toxic. I can understand why someone who has suffered abuse from the community might be quick to become defensive and angry.
I hope she takes some to deal with what she is going through internally and then makes an informed decision on whether she should return to the various platforms that may have caused some of the stress. We are all human which means we all have our bad moments, but it also means that we are capable of making positive changes when we need to.
I think that kind of people should understand that not everything revolves around being trans, and Hens has no way of knowing if the person they are talking to (especially in anonymous mode) is this or that
It sounds like Jane only has her identity and nothing else. It’s extremely sad actually.
Its kinda pitiful, tbh however some peoples lives are just that sad, its pitiful, but also sad
She thinks that she's a fictional character. Says enough about her and her mental stability.
She uses a fictional character as her online identity, I wouldn’t say that says anything about her mental health personally
@@AaronDukeYT Actually she uses that as an identity irl aswell. According to herself in a now deleted tweet. Which is weird. Im onboard with what u r saying otherwise tho.
I think it's wild that something as colloquial as 'that's crazy' ( as in 'Damn, that's crazy' and 'Crazy you'd day that') is being turned into an apparent 'ableist' attack and 'transphobic'. I don't like the way that we are taking words with a really serious meanings and throw it at any inconvenience ever to get people attacked.
Like why must we demean the seriousness of these words bc bohoo, someone disagreed with me.
Meanwhile laser destroying Jane in merchant 1v1:
What the lack of a psychologist can do to a person. Bro, I feel like the world would be a lot better if everyone would go to the psychologist at least every other month
Everyone? Not quite sure about that, Maybe a select few but plenty of people don’t need that.
The irony is shes seeing a therapist but obviously not discussing the online part of her life
@@apathyzombie1966 What if she was lying about seeing one? the way she's been the same even while "seeing a therapist" sure shows that's likely the case, that she was lying.
@@apathyzombie1966 Not only her, but the whole dbd community is also in general over-defensive or over-invested in everything
I know Jane personally, having been part of the DbD Italy community for some time. Jane is not a bad person. For those who do not know her origins, she comes from a very problematic part of Italy, let alone being transgender. With this, however, I do not want to justify her actions. Her behaviour was really bad. But I think this should be a good opportunity for all of us. Jane certainly needs to work on herself, but let's be understanding. A person who makes a mistake must be helped and corrected. How can you expect to improve the community of Dbd in the first place and of the web in general if you don't help the people who need it? Let us all learn from this and try to be a little better. thank you
I unfollowed her on twitter ages ago because it started to feel she was purposely farming negative attention
Transphobia and ableism is an ongoing issue, it is out there, no denying that
Is it wrong that I'm glad I don't have Twitter?
No, I’m glad I don’t have Twitter either lmao.
I had to deal with Jane trying to destroy my name and tried to accuse me of being transphobic in this circumstance because I called out her behavior. There were lots of people who defended me. I was glad people knew my character enough to vouch for me because she could ha e done harm to my content.
I saw her interaction with you, it was horrible on her part tbh
@AaronDukeGame yes, and I agree with all the points you made, but at the same time... I don't feel this video should have been made. It was a topic that those most affected wanted dead and done. This just really just keeps it alive in our minds when we all just want the best for Jane. I don't think this contributes to a positive solution for Jane.
Oh boy >.<
I feel bad for Jane. I wish her well
This is a person who frequently uses their audience to attack and harrass people, how can you feel bad for someone like that
@AzulQueso19, what do you mean "him"? isn't it she/her pronouns?
@@AzulQueso_ her*
@@AzulQueso_ you’re part of the problem.
@@darkron288 because of the comment above yours. I wish her well and that she gets the help she needs to feel at peace, but with people like this douchebag above it’s gonna take a while.
As a trans streamer I did not know about Jane, hearing how she is though, she honestly shouldn’t come back. She needs major help first.
Pov: the worst pepole are the ones that name their social media account as a fictional character.
I wouldn’t say so. There are people who have behaved far worse than her out there who go by their own name
I feel that Jane must’ve been so tired & hurt from the attacks she’s received that she somehow connected the dots from someone using “crazy” as their reaction to her opinion to it somehow being a transphobic attack. I hope she gets some rest & perhaps finds someone to talk to.
@@tomasadam4522 Hey, you have a typo. It is "she".
What would happen if a trans creator confronted her, maybe it could help her separate transphobia from disagreements?
I personally matched up against a couple of months ago and wanna tell my story, as we all know it's skull merchant so I went 5 min or less into matched and she was hardcore camping and kick less then5% progressed gens in Solo que, none the less I dced after wasting Abit of her time and at endgame chat I asked solid questions, no attacks or nothing about certain builds for skull merchant, Jane/ Ariana then barely replied I went next and talk Bs about the killer in general that skull merchant is all about just keeping a 3 gen and takes 0 brain. Jane/ ariana then took it personal and just left a very hate full message in my chat while we both were streaming without no response when I asked about the hateful message she left whatsoever just assuming the worst and taking the victim role. I then checked her vod and she even assumed from my endgame chat in game that I was giving her advice or like almost telling her how to play skull merchant and pety me or putting me on the low end for asking simple question like does this build works on skull. I then later found out that Jane/Adriana irl wants to change name to Adriana and become almost one irl with skull merchant I was like wtf.
Jane is a bad person, they hurt other people beacuse they took a comment to personal? Not excusable. Especially knowing how volatile twitter is and seeing this is a habit of em. Instead of being better they made it worse and played the victim card. Terrible person imo
her pronouns are she/her. please do not misgender her by using gender neutral pronouns. I'm sure you don't mean it as its just easy to refer to people you don't know with gender neutral pronouns, however this reads as degendering a trans woman.
Here I go: I know I hurt many friends, many followers and, expecially, the trans people I always wanted to try to uplift and defend. I've no excuses for my attitude: hurting someone, if you're hurt yourself, will only cause more harm. I have no will to share the events that bringed me to my mental breakdown, because whatever the events were I had to be stronger, taking the signs and logging off those medias that were hurting me (Twitter in primis). Twitter in particular is a platform that lacks of any form of moderation: seeing my face used everyday to create hurtful accounts pushed me to my lowest point, also because reports did absolutely nothing. I'm not a strong person, not because I couldn't deal to these attacks, but because I wasn't able to recognise how already broken I was and that I needed help before losing faith in everything, included the people who were trying to help and support me in these hard times. I take accountability of every wrong action I committed here and I'll work harder and harder during the next months to correct these wrong sides of myself, to find that kind of joy I lost, with the support I need from therapist, etc... I think that Twitter is not an healthy place for me in general and I recognise that as my personal limit and I've to accept it. The first step was reaching my therapist and getting into more medicines to help with my anxiety and depression, also reaching my family and my only friend who still lives in my hometown (all the other ones moved away for professional reasons).
However, I'm not going to take a break in general: I think that if you make mistakes, really bad mistakes, you still put your face out there and face the consequences of what you've done. I accept and understand the disappointment and the anger of former followers, fellow content creators and also friends I really cared about (but that I understand for taking the choice of taking distance from me): escaping is not the way. I made mistakes and I pay for these, putting my face into it and not escaping from my responsibilities. Holding up to my mistakes, accepting that what I did was wrong, understanding what to improve and keep doing the few things I can do decently is the way I want to afford this whole situation. I'm better than this, even if I understand who doesn't want to trust me anymore, they're in the right of standing to this position and actions and not just words have to prove things differently.
Thank you for the call out, that I deserved because what I did was wrong, but also for giving context, that in no way justifies my actions. I hope in the future we can reach each other on more positive notes and I can be able to promote the same kind of positivity I was aiming to before starting to not believe in a possibility of a better world. Wishing to you and everyone else I "betrayed" the best possible Summer.
I wish you the best with your journey!
@@AaronDukeYT The best is what I'll try to do. I appreciate you and thank you again for the service you do for this community: my respect for you is not changed, your honesty is appreciated.
Wishing you the best!
so this couldn’t have been done weeks ago?…. right…
All the best to you! Sending lots of love and hugs 💕
Is this the same person that went by The Jane Romero Show/Adriana Skully?
Any chance you can cover what is going on with the creator Junebug? Would really love to hear your take on it all
Video in progress, should be releasing within the next 12 hours
It was a red flag when her entire identity is a fictional character.
Very disappointed in her but I hope her break helps her mentally. I've seen too many people act this way and not take accountability in their actions and end up in a worse position then before. 😢
@@Guts-the-Berserkerget help. and enjoy being banned from the channel
@@tomasadam4522 if you dont agree with the idea of being transgender, I won’t judge you for that. But this guy has 20+ comments on this video just going around saying “he” under every single comment for absolutely no reason. If you think that is “normal” and that this guy isn’t miserable and living a useless life where he can spend his time on social media adding nothing productive to a single conversation, then by all means go ahead and believe that. But his behavior is a reflection of his sad empty life.