The Movies That Shaped Moonrise Kingdom
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Despite being one of the most visually unique filmmakers working today, Wes Anderson packs his films with references and homage to films he loves. In this video I unpack the references in Moonrise Kingdom- and explore how tricky it can sometimes be to determine a scenes' true inspiration.
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Yeah Wes had me watch Escape From Alcatraz so that was probably the film he was referencing
thats so cool!!!
Yeah I remembered seeing an interview somewhere where you and Kara mentioned he had reference material like that for you to watch. Was it more for a general stylistic idea of the film or did he have you pay special attention to certain actors/scenes in the movies for more direct inspiration?
@@CollinYoung he wanted me to take note of Eastwood’s character, his attitude, resourcefulness, etc
At the end of the day, knowing that Mr. Anderson has a near encyclopedic knowledge of film and film history, and taking in to account the string attached between the dummy and the door, it’s highly likely that the scene isn’t a reference to any one single movie. The string makes the connection to Ferris Bueller fairly obvious, but the paper mache makes the Alcatraz reference obvious. It’s got to be a reference to BOTH. In my opinion.
@@jaredgilman7454 Thanks for commenting here Jared. Love your work
Ingmar Bergman puts it nicely: “I’m not one of those who believe that an artist grows up out of nothing and starts to bloom with no nourishment at all. I believe we’re all part of a great hodgepodge, so we take from each other, and I’ve always been completely uninhibited in that regard. If I see something good, I steal it and make it my own.”
HEY YOU! YES YOU! I watch your videos and I think your content is 👍, ok bye now, sheeeeeesh
I love this quote!
That’s exactly what great storytellers like Paul Thomas Anderson, Quentin Tarantino, Christopher Nolan, Takashi miike do!!
They make something entirely different out of it!!!
👍
Their is a difference between taking a shot and copying a whole scene which Anderson and Taratino do. That's not paying homage that's just blatant copying
I'd love to see another Wes Anderson Roald Dahl adaption. IMAGINE a Wes Anderson Charlie and the Chocolate Factory!
Or umbrella man
wizard of oz sequel
i personally would love to watch his take on- the twits
Yess, I know you know this already, but this will happen again with "Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar" with Benedict Cumberbatch starring.
Why it’s been made a thousand times
Jason Schwartzman’s uncle also directed The Godfather haha.
That too lol
When u also realize nic cage is a Coppola O_o
Yeah😂😂😂, that was such a ridiculous forced attempt to show an inspiration.
That family is absolutely huge
If you steal from one author it's plagiarism; if you steal from many it's research.
Only if you have permission and cite sources
hey! I watch your videos, just wanted to let you know, ok bye now, sheeeeesh
@@unclerhyss5506 Thanks for watching! Sheeeeeshhh
Thanks for featuring Satyajit Ray's Charulata. What are your favourite films by Ray?
Agantuk
I think spending so much time trying to deduce what he's "referencing" is almost fruitless if he's not outright telling you. He may not even be purposefully referencing things at all, and sometimes it's more fun to just watch them and enjoy the ride other than trying to draw lines between all possibilities. Lots of movies have a dance sequence and it may just be as simple as that!
Yep, one can over-analyze things. Everything has to look some way. There is a limited number of solutions to show something. Therefore things will look alike.
Yeah, I agree, some of those really feel like a stretch too
@@Srrrokka Yeah, some of these are such a stretch, you could watch so many short films and old films and CZcams and find almost similar scenes or style.
Enjoyable analysis! All art is borrowed from somewhere else, whether intentionally or unintentionally. And now Wes is at the point in his career where he even borrows relentlessly from his own works!
4:44
we can also see wes anderson steal the fact that In the movie Charulata, the eponymous character is a lonely woman who considers an affair after her husband neglects him.
In the Darjeeling limited Rita has a short fling with Jason Schwartzman's character after her boyfriend mistreats him. When she is confronted by Jason's character this theme czcams.com/video/n8eaAW1_r3A/video.html plays in the background which is the same as used in the film Charulata czcams.com/video/tBNFnxoZ3xs/video.html
Wes is a goddamn genius.
Oh my goodness that makes me admire Wes even more!
In Matt Zoller Seitz book about Wes Anderson, he confirmed that the binoculars shot came from Charulata. Anderson also mentions Melody, Black Jack and Small Change as references.
Charulata is one of my favourite films!
I do however know that Wes is highly influenced by Satyajit Ray as evidenced by The Darjeeling Limited
Yes he is. It's clear from the numerous shots in the movie m
Finally Ray on Thomas Flight. Glad!!
Gonna be watching more soon!
Talk about the different style of realism used by Mrinal Sen and Tapan Sinha
Moonrise kingdom is my favorite wes anderson film!! I love the references and I even bought the criterion Blu-ray.
The rooftop scene looks a lot more like Night of the Hunter.
I think it’s ridiculous to think that a scene that contains binoculars has to be a reference to another scene with binoculars. Star Wars and Moonrise Kingdom for instance have no similarities at all, there is just a prop that’s in both of these completely different films.
There are many other more obvious references to different satyajit ray's film in many Wes Anderson's films. That makes one wonder.
Not even if Wes is a well known Ray fanboy? You trippin.
I think 8 1/2 by Fellini is actually the main reference for the dance scene in Pulp Fiction. Fantastic video, never knew Wes used so many film references in his films.
I'm pretty late here but I came looking for this comment. I could be remembering wrong but I feel like I once heard Tarantino say that 8 1/2 was what inspired his dance scene.
I came to say the same thing. It’s 8 1/2, I saw an interview of Tarantino mentioning it.
@@rominevideos I think so but I know for sure he mentioned Uma’s way of dancing was a direct reference to Disney’s “Aristocats”. There’s a great interview where QT even starts doing the dance 😂
You can't hear right now, but I'm fanboying whenever someone does a Wes Anderson analysis
I suggest that it's not an actual analysis at all but merely something pretending to be.
Moonrise Kingdom was one of the first Wes Anderson films I watched. I love the shot composition of his filmography
Ah, finally a reference of Satyajit ray in your video. Hope you will explore more ray's films.
Planning to!
@@ThomasFlight I suggest you to start with "apu trilogy" if you haven't watched them already.
search criterion they have a good collection
@@ThomasFlight Indian director Anurag Kashyap also has some brilliant work you should check him out
Badlands is referred to several times...not only the dancing, but the house fire, the suggestion that they are fugitives...even the style of the way they meet. Very full of Badlands references...
I've come to love when filmmakers do this as it opens my eyes to other great films from before my time.
This is not a typical Analysis video, It's like a string of thoughts passing through.
Love your take on how his references add to his aesthetic of being aware that your watching a movie, and how you posed the question does it add depth to a scene and how to play with that in our films. Thanks for doing the research and presenting it so well 👏🏼
I still haven’t seen this movie :( I need to go on a Wes Anderson binge!
The scene from Pulp Fiction 5:01 stolen by Tarantino from Fellini's 8 1/2.
Exactly.
The binoculars looks more like a reference to Alex Colville’s 1965 painting To Prince Edward Island.
As Jim Jarmusch put it, “Nothing is original. Steal from anywhere that resonates with inspiration or fuels your imagination. Devour old films, new films, music, books, paintings, photographs, poems, dreams, random conversations, architecture, bridges, street signs, trees, clouds, bodies of water, light and shadows. Select only things to steal from that speak directly to your soul. If you do this, your work (and theft) will be authentic. Authenticity is invaluable; originality is non-existent. And don’t bother concealing your thievery - celebrate it if you feel like it. In any case, always remember what Jean-Luc Godard said: “It’s not where you take things from - it’s where you take them to.”
"I steal from every single movie ever made" - Quentin Tarantino
This is a great video, one I'll probably rewatch many times over the years
I believe there are three aspects that are important in Moonrise Kingdom's intertextuality:
1) Recontextualise the reference, for instance, the Godfather is a mob film while Moonrise Kingdom is quirky romantic comedy starring kids. Lesser films tend to make obvious lazy references to films they feel oblied to, and Godfather references tend to be thrown at several mobster films as a cliché. In Moonrise Kingdom not only is the reference use in a complete different genre and situation than the Godfather, nut is so subtle you can miss it (I did it in my first watching).
2) The fact that it is a comedy. Again, you can mention examples of lesser comedies that just throw random movie references for no reason (take a look at the terrible spoon films by Friedberg and Seltzer). The Shawshank Redemption visual quotation not only makes sense for the situation (Sam escaping his tent and hiding it with a poster) but it is make funny by Edward Norton's hilarious reaction. I aslo mention the Eyes Wide Shut scene because, as I haven't seen that film yet, I didn't recognize it but still found it funny without knowing that it is a reference.
3) Adopting the reference to his own style. Here I'm just gonna mention the Eyes Wide Shut reference, again, because you can notice how, despite the obvious inspiration, it isn't quite the same. Kubrick's shot is in a wide angle and the colour palette is cold and dark, while in Moonrise Kingdom Anderson uses his trademark center framing and the colour palette is much hotter and colourfol than EWS.
I think Fellini’s 8 1/2 is a huge inspiration on Wes Anderson and you can see the inspiration for TGBH
In an interview, Wes said he didn't know who he was stealing from and someone mentioned to him that it was Kubrick.
When the chosen style is to elevate every frame to the maximum, there will be the moment something looks like Kubrick. Because Kubrick did things for a reason and someone doing a similar thing for a reason might end up both looking the same, entirely without knowing or thinking of Kubrick's work.
when talking about films that inspired Moonrise Kingdom, i definitely think of Welcome, or No Trespassing directed by Elem Klimov
Yes! I was about to post this. I would be surprised if he didn't watch it, because they are visually, narratively and tonally similar. Not just random references but most of the movie
I think he does not reference on purpose, I have a feeling he has seen so much movies that he just thinks about a scene being perfect in a special way and later we can see the reference. At least not with every reference. Some are too obvious to be coincidential.
True!!
Yeah, I can just imagine how difficult it is to pinpoint what guys like him and Soderbergh reference when they watch so much stuff all year long.
This was a great video! And it's fun timing because I start shooting my second short film next week and Wes is a big inspiration for me with style
Great video. Having seen most of these films, I was taken aback by how many of these parallels I hadn't even noticed. While not as heavy handed as say Tarantino, though apparently many times he is, I've come to believe that most filmmakers and for that matter all artists do this. Art, in all of its forms, seems to be in constant dialog with its own history resulting in permutations of itself. History doesn't necessarily repeat itself but it does rhyme, as the saying goes. I'm not even fully convinced that the artists/filmmakers themselves are always even conscious of it though in many cases it's too on-the-nose for them not to have been. Cinema is so "meta". The Jason Schwartzman familial link used for plotting is just insanely clever.
Keep up the good work, man.
Such a brilliant way to point out these styles! Thanks for the content!
The narrator in Moonrise Kingdom I think is a reference to the narrator in Fellini's Amarcord.
I watched this movie again last month and fell down a rabbit hole of different aspects and details about it (as is the routine for every time I watch a Wes movie). I'm pretty surprised I didn't see anything about some of these themes/homages.
I just love Wes Anderson more and more... Thank you for a great analysis!
What a delight to watch your analysis! it makes me understand and see Wes Anderson's films better.
Your channel is so underrated. Keep doing the great work!
Suzie: Looks through binoculars.
Pretentious Film Critic: That's definitely a reference from the critically acclaimed 1964 Satyajit Roy film Charulata where Charu, in fact, uses a binocular the same way as Suzie.
I feel closer to you after you made a reference to Charulata by Satyajit Ray. One film buff to another. Cheers mate
feels so good to see charulota on the thumbnail 😌
The dance sequence in Pulp Ficion is inspired from a dance squence in 8 1/2 by Fellini ,as far I know.
My paper in my senior year film theory class was called “Intertextual Nuggetism”. Wes is the ideal practitioner of my half-baked theory.
there are lots more references this one has, that makes it very, very familiar..great topic
Very good. Thank you for your work.
Is it just me or did most of these seem quite vague and not really stealing?
Could you perhaps put a list of all the films mentioned here? I wanna put these all on my watch list haha
In particular, I couldn't understand what film he was talking about with the scissors.
Melody is one of my favourite films. I saw so many similarities in Moonrise Kingdom.
I'd like to check it out sometime.
I might be crazy, but watching Badlands (for the first time, after having already seen Moonrise Kingdom) I felt that Wes's use of music and montage in a lot of the film was also inspired by Badlands. It's something I can't say tangibly as I can't point out specific shots or moments, but it definitely came to mind multiple times. Can anyone relate?
I knew Badlands pretty well before watching Moonrise Kingdom and I was sorta, "Oh my! Badlands with even younger kids!"
'Golden age" simpsons is so good at this, walking the line between pastiche and satire.
I think this kind of homage/plagarism debate tends to soften towards comedies because, as a comedy, it is imply that it is making a joke out of the scene it is referencing. So in that regard, the debate in comedies tends to pivot more towards the fact of wherever or not the parody is even funny.
What I would like to mention however, is how much more clever and subtle movie references where in early Simpsons than on the later seasons where they morphed into Family Guy.
I think it is high time Thomas Flight made a video essay on Satyajit Ray.
the pulp fiction scene takes inspiration from Fellini's film 8½
Which scene in 8½? I was pretty sure Tarantino has credited Godard for that scene.
@@ThomasFlight I had also thought 8 1/2 (czcams.com/video/ykgIVAvYCwk/video.html)
i thought the dance scene was a reference to 8 1/2
And what if it's just a coincidence... Considering that some moments are bond to met a match in a diverse world where people think the same things at different times.
this was uploaded the same day that I watched Summer With Monika for the first time and I was waiting the whole time for that mention, great coincidence
The dancing scene in Moonrise Kingdom is a reference to Badlands, Terrence Malick film
As for Pulp Fiction's twist, I even read that it was inspired by a similar dance in The Aristocats. But then again, all twists share the same moves.
Like some people have already said, the Pulp Fiction scene was inspired by 8 1/2, not by A Band Apart. Honestly it is a bit of a shocker that someone with such a high quality channel didin't know that immediately. The A Band Apart scene inspired the famed Audrey dance from Twin Peaks. I don't know about Susie's POV shot, but as for the shot of her standing on the tower and other similar shots, I am pretty sure they were inspired by Peter Greenaway's Drowning by Numbers. The camp scenes were mostly inspired by Elem Klimov's Welcome or, No Trespassing. Keep up the good work! :)
yeah i thought the exact same thing.
I’ve seen 8 1/2 recently even but just didn’t make the connection- I thought for sure I had heard of Tarantino citing Godard’s film as the source but I guess I remembered wrong. I don’t always get everything exactly right!
@@ThomasFlight It still makes your point that cinema draws from lots of inspiration, and Tarantino likes to layer his references. Much like Uma was modeled to look like Anna Karina (from Band of Outsiders), Samuel L Jackson's Jules is a reference to Truffaut's Jules & Jim, and countless other nods. Directors are constantly giving paying homage to past films, and your channel has pointed out way more to me than I've ever spotted myself. Thanks for the hard work.
There is something timelessness about Wes Anderson movies
There is a thing like visual archetypes. Wes uses them - and he creates new ones.
Well-said.
Film writing is such a creative art!
When I watch Moonrise Kingdom I'm reminded of Den bästa sommaren, an other swedish movie. Especially the rooftop endings are very similar, and I'm just wondering if anyone else has thought of this?
Thanks for vid
Would love to see you talk about how the French New Wave inspired the filmakers of the 70s and 90s
Godard said, "It doesn’t matter where you take things from, rather it matters where you take them to."
The entirety of the Lucas Star Wars saga is like this. Lucas was always an experimental filmmaker so he “stole” scenes from other movies but recontextualized them to fit his story.
The dance scene reminds me of 8 1/2
that dance sequence from moonrise kingdom can also be inspired from 8 1/2 though it was not on some isolated locale
Moonrise Kingdom is still a favorite.
One of the finest postmodern auteurs- Wes Anderson.
Thanks!
5:19 - always was sure that the dance scene tha inspired pulp fiction was from fellini's 8 1/2 dance scene, the dance moves even look the same.
Music has relatively few notes in its arsenal, so it is inevitable that some music reminds us of other music. Film is now old enough as an art that some of these 'references' and 'inspirations' are possibly just accidents. (The dam breaking reminds me much more strongly of The Ten Commandments than The Shining.) Another good example of references and inspirations is The Revenant's parallels with scenes in Tarkovsky's work.
Yeah I agree that there’s definitely room for accidents (I don’t think the dam breaking is actually a shining reference). I also think it’s possible that one a directors seen thousands of films they might imitate a moment without meaning to.
Wes Anderson is amazing for so many reasons, but in reference to this video, I think he perfectly sums up the saying (in its various forms) that "Amateurs borrow, professionals steal." I am a die hard movie buff and (obviously) a big Anderson fan - especially Moonrise Kingdom - but the examples in this video show how the basics of most of the shots he "steals" from are identical and he doesn't try to hide them at all. But, with very few exceptions, you don't REALIZE they are references to other movies the first time you see them - they make sense in the story, don't stick out, and seem perfectly natural (in a Wes Anderson-y way). The scene with the dam breaking for example, had me feeling exactly like that scene from the Shining did - but I couldn't place it, because I was involved in the story. A part of me felt like it was an homage to something, but it wasn't until I watched the movie again that I caught it. Ditto with Jason Schwartzman's line - for that one, I immediately thought of the Godfather, but it made so much sense in the story, I honestly wondered if it was a reference to it or just a similar line. It wasn't until the second time that I realized "Oh wait - that's Talia Shire's son!", so yes, it's absolutely a reference. The pros do this so well (Tarantino is also very good at it), while the hacks make their "Homages" stand out like a sore thumb, so all you think is "I get it - you're just copying from another movie. Get on with the movie."
I often find myself hesitating to watch your essays because I question if I have the intellectual headspace to enjoy them properly. Not sure if that hesitation is more of a mark of my character or your thoughtful work but I am writing this to let you know that every time I overcome this hesitancy I am rewarded with a brilliant, thoughtful and insightful work that I spend the rest of the day thinking about.
Thank you.
you seem smart from this comment, i wouldnt worry about it
Steven Spielberg's E.T was ripped off of Indian director Satyajit Ray's "Alien" which never got made. But other Indian directors made it even by plagrising multiple hollywood scenes over the years so we cool.
Lollll I've only recently found out how much of indian cinema is plagarism so it feels nice that there are ideas taken out our land as well.
Aren't there multiple Indian rip offs and remakes of Hollywood films to begin with?
@@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 Majority of them are official remakes made with the sole purpose of making money with a fair share given to the company which holds the rights of the original. It happens in every film industry.
@@ayushs6099 Here in Mexico we doesn't, but I have to take in consideration that Mexico barely has a film industry nowadays, lol.
@@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747
honestly yeah tons of these looool. that's what i meant in my reply ig. a lot of indian films are just blatant rip-offs of books or movies from other countries. some are official but a lot of them just get by saying shit like "inspired by" or by not even acknowledging the original.
The binoculars are from a painting. Prince Edward Island by Alex Colville.
I genuinely think the flooding of the scout camp was actually inspired by the flood section of the Universal Studios tram tour. I mean, it REALLY looks like that. A LOT.
I love Wes Anderson films. Also Tarantino's.
Most painterly directors; Wes Anderson, Stanley Kubrick, Akira Kurosawa.
Nahhhhh u forgot about Tarkovsky, Ozu, Bergman, and Haneke!
Godard ??
Please dont start with rankings.
oh yeah ofc….just casually forget to mention Satyajit Ray lol
Amazing
Satyajit ray er reference dekhe bhalo laglo.
Two video essays about Wes Anderson in one week? Is it my birthday?
Idk about some of these references. At times it feels like your working backwards. I think some of the Kubrick references are a stretch. How do we know he’s referencing Eyes wide shut with the kids in the masks and not the Wicker Man? They are both being shot from balconies from below, but the angle of the shot, and speed of the zoom, make it all seem coincidental. I agree more with the point at the end of the video, where a majority of these moments aren’t references to one specific film.
Writing to say that 4:52 and 6:31 are truly excellent match cuts.
After seeing Asteroid City, it seems like Rear Window is a Wes source, since that seems like an inspiration for Schwartzman and Johansson there.
There's only so many notes on a musical scale. Some songs will have similarities, unintentional or not.
This man don’t miss !
Wes or Thomas Flight? I agree with both.
"I do not speak the minds of others except to speak my own mind better", perhaps?
you just clickbaited me by using charulata in thumbnail haha. More satyajit ray content sometime?
Probably won't be the first to mention this, but the dance scene is also very reminiscent of the dance scene in Fellini's "8 1/2" which has also been highly suspected to have inspired the pulp fiction scene though Tarantino still insists it was only inspired by bande a part, I think it's very interesting how all of these films contribute to the moonrise kingdom dance scene in some way or another
Yeah, the reason why I'm way softer with Wes Anderson's references compared to Tarantino is that, as Thomas pointed out, there could be a lot of possible inspirations behind that dancing scene, but at the end of the day, it ends up being its own thing.
I cannot unsee the striking similarity between the danding scenes in 8 1/2 and Pulp Fiction, despite Tarantino's claims of it being a reference to Bande À Part.
@@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 right? they're almost shot for shot the same dance, maybe he had bande a part in mind when writing the scene but surely, at least subconsciously, he was keeping 8 1/2 in mind at the same time. Either way, they're all a joy to watch so i guess it doesn't really matter but still its a bit odd that he denies its relation to Fellini's scene outright.
@@nathancroft22 He also denies ever watching François Truffaut's 1968 film La Mariée Etait en Noir despite having the exact same plot as Kill Bill: A widow swears revenge to the people that killed her husband on the day of her wedding, making a list that she crosses each time she takes down one of the killers.
It's the exact same plot and still, he claims to never watching it. I think that is bullshit.
@@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 as much as I do enjoy Tarantino's directing and films, I can't stand that man. Between his ego, his foot fetish stuff, the weirdly fetishistic violence he enjoys way too much (especially against women, like when he nearly killed Uma Thurman on the set of kill bill, wtf was that), and statements like that it's really hard to be endeared to his personality. I think he's an incredible director and artist but a relatively shitty guy.
@@nathancroft22 I agree.
this feels like what Bo was saying over analaying everything too much.
This is shocking!!! Not one mention of Agnès Varda!!!! His work is clearly so, SO inspired by her films, particularly her shorts.
yess bro i knew those zoom effects reminded me of kubrick
I did not know you looked this good boi