This is me. I am the best AWBW player. I completely demolished... myself. Edit: At the time I played this match, I didn't know comm towers gave no income. That would have, and has ever since, heavily influenced my decision making. Nowadays I get to them when I get to them. 17:23 I always forget that goddamn city, it's super easy to overlook and a pain to reach. 26:00 I attacked that infantry hoping to make it slower to cap properties. I played VERY greedily on this second-ever-match hahaha 28:58 I guffawed at that reaction LOL 31:50 You have to keep in mind that at this point even after watching ALL your videos I had never heard you mention the no-go zone, so it was not even in my head. Nowadays, it's at the forefront of my mind! 38:00 Would you believe me if I told you this was my second match ever and I didn't know my CO meter was full? I forgor
Thank you for offering your game up as fodder for analysis. :) Don't feel bad about missing the power meter. I see a lot of folks either neglect their CO powers or use them exclusively at the end of their turn.
I really like this idea to be honest, by looking at at a new player's game and see mistakes that you (as another new player) would make is going to teach you a lot more than seeing high level plays but not really understanding which decisions led to that play. Hope this idea catches on and we can see more low level games like this
Mangs releases a noob game analysis and Deejus releases a 1300 MMR tips video within a few hours of each other. This feels coordinated, like a pincer attack from two deadly front shifts.
On City-Skipping: If there is a City within 3-Range of your base, and there is a City within 6-Range of your base, skipping the 3 range base to get the 6 range base only leads to a temporary income disadvantage. If you take the nearby city first, and then send another infantry on a 2 turn journey (and ultimatively a 3 turn capture) for the second city, by the day you first gain income from that city, your income is the same as the income of the city-skipper. The city skipper instead of starting to capture now, starts capturing 2 properties at once next turn, and by the time it is done, the next day the total funds are identical. I didn't do the full math to see if there is an excuse for cityskipping to a 3-days away city or the like, but the 2-days away property rush results in exactly the same funds at day 4 (counting from day 1), at which point combat is unlikely to have happened yet anyway. In fact, one could speak of a potential, if situational, advantage to the city-skipper here, because on day 4 he gets to move both infantry, while the non-skipper needs to use the second infantry to finish the capture, though the first infantry got to move twice compared to the skippers first infantry's once. P.s.: This works because the conventienal approach takes the first city in 2 days but the second city in 4 days, while the skipper takes both cities in 3 days. The city skipper winds up in a slightly better position, provided no immediate counter needed to be build from missing funds, while mitigating the 1000 lost on day 3 with and extra 1000 gained on day 4. Provided successful capture of the cities is assured, this approach is always applicable, if the point of origin of the capturing infantry is the base that produced it, no matter the game time. With skipping, after 4 days, total funds gained are equal to the non-skipper. This also applies if you have 2 infantries near each other, one that can reach a city now, and one that can't, but the first Infantry could target to reach a farther away city to start capturing next turn, while the second starts capturing the city skipped by the first one next turn. Again, provided the area is uncontested (usually early mid-game at some edges of the map), The 1000 funds disadvantage 2 days later is mitigated by a 1000 funds extra gain 3 days later. EDIT: Just confirmed that the same logic applies if city 1 is 2 turns away and city 2 is 3 turns away, though it takes until day 6 until both approaches lead to the same fund-total, with the temporary 1000 fund disadvantage sitting on day 5 for the skipper. EDIT: After doing some more calculating, I want to correct mangs here on the claim that the Skipper lost 1000 funds multiple times going for that corner city in the upper right. While I won't go in detail here, ignoring inoptimal play afterwards, what was lost is not 1000funds x turns yada yada, what was lost was 1000 funds once, meaning, for an expected fundtotal at the end of the match of 100.000, you will have a 99.000. And the only reason that this happens in this case is, that there is not just a city 2 turns away, and a city 3 turns away, there are in fact multiple cities reachable in 2 turns, so ignoring one of those for the benefit of capturing a 3-turn far city is a total net loss of 1000 funds, or one infantry, over the course of the match.
Low ELO Legends (Age of Empires 2) / Bronze League Heroes (Starcraft 2) is often more fun to watch than "clinical" after "clinical" grandmaster matchup. Good for you to shake things up every once in a while!
In the world of chess, Gotham Chess has a series called "Guess the ELO", where he guesses what the rates of players are based upon their play style. That might work for Advance Wars, if there are enough games available!
There's other games too that have this kind of content I think AoE2 had a series from a channel whos' name i don't remember Starcraft 2 has a series called Rank Roulette by Harstem where he invites casters and pro players to watch a replay and guess the ELO and whoever guesses better wins. I think he also was a pro player at some point too idk, or at least a caster
Interesting thing about sonja mirror is that, as Sonja, you don't want too much indirect because it does not benefits from counter attack, but against Sonja, you do want indirect because they don't get counterattacked.
@@kentmichaelgalang686 You kidding? Sonja is capable of independent thought, communicates without relying on wojaks and COPE COPE SEETHE SEETHE RENT FREE RENT FREE SNEED SNEED babble, and doesn't get offended by the same things Twitter does.
15:30 Alright. To disable the cursor clicks, you need to go to Visual Settings and disable "Show Animations for Hidden Actions." For an added bonus and for a more authentic experience, you can also hide building status and fund count in the same menu too. If it says "Fog" in the option, disabling it will show the authentic ? in fog matches.
I think more low elo games would be a good idea. I feel like most fan casters for competitive games usually have a series of low elo games they cast. As it's a really good way to point out common mistakes and how to play better, I think it makes for a really good resource. Plus sometimes if you're looking at low elo games in the wild you can just find some wild stuff, people doing crazy out there tactics, which is also a really fun way to look at the game. Not just the people who really know what they're doing. Obviously I'd never want the high level commentaries to stop, but I think low level stuff can be just as fun and even more valuble for players looking to learn.
I appreciate how Mangs has grown as a competitive player. I still remember when Mangs loved to open with early recon and would ignore the no-go zones in his earlier matches. This is also the fist time I have seen Mangs refer to no-go zones as such, though by looking into the comments sections of Mangs vs veterans vids, they would note it there.
I figured out playing Days of Ruin where missiles have 6 range, covering missiles with other missiles makes punishing a push from air units much easier. The AI in that game likes to make pushes with air units, which with a little preparation are easy to pick apart. They should also be spaced outside each other's minimum ranges. Two missiles cover a LOT of air. Anyway, the point is, I hadn't considered this about tanks! Note for the future, and I'll consider what other units can cover my tanks.
Mangs this video spoke to me, I only ever played days of ruin and advance wars 2. Seeing a casual match/noob match was a lot less anxiety inducing! And I learned a bit too. Would you consider starting a series or supporting a range of pro level, medium, and beginner level AWBW videos? For me it would help me learn. (Even though I love playing grit or sonya, I love just playing with friends, but can’t really do that without boot camp.).
I know I would absolutely love to see more noob matches. I'm very seriously considering joining the AWBW field now just because I'm getting to see how other people at my level would play and it feels a lot less overbearing
Hi Mangs, I believe, I have to disagree with your baseskip statement in this case. The baseskip allowes the early Com-tower, and this gives the the reccon enough firepower to slow down the capture in the bottom area 1 additional turn. On a money decission I believe he hurts his enemy more, than he has lost. And on this way he ends up with an comtower advantage in the early battles. I personaly liked the skip.
Analysis from a Third Party 1:10 I suspect Klok only started after I mentioned reaching 1000 elo overall, majority of the matches played are in standard. Like most beginners and me initially, I believe the impression they got was that elo is easy to earn. If only they knew... (I struggled for a bit before putting together ideas that worked) 2:56 Strikethrough. Played a match here and there are some parts of the map that you must do in order to win. Here, breaking the pipe seam is a must. Kantbei recommends you do it with your first B Copter, and although it is a strong enemy tell, I argue it is worth it for speeding up reinforcements by one turn. 6:36 You won't be punished as easily for this in fog until later, but an experienced fog player who sees you reaching the comm tower early will know their funding curves enough to sense weakness when they spot this. As noted later on, rushing for contested properties does not make them easier to defend (in fact they are often harder to defend as giving up the early income will deprive the build tempo needed to get your tanks and additional infantry). 7:28 Would prefer the capture path of city airport to airport city here. Income is better and you will still get airport when you need it. 12:56 At around this level, I do see this a fair bit, using recon to harrass infantry early on expecting your opponent to open recon. I often punish this by opening tank instead, keep it waiting somewhere and reinforcing my infantry, and then punishing when I see the recon because of infantry defence and space counting. This gained me the tempo to win all but one match in the 800s, and most likely will work in the 700s. (On a more serious note, open recon can work if you know what to do with that recon and your overall gameplan) 15:52 (with hindsight from 17:41) Normally not that well advised. Even with a sonja recon, a tank can still have hiding spots. The infantry is still free at this point, but if he attacked from the south or the west, he might get away with it. 16:35 Not the right timing for a transport. It is either something you open with or something you establish later on once you establish map or unit advantage. Tank on that side would be better since you know that is the enemy recon side. + Tank Chain to back up any tank hit. (mentioned somewhat at 20:24) 18:11 Made this mistake myself a few times, often it is to get vision, but infantry has two vision (Sonja has three), so actually we could position one (or two for Sonja) space back and get an idea of what is on that property without being unfavourably first striked. (Ah wait, you already explained this) 19:07 Pretty sound advice. Although if your opponent does follow up with a tank, at this point you can safely take one to two pot shots on the other side of the map provided you capture gamed safely. Again, funding curves. (Not in this case though, I am not surprised if they went two tank here) (Note to 20:12 - Recon is not free btw, now that the tank is very much there.) 21:19 I also missed this city until Day 10 in my own game here, and only got it capped on Day 13 by incurring a brief tempo pause. That can trip you up if you do not plan for it. (29:48 The City is still not captured, 34:19 Finally went for it. Scheduled for a D14 capture) 22:15 Suspect he might be trying to call his opponent's bluff here with his split up tanks, but sound opponents will back up their tanks. 22:59 About comm towers, I had games where I lost my comm tower to my opponent (I won all of them by the way). Facing an opponent with 20% more firepower than you can hurt a lot more and either getting or preventing that is why beginners go for the comm towers. (To compensate for poorer tactical skill) What I do instead is to prioritise income because they wasted 4 infantry turns on 1 - 2 units to try to cap it, sometimes more, and then find good engagements to take, or just hold the line. Because 20% firepower advantage over you does not save you in all situations, and I can generate unit mixes that my opponent cannot counter. 23:25 Two recons on the same side is a pretty good opportunity to pull the tank back if you are weak there. On the other hand, that is a free 4 HP Recon over there if you can position the tank right. (26:20 - Yep, he took it and positioned it right based on sighted and potential unsighted tanks.) 24:35 THREE RECONS? That is two tanks the opponent does not have. It could have been prevented, but Klok will need to forgo that capture to do so. (Given prior decisions, this is a better decision) By this point, tank would have overextended in my opinion. 26:45 No comment here. 29:06 OK, this is an unusual play, I would consider B Copter to smash this pipe seam so that we can hold the center but I won't fault this move if he was ahead. 30:14 Arty party, except he is gonna lose the match this way. 31:38 It is very tempting to attack what is in your vision, but this is why it is better to scout first and understand your areas, more so if you are Sonja. 32:58 My literal dream scenario - I think by this point, I should be suspecting hidden armour in there somewhere. 35:13 Teching up at this stage.... Double edged sword. It can either be win faster or lose faster. Looking at this situation, Klok needs unit count and a B Copter could have helped more here. 35:57 Agree with you here, revealing AA to take infantry is dubious even if the AA does not get punished. 37:00 My guess is the opponent is feeling good about the KD Ratio. 38:03 Counter Break would not have been super impactful for Klok either way. Even if it disincentivises a push, the opponent can pull back and regroup as he sees the Arty. (38:39, which they did, somewhat. If he is then bringing out a tank, I should expect Anti Air or something.) 38:49 Arty yolo 700 elo edition. 39:20 And that's the end, and the bomber did nothing but just moved around.
Mangs! Thank you so much for all of your videos. Your videos (along with Deejus) finally convinced me to join up on AWBW and play. I am completely hooked and look forward excitedly to the little "my turn" indicator every day after work. Keep up the awesome videos, and keep spreading the good word of Advance Wars!
So if you do more of these beginner game critiques, I'd LOVE for you to load up a new game after and show "A more correct" first 4-5 turns and be able to compare. Show that the "correct" way does have like 3-4k more funds and 2-3 more cities. This is early enough in the game that you aren't really going to be interacting with the enemy so what you're doing is all what you want and not reactionary. But fun to look over games and get your thoughts on them
Klokinator, long time since I last heard that name. I remember him and his funny MAN Rika run of Fire Emblem lol If it wasn't for him, I wouldn't of found Mangs channel, as he got me really into randomizer runs of Fire Emblem.
I do like a lot this look at rookie matches. It makes me wonder how I'd fare, and by extension make me tempted to get that awbw client back and rolling
Hey Mangs! I played this game as a kid, playing Dual Strike as my first game, but only when I played DoR did I realise proper strategy. I dropped the game and your videos have reinspired me to play this game I used to love so dearly. I just made an account for Advance Wars By Web, and would love for you to put out more noob friendly videos to help us getting back into it or new players in the loop! Thanks!
I really liked this video! Been playing Advance Wars on and off since the release of Dual Strike and have never been super great, but lots of these tips are really handy and things I should have known. I’d love to see you progress upwards into critiquing more advanced play and pointing out where improvements have been made and what new things to think about!
Honestly man I like many of your videos but I think this is great. I recently lost my 3ds well my son did two years ago, and I learned so much okay off you (turns out I’m not as good as I thought I was lol) and I am tempted to play this on web. Something like this though may help more people get into this, more players the better. So thank for you also expanding to these types of games man!!
on maps like this i sometimes do what I call "copter turns" where I build a copter and two infantry (or whatever the budget permits). allows for me to outproduce my opponent with the bonus of ensuring I keep the infantry flowing. not something to do too much but worth doing periodically.
I've heard Mangs talk about this in another video. His angle was more that it lets you continue producing infantry later on in the game, without leaving money unspent from the greater income.
Hi Mangs, I just played my first AWBW Global League Game and only 4th game against a another human and... I won! You're content got me interested in jumping into AWBW and is a absolutely the reason I was able to win imo. Any chance I could send you the game log to give me some pointers on my game and maybe even feature it in a video?
I'm trying to share the link to the game but CZcams keeps removing my reply. What's the best way to send it to you? The game name is GL STD [T1]: haothehare vs TVboy_ I'm TVboy. I know it's harder to learn from victory than it is from defeat so I'm looking forward to having any bad habits pointed out so I don't get cocky 😂.
27:45 Klok could’ve reviewed the turn history to see the enemy Tank on the HQ, move to hide in the forest next to the Comm Tower. The enemy pulled it back next turn, which you also missed. 35:12 Klok had to base skip to build a bomber, which you missed. You frequently pointed out how enemy HP is hidden, but in a match against Sonja, you can use the calculator to deduce how much HP the opponent has based on the damage you do to the enemy unit. In the GBA games this would take fuel, but AWBW bypasses the fuel reduction for fog movement.
My heart skipped a beat when I saw the thumbnail as I thought this was the Sonja game I played recently against an Andy where I got my butt handed to me XD I posted it on reddit leading for feedback.
Also, I would prefer to watch new player matches. I think they are more helpful as pointing out what a person shouldn't do is more beneficial for me. Also, the advance players use strats that should not be replicated at lower levels.
Mangs: I started making a map for the next egg cup, but it kinda morphed into a fog map. Overall I'm quite happy with it but it still needs tweaking. Where does one go for feedback?
T4 is heavily dominated by jake and adder T3 is balanced but kindle is more often played because she’s hard to deal if you re not experienced enough T2 and T1 idk but I guess olaf/max and hawk/von bolt for how cool/kinda easy they are T0 most people pick Colin fire the meme. In higher elo, people combine the CO mastery with map advantage and also enemy usual habits of CO
Hey Mangs I just started playing in my adult life and I have a match that has lasted almost 100 turns its just about over. IT was my first match i started and i had started watching your videos. I did a big nono and didn't monopolize on the rewards for attacking instead made an ifrastructure and focused healing using Sasha. Its a funny match this guy was probably beating his head off the wall i would love to send it to you.
31:58 I... I have no words for how this makes me feel. Hearing Mangs refer to a song/phrase (technically a meme) that is nearly *20 YEARS OLD* as a "stupid TikTok" ages me faster than his hubris. The only thing that grant's me solace is the presumption that he had never heard it until now because of how bloated TikTok is with American cringe content.
8:25: Is it better to have a recon to scout/harass? You know they will have a tank to chase off the recon. Why not follow up with a tank to counter punch the tank that ends up hitting your recon. Follow up depends on how the scenario works out, wither the recon can continue scouting for you, and do you need to follow up the tank with another tank. I would say even before any of this, you have to consider the the apc and when to use it. It's all about timing when to construct the apc. When you make you apc will dictate how efficient it is. 1st job is effecient capture game. High income will get you into tanks alot quicker, allowing you to begin a strong side. A side, potentially, with a apc, masses of infantry where you need then to cap and smart engage the enemy. There is so much in fundamentals inside this game. What it comes down to is piece harmony, just like in chess. You never want to win a pyrrhic victory. Sacking units to cap an hq is as close to sacing units to checkmate a king. capping a factory or airport is the same as not allowing the enemy to keep making queens, which is pretty much over if every turn you can spam pieces.
Comm Tower only adds a 10% value on your units. On infantry that's a 100 value to infantry. you would need to make 5 infantry per turn to match the value of 1 property for income. Since you based skipped your losing out on sooo much income for teching up, and secure what you have or gain more income.
hey mangs you got me into advanced wars by web and i just played one of my first games any chance you'd like to cast my game as well as a noob game id love some of your insight :)
I resigned two games in the first 12 turns in fog, since I accidentally sack a few units, but then in the replay I realize I wasn't losing like I thought. Don't resign so early in fog like me since you still have chances.
*Mangs features a match you're in* Fan: OH MY GOD! He featured a match of mine, this is awesome! *Mangs calls the match a NOOB GAME* Fan: ..... (emotional damage incurred, -10 HP) Jokes aside, this is nice for the newer players. Maybe after 1 or 2 more low MMR game analyses, do 1 or more intermediary MMR game analyses (around 1,000 to 1,200 MMR)? That way you can show to the newer players what the learning curve is like and what to expect as you climb higher in rating.
This is me. I am the best AWBW player. I completely demolished... myself.
Edit: At the time I played this match, I didn't know comm towers gave no income. That would have, and has ever since, heavily influenced my decision making. Nowadays I get to them when I get to them.
17:23 I always forget that goddamn city, it's super easy to overlook and a pain to reach.
26:00 I attacked that infantry hoping to make it slower to cap properties. I played VERY greedily on this second-ever-match hahaha
28:58 I guffawed at that reaction LOL
31:50 You have to keep in mind that at this point even after watching ALL your videos I had never heard you mention the no-go zone, so it was not even in my head. Nowadays, it's at the forefront of my mind!
38:00 Would you believe me if I told you this was my second match ever and I didn't know my CO meter was full? I forgor
Only the Klok can beat the Klok.
"oog is trapped in a cage of oog's own creation" vibes.
@@Hone_mor2525 It's Klokkin time!
@@Klokinator The best part about "The Klokinator" was when you said "It's Klokkin time!" and then Klokked the toilet.
Thank you for offering your game up as fodder for analysis. :) Don't feel bad about missing the power meter. I see a lot of folks either neglect their CO powers or use them exclusively at the end of their turn.
This isn't something new, you've been reviewing your games for awhile
Jesus Christ you murdered him!
Savage 🤣
@@Mangs1337 [Memoir #2.mp3]
I really like this idea to be honest, by looking at at a new player's game and see mistakes that you (as another new player) would make is going to teach you a lot more than seeing high level plays but not really understanding which decisions led to that play.
Hope this idea catches on and we can see more low level games like this
Mangs releases a noob game analysis and Deejus releases a 1300 MMR tips video within a few hours of each other. This feels coordinated, like a pincer attack from two deadly front shifts.
On City-Skipping:
If there is a City within 3-Range of your base, and there is a City within 6-Range of your base, skipping the 3 range base to get the 6 range base only leads to a temporary income disadvantage. If you take the nearby city first, and then send another infantry on a 2 turn journey (and ultimatively a 3 turn capture) for the second city, by the day you first gain income from that city, your income is the same as the income of the city-skipper. The city skipper instead of starting to capture now, starts capturing 2 properties at once next turn, and by the time it is done, the next day the total funds are identical. I didn't do the full math to see if there is an excuse for cityskipping to a 3-days away city or the like, but the 2-days away property rush results in exactly the same funds at day 4 (counting from day 1), at which point combat is unlikely to have happened yet anyway.
In fact, one could speak of a potential, if situational, advantage to the city-skipper here, because on day 4 he gets to move both infantry, while the non-skipper needs to use the second infantry to finish the capture, though the first infantry got to move twice compared to the skippers first infantry's once.
P.s.: This works because the conventienal approach takes the first city in 2 days but the second city in 4 days, while the skipper takes both cities in 3 days. The city skipper winds up in a slightly better position, provided no immediate counter needed to be build from missing funds, while mitigating the 1000 lost on day 3 with and extra 1000 gained on day 4.
Provided successful capture of the cities is assured, this approach is always applicable, if the point of origin of the capturing infantry is the base that produced it, no matter the game time. With skipping, after 4 days, total funds gained are equal to the non-skipper.
This also applies if you have 2 infantries near each other, one that can reach a city now, and one that can't, but the first Infantry could target to reach a farther away city to start capturing next turn, while the second starts capturing the city skipped by the first one next turn. Again, provided the area is uncontested (usually early mid-game at some edges of the map), The 1000 funds disadvantage 2 days later is mitigated by a 1000 funds extra gain 3 days later.
EDIT: Just confirmed that the same logic applies if city 1 is 2 turns away and city 2 is 3 turns away, though it takes until day 6 until both approaches lead to the same fund-total, with the temporary 1000 fund disadvantage sitting on day 5 for the skipper.
EDIT: After doing some more calculating, I want to correct mangs here on the claim that the Skipper lost 1000 funds multiple times going for that corner city in the upper right. While I won't go in detail here, ignoring inoptimal play afterwards, what was lost is not 1000funds x turns yada yada, what was lost was 1000 funds once, meaning, for an expected fundtotal at the end of the match of 100.000, you will have a 99.000. And the only reason that this happens in this case is, that there is not just a city 2 turns away, and a city 3 turns away, there are in fact multiple cities reachable in 2 turns, so ignoring one of those for the benefit of capturing a 3-turn far city is a total net loss of 1000 funds, or one infantry, over the course of the match.
Low ELO Legends (Age of Empires 2) / Bronze League Heroes (Starcraft 2) is often more fun to watch than "clinical" after "clinical" grandmaster matchup. Good for you to shake things up every once in a while!
In the world of chess, Gotham Chess has a series called "Guess the ELO", where he guesses what the rates of players are based upon their play style.
That might work for Advance Wars, if there are enough games available!
That is a great idea imo. Keep the player rating til the end of the video!
inb4 im featured, guessed as being 700 ELO, and then everyone laughs when they see I'm around 1k lol
dpsi already did this with go7 but stopped at 1 video for some reason
There's other games too that have this kind of content
I think AoE2 had a series from a channel whos' name i don't remember
Starcraft 2 has a series called Rank Roulette by Harstem where he invites casters and pro players to watch a replay and guess the ELO and whoever guesses better wins. I think he also was a pro player at some point too idk, or at least a caster
Ahh, Levy's signature video series. I always loved these + his responses to low level elo play.
Now we just need to save all the low level games.
Interesting thing about sonja mirror is that, as Sonja, you don't want too much indirect because it does not benefits from counter attack, but against Sonja, you do want indirect because they don't get counterattacked.
I aspire to be this good at awbw
Keep watching my vids sturfish and ull become pro like me
That thumbnail is exactly how Sonja sees everyone else around her.
...Except for Lash (maybe).
Sonja isn't a 4channer, though.
@@calvinanderson4245 who's to say she isn't? though it's kinda an amusing thought to imagine
@@kentmichaelgalang686 You kidding? Sonja is capable of independent thought, communicates without relying on wojaks and COPE COPE SEETHE SEETHE RENT FREE RENT FREE SNEED SNEED babble, and doesn't get offended by the same things Twitter does.
@@kentmichaelgalang686 because Sonja is more socially adept than a 4channer or Redditor. She’s also wealthier and cleaner looking.
15:30
Alright. To disable the cursor clicks, you need to go to Visual Settings and disable "Show Animations for Hidden Actions."
For an added bonus and for a more authentic experience, you can also hide building status and fund count in the same menu too. If it says "Fog" in the option, disabling it will show the authentic ? in fog matches.
Thanks Subbie
I think more low elo games would be a good idea. I feel like most fan casters for competitive games usually have a series of low elo games they cast. As it's a really good way to point out common mistakes and how to play better, I think it makes for a really good resource. Plus sometimes if you're looking at low elo games in the wild you can just find some wild stuff, people doing crazy out there tactics, which is also a really fun way to look at the game. Not just the people who really know what they're doing. Obviously I'd never want the high level commentaries to stop, but I think low level stuff can be just as fun and even more valuble for players looking to learn.
Because it's something I've done, the panic-bomber-buy has become my favorite signal for the beginning of the end.
When I read noob game, I assumed Mangs was playing 👍😁
I appreciate how Mangs has grown as a competitive player. I still remember when Mangs loved to open with early recon and would ignore the no-go zones in his earlier matches. This is also the fist time I have seen Mangs refer to no-go zones as such, though by looking into the comments sections of Mangs vs veterans vids, they would note it there.
I figured out playing Days of Ruin where missiles have 6 range, covering missiles with other missiles makes punishing a push from air units much easier. The AI in that game likes to make pushes with air units, which with a little preparation are easy to pick apart. They should also be spaced outside each other's minimum ranges. Two missiles cover a LOT of air.
Anyway, the point is, I hadn't considered this about tanks! Note for the future, and I'll consider what other units can cover my tanks.
Mangs this video spoke to me, I only ever played days of ruin and advance wars 2. Seeing a casual match/noob match was a lot less anxiety inducing! And I learned a bit too. Would you consider starting a series or supporting a range of pro level, medium, and beginner level AWBW videos? For me it would help me learn. (Even though I love playing grit or sonya, I love just playing with friends, but can’t really do that without boot camp.).
Sure
I know I would absolutely love to see more noob matches. I'm very seriously considering joining the AWBW field now just because I'm getting to see how other people at my level would play and it feels a lot less overbearing
Hi Mangs, I believe, I have to disagree with your baseskip statement in this case.
The baseskip allowes the early Com-tower, and this gives the the reccon enough firepower to slow down the capture in the bottom area 1 additional turn.
On a money decission I believe he hurts his enemy more, than he has lost.
And on this way he ends up with an comtower advantage in the early battles.
I personaly liked the skip.
Is the XCOM music intentional as in you're sending rookies to the battlefield, only for them to miss high percentage shots?
Need someone to die for the veterans while they train
Like lambs to the slaughter
there is no no-go zone . to repear JOtaro : "i can't beat the shit out of you if i don't come closer"
This was very helpful as I just started my own debut into the global league. I loved the replay keep it up Mangs!
Analysis from a Third Party
1:10 I suspect Klok only started after I mentioned reaching 1000 elo overall, majority of the matches played are in standard. Like most beginners and me initially, I believe the impression they got was that elo is easy to earn. If only they knew... (I struggled for a bit before putting together ideas that worked)
2:56 Strikethrough. Played a match here and there are some parts of the map that you must do in order to win. Here, breaking the pipe seam is a must. Kantbei recommends you do it with your first B Copter, and although it is a strong enemy tell, I argue it is worth it for speeding up reinforcements by one turn.
6:36 You won't be punished as easily for this in fog until later, but an experienced fog player who sees you reaching the comm tower early will know their funding curves enough to sense weakness when they spot this. As noted later on, rushing for contested properties does not make them easier to defend (in fact they are often harder to defend as giving up the early income will deprive the build tempo needed to get your tanks and additional infantry).
7:28 Would prefer the capture path of city airport to airport city here. Income is better and you will still get airport when you need it.
12:56 At around this level, I do see this a fair bit, using recon to harrass infantry early on expecting your opponent to open recon. I often punish this by opening tank instead, keep it waiting somewhere and reinforcing my infantry, and then punishing when I see the recon because of infantry defence and space counting. This gained me the tempo to win all but one match in the 800s, and most likely will work in the 700s. (On a more serious note, open recon can work if you know what to do with that recon and your overall gameplan)
15:52 (with hindsight from 17:41) Normally not that well advised. Even with a sonja recon, a tank can still have hiding spots. The infantry is still free at this point, but if he attacked from the south or the west, he might get away with it.
16:35 Not the right timing for a transport. It is either something you open with or something you establish later on once you establish map or unit advantage. Tank on that side would be better since you know that is the enemy recon side. + Tank Chain to back up any tank hit. (mentioned somewhat at 20:24)
18:11 Made this mistake myself a few times, often it is to get vision, but infantry has two vision (Sonja has three), so actually we could position one (or two for Sonja) space back and get an idea of what is on that property without being unfavourably first striked. (Ah wait, you already explained this)
19:07 Pretty sound advice. Although if your opponent does follow up with a tank, at this point you can safely take one to two pot shots on the other side of the map provided you capture gamed safely. Again, funding curves. (Not in this case though, I am not surprised if they went two tank here) (Note to 20:12 - Recon is not free btw, now that the tank is very much there.)
21:19 I also missed this city until Day 10 in my own game here, and only got it capped on Day 13 by incurring a brief tempo pause. That can trip you up if you do not plan for it. (29:48 The City is still not captured, 34:19 Finally went for it. Scheduled for a D14 capture)
22:15 Suspect he might be trying to call his opponent's bluff here with his split up tanks, but sound opponents will back up their tanks.
22:59 About comm towers, I had games where I lost my comm tower to my opponent (I won all of them by the way). Facing an opponent with 20% more firepower than you can hurt a lot more and either getting or preventing that is why beginners go for the comm towers. (To compensate for poorer tactical skill) What I do instead is to prioritise income because they wasted 4 infantry turns on 1 - 2 units to try to cap it, sometimes more, and then find good engagements to take, or just hold the line. Because 20% firepower advantage over you does not save you in all situations, and I can generate unit mixes that my opponent cannot counter.
23:25 Two recons on the same side is a pretty good opportunity to pull the tank back if you are weak there. On the other hand, that is a free 4 HP Recon over there if you can position the tank right.
(26:20 - Yep, he took it and positioned it right based on sighted and potential unsighted tanks.)
24:35 THREE RECONS? That is two tanks the opponent does not have. It could have been prevented, but Klok will need to forgo that capture to do so. (Given prior decisions, this is a better decision) By this point, tank would have overextended in my opinion.
26:45 No comment here.
29:06 OK, this is an unusual play, I would consider B Copter to smash this pipe seam so that we can hold the center but I won't fault this move if he was ahead.
30:14 Arty party, except he is gonna lose the match this way.
31:38 It is very tempting to attack what is in your vision, but this is why it is better to scout first and understand your areas, more so if you are Sonja.
32:58 My literal dream scenario - I think by this point, I should be suspecting hidden armour in there somewhere.
35:13 Teching up at this stage.... Double edged sword. It can either be win faster or lose faster. Looking at this situation, Klok needs unit count and a B Copter could have helped more here.
35:57 Agree with you here, revealing AA to take infantry is dubious even if the AA does not get punished.
37:00 My guess is the opponent is feeling good about the KD Ratio.
38:03 Counter Break would not have been super impactful for Klok either way. Even if it disincentivises a push, the opponent can pull back and regroup as he sees the Arty. (38:39, which they did, somewhat. If he is then bringing out a tank, I should expect Anti Air or something.)
38:49 Arty yolo 700 elo edition.
39:20 And that's the end, and the bomber did nothing but just moved around.
Mangs! Thank you so much for all of your videos. Your videos (along with Deejus) finally convinced me to join up on AWBW and play. I am completely hooked and look forward excitedly to the little "my turn" indicator every day after work. Keep up the awesome videos, and keep spreading the good word of Advance Wars!
Xcom music my beloved
So if you do more of these beginner game critiques, I'd LOVE for you to load up a new game after and show "A more correct" first 4-5 turns and be able to compare. Show that the "correct" way does have like 3-4k more funds and 2-3 more cities. This is early enough in the game that you aren't really going to be interacting with the enemy so what you're doing is all what you want and not reactionary. But fun to look over games and get your thoughts on them
Klokinator lost, what a surprise !
Mangs bullies Klokinator for 40 minutes, the video.
That feeling of relief when you discover you aren’t one of the noobs in the video. ;)
I'd love to see more of these been thinking about starting put advance wars by web and seeing it from a perspective of a newbie
Klokinator, long time since I last heard that name. I remember him and his funny MAN Rika run of Fire Emblem lol
If it wasn't for him, I wouldn't of found Mangs channel, as he got me really into randomizer runs of Fire Emblem.
I do like a lot this look at rookie matches. It makes me wonder how I'd fare, and by extension make me tempted to get that awbw client back and rolling
22:45 in those kind of moves you just scream "yolooooo" and hope for the best 😎
Hey Mangs! I played this game as a kid, playing Dual Strike as my first game, but only when I played DoR did I realise proper strategy. I dropped the game and your videos have reinspired me to play this game I used to love so dearly. I just made an account for Advance Wars By Web, and would love for you to put out more noob friendly videos to help us getting back into it or new players in the loop! Thanks!
Hi! I just downloaded AWBW tonight and I'm in the same boat as you. My username is cnoteusa! I'd be down to play sometime.
The two Sonjas don’t even look like the same person wth
T90 in the AoE community casts games like this quite often, he calls them Low Elo Legends, i think it's nicer than calling them noob games
Baseskipping: you gotta fully understand and know the rules before you can break them the right way.
This is the content I subbed for
Mangs lost an opportunity to say "StaLLingrad". Hehe.
Delete your account
Honestly this video just teached me the basics of awbw
I think it's valuable to analyze and explore the replays of both the experts and of the inexperienced. 😎
I really liked this video! Been playing Advance Wars on and off since the release of Dual Strike and have never been super great, but lots of these tips are really handy and things I should have known. I’d love to see you progress upwards into critiquing more advanced play and pointing out where improvements have been made and what new things to think about!
Is this your version of "Guess the ELO" or "How to lose at Chess", Mangs? I'd totally be down for something like that!
It's weird I'm playing neo right now and saw him on the video and told him his was in a CZcams thing, he seemed happy
Before the notification. That's a first. Hi Mangs. How you doing recently?
This video is incredible, great work
🥚
I just joined my first AWBW game, this video is great timing!
Honestly man I like many of your videos but I think this is great. I recently lost my 3ds well my son did two years ago, and I learned so much okay off you (turns out I’m not as good as I thought I was lol) and I am tempted to play this on web. Something like this though may help more people get into this, more players the better. So thank for you also expanding to these types of games man!!
I love this idea, hope tosee more of this kind
36:00 => *Angry deejus' noises*, CARDINAL SIN !
Is that XCOM music at the start?
I see you're a man of culture as well
EDIT: IT SWITCHES TO THE COMBAT MUSIC THATS SIIICK
Oh hey XCOM music, does this mean mangs is gonna do a stream trying it?
he has already played XCOM, so technically he has already tried it, maybe if we suggest it and it wins on the polls he can replay it
I’d love an advance wars bronze league heroes series.
I liked very much this video, sometimes is good remember the basics 🙂😁
on maps like this i sometimes do what I call "copter turns" where I build a copter and two infantry (or whatever the budget permits). allows for me to outproduce my opponent with the bonus of ensuring I keep the infantry flowing. not something to do too much but worth doing periodically.
I've heard Mangs talk about this in another video. His angle was more that it lets you continue producing infantry later on in the game, without leaving money unspent from the greater income.
Xcom music :D
Love the xcom music!
Haven't watched yet but I was like "yeah this has to be Hanakko and Klokinator" LOL, saw in AS server. But no just the latter haha
Hi Mangs, I just played my first AWBW Global League Game and only 4th game against a another human and... I won!
You're content got me interested in jumping into AWBW and is a absolutely the reason I was able to win imo. Any chance I could send you the game log to give me some pointers on my game and maybe even feature it in a video?
Sure
I'm trying to share the link to the game but CZcams keeps removing my reply. What's the best way to send it to you? The game name is GL STD [T1]: haothehare vs TVboy_
I'm TVboy. I know it's harder to learn from victory than it is from defeat so I'm looking forward to having any bad habits pointed out so I don't get cocky 😂.
27:45 Klok could’ve reviewed the turn history to see the enemy Tank on the HQ, move to hide in the forest next to the Comm Tower. The enemy pulled it back next turn, which you also missed.
35:12 Klok had to base skip to build a bomber, which you missed.
You frequently pointed out how enemy HP is hidden, but in a match against Sonja, you can use the calculator to deduce how much HP the opponent has based on the damage you do to the enemy unit. In the GBA games this would take fuel, but AWBW bypasses the fuel reduction for fog movement.
Wojaks in thumbnail. Instant like and double subscribe
More of these please 👍
My heart skipped a beat when I saw the thumbnail as I thought this was the Sonja game I played recently against an Andy where I got my butt handed to me XD I posted it on reddit leading for feedback.
Also, I would prefer to watch new player matches. I think they are more helpful as pointing out what a person shouldn't do is more beneficial for me. Also, the advance players use strats that should not be replicated at lower levels.
Mangs: I started making a map for the next egg cup, but it kinda morphed into a fog map. Overall I'm quite happy with it but it still needs tweaking. Where does one go for feedback?
I know I’m late but love the XCOM music at the start
I have the X-Com music as my pc starting one. I was quite frankly suprised to hear it in your video.^^
Well, pretty good choice. :)
That's a cool idea, i had the item get jingle from Cave Story
Do you have the entire song or just a portion of it?
@@rompevuevitos222 Entire song. Just grabbed it from youtube.
Good background music choice
I love the Xcom music in the beginning.
i really like strikethrough. Great Map , lots of fun. even if its hard to reinforce with just two bases.
Out of curiosity, *what are the most played commanders?*
I don't mean the best, just the most played. Are there any statistics for that?
T4 is heavily dominated by jake and adder
T3 is balanced but kindle is more often played because she’s hard to deal if you re not experienced enough
T2 and T1 idk but I guess olaf/max and hawk/von bolt for how cool/kinda easy they are
T0 most people pick Colin fire the meme.
In higher elo, people combine the CO mastery with map advantage and also enemy usual habits of CO
It took me some time, but I recognize this selection of music from X-Com: Enemy Unknown.
"It's tempting to eat this ... dude" - Mangs 2022
clicking on this video to see myself but I instead I see someone who has beaten me lmao
Next series: guess the ELO Advance Wars
jokes aside, are you an XCOM fan?
Hey Mangs I just started playing in my adult life and I have a match that has lasted almost 100 turns its just about over. IT was my first match i started and i had started watching your videos. I did a big nono and didn't monopolize on the rewards for attacking instead made an ifrastructure and focused healing using Sasha. Its a funny match this guy was probably beating his head off the wall i would love to send it to you.
I just recently started playing AWBW. I'm really bad at FOW.
Appreciate the tips, especially since I'm in a FOW Sonja mirror matchup right now.
Before even watching the video, I gotta say that thumbnail is a thing of beuty
I saw sonya and was scared he saw one of my games oh boy was I relieved it wasn't
31:58 I... I have no words for how this makes me feel. Hearing Mangs refer to a song/phrase (technically a meme) that is nearly *20 YEARS OLD* as a "stupid TikTok" ages me faster than his hubris.
The only thing that grant's me solace is the presumption that he had never heard it until now because of how bloated TikTok is with American cringe content.
Fascinating.
Reminds me of low Elo legends for age of empires 2. I love this idea!
Finally, some games on my level.
8:25: Is it better to have a recon to scout/harass? You know they will have a tank to chase off the recon. Why not follow up with a tank to counter punch the tank that ends up hitting your recon. Follow up depends on how the scenario works out, wither the recon can continue scouting for you, and do you need to follow up the tank with another tank. I would say even before any of this, you have to consider the the apc and when to use it. It's all about timing when to construct the apc. When you make you apc will dictate how efficient it is. 1st job is effecient capture game. High income will get you into tanks alot quicker, allowing you to begin a strong side. A side, potentially, with a apc, masses of infantry where you need then to cap and smart engage the enemy. There is so much in fundamentals inside this game. What it comes down to is piece harmony, just like in chess. You never want to win a pyrrhic victory. Sacking units to cap an hq is as close to sacing units to checkmate a king. capping a factory or airport is the same as not allowing the enemy to keep making queens, which is pretty much over if every turn you can spam pieces.
Now I want to play Xcom
same lmao
Very interesting. Reminds me of T90's "Low-ELO Legends"
more interesting, great when they get something right, exciting even
the xcom audio really threw me off i thought i left my xcom on in the background.
Comm Tower only adds a 10% value on your units. On infantry that's a 100 value to infantry. you would need to make 5 infantry per turn to match the value of 1 property for income. Since you based skipped your losing out on sooo much income for teching up, and secure what you have or gain more income.
Hey Mangs I run a beginner cup for awbw. Would you be interested in doing some replay analysis on a few games?
Sure
@@Mangs1337 thank you! the people in the beginner awbw server will love that.
@@booman3138 I am going to love all of the "Biggest mistake of the match" moments he will bring.
@@subbie-eye hopefully it's not one of my games there will be lots of those 😂
nice xcom intro
Advance Wars low elo legends let's go
Definitely like the XCOM music
Dang. I saw this and was inspired to play Global League and then ended up losing all of the games. Never again.
hey mangs you got me into advanced wars by web and i just played one of my first games any chance you'd like to cast my game as well as a noob game id love some of your insight :)
I resigned two games in the first 12 turns in fog, since I accidentally sack a few units, but then in the replay I realize I wasn't losing like I thought. Don't resign so early in fog like me since you still have chances.
Two Sonjas one map.
Did Incuggarch start using Artillery after they got better at AWBW or did they start playing using Artillery?
BTW Mangs can I ask you what font you used for those Commander cards (both the titles and descriptions)?
*Mangs features a match you're in*
Fan: OH MY GOD! He featured a match of mine, this is awesome!
*Mangs calls the match a NOOB GAME*
Fan: ..... (emotional damage incurred, -10 HP)
Jokes aside, this is nice for the newer players. Maybe after 1 or 2 more low MMR game analyses, do 1 or more intermediary MMR game analyses (around 1,000 to 1,200 MMR)? That way you can show to the newer players what the learning curve is like and what to expect as you climb higher in rating.