Chieftain's Q&A 14. Ares cannons, IFV Missiles, and exposure times.
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05:32 Is putting a missile onto an IFV really worth it?
11:09 How noticeable are the external sounds of battle in a tank?
12:28 What's the practical difference between cannon, autocannon and coax?
15:48 What can I tell you about the tank rampage in San Diego?
19:27 Who is my cameraman for Inside the Chieftain's Hatch?
21:33 What is the engagement process in a tank?
28:14 Anything other than tanks and ships interest me? Any favorite time periods?
30:07 Has the assymetry of torsion bar vehicles ever caused a problem?
33:05 What of the new Rheinmetall 130mm?
34:51 Why did the US convert the FT away from metric in the M1917?
36:02 What is my assessment of tanks in Vietnam?
37:25 Talk about the Ares 75mm hypervelocity cannon and the AAI ELKE
42:57 GOTM
47:58 Why "Chieftain"?
48:18 Is there an equivalent to the turret monster in turretless vehicles?
48:40 Given all the low intensity urban stuff recently, should we move away from tracks?
50:25 Are the days of the 105mm as a primary tank weapon over?
51:50 What is the viability of lifting a wheel to shorten a track for turning?
55:14 If I could replace any US vehicle with one of another nation, what would it be?
56:30 Why only four flashlights issued to M18 crews?
57:30 How does the NBC system work on a tank?
59:45 Is HEAT actually a general purpose round?
1:01:00 Care to comment on T26E4?
1:02:08 What is the purpose of a tracked mortar carrier vs wheeled?
1:03:37 Any recommendations for books about early war tanks or doctrine?
1:05:15 What is my favourite dinosaur?
1:05:38 Was 3AD really so short on men that they ran 3-man crews?
1:06:40 What tanks would I take to Vietnam?
1:07:55 What would a tank designed for urban combat look like?
1:09:15 How often would vehicles be designed outside of official centralised channels?
1:10;38 Who/What are my three stars of WW2?
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My dad was a tanker in Germany and then a spec 4 tank commander in Vietnam. He had several funny stories. One of my favorites was when he was at ft. Knox and a group of cadets from west point. He had been ordered by his commanding officer to assist a lucky cadet in firing the coax gun into targets on the range. The officer the was in charge of the cadet told him sternly that he would fire one to three rounds into each target. They then buttoned up the tank and my dad having just returned from Vietnam looked at the kid and said that what WAS going to happen was that the kid was going press and hold the trigger and he was going to traverse the turret, and the loader, who was linking together ALOT of 30 cal belts together, would pour 3 in 1 oil in the receiver wile he was firing to keep it going until they ran out of bullets. The kid grinned and said what about my CO? My dads response was that this was his tank and the kids CO wasn't HIS CO. They got the range clear signals and the order to proceed and the kid did what my dad told him to do and cut the man sized targets in half. The CO of the cadets was trying to yell over a flame spitting machine-gun. Meanwhile all the guys from Knox where dieing laughing. Also the 30 cals action welded itself open on the last round.
Way to use that taxpayer money. It's what is there for after all.
Meanwhile all soldiers today: "why do they only issue us this crummy beat up stuff? They could at least buy us some decent gear, spend a little bit more on it".
I appreciate the googly eyes on the missile in the back.
I think it's an inflatable 120mm from the Tank Museum. With, yes, awesome googly eyes.
Pretty sure that's just a discarded caseing from a sabot round ..no ?
@@mark-kg7wg Missile
@@TheChieftainsHatch Shillelagh?
@@kaidanielson5956 Its the tube part of a TOW missile.
Just realized after a trip to a local museum I've been watching Chieftain far too much. My first thought on seeing a farm caterpillar tractor, was "I wonder how they adjust track tension?" as my eyes were looking for the track tension adjustment mechanism.
Look near the idler wheel. You'll probably find it.
I've done the same thing on the skidsteers at work.
@@josephahner3031 I figured out where it was, it was more that my first thought on seeing them was to wonder where the track tension adjuster was. Didn't wonder at the age, or the overall design, nope, first thought was "Where's the track tension adjustment?"
A lot of tracks on tractors \ heavy equipment tracks are adjusted buy grease pumped through grease zerk
watching 'too much' or perhaps watching just enough?
"The interesting question now, with the advent of remote weapon systems, is where to put the .50?" The answer is yes and multiple.
TUSK+SEPv2 why not just stick an extra .50 on the gun mantlet instead of replacing the 7.62mm coax.
One as coax, one in the rws, and one free swinging as AA.
Weight man, weight. Geoff Who remembers speeding tickets at Fort Knox before they put the governors on the M-1 Pre-production models. Anyone have one to scan for the Major???
@@josephahner3031 well, Israeli in the 80s had that habit to weld an extra MG on top of mantle as a second coax, and a pintle mounted MG on loader's harchfor good measure
@@ulissedazante5748 Which we copied from them when we introduced the TUSK package.
In the Stryker, the turret monster is called “that f**king hole my pen fell down. Lol
Seriously though, there is plenty of areas on the Stryker that you can lose stuff. The General Dynamics instructor told us during Opnet that they had to have the local bomb disposal on hand every time they got a shipment of battle damaged strykers because for a while they kept finding hand grenades in the vehicles. The problem is that the Stryker has a sub floor and it has plenty of fist size holes in the interior. Even more if systems like the NBC systems aren’t installed.
All military vehicles seem to suffer from the same design flaw. It is a flaw because in combat rarely do things return to their rightful place and usually end up on the floor or in this case flaw. Restorers of military vehicles frequently find unusual items including live rounds, grenades and severed human extremities. Often decades after the vehicles have been declared safe.All have been eaten by the "monster" and have escaped the cleaning crews.
Someday designers will produce a cleverly crafted interior that is both functional and soldier proof. Don't hold your breath.
I laughed hard on this one dude, though maybe not a laughable situation for guys who were there.
Double vs
Who was your instructor. Was it Aussie?
@@dazedandconfusedstacker9923 naw, it was some National Guard tanker SGM. He was pretty squared away and a good instructor, but I would have much rather had one of the NonE9 instructors. The other instructors were chill, and he was for a SGM, but he’s still a SGM.
Best book on the falklands war: ‘Don’t cry for me, Sargeant Major’ hilarious, shocking and brilliantly written.
3 days in june. Chronological multi witness account. Bit harder reading but written by somwone who was there using their own and other accounts. Also good
I recommend Razor's Edge by Hugh Bircheno
And not just the Falklands. My local library used to have a copy.
@@Rhubba I read Razor's Edge over a decade ago, so my memory is fuzzy, but I seem to remember thinking at the time that it requires prior knowledge of the details and events of the war beforehand, and is very partisan. It's not a history of the war, it's a justification of decisions and critique of detractors.
Don't Cry for Me Sergeant Major is $52 from Amazon USA, Geoff Who wants somebody the get the Kindle (TM) rights acquired.
I live in Colo. Springs, and it's funny that I didn't remember the "killdozer" rampage. I do remember when a couple of guys stole an M109 SP 155mm howitzer from Ft. Carson back in '87. I was heading home from a softball game, and up north on I-25 it looked like the car chase scene from The Blues Brothers. AFAIK they just let the M109 run out of gas, but then they were just driving, not destroying anything.
I was in Carson in 80-81 IIRC there was something about a stolen M109 that was found in a barn.
My question on the "killdozer" is how effective a "Molotov cocktail" would have been on it. As it wasn't designed as a sealed vehicle, I would think it would have had a "significant' effect on it.
@@Wolfshead009 The engine would probably intake a bunch of fire and burn itself up.
@@Wolfshead009 Flashbangs dropped down the exhaust failed to disable it, so...
@@rdfox76 flashbangs don't have a long term burning effect, a flare would have worked better.
Regarding the CV90 and it not having any ATGMs.
You got most of the points in your video (cost, ammunition size etc), but there was one reason we didnt fit it you didnt mention. Sweden has forrests, a lot of them infact. And a study came to the conclusion that since most of the fighting will probably be done at ranges shorter then the minimum range of most ATGMs (or at least at ranges where ATGMs isnt optimal). Fitting them to every vehicle would be a huge cost, with little benefit. Back in the 90s every mechanized battalion had (or at least was supposed to have) a dedicated ATGM unit instead, with dismountable ATGMs.
These days BAE does offer a variant of the CV90 Mk IV with ATGMs tho for export, but as far as I know none has actually been sold so far.
As an addon to this, the Swedish government at the time the AMOS left the prototype stage and was ready for 0-series production, decided to pull out of the joint SWE-FIN project for mainly economic and the ideological idea that as the national defence conscript cadre doctrine was abandoned for a professional task group oriented expeditionary doctrine. Indirect fire support would be provided by whatever great power in command of the multinational operations that the Swedish troops were to be deployed to support (eg. USAF or USN or USMC or the RAF)
A technical reason I've also heard as an after thought is that the AMOS could not fit the three part PSVINGR 96 SLUFA munition which is an advanced top-attack IR homing, IR signature prioritizing AT round.
@@SonsOfLorgar Even tho the plug was pulled a year or two before conscription was abandoned. the mindset of international operations instead of national defence was well established by then. Incidentally, all of the chassies had alredy been produced, and were left standing in a storage area until just a few years ago when they were used for the ongoing Mjölnir project. Sadly back when the plug was pulled, the old M/44 towed mortars were very worn out, so extensive (and expensive) repairs had to be done to them in order to keep them in service...
The latest upgrade (Mk.3b) of the CV9030N (the ones used by the Norwegian Army) features the Kongsberg Protector Nordic RWS which can be outfitted with the Javelin.
@@dnivie55 Does it use 30mm Bushmaster III?
Auto-Cannons are probably much more practical and reliable in heavily wooded areas than wire guided missiles.
Also, I have to ask: I hear that your compatriot from Infantry Branch, having changed his mind about the new Elbonian government, has come up with a plan to bring the Elbonian infantry back from the brink. If you were also to decide to try to fix their armored branch, having done your best previously to sabotage it, how would you go about doing so?
Missiles on IFV's: when you're a mech infantry battalion on the receiving end of a multi-echelon regiment/brigade sized assault, being able to pick off not only tanks but also IFV's at the longest range possible is quite desirable.
Put differently, you're better off destroying that IFV 3km away while it's carrying its infantry squad than having to deal with the IFV and a dismounted squad 200m away.
Sure, but what about your CAS or theirs? That mech inf. probably won't be the only element in this scenario. Firing a missile probably also gives out your exact position, a 'shoot here' flare if you will.
Smoke & retreat isn't an option?
@@glandhound sometimes you're told to hold a position, and you dont have an option
@@glandhound of course it's an option, but I imagine popping off a few ATGMs and thinning the herd before breaking contact would be more desirable than leaving the enemy force unmolested. In sim training with Bradley's we would fire a pair of TOWs and then, presuming we didn't kill the tank element opposing us break contact, fall back to the next available cover, reload, and depending on enemy action either push back up or wait until they pressed the attack and repeat the process.
I should have added that ATGM's are a lot more useful for defense than for attacking. And the Bradley's primary intended role was to defend against a 25,000-tank Soviet Attack in Central Europe.
The strategic situation has of course changed a lot since then, but consider what an American expeditionary force sent to help defend Taiwan against a Chinese invasion would face...
Arty? What about the arty?!?
For civilians the turret monster is that space between the seat and the center console.
Re Turret Monster. On British Army AFV 432 FFR vehicles its called Panzer Rash. CMdrs hatch quite lethal.
mick dyer the 200 round .50cal box was excellent for twatting the heads of dismounts unused to the arc of the RWS.
Yes, as a Dino tanker I can tell you that one track on an M60 is one block longer than another. It came up in JMOC, but I can't remember which track is longer. I think its the right.
"Marine Corps Tank Battles in Vietnam" by Oscar E. Gilbert is pretty good.
I read Cooper's book. He doesn't know the difference between a torsion bar suspension and a Christie suspension, he thinks they are the same thing. For me that put a cloud over every other "fact" he stated.
I read it a while too. Zaloga does a very polite, but devastating take down of his "facts" in "Patton versus the Panzers"-- contradicting what he called a low level lieutenant in maintenance with actual historical records from the US Army, timelines and personalities. Cooper, as you recall, claimed that it was Patton who held up the M-26. Patton was in trouble over the Sicily soldier slapping incident and really didn't give a whit about the technology-- all he cared about was the strategy and tactics. It was McNair and the Armor/TD board that held things up.
Well worth the purchase.
White extremism
@Jimmy De'Souza He disowned it? I never heard that, where did you? I'd like to see that!
@Jimmy De'Souza I read the book a while ago-- it's in our local library but I'm afraid I'll just throw it across the room if I read it again.
I read that another source of the Sherman issue were war games that were popular in the 70's and 80's. Panzerblitz, Panzer Leader and Squad Leader all come to mind. The former two take a complex vehicle like a tank and reduced it to four numbers-- relative gun power, range of gun, relative armor strength and speed. It's simplistic and doesn't factor in crew, ability to acquire targets, etc, etc. On cardboard, the Sherman comes up short, especially as a platoon. Arab Israeli Wars played much better for me as those intangibles kind of equaled out as AFV's improved.
In Squad Leader, it isn't much better. Armor strength is broken down into hull and turret, but complex and unwieldy rules address fast turret traverse and it's just too damn hard to factor in periscopes, target acquisition and other factors. The US Army figured out there was a 30 second gap between a Panther seeing a target on the fly and firing the first round. Hard to game that without a bunch of rules.
@Jimmy De'Souza I think that just makes it even more damning. If he refuses to even acknowledge that he even wrote it, he must really not stand behind it.
"My camera team comes from Minsk" sounds like the pass phrase on a spy movie.
Shhh, don't blow MAJ Moran's cover! :v
Exposure time in a middle-eastern street fight often depends on how long it takes the bad guys a few blocks away take to start lobbing mortar rounds on your position. Also, heavy tanks on 3rd world infrastructures can be disastrous if the way hasn't been scouted for integrity...had a buddy who fell through a street in an Abrams into the sewers/old city below(the city was built on top of an ancient city).
I found this video to be highly informative and entertaining, thanks again Nicholas!
Looking forward to seeing the dog sometime!
The ancient city/roads not being built on solid roads is something I think alot of people forget about. Especially in America(there arent ancient cities to build over really). And does present an interesting problem, since alot of that wont be on most maps so you might not know that you have to scout it since you just believe that roads are by and large solid.
Excellent comment, has given me quite a bit to think about.
It is a pity my Dad passed away 20 years ago. I think you would have enjoyed sitting listening, and discussing his experiences in the U.S. Army from 1939 to the 1965. His proudest time being 6th Armored Division. Dad retired as a 1st Sargent at Ft Devens. It was also the base he also enlisted there, lying about his age as he was 17 at the time.
My father enlisted in 1939, landed in North Africa and Normandy. Transferred to the new US Air Force in 46 and retired in 75. He was a real lifer Senior Chief Master Sgt worked on the original B 52s.
@@r.g.o3879 my father fully expected to go to Africa with 2nd Armored Division. He was however transferred to the 6th Armored Division that was being formed it was part of the cadre of experienced officers and ncos to form the skeleton of the division. From there they got basically people out of training, basic in advance armor training, to fill the ranks of the division.
You badly need a small plastic dinosaur next to those tanks.
actually a size scale representative set of dinosaurs to tanks would be informative.
And a megalodon
It's gotta be an Ankylosaurus. LOL! On top of my dresser I have a number of model tanks, toy tanks, and dinosaurs.
Or a Godzilla model posed as if it is chasing the tanks off
chris younts or even better yet: Godzilla climbing stacked Ha-Go’s like a set of stairs
The Bradley Warhammer was in testing for a long time, but the Javelin was found to be insufficient for the purpose of removing pop-up peer threats during an actual symmetrical war. You're not always going to be shooting at rusty T-55s out in the desert.
It is interesting reading this comment two years later as we watch Javelin absolutely demolish Russian tanks, even T90M’s, in Ukraine.
@@bk99911what does that have to do with what he said, other than both being comments related to the Javelin missile? All he said was that the Javelin was found insufficient to deal with one very specific type of target, due to the targeting limitations. None of that means it's somehow incapable of blowing holes in things on the flat plains of the Ukraine.
Range control/ Bn. Master Gunner also got a bit peeved when you used the 105mm(M60A3TTS) on the rpg team. Master Gunner said he wouldn't have given me credit, but we hit one of the silhouettes so it counted.
10/10 same guy forgets to switch from main to coax in real world shoot.
But I’ve never seen range control as angry as I saw them at PTA in Hawaii. We had this “high speed” night M240 range without night vision. I may have directed my gunner on to the pop up target control box, and once we created sparks on it, every 240 in my company directed onto it. We had to go for another range the next day and the box looked like a colander. I literally watched this guy tear my cherry platoon leader apart verbally.
@@fathead8933 my first gunnery I misidentified a borrsight panel as a PC and took it out sending an MPAT round through the open legs of a camera tower. Nothing was damaged except the borrsight panel which had an MPAT shaped hole through the center.
I was a mechanic in the army for the Bradley Fighting Vehicle. And yes there was a monster in every vehicle that the military has. Lost so many tools trying to keep things running. And if I recall the M60 has the same number of track links on the sides of the tank. But that is me trying to remember from 1984 when I was a 19E. I think that there was a newbie task of counting them to find the odd side of track links. But that was 36 years ago.
I have been looking into the track issue and have found out that the m60a1 had 81 0n one side and 80 on the other but the a2 and a3 and the original m60 all had the same number on both sides. Can not find out why. But would love to know why. The manuals that I could find on line did not say why. That is all from the Dino Rider for now.
Oh yah need to see the puppy.
At Ft. Knox when it was still an Armor Center there was a ready trailer in the ammo dump for the unit on standbye alert for the Gold Depository As a Drill Sergeant I sat watching it for 3 days with rotating pairs of recruits coming and going every 2 hours. There was a folder with the authority to release info in it. Somewhere around there was a on call civilian to manage the gates who would get a call along with the alert crews. If it got more serious getting vehicles ready from the bunch used for Armor training would have been a bigger problem than getting the ammo pallets out in the open for pickup. Some weekend nights we would have ten inbound trucks parked in the inbound holding area with sleeping drivers with loads of ammo ready to check in on Monday morning. Lots of fork lifts and drivers for them always on call if needed.
Ammo or no ammo I think just showing up with a bunch of tanks would be enough to bluff out anyone fool enough to try to break into the gold repository.
WRT differences in exposure time: If your friend was serving in Europe in the 80s then it's very likely they were operating under a 'hold the line' plan to prevent Soviet incursions.
“Tank exposure” this conversation reminds me a lot about the exposure time for snipers who worry about how many rounds they fire or how long to stick around after firing the first shot.
Generally I remember snipers shouldn’t shoot long in the same spot for fear of motors or artillery. About 2 shots was “safe” before someone could guesstimate the sniper. I guess a similar “rule” applies to tanks anywhere.
As one of the two shortlisted company's for the Challnger LEP program Rheinmatel was given two Challenger 2 to act as test and demonstration vehicles for their proposals. Also since Rheinmatels recent move to the UK and purchase of 55% of BAE land systems they probably have access to BAE personal challenger fleet.
Hahahaha my man, "if the zombie apocalypse was to happen this is what I'd give the wife." Hahaha 10/10 for honesty.
Probably the Tavor, maybe the AXR.
Women tend to be excellent shots when provided stable firing positions with proper support and appropriate weaponry, as the Russians proved.
Star Trek Minatures, Tank discussion, and a Sig 556. That made my day.
The M48A3 was diesel powered and there was no fuel efficiency difference between it and the M60 series at the time of Viet Nam. The flexibility of 90mm ammunition, in particular canister was what made the M48 a better choice. Most of the time my basic load was 55 M377 canister and 10 rounds of HE M71. M336 canister was available and some TC's liked it in certain situations, it did have one drawback in that when closing disc would sometimes vibrate out. The M494 APERS (Beehive) on the M60 did NOT live up to its hype. When the initial Master Gunner classes in 1975 started, we had students fire all the service rounds. We discovered that the mechanical fuze was very unreliable and the time too coarse for it to accomplish what was claimed for it. It was not uncommon to see as much as 500 to 1000 meters range error. Canister on the other hand was great. The benefit of the the rifled gun is the spin opened up the pattern quickly and spread flechettes to great effect. Conversely, patterning too tightly was a problem in the development of the canister for the 120.
No AP at all? I think I would have wanted one or two rounds just in case something bigger than a PT76 showed up...
@@ScottKenny1978 No SHOT was ever issued while I was there. When we went into Cambodia we took I think 4 rounds of HEAT-T and it was old T300E56. More useful was the half dozen concrete piercing fuzes for some of the HE and SMOKE. We also used some tricks from WW2 gunnery manual in using HE-Delay to collapse trench works and ricochet airburst.
@@wd4scz579 interesting! Always good to hear from someone who was there.
This is a hypnotic message, and after reading this you will do the chieftain's hatch on a strv m 41or a pz 38 t . :)
I got a copyright strike, thanks.
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OH MY GOD MY QUESTION WAS MENTIONED!!! GOD BLESS YOU CHIEFTAIN!!!!!
These get better and better. Thanks!
Once again, sir, the usual "tour deforce" of answers to wacky questions. Thankyou
I've found that CZcams does not send reminders for many channels I have subscribed to (including clicking the bell icon for notification). Other channels have reported similar problems with their alerts.
It's got to the point where I am manually going through my subscriptions to find updates.
If we can hear the dog, we need to see the dog!
It has been dispersed inline with current Air defence and camouflage doctrine.
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@@GCJT1949 before I even click that link I'm betting it goes to one of The Tank Museum's curator chats.
Good to see you got it out this weekend!
It's all good chieftain, always good to have guest appearances lol. Great videos.
You sell your self short Chieftain. What you have to add to a video about the falkland conflict or any other subject you would be enthusiastic about is yourself. You've gotten people watch you assemble models....I'd get a kick if you'd go full on Lindy Biege
Only Lindy Beige can do 'Full On Lindy Beige'! :-)
One note on killdozer, apparently it did have additional cooling installed but the bulldozer's radiator was damaged at some point before it got stuck, from a youtube video I recall that cited the 2017 book. Perhaps in addition to starting the thing driving skills should be an area of knowledge for the armored vehicle rampage inclined insane.
Well, its a design failure to have intakes that can be damaged by ramming in a ramming based vehicle.
I'd also add that everything I've heard about the thing shows very little thought or planning past throw enough raw mass on to "protect" it. Man is lucky he wasn't somewhere that the police couldn't nail it with a big game magnum hunting rifle or just pound away at it with 7.62.
That mass certainly making for a short lifespan of the vehicle before failure even if no one did anything.
@@xt6wagon Wow. Caterpillar doesn't do any R&D on their new equipment, right? They just CAD them up and start manufacturing, and everything goes exactly as planned...
The damn thing was what someone would call a "prototype" if there ever was an example - sorry it wasn't utterly flawless on the first try?
That said, talk about nitpicking - the reality is that it worked more than well enough to do exactly what he designed it to do. He was never leaving that machine alive, and he destroyed a hell of a lot before it came to an end; he destroyed 13 buildings(including the town hall, the former mayor's house, and the newspaper that represented him negatively in local news, and it lasted 2 hours. Didn't realize the damn thing was still supposed to be ready for mass production too, in spite of his personal goals...
@@RyTrapp0 I think you are missing something. I was talking about some rando who put tons of steel and concrete. who then drove it through buildings.
Not sure who does the engineering for demolition or military dozer modifications, but engineering is done.
The killdozer radiator got damaged if I remember from a careless attack into a building a bit to much sideways. I mean up to that point he had basically gone strait into buildings without a problem.
And really do some think the armor had not managed to stand up ageist weapons? Like yea a tank gun had managed to stop it but even if they had some potent snipers or heavy anything to shoot at it what makes the armor still not relevant? It surely had taken time before it finally had effectively ended.
Since he only had a limited view outside + already done allot of damage before taking critical damage it was well built for the task. What finally did it in was not the engine but one of the tracks sank into a corridor in a basement or something like that. Think of a tank instead of going over a WW1 trench drove right into it parallel with the trench. The track fell in and the bulldozer even without the extra weight had not gotten out of that place.
It was going to end one way or a outer so that the radiator got damaged just meant that the time drastically shorten and so he got stuck trying to do the last bit before the engine gave up from most likely the pistons expanding and getting stuck inside of the engine block or something overheat related.
"I was talking about some rando who put tons of steel and concrete. who then drove it through buildings."
Um, not so random, if you actually read up on the incident.
I love the description of “selective de-masking” for that poor loader
Am I right in thinking that the loader, once de-masked, would then be the ‘canary in the coal mine’ and have to get out of the tank. If he lived - it was safe, if he didn’t - not so much?
@@iainbaker6916 It’s for dismounts too. Your officer takes your rifle (with you at gun point) and forces you to take it off. There’s a whole process for it
I was in an M60 battalion from 78-82. Yes they had one additional track block on the right side. Certain about the extra block, not so about which side any more. When ordering track for the tanks, it was always an odd number. At Ft Polk, we never got new stuff. Can you imagine "reconditioned" track? We replaced a lot of track.
"I like controversies sometimes". I swear I could hear "the wife" laughing in the back... 🤣🤣
Do you remember the timestamp for this?
I just wondered about that: how does an army upscale or downscales its tank personnel when changing vehicles? For instance, if France or Japan was to get a new tank without an autoloader and hence needing a 4th crew member, how does that work? Does the army recruit more to fill the gap or do already engaged crewmen get relocated? if there is any policy ruling this kind of thing, that is
Jampzi yep, all these things are fore planned. The extra crew members would mean increased recruitment programmes, accommodation, rations, training course specific to trade, funding, etc. There is a lot to it but the system adapts as required. If you drop a crewman the trained personnel aren’t lost either. They can be offered other roles within their Corps or within the Army at large.
If you have too many you can offer shorter length of time for those wanting out of service, you can even offer free redundancy for those desperate to go.
Something that happened in my service was they stopped promotions in certain ranks for a few years. They lowered recruitment, offered early retirement on full pension to the SNCO/WO nearing end of contract and many took it. Destroyed plenty of careers sadly of many and we lost a lot of future SNCO and officer candidates but necessity overtook personnel’s needs.
The French keep extra tankers in their platoons/companies to assist with maintenance and serve as a reserve in case crewmen are injured. Presumably they would simply move these guys out of their tag along APC and into the new tanks.
To expound on what Steve said a bit, these decisions are planned out many years in advance usually 5-10, if not more. Most enlistments in the US military are for only one tour, so if it’s decided to go for net downsizing of a certain segment, and no planned reallocation of the manner into another area, they just tell recruiters to slow down a bit.
Haven't had a notification in about a month now....and that's for any of the channels I'm subbed to.
Keep up the good work. Love the videos.
M60 87 on the left and 88 track blocks on the right, in the opening section on the dash 10
you mean the m256 kits ??
This would probably help negate torque steer on initial acceleration, no?
I think the real issue in Question #1 is what missile is being fitted? Right now, the TOW specifically is questionable because it is bulky and relatively crude technology at this point, obsolescent if far from actually obsolete. We use them because we have them and no enemy at present has forced us to replace our aging weapons by attrition in conflict or by developing a revolutionary system that renders them inadequate. For sure, the move to put more Javelins or similar weapons that have similar potential lethality in a much smaller package is probably the better path forward. The saved weight and space would be useful while the Javelin would be sufficiently lethal to make even MBTs take care when fighting IFVs with them.
You guys should really consider the spike,
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even if its not made in USA ...
I would not say that TOW is outdated or particularly large and heavy for armored vehicle. Those missiles are large and heavy for infantry to operate, not for armored vehicle to carry as a side mount. Furthermore, while I have my doubts about BGM-71E who seem to be already outdated with 900 mm potential armor penetration. I do think that BGM-71F version with top down attack mode offers best potential performance. Missile system is just 100,000 a pop. Not much to be honest, but the main issue is that they are just attached missiles with no thought added. If those missiles could be integrated from grounds up into vehicles like an external containers capable of surviving destruction of its carrying vehicle, that would put a lot more value to a vehicle and would make it a necessity.
@@REgamesplayer its weight is relative, i think they meant that we can now make missiles with similar or greater performance that are smaller and lighter (allowing more to be carried in a vehicle of similar internal space or more other stuff to be carried like dismounts)
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Maybe.
However having same type of missile for dismounted infantry and vehicles is just silly as capacity and capabilities of vehicles are a lot greater. TOW BGM-71E is a great example of that. Its 900 mm of penetration is not enough to penetrate even old Soviet tanks, much less anything modern. Having another missile modification with bigger missile would work wonders in increasing weapon's effectiveness.
@@REgamesplayer we already have Hellfires mounted on the new Stryker air defense variant. They seem like the obvious choice to replace TOW on Bradley to me barring some technical limitation of the Bradley prohibiting this.
Good to hear from ya again chieftain God bless. And you and your fam stay safe from your fans in Alabama.
As a current 13B who has crewed both variants of the paladin, the M109A7 is a significant upgrade over the A6. The biggest change was switching from a hydraulic system to power the turret and rammer to a high voltage system. the switch makes maintenance easier as the A7 now also shares the same powerplant as the Bradley, and the rammer goes from taking 8 seconds to completely cycle to approx. 1.5 seconds. there were also numerous survivability upgrades made including bolt on armor kits, a second "shot" for the engine AFES and a protective blanket over the fuel tank that renders the fuel inert if it gets punctured by shrapnel or a round. The first and last road wheels on each side have rotary dampers on the torsion bars, giving the paladin a couple more inches of ground clearance. The rotary dampers also are sufficient enough at absorbing recoil that the A7 no longer has spades for use during high charge fire missions and the parking brake and suspension is all that's needed. there are numerous other improvements, but these were the ones that had the highest impact that I remember.
My background is in signals interception (MI). You know how this works, if I did know for a fact that the US MI/NSA could triangulate frequency hopping radios then I would not be able to speak about it. However, knowing what the USA could do 40 years ago, then I will eat my hat if they can't do so today. As for smaller countries It depends on how big their budget is for SigInt.
Hey, a fellow SIGINT-er! (I was in about 30 years ago) Short and unclassified answer is that any EM radiation can be traingulated in theory. How easily a frequency-hopper could be located i would think depends on a combination of how long a station transmits before hopping and how fast the separate DFs (basically a line of bearing) from more than one receiving station could be collected and correlated. Judging by capabilities of our barely-out-of-Vietnam-era equipment we had in the late 80s - early 90s I, too, would be shocked if it were not easily possible with modern equipment.
@@jarink1 A single emission gives you a line of bearing and can get you in the general area pretty easily on the platoon and company level given the distances typically present for such units.
As a radio specialist trained in 03, the frequency hopping radio we used was rated for classified transmissions when it was first issued in the last years of the 80ies, but when I got trained on it, it was only rated for 'protected' traffic.
Funnily enough the one thing that saved our bacon in the mid 80ies when U-137 ran aground almost within pissing distance of one of our major naval bases, was the first ever activation of the "war mode" freq. hopping function on a mobile coastal artillery Fire Control Radar station, deployed at the site of a long before dismantled 21cm coastal defence battery.
The duty officer in charge that morning bluffed big time when he spotted the Soviet Baltic fleet starting towards the territorial water zone. The costal defence QRF had only managed to get a single mobile 155mm gun in position and ready to fire by the time he had to do something or allow the Soviets to escalate beyond what could easily have turned the cold war hot in the Baltic...
As the Soviets had no idea we posessed freq. hopping tech at all by that time, their fleet commander was so taken aback by this agressive change in behaviour that he decided to err on the side of caution and kick the ball back to the diplomats.
My father served as a Lt.Col. in the coastal artillery at the time, and personally knew the duty officer in question as a friend and not just a fellow officer.
My personal statement is that both "not easy" and "totally possible" are correct. Not that I got to play with the ESM stack in the sub.
@@jarink1 a little late to this party, I have to say it is very possible, but you have to know what the frequencies the target xmitter hops to and also know its hop rate. A good 98G/35P with an oscilloscope could probably see the hops, but getting a good DF would probably require some serious hardware to figure out the hop algorithms then get a good LOB. That said, I do understand serious research has been carried out to that effect.
Can the Cheiften do an indepth, military analyse of “I Do Not Like Green Eggs and Ham” by Dr. Suess??
a better choice would be "The Butter Battle Book"
I'm getting notifications, and i watch and like them everytime they show up!😀 you have the best content on youtube in my opinion at least lol
Luv ur shows keep up the good work and TY for ur service
Am I the only one to notice the googly eyes on the HEAT warhead, right under Nick's cavalry hat?
No. I did too. 😃🙂
ref: 15:48 What can I tell you about the tank rampage in San Diego? ... a similar case, probably more, occurred in Germany in the 1986-88 time frame. IIRC someone stole an M60, for whatever reason he drove it onto a bridge and the polizei were at both ends. Why he didn't just drive over their cars I don't know, the US Army had tasked a attack helicopter unit to take him out. Word was that they were drawing straws to see who could get to go and do the kill. Anyway it all came to naught when the guy managed to drive the tank off the bridge and into the river. It landed upside down and the guy drowned. He probably was either hurt on impact or otherwise unable to open the 35lb escape hatch to get out in time.
He probably wouldn’t have been able to get it open until the thing filled up anyways, due to the water pressure. Same thing happens all the time to people who drive into rivers and lakes unfortunately.
was that an M48 or M60? seems something similar happened in Phoenix Az about that time frame. a sheriff or highway trooper climbed onto the turret and fired a shot that ricocheted around in the turret then hit the thief.killing him.
There was an M60A3 stolen from the C Co 5/77 AR motor pool in July of 1982. The guy was a tank driver in the unit, he popped the driver's hatch and drove it out the back fence and into town. He was trying to back up on the bridge of the Neckar River when he went over the side. He drowned, as the tank landed upside down in the river. The army tried to pulled the tank out of the river using M88 ARVs, eventually they had to use a floating construction crane. I was assigned to that unit in 1984, and there were still people in the unit that were there when the event happened.
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Another good one. Many thanks.
Excellent as always, most educational
Thank you
Two questions for Chieftain:
The first a non tank ship question: Chieftain, what is your favorite ocean liner used in a support role in the world wars? And would you sail on it in peace time if given a time machine?
The second: Chieftain, what is your thoughts of integrating Artificial Intelligence on the acquisition of targets in AFVs in the far future? Think assisting human crew members with fast thinking software to shorten the targeting process?
I humbly submit for vote referencing 'Turret Monsters' of turret-less vehicles as "Casemate Killer" 's.
Always find it interesting and enjoyable sir!
wonderful as always
a question for the Chieftain:
what are the advantages of double pin track over single pin track if there are any?
In a single pin, you get short links and short pitch, so a common track (of the time across Cold War and later) from Russian tanks IFVs will get a nicely shaped curve over your drive sprocket and tension wheel. It has lots of knobs to get a lot of "grab" toward the ground and a little possibility to clog thick in it mud cuz everything is in motion. I guess it can work better off-road.
With a double pin, you will get the long link (a longer pitch). Long enough to fit it with rubber pad. Since the solid area of the link is stuffed with pads - no thick mud will get there.
Single pin tracks are more "precise" when you want to take a link out of it that - if one got longer. A single pin is simple to make but can be a pain in the a..ss to split. Mostly when the tracks weren't in use for some longer time. Not so with a double pin. You will always take the connector off. With a typical single pin design, you got to punch out the pin. Not a rare thing is the need for the use of the torch to make pins and links red hot and work it out.
42:54
From Chieftain's Q & A to Forgotten Weapons real quick.
YES! The Sig 556! One of my favs in Counterstrike!
I'm glad to hear the membership drive worked for WOT. I'm still playing after joining earlier this year... and getting blown up a lot.
In 3RTR we used to call short tracking, half tracking ( basically when you've had to remove a front idler wheel because no spare is available at the time ) but with horstman ( Cheiftain ) or hydrogas ( Challenger ) suspension you don't have to worry about different length tracks, you just adjust depending on sag between top rollers ( that depends on track wear, more wear means you'll get more slack per track link due to cam shaft like track pins, the links don't stretch the track pins change shape, it's a bugger to change tracks when they're right at their limits as the track pins are a bugger to knock through to split the old track sections ). As to saluting, well to do it properly the right hand palm should be facing forwards with the fingers almost touching the cap or beret, none of this former colony nonsense ;)
Unless you are in the Royal Navy: they agree with the palm down salute!!
@@doughudgens9275 that's so the Sovereign cannot see their disgustingly dirty hands.
22:53 "...as loud, unexpected noises in the tank when in the middle of a battle can negatively affect the composure of a crew inside"
* snort * The Chieftain's trademarked deadpan humor strikes again.
I'm not certain, but I think he was quoting the manual there.
@@Bird_Dog00 Naw, I think this is along the lines of "Significant emotional event" and "Come 1939 also - shortly thereafter - a slight altercation kicked off in Europe".
Heading off to armourfest this weekend in cairns. Very much looking forward to what they have on offer this year
Two points, I heard the 50 Cal(ours) hits on my Bradley and the mortar round(theirs) that hit the busell rack. When I was stationed at Fort Knox in the mid 80's, we had a alert platoon at 4/54 Infantry. i could also hear mortar rounds(ours and close enough for concussion to give me a nose bleed) from inside M901.
The T-34 was stolen by a tank driver apparently, he said he knew it was going to happen so he jumped in it so people would not get hurt.
Funny thing is I was there at that time and I didn't even notice there being a tank at all. I got notified like weeks later in the news! :D
The Chieftain just gave the radio junkies permission to brawl in the comments section of his last video lmao
Good for you, set those boundaries
Thank you!
Greetings from Sweden 👍🏻
I thought it said arse cannons in the title😂😂😂 Armoured cheek.
Here in Melbourne, Victoria we're not allowed more than 5km from home let alone interstate.
That's exactly what Allies deserve
@@tigercat418 mate what the fuck?
How do you go grocery shopping, then?
@@ScottKenny1978 there's a supermarket 260m from my house
@@Sim.Crawford lucky you, I live "close" to about 4, and the closest is 1km ish. The next two are over 2km and the last is over 3.
Great video as always
NAILED IT!
6: "Have a look in the comment section and see if you guys can hammer out, between yourselves, the reality."
[I'm paraphrasing slightly]
Translation: "Everbody gets a knife, is put inside the pit, and not let out until the victor has eaten his/her way to victory...Warhammer Skaven diplomacy."
(I'm joking.)
(He's not joking.)
@@ekscalybur 😄🤔❤
In terms of missing crew members, how much cross training was there between different crew positions in WWII or when you were serving?
Could you reasonably expect a trained bow gunner to be able to drive the tank or operate the gun with a passable proficiency if the driver or gunner were casualties?
On a similar line, was pressing non-tankers to man the bow gunner or loader positions actually common? Fury is an obvious example in fiction, but I have read other claims of infantry being pressed into those roles treating it as a fairly routine thing in WWII.
Shaun Young in WW2 not every army did the same reference training but when you volunteered or were selected for armour you got assigned a role. Everyone had to be able to drive the tank in case the driver was unable. The driver course was the longest of the crew positions in the British & Commonwealth armies and was seen as “far more than needed” compared to other nations. This did lead to drivers being over used as crews couldn’t help as much lacking the training and knowledge that he had. A good crew of course pulls together as tired drivers tend to crash.
I was never a tankie but I did command APCs, our crews were driver/cmdr. Obviously each just did their appropriate course. The ideal I’d think on MBTs would be every new crewman is a trained driver advancing to gunner/loader and eventually cmdr leading to higher ranks like Troop SNCO. I might be wrong of course.
@@stevepirie8130 in the US, a tankie is a slang term for a communist possibly referring to the Tiannmen Square Massacre and the Tank Man incident. The correct term for a tank crewman is a tanker.
@@josephahner3031 Uh, no. Tankie originates from the UK in reference to members of the British communist party and predates Tienanmen by at least 6 years.
JSN Correct, it was from defending the Soviet intervention against anti-communist movements in Eastern Europe. The imagery of these events in the West prominently featuring the Soviet use of armour.
Great video!
last weekend my wife and i attended the tankfest2020 in cairns australia... it was the first time i had been to the armour museum and i was very impressed... the crowd was small due to the borders being closed however it did not effect the display in regard to quality.... i will attend again next year.. peter
As someone that is from Montreal and speaks fluent French, I'm curious, how good is your French....really? XD
Also, I've heard about some weird Sherman variants such as the Yugoslavs putting a 122 in an M4 (lol you thought the firefly was cramped) and the Chileans putting a 60mm in it. What can you tell us about such variants?
Futhermore, what is your opinion on all these new gun calibres for IFVs? Ranging from 30mm all the way up to 50mm!!!
The 60mm thing was a Israeli upgrade done for chilean army.
About that M4 122mm. I already heard about it existens but nothing more. The project probably became history the first time they pulled the trigger and the turret flew away thx to the recoil.
I knew they were former Israeli tanks that the Chileans had but I didn't know that Israel had done the conversion for them 🤔🧐 Interesting!
lol ya you're probably right about the 122 🤣
@@malcolm5514 I could be wrong on the Sherman with the 60mm, but as far as I know the Israeli only fielded the Sherman's with 75mm, 76mm and 105mm guns.
@@Tankliker That's true, but the 60mm High Velocity Medium Gun was an Italian-Israeli project
tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar-chile-m-60-sherman-hvms/
So far as I know, this was the last M4 in combat service (I'm not willing to say the M4 isn't in use somewhere as a combat vehicle)
Ahhh, the "unmasking" procedure.
I am both mortified and extremely curious about this now that I know what step 1 is.
@@TerLoki Me too. I tried googling it but all i could find was that infantry are also disarmed before taking their mask off. I wonder if it is because the exposure to the chemicals might drive them mad and they could shoot others or maybe themself, or more grimly, if it's so they can't refuse the order?
I am most curious, too
I happen to live just down the road from the museum at Cantigny. It's a shame that the tanks there can't be preserved to complete perfect condition, however I appreciate the opportunity for folks in the general public to climb around on the tanks.
Ford V Holden is basically Ford vs Aussie Chevy.
GMC divested itself of Holden. Is Holden still around? Geoff Who is curious.
@@GCJT1949 Holden is now dead as a brand with both GM/Ford finally got smart and rather than marketing a car that no one wanted are bringing in what will sell.
Wrong. Holdens were basically Buicks’.
15::48 et seq
The Posse Comitatus Act limits the use of the US military for domestic law enforcement. Interestingly, I received instruction on it in the officer Basic and Advanced Courses and at Command and General Staff - I would guess, they get it at the War College too. It sorta drives home the message, “Hey, dummy, the Army takes this seriously and if you value your commission, pay attention.” What I learned from all those earnest hours of lecture by the JAG was “Say 'No' and kick it upstairs.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
www.northcom.mil/Newsroom/Fact-Sheets/Article-View/Article/563993/the-posse-comitatus-act/
Yeah, before the paperwork even comes into play the Army would say nope. Illegal. Only National Guard can legally support law enforcement in the US off federal property and given that they no longer posess Apaches, Air National Guard with Mavericks or more likely infantry with whatever AT weapons can react quickest.
Which is a good thing because if there ever is an actual foreign invasion on US soil, the army shouldn't have to worry about getting shot in the back by the civilians they fight to protect...
@@josephahner3031 ? Pretty sure IDNG still has Apaches.
I never expected the 'mini' version of one of my favourite cuddly toys to be on your desk
You have the large Squishable T-Rex? I've a couple of the larger squishables in the house, but they really do take up room.
@@TheChieftainsHatch They certainly do, but they are so wonderfully soft and huggable.
I literally live a block down Aden Rd from that museum! Very sad it's been canceled this year, but if you can come next year it'd be awesome to meet you!
In a turretles vehicle I bet the hull monster just gets fatter.
Tracked mortar: look at the AMOS. HUGE amount of fireower. Matsimus has a nice video on it.
matsimus just reads off wikipedia
Posi Troll ammo is cheap
I happen to be in Cairns for work, so Armour Fest, here I come!
Very interesting point on the min range of TOW
59:21
You point your gun at the loader, force him to give you his gun, then force him to play canary?
Muzzled the ‘sniff test’ was always joked about until it happens for real 😂
Sucks to be low man on totem pole in chem warfare
just an idiotic/childish question for the next Q&A:
in an apocalyptic situation, what tank or rather, what parts of tanks from WWII (manufactured/prototype) would you use to make a suitable/perfect bug-out vehicle?
also considering the limited supplies and sparse materials that can be found in the wasteland/any other apocalyptic setting.
Presuming the US, I unironically think a Bob Semple-esque vehicle will be your best bet. You’re gonna want to start a farming community if you want to live more than five years beyond the average expiration date of canned food and leave a legacy, and a simple tractor will be immensely handy for this, and defensive warfare against raiders/looters will be key in this aspect. Easier to repair, too. I can’t imagine there’s much in terms of Anti-Tank munitions beyond loose .50 for fun and some antiques, so the armour only needs to be effective against hunting rifle calibers and whatever is below. Combine this with a detachable armoured body that you hoist up into a barn that you can drop onto the tractor at a moments notice while not being in the way otherwise, and you got yourself all you really need.
when did NATO discover the Russians had built their tanks with NBC protections?
none. I'd start with either a Stryker or Piranha (with auto cannon turret, not a 105), at least one military utility trailer loaded with supplies/equipment (food, water and fuel).
Your'l probably want to grab the wood gasifier off some of the German training tanks, that way you could power the tank off trees you cut down...other than that, I'd probably go for mostly Sherman parts due to their reliability...
T-34 or Sherman, maybe even late Pz. III or IV.
The MPF project of US army is still using the 105mm m35 as main weapon and other light tanks such as type 15 and vt5 (which is very different from type 15 interms of engine and turret armor) are using 105mm gun as their main weapon.
So glad my stupid question got noticed and answered, although I didn't ask the question about 3rd AD, that was someone else.
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43:50 "As near to a NATO AK as it gone get" Oh really? How about Polish Beryl rifle? Have you forget that Poland is in NATO?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FB_Beryl
fair point
I was at the National Museum Of Military Vehicles in Wyoming Just the other day.
I got to visit my Tank.
I think you will enjoy the Museum, it is really extensive.
34:32
If anybody asks, the Leopard 2 with the 140mm is not a German, but a Swiss testbed. The gun is designed by RUAG.
The Germans also had a testbed, which also was fully developed until they stopped it, but the turret looked more like more massive A4 turret with a larger and longer gun in it.
Also, the French one isn't the original testbed anymore. The original tank got scrapped or build back as far as I know and only the gun and a stripped down turret where left which, then thx to a couple engeeniers was refitted on a older series 1 Leclerc hull which was put out of active service. I think the gun performance should be comparable to the German, British or American equivalents at the time.
The tank is also known as the "terminator" as a nickname.
25:40 Definitely not a German Leo2. The general rule here is Hit em, a second one while they are surprised and maximum a third round if you are sure to finish them all by then. After that GTFO to the next prepared hull down position and pray that the US is on the way sooner rather than later to help with the Soviets.
UwU Please dominate me America daddy