One of the most underrated films in the history of cinema. Brilliant film extraordinary message. This should be shown in today's schools but that would reactivate honesty, discipline, and active thinking which goes against the present plan.
When I look at that student, Sedgewick Bell, I see an emotional neglected child, a teenager that is no doubt a victim of his own parents bad work as a role model. This movie resonates with my school memories. Unfortunately we only live once, and in some aspects there is no second chance to rebuild our own life. At this point, we can confront these two quotes: "A man's character is his fate." ― Heraclitus (c. 500 BC) “You can't go back and change the beginning but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ― C.S. Lewis (1898-1963) Great movie, with a timeless message. 👨🎓⏳
@daniel day-lewis The point of the scene though is that the teacher abused his position and acted poorly. The message is not that one should go around quoting famous poets to show off and insult others who are less fortunate. Do yourself and others a favor and stop.
@daniel day-lewis The point of the scene though is that the teacher abused his position and acted poorly. The message is not that one should go around quoting famous poets to show off and insult others who are less fortunate. Do yourself and others a favor and stop.
It’s been a while since I’ve seen this. I think all the teacher was trying to do was just show him that when you have the attitude that you’re above everything, you’re only making yourself look like a fool to everyone
Most Fortunate for this student to encounter such a teacher. One who just so happened to know how to cure stupid.. This makes one realize that stupid is actually a choice..
I don't think it is a choice though. Stupid is stupid. The word stupid implies an inbility to learn, ignorance on the other hand isn't, at least to a point.
It really is. A good strong will is the most important ingredient to success. Money is a product of success, not its source. If you do anything else, you're a tyrant at best.
one of my favorite lines was in the directors commentary *NOTHING IS REALLY A SURPRISE IN LIFE** No matter the exceptions life IS PREDICTABLE. foster character, build virtue, WORK for something valuable and in the end that is what you will have. On the other hand, continue in the lack of character and that is what you will end up with.
I love this so much idc how many people would think today a teacher would be wrong for putting a child in their place like this... Teacher are the most under paid people on this earth
The lesson one can learn from such a thing is, although they are laughing along with you, they are doing the work. There are three types of people in this scene, the teacher, the students and the clown.
Some people do struggle more to retain new information because of lack of cognitive ability, but "lack of cognitive ability" isn't the same thing as what Mr. Hundert is talking about here when he cites an "Aristophanes quote" (the quote was actually made up by the writers of the movie and there is no evidence of Aristophanes having said this, but the point is still a good one). He's talking about Sedgewick's stubborn refusal to take his education seriously.
This realization alone means you are less likely to become him. Do you really act like a spoiled brat and openly disrespect your good teachers? Do you lie, cheat, and steal just to get what you want?
I guess this is clip shows the problem of selecting parts of a whole to make a point. The whole movie is a morality play and this scene in particular is just to show how this character was a walking morality problem. If you see the movie you see that the teacher fails the student even though he means well and that even he does not measure up to his own standards amd that the student was never meant to become a standup guy but an indictment of a type of priviliged rich elite.
This film is one of the greatest ever made dealing with the theme of ethics generally and academic integrity in particular. Sadly, the world has learned nothing from this great film and ethics are in the toilet. And as for academic integrity, we have only to see the disastrous products from Harvard, MIT, NYU, Columbia, etc., etc., where plagiarism and propaganda are the main things being "taught" at those institutions today.
I watched this with my parents when i was 10 years old and it was the start of me maturing as a young kid. My parents ended up typing up quotes from the movie and putting them in me and my brothers rooms. Think i need a watch for a refresh because im slipping a bit
That quote couldn't have been better or said. Unfortunately in today's society iam often overwhelmed by a movie "idiocracy " that is actually taking place as I txt. Its sad....
why?? He is the typical personification of the self righteous pompous DisRespectful rich Lording it over a man who is trying to instill character, virtue, and he laughs all over it.
Memorizing large amounts of data is a task that computers will do better than humans. It is increasingly more important to have an open mind and be capable of asking the right questions. Perhaps there is an important problem which requires knowledge of the policies of a particular Roman emperor, but that knowledge will likely be found through a search rather than rote memorization.
The message the teacher is conveying is not that rote memorization is the key to success, but that Mr. Bell isn't even trying in the class at all. Over forty emperors had been discussed in the class, and he didn't attempt to name one of them. Instead, he opted to challenge the teacher through making a joke of the course. He's not trying to be open minded about the course or ask the right questions. He's closed his mind to the course entirely and would rather horseplay than see if there's merit in learning the material. Also, I'd think rather than saying "I'll google that", you'd rather be able to say "Oh yeah, I know that!"
It doesn't help that Google has the information for you if you don't even know what you're searching for. (Or even that there is something worth searching.) I may not be able to precisely remember something that I learned by rote in school, but the fact that I can recall that I learned it, and the general gist of it, is what allows me to look it up now 30 years later and make use of it. In other words, it empowers me to "ask the right questions".
The Greatness of the men that had conquered and contributed,.. is what is being taught. These Great men are honored by being remembered , respected and Emulated. Their truths can only be taught by seeing them as men and not ambiguous men of old. It is a tragedy that virtue is not instilled in today's leaders.
They're school kids, what kind of "important problems" do you think they should be solving in a history class? They're there to learn history, and part of that involves familiarising them with the basic names involved.
Instead of working to build rapport with a student, let's humiliate him in front of his peer group. This is an example of a what a real teacher should never do. Also, his curriculum seems to have an awful lot of rote memorization in it - why are the students memorizing all these names? Can they do any higher order thinking?
@Jason B. Oh please, he built plenty of rapport with all the students. Segwick chose to be adversarial and got an incredibly mild and appropriate response from the teacher, essentially just "wow you've learnt nothing while all your peers know this stuff easily". The students have memorized those names because they're the fundamental categories upon which all of the subsequent information and discussion is based. It's kinda like asking why teachers ask preschoolers to recite the alphabet. 🙄
One of the most underrated films in the history of cinema. Brilliant film extraordinary message. This should be shown in today's schools but that would reactivate honesty, discipline, and active thinking which goes against the present plan.
My favorite coming of age movie. Brilliantly cast, meticulously delivered. Kevin Klein in particular!
There is bit of that too I guess but I don't see this as coming of age movie at all.
What is the name of this movie? I'm not familiar with it, but, it looks interesting!
The Emporers Club. It is Brilliant!
@@ramonafeisley5732 Thank you. I look forward to watching it!!!!!!
What Bell never understood was that the class was laughing at him not laughing with him!
bravo
One of the best movies I've seen. Sadly, less people today live with a life of virtue.
Actually the teacher gave him an option of being Ignorant, to prove that he is not Stupid. I need to see this movie for myself.
When I look at that student, Sedgewick Bell, I see an emotional neglected child, a teenager that is no doubt a victim of his own parents bad work as a role model.
This movie resonates with my school memories. Unfortunately we only live once, and in some aspects there is no second chance to rebuild our own life.
At this point, we can confront these two quotes:
"A man's character is his fate." ― Heraclitus (c. 500 BC)
“You can't go back and change the beginning but you can start where you are and change the ending.” ― C.S. Lewis (1898-1963)
Great movie, with a timeless message.
👨🎓⏳
A well handled situation, a cure for stupidity.
What a retort... I've quoted this so many times, and every single time it makes the other person stupified and speechless...thx
@daniel day-lewis The point of the scene though is that the teacher abused his position and acted poorly. The message is not that one should go around quoting famous poets to show off and insult others who are less fortunate. Do yourself and others a favor and stop.
@daniel day-lewis The point of the scene though is that the teacher abused his position and acted poorly. The message is not that one should go around quoting famous poets to show off and insult others who are less fortunate. Do yourself and others a favor and stop.
@@davidm9935 I'm afraid you missed the point entirely.
@@davidm9935 Wah, sounds like the cries of an idiot.
It’s been a while since I’ve seen this. I think all the teacher was trying to do was just show him that when you have the attitude that you’re above everything, you’re only making yourself look like a fool to everyone
Most Fortunate for this student to encounter such a teacher. One who just so happened to know how to cure stupid..
This makes one realize that stupid is actually a choice..
I don't think it is a choice though. Stupid is stupid. The word stupid implies an inbility to learn, ignorance on the other hand isn't, at least to a point.
He never actually learned. If you watch the film, you see he ended up being a smug, hypocritical, corrupt person.
Stupid isnt a choice. Hes challenging him to educate himself out of ignorance
It really is. A good strong will is the most important ingredient to success. Money is a product of success, not its source. If you do anything else, you're a tyrant at best.
Stupidity is the same as immaturity/ignorance, but it can more or less be a choice. Choices can't be cured.
Class... destroy the rest of his self-esteem!
Assuming he had any to begin with
one of my favorite lines was in the directors commentary *NOTHING IS REALLY A SURPRISE IN LIFE** No matter the exceptions life IS PREDICTABLE. foster character, build virtue, WORK for something valuable and in the end that is what you will have. On the other hand, continue in the lack of character and that is what you will end up with.
That’s excellent! Thanks for sharing this.
I love this so much idc how many people would think today a teacher would be wrong for putting a child in their place like this... Teacher are the most under paid people on this earth
I would give a bonus to said teacher. It hurts but sometimes you have to put a child in their place. Otherwise they never learn humility and respect.
...but stupid lasts forever. Class! Please, chronologically....
Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, Nero, Galba, Otho, Vitellius, Vespasian, Titus, Domitian, Nerva, Trajan, Hadrian, Antonius Pius, Marcus Aurelius, Commodus, Pertinax...
@@daguroswaldson257 good job on that. I think that's what they actually said.
The lesson one can learn from such a thing is, although they are laughing along with you, they are doing the work. There are three types of people in this scene, the teacher, the students and the clown.
This is the best scene ever!
Yep. I'd say a common wood beetle is above Sedgewick Bell.
Easily one of the best delivered and thought-out lines and sequences. I still reference this scenario at least monthly.
Some people do struggle more to retain new information because of lack of cognitive ability, but "lack of cognitive ability" isn't the same thing as what Mr. Hundert is talking about here when he cites an "Aristophanes quote" (the quote was actually made up by the writers of the movie and there is no evidence of Aristophanes having said this, but the point is still a good one).
He's talking about Sedgewick's stubborn refusal to take his education seriously.
That IS stupidity. Having a low IQ is not stupid, it's dumb or being simple-minded. Idiocy and stupidity require some degree of culpability.
This is one of my favorite scenes ever. But I'm still aware of Emile Hirsch doing the finger.
I loved every moment of that scene
one of my favourite scenes in this movie
How unfair to be born stupid but intelligent.
Bell was just a product of his environment.
Upper class, entitled and ignorant.
upper class only in $, there are many generous rich, grateful and educated people. Bell was one of the get rich quick from old money brats
That was really embarrassingly funny!
Sometimes I worry that I'm Sedgwick.
same
This realization alone means you are less likely to become him. Do you really act like a spoiled brat and openly disrespect your good teachers? Do you lie, cheat, and steal just to get what you want?
2:10 “Stupid lasts forever!”
I guess this is clip shows the problem of selecting parts of a whole to make a point. The whole movie is a morality play and this scene in particular is just to show how this character was a walking morality problem. If you see the movie you see that the teacher fails the student even though he means well and that even he does not measure up to his own standards amd that the student was never meant to become a standup guy but an indictment of a type of priviliged rich elite.
my favorite movie
This film is one of the greatest ever made dealing with the theme of ethics generally and academic integrity in particular. Sadly, the world has learned nothing from this great film and ethics are in the toilet. And as for academic integrity, we have only to see the disastrous products from Harvard, MIT, NYU, Columbia, etc., etc., where plagiarism and propaganda are the main things being "taught" at those institutions today.
1:28 is that Mark Zuckerberg lol
No, that’s Lex Luthor...
Stupid is not understanding. Dumb is not knowing.
I watched this movie with my dad a few days ago and this line deserves my roblox bio lol
I watched this with my parents when i was 10 years old and it was the start of me maturing as a young kid. My parents ended up typing up quotes from the movie and putting them in me and my brothers rooms.
Think i need a watch for a refresh because im slipping a bit
@@TheArsenalMan125 same
Moral of the story: this isn't his first rodeo.
He forgot Doc and Bashful
The sons of Durin were not the same as the sons of Romulus.
@@daguroswaldson257 well at least he was able to name all The Beatles
Dopey The Emperor kinda crazy
Oh trust me, even Dopey would have been superior to emperors such as Commudus and Caligula.
I need help with my history homework. Is the beetle available for tutoring?
All boys...
Typical politician then eh?
That quote couldn't have been better or said. Unfortunately in today's society iam often overwhelmed by a movie "idiocracy " that is actually taking place as I txt. Its sad....
20th anniversary
Melinda Gates is upset!
We did crap like this in high school hahaha
Not me. I was the nerd.
Found me
What is the title of this movie, please?
"The Emperor's Club"
What movie is this from
The Emperors Club
1:54
I felt kinda bad for Sedgewick
why?? He is the typical personification of the self righteous pompous DisRespectful rich Lording it over a man who is trying to instill character, virtue, and he laughs all over it.
what movie is this?
The Emperor's Club. I haven't seen it. But I don't believe Aristophanes said anything like this.
I don't know if Donald Trump was like Sedgewick Bell when he was in prep school, but he is certainly like Sedgewick now.
Memorizing large amounts of data is a task that computers will do better than humans. It is increasingly more important to have an open mind and be capable of asking the right questions. Perhaps there is an important problem which requires knowledge of the policies of a particular Roman emperor, but that knowledge will likely be found through a search rather than rote memorization.
The message the teacher is conveying is not that rote memorization is the key to success, but that Mr. Bell isn't even trying in the class at all. Over forty emperors had been discussed in the class, and he didn't attempt to name one of them. Instead, he opted to challenge the teacher through making a joke of the course. He's not trying to be open minded about the course or ask the right questions. He's closed his mind to the course entirely and would rather horseplay than see if there's merit in learning the material.
Also, I'd think rather than saying "I'll google that", you'd rather be able to say "Oh yeah, I know that!"
This is the sort of thinking that pushes us closer and closer to Idiocracy.
It doesn't help that Google has the information for you if you don't even know what you're searching for. (Or even that there is something worth searching.) I may not be able to precisely remember something that I learned by rote in school, but the fact that I can recall that I learned it, and the general gist of it, is what allows me to look it up now 30 years later and make use of it. In other words, it empowers me to "ask the right questions".
The Greatness of the men that had conquered and contributed,.. is what is being taught. These Great men are honored by being remembered , respected and Emulated. Their truths can only be taught by seeing them as men and not ambiguous men of old. It is a tragedy that virtue is not instilled in today's leaders.
They're school kids, what kind of "important problems" do you think they should be solving in a history class? They're there to learn history, and part of that involves familiarising them with the basic names involved.
Exactly what I wish to tell Trump.
Instead of working to build rapport with a student, let's humiliate him in front of his peer group. This is an example of a what a real teacher should never do. Also, his curriculum seems to have an awful lot of rote memorization in it - why are the students memorizing all these names? Can they do any higher order thinking?
Watch the movie. 🤦🏻♂️
kid just a got a dose of humility soup.
Jason you're right.
@Jason B. Oh please, he built plenty of rapport with all the students. Segwick chose to be adversarial and got an incredibly mild and appropriate response from the teacher, essentially just "wow you've learnt nothing while all your peers know this stuff easily".
The students have memorized those names because they're the fundamental categories upon which all of the subsequent information and discussion is based. It's kinda like asking why teachers ask preschoolers to recite the alphabet. 🙄
That's a long way of saying you haven't watch the movie.
College students being taught 8th Grade stuff. Seems legit.
StratosphereSTUDIOS they’re in high school
Are you blind?
sooo...Trumpff supporters are Mr Bell
What movie is this?
the emperor's club
jillylovebug
Thanks