What Nobody Tells You About Night Vision
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- čas přidán 9. 03. 2023
- Night vision, all the cool kids have it. But very few put in the time to figure it out. I hope to pass on some of my experience. As always, take it with a grain of salt
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I cannot do math, or read a script:
We created 30 hours of NV footage. Which means ~150 hours a year.
Not 30 hours of NV and 15 hours of time.
I literally spent 10 hours this month under nods. And spent ~20-30 hours just for the RVB58 video. I'm not really sure how I left that uncorrected in the editing phase
could the splash within the laser be concealed any by using basically an IR version of Black 2.0/3.0 paint, with a narrow metal tube around the (for lack of a better term) muzzle of the laser. kinda like a suppressor. I'm not saying this would be particularly useful in any other way than reducing the signature of the bright dot at the source of the light. flood against the terrain down range would not be mitigated by this.
(I have found myself needing to re-subscribe to you after being somehow unsubscribed to you multiple times. I find that this is common amongst firearms related channels. somehow I just become not subscribed by the overlords at YT)
@@indoorkite651 no idea, could be a very neat experiment.
How much do you think you spend on batterys for your nods on average?
@@Delta_Seven basically zero.
@@BrassFacts Really? I would think dozens with how much power (I assume) NVGs use
You’re doing gods work for the community, you and a few others are largely responsible for raising the bar on realistic preparedness and actual real world philosophy of use vs a lot of the early 2000’s forum fudd larp we’ve had to endure. We’re grateful
Amen. 😅 Brass facts is spitting facts and I feel at times vindicated and I love channels hosts that think for themselves. I especially love how he keeps pointing out for civilians the pistol is the most important self defense weapon over Gucci AR’s.
Pweach 🙌
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The larp is still going on. So many guys are walking around with expensive AR setups and plate carriers but don't know the first thing about how to survive in the woods or the fitness to walk up a hill.
What early 2000s fudd larp?
Having been in the middle of no where Afghanistan where there was no light pollution, on a new moon night with overcast, I can tell you there are times you literally struggle to see your hand in front of your face without NVG’s. In similar conditions though but with a clear sky, it is jaw dropping amazing to see the milky way with the necked eye and struggle to find a spot you don’t see a star. Seriously, if you ever get the chance to go way off coast or in the desert on a clear new moon night and star gaze, DO IT!!!
yep. Reminds me of a time we shot while camping
I was like: "guess I'll die"
And turned on a whitelight and trudge back to the car. It was that dark.
I live deep in the Idaho mountains… it gets DARK at night, but on a clear night the stars are just as you describe. Sometimes I stay out for hours just enjoying the night sky
The stars in Afghanistan are something to behold. High altitude, clear air, and almost no light pollution for 10’s to 100’s of miles. Absolutely stunning to see the Milky Way that vividly.
@@BandAid350z how high is Afghanistan?
I’ve seen stars at 9-10k feet and it was pretty cool. I hear Afghanistan gets pretty high up there
@@BandAid350z Afghanistan is beautiful especially the mountains
How does this guy not have more subscribers? Literally putting out some of the most informative fighting preparedness content on the platform.
CZcams doesnt push his videos.
Someone doesn't want the world to know this type of information. More people need to know, so spread the word.
The modern world has millions of things trying to grab your attention and you only have so much time to glue yer face to a screen per day
@Europa The Last Battle. NET the long nose tribe and their buddies indeed run the show
Useful knowledge isn't popular. Hype is.
My first time using nods there was a thunderstorm about 40 miles away that you couldn’t see with eyes, but you could see all the lightning through the nods. It was the first night of 24 hour ops so I thought I was just tripping balls. There was also a small bush 200m away that took us 30 minutes to figure out it wasn’t a person
last part is literally some dayz ass shit
@@wolfram2272 I thought the same
Reminds of Generation Kill when the approaching column of T-72 tanks is actually just a town
After 2 years of weekly night shoots and a number of night classes my biggest take away is you need a team using both thermal and night vision. A static target in very dark conditions is like playing where's waldo in monochrome, so you need spotters using thermal. Also the power of illuminator crossfire can not be understated. It's easy to light up a target with top-tier iluminators, see nothing. Then have your buddy a few degrees off to one side light it up and suddenly you have a target clear as day. It's often so obvious that it's hard to believe you didn't see it.
Absolute truth
I didn’t hear it (maybe I missed it), but be careful to not get sucked into the NVG perception of light. Not an issue with monoculars, but with dual tubes, one can get into the idea that they can see and nobody else can, but the reality is that the visible light is bright enough that you’re standing out to the normal eye. Less of an issue if you remove the eye cups, but then you get more light visible on your face at certain angles.
that was a 10min section that was cut actually. It's in the next video
A big thing is backlighting yourself, easy to not do without nods. But with nods the autogating can be a curse and you can't tell you just step infrotn of a lighting source
Also the reflection of lenses unless drilled caps or similar device is used
One reason why I suggest most people that aren’t with a team, use single tubes.
And always know the level of lume from the moon prior to going out. Doesn’t help with artificial light, but does help as a baseline for when out in the open.
This is correct. When downrange even when working with high level organizations dual tubes were a disadvantage in urban environments. I have seen guys parol right into areas they were visibly lit by the environmental light conditions. Many believe NVGs make you invisible. It is actually the opposite.
Second lots of current doctrine is moving away from active aiming devices to passive devices. In a near peer fight, understand discharging a laser is a serious compromise.
Next this video discounts ISR assets that can spot lasers from above quite easily. Even some drones commonly used can detect IR.
These are important lessons for civilians to understand.
I just got to actually use my goggles last night. I walked in the park and it was crazy. I could see everything. My image intensifiers definitely have more of a whitish, blackish look rather than the blueish look. I was able to navigate very well. I tried to wait until everyone left so people wouldn't see some guy get out of his car with a ballistic helmet. It was weird for a little bit cause there was this car parked that wouldn't leave for a while. They left around an hour after I started walking around and I could see the occupants get out of the car and vomit from about 60 yards or so away. Man it was so fun.
be sure to try it well into the wilderness, parks give a false sense of illusion regarding how effective they can be.
"ground actual to control, tac vom commenced"
My experiences using nods in the city park involved a lot of drunk teens, passed out homeless guys, and people doing naughty things. Pretty sure I have a clip of scaring the everloving shit outta a camping homeless woman on my chanel
@@destroyerofgear lmao 🤣 😂 😆
@BrassFacts I second this, a "bright" night with decent moon lume gets a whole lot harder to see in once you duck under thick canopy in the bush
One thing I’ve learned. If you have to request a price quote it’s way too high lol.
you don't request a price quote. The prices are listed.
This is a great example of the limitations of something a lot of people think is a superpower (it is). What's even more telling about the different lighting conditions is how digital nightvision companies or users won't even mention this in most of their advertising since it would reveal the massive gap in performance each system gets without IR Illumination or ambient lighting. Good shit man.
Yep, I bet the new Digital stuff would work really well when it's bright as shit.
But I suspect in all other scenarios it may very well be worthless. I need to get my hands on a opsin
@@BrassFactshis. No one has really shown the opsin in the near blackout conditions you described, it would be great to see one compared to gen2+, which it appears to compete with in terms of performance. I'm tempted to get one but the proprietary charger makes it useless for SHTF IMO.
Fyi, GunBroker has Opsins listed for 1,875 vs the 2,500 MSRP.
What no one told me. I was going to be very poor
They can't, otherwise you might realize the issues within the system in time to hedge bets against them. If you did that, they'd make less of your money...
Never understood why you don’t have like 5 million subscribers dude you only put the facts and do it in a way we all can understand and relate to so thank you 🙏 I do appreciate it
you might say he...gets down to brass facts
It was relatively recently that I learned that suppressors weren’t the flash killers that I always heard they were. Showing the flash at range showed just how true that is. I’m really interested in seeing more of that “testing.” Even if it isn’t scientific there is almost no documentation on this area.
That's why I have no interest in titanium cans. Sure they can be a bit lighter, but they aren't good on short barrels with rapid fire, and they're very flashy especially under nods.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Yeah I too dropped all aspirations for a titanium can. It typically saves money doing so.
@@robbywoolums9071absorb heat and glow much quicker than steel/inconel too
I spent 21 years in Army aviation as a Hooker (one day Oxide will graduate to my beloved Chinook). My combat experience started in Panama during Operation Just Cause and ended in the middle of Enduring Freedom. Up until around 2009, while flying missions, we owned the night. So much so that by my third rotation to Afghanistan, we were taken off guard when the enemy could track us with fire while we evaded. When debriefing with S2 they could not believe our account that the enemy could come up with effective NVDs.
The dawn of cheap Chinesium gear used by those guys was leveling out the playing field.
Now recently, we've gifted them some of the best gear and NVGs you could use in the military. Thanks Brandon!
Keep up the great work. You are inspiring.
thanks, and thanks for the story.
I was joking earlier:
We went from "owning the night"
to
"renting the night"
One of the topics with night vision that doesn't get covered much in civilian circles is driving with night vision. It's something that we did when I was in the Marine Corps, and it bring a whole host of challenges, especially in dusty conditions, like gravel roads or in the desert
NODS definitely change your FOV and depth perception. I spend a lot of time driving under NV and it takes a bit to get used to, especially at speeds above 25mph on farm roads. A lot of fun though!!
I was wondering what the legality of that would be 😂 I imagine driving down the road without headlights on would be some serious phantom shit. Especially with an electric vehicle
@Lindbo Knife & Tool I mean technically with blackout lights you still have them. Just not too sure how legal it would be
@@lindboknifeandtool My parents use to do that to us growing up without NVGs to scare us lol.
@@uncreativename9936 “son I REMEMBER where to go, I REMEMBER!!!”
Ran NV a shit ton in my time in the service. A shit ton. 02-09 era. I got out, and left the gear and concepts behind until a few years back. Now training ls back on the plate. NV is a great tool and a must. But their is so much more then running, gunning and NV work. Just took my buds out on a patrol with full kit and didn’t shoot once… they hated it! They were over the compass, SMEAC, SLLS, RPO, and FRAGO talk…. I was loving it. Keep on training and learning the “not so fun” stuff. Awesome vid, keep killing it. And you don’t have to be prior service to play! Just need the heart to learn. Cheers all!
In a CZcams world of frauds shills and political bullshit - I am genuinely excited when I see you have a new video out
thanks man, means a lot.
One of the best channels on CZcams in the SHTF/fighting preparedness genre.
Well thought out, well produced content focusing on practicality and things that actually matter.
Keep it up brother.
I've learned more in this video about night vision than I have in the past two years.
I've owned my PVS-14 for a little over a year now, and the amount of NV content coming out since that time is staggering.
You guys are helping so many people out. great yob.
What mount did you get? I just bought the E.T dragon mount and the j arm has already broke and I haven’t used it yet.
@@Staccato62 I bought a used rhino II mount, and added a PMRM dovetail adapter. I used a wilcox dovetail j arm clone made by tier none. Affordable and effective.
@@Wabaanimkii awesome thank you!
Nice video! From past military service overseas, a useful tip for urban ops is to use IR chem lights when entering rooms to help you remain passive AND not create bloom... you can move the chemlight if you are short, but its better to leave them in each room to confirm each room's condition. You also need an SOP to mark rooms under nods (EPW; MEDIC; clear; breach needed etc.). For that, another trick is to apply different strips of duck tape to mean different things (3 thin strips for EPW; 1 thick, 1 thin, and 1 thick for MEDIC etc.).
Tactical barcodes
That was really interesting. Hope you'll do the part 2, I find this personally very valuable
Night vision and radios are the Achilles Heel of the prepared citizen. It's complicated and expensive. Holosun helped open up the night vision/thermal game with their new line but it's not even available yet and it's first generation.. so there's going to be issues and some fine tuning needed.
I just came across your channel and have been binge watching. I love your content. It’s just what I look for in videos. Not just reviews, but realistic applications and scenarios. Great stuff 👍🏻👍🏻
Great video. Love the focus on real world usage. We need more of these conversations.
By far your best video to date. Great job. Would really enjoy more content like this.
We want part 2! Great video! Very informative, definitely gave me something to think about to improve self! Thank you!
On point man! Definitely believe having both active and passive aiming devices on your main squeeze is the way to go. THANK YOU for showing how much pitch black and weather can really limit your visibility. Just like in everything there is no free lunch 👍
Your videos are of extremely high quality and I can tell so many hours went into them. I can't thank you enough.
Absolutely great content!!! I get excited for every Brass Facts video I watch, it’s always very informative!
Wow great video we really appreciate all the time and effort spent in putting this together in describing it in a way that we can understand... There's a lot of food for thought.... thank you again!!!
Ok. The best video on NVG deployment I've seen. Thank you for the detailed assessment of equipment type and tactics and not just being an advertisment for stuff. Keep up the great work.
EXTREMELY interested in this kind of content. Please continue lol
I like less gear videos and more videos like this , I haven’t been able to spend enough time under night vision to have a grip on all the conditions. This gives me a better idea on what gear I’ll need when I go night hiking or hunting thank you
This the type of info I’ve been looking for. Yes please continue seriously.
Yes please!!! I definitely want to watch/learn/enjoy the part you cut out for time reasons.
I have ZERO experience on this subject but find your videos highly informative.
Thanks!
Would love to see the longer version, really good info. Some things I’ve experienced myself/from courses, and some of it is ah-ha why didn’t I notice that. Great stuff!!!
This is the video nobody deserves but everyone needed.
Blown away by these realizations with my own WP tube.. the naked eye can see quite well in all but the darkest conditions. Also, didn’t realize how bright my neighborhood is at night until I walked it with NV. Camouflage definitely still matters to the wearer
I have a WP PVS-14 and I couldn’t agree more. When you power on the devise after just turning out the lights or getting out of your car, it takes a good 30 minutes for your unaided eye to fully adjust. But once it does it alarmist takes away from the NVG’s performance. Our eyes are a wonderful thing
Been watching your videos non stop since I found you on CZcams. Love your work and the content you put out with Hop!
Thank you for this vid... It reinforces TRAINING. Having all these cool toys is awesome. But they're only as good as how well you're able to employ them.
This is a very informative video of realistic expectations of owning night vision and operating with it. Hollywood and other entertainment videos on CZcams in my opinion give a false perception of how night vision performs. I’ve said it so many times to friends this exact comment. It is a great tool to have but once you operate with it your entering a whole different ball game in regards to accurately engaging targets. This comes from my own experience ie. tactical carbine night vision course and hog hunting. High respect to you and your crew training like y’all do and putting out this transparent video. Great stuff!
The long high detail videos are great
You managed to keep my tiny attention span
Appreciate the info too, its not easy to find
Hands down one of the coolest and informative videos on Night Vision… somebody give this man an award!!!! Or money, yeah, send him your monies!!!
This is an incredible resource, thank you for making this
This is fantastic info, very much appreciated Brass Facts! Thank you
Outstanding information my man! Big fan or your channel, keep it up! Would love to see more videos along this same vein.
Please do more nvg stuff even though its expensive as hell, you hop and sage are the only channels that actually give good information
A lot of us who have used it where you can get shot at...tend to not be making videos as we are still working or just tired.
Keep up the good work.
New here! Excellent information, well presented, articulated well and great camera work. Your channel is going to explode when more people find. Well done! Keep up the great work.
Dang brass speaking, a calm song under it, a couple of shots, why is this shit so relaxing? I could watch this for hours sitting in my couch beside stove sipping a whiskey while it rains outside...
The vid i've been waiting for, thank you!
Fun fact. City lights can also be referred to as Urban Glow. Impress your friends
I learned a ton from this video that you don't see anywhere else. Great video dude
Dude fantastic video! So excited to see more.
As a former swat officer I love this channel. I will say this if you get into NODS you need to train your ass off with them and understand the pros and cons. However in a SHTF moment if you don’t have NODS you’ll die to the person that does, the advantage is real.
They’re not hard to use or learn about. Been using them in the infantry for 8 years now and now have my own L3 PVS31A.
@@Abolish_The_ATFyeah man but to the average person not in a military unit or tactical law enforcement unit if you don’t have direction by someone who has been using nods for some time you want understand the limitations of NVG’s. The worse time to experience your non experience is when it’s life and death.
@@tae199 you don’t need to serve to know about this stuff. I have lots of friends that never served and own their own gear and nods. It’s not hard to learn and use. There’s so many videos that’ll tell you everything you need to know. When you wear them, they’re not hard to get use too my guy
Your comment on lighting really rung true for me, I recently had an opportunity to look through an Eotech PVS14 in a completely unlit interior room. The view was surprisingly grainy and although better than literally sitting in the dark, was not really that amazing.
Great stuff. Loving this channel!
Great video. Looking forward to part 2.
Great video, I’m trying to talk myself into buying NV gear and this information is so dang helpful. Keep it up brother, your doing the lords work 🍻
This was great information thank you for the work you put into this.
Yet again thanks for a lot of untouched content. Alot of little things here those of us just getting into NV haven't seen or know
Becoming a serious force in the nvg community my man,thanks for the knowledge🙂
love it. being someone who's never used night vision outside of a video game, I learned a lot.
Outstanding video! Amazing information. Thank you!
When you get into night vision you need at least two PVS14’s. One to wear and one to make pictures of yourself with.
sadly yes, otherwise, how else would people know
@@BrassFacts 😂 yes and we do need those cool avatar pics in white phosphor glow
This is some of the best NVG content I’ve ever seen
Great video. I’m excited to see the follow up.
This is great! I prefer this type of content over reviews any day of the week. Best boi! 11 out of 10 would pet!
Some of the best content on CZcams..
This video love what you do for the community.
Good video, but one thing I would like to see in the future when directly comparing two things (in this case, active vs passive aiming) is some timed COFs with both known and unknown targets at various ranges. The presence of some objective data could help clear up some of the distinctions in my mind. I have shot a few USPSA matches under bridged PVS14s, as well as compared times on standardized COFs in practice, and it is interesting to see the data. Personally, I am about 20% faster with a white light with constant on than passively with NODs, and about 20-30% slower with a laser than passively since I can use my same muscle memory with passive shooting. Granted, these stats are all from 100 yards and in, known target, and known distance situations, so having "blind" stages as well as variations in situation and distance would be pretty interesting. Thank you for all the good info you put out there!
I have some videos where I show passive at specific ranges, but it's so random (lighting dependent).
I'll keep that in mind in the future though. Sometimes I may be to vague for sure
Awesome video for someone getting ready to purchase their first NVG system. Earned a SUB!
Looking forward to pt 2
The most important thing nobody tell you about NVGs is that they don't make the cool Fweeee sound when turned on like they did in the old games
biggest disappointment. They just make this dumb autogating noise now :(
@@BrassFacts That feel when you spend multiple Ks for Sam Fisher fwee but all you get is the ability to see at night =(. Great video btw!
Question: do you run an offset or direct zero on your laser?
@@Zel_eo In a perfect world I like offset/parallel
But realistic: I got through a lot of gear that is just "review" gear, so I just cowitness at like 150 yards (direct). It works well enough.
Loved it, I needed this information
Thank you!
And long videos are awesome as well.
Best nv video yet, this had a lot of work to do so thank you.
nah, I think you win in that camp. But I'll take second or third.
@@BrassFacts get outta here! Super sick meta talk!
I hope you will do more follow up videos on this topic. Thank you for the shared information and knowledge. 👍🏻
I was busy freezing with hop haha.
Fantastic analysis. This is a great presentation.
As Always, Beautiful Video and Great Content
Finally. I'll take a full playlist please
Top-tier stuff obviously generated from time using the equipment, thank you for the info!
I think I’m going to have to watch this more than once.
Fantastic video! Thank you!!
Great content as always. Can’t stop winning!
Great video...lot of great info, even a year later...thanks!
Absolutely solid video. People assume that when they buy night vision it makes them invisible. Not to mention the use of IR lasers and lights in a SHTF scenario will for sure give your position away
Probably your best video. Thanks
This is some really excellent "into the minutia" kind of information that many can't give. Greatly appreciated.
P.S. We don't mind the hour plus version.
Yeah post those other videos man I want to hear about what ya found out thanks keep posting
I’m looking forward to Part 2…and Nova!
My PVS 14 came in yesterday, this video dropped right on time
Mine too lol. Haven't got to really mess with them too much, but fun testing around the house as I've never used nvg before.
I am freshly on my NVjourney, new pvs14 acquired, helmet almost built. BrassFacts and Hop (plus my friend who is being the guinea pig) have been so crucial in getting me this far. This video alone is some of the first footage I have seen of shooting from a 3rd party POV under nods, let alone someone who could explain what was going on. I am really excited to continue and dive fully into night shoots. I have a lower and a Sandman in desperate need of a 300blk upper to link them. I would love to see you break down anything and everything as far as kitting a night time carbine/rifle with the right optic and such. Your videos are great, and I hope you know that you bring a lot of original and valuable info/footage to this community. Every video you post on night vision is critical end-user data that me and many others use to make our next moves. While I disagree with what you think is "unrealistically close", I hope to be a patron to guntubers like you one day when I don't also need money.
Not sure about civi models...but if they have IR function just remember it works both ways, never use them during bright light without lens cap on, and anything IR on your kit is also double edged sword
Well done, There is a lot of misconceptions about nods, as a combat vet with hundreds of hours in the dark, I know Nothing Beats Experance. Train!
WOW, GREAT video brother. INFORMATIVE
this is one of your best videos man
I learned a shit ton
Excellent video sir !
I really like the Long form discussion videos!
I have been seriously looking at NV as a capability I do want, so content like this helps.
I don't want to just hear "NV is great, or just get these things"
I need to know the considerations I need to make for a practical use of this before I drop north of 15K on equipment. I want more realistic approach to it overall.
Thank you for making this!
Would also like to see the thermals video as well!
thermals is brutal. When "budget" is 4000-7000 dollars.
@@BrassFacts I suddenly don't have interest in thermals.
I've already been spending a good few weeks mentally preparing myself that a proper NV setup will cost me north of 10K. But I do have a cutoff of what I can consider "reasonable" for me. Taking out a car loan for gear...isn't reasonable for me.
I can just get a monocular to have that in reserves for like 2K and be done with it. I mean still not cheap. But I'm more comfortable with that prospect.
My goal is ultimately preparedness because I know this will give an advantage to me I can't overlook. But I still want to try and keep things somewhat reasonable.
@@Lync512 You can get an entry level thermal monocular for less than $900.
@@Lync512 just wait for the collapse and go cop yourself a brand new set of quads
@@ATruckCampbellis it any good?
For those complete black out conditions, I run an X300V on my helmet for hands-free IR illumination and also a really good long run time. When I go indoors for complete blackout conditions, I rotate that X300V upwards and bounce it off the ceiling to illuminate the entire room.