I say spring or plate on an inst, and favorite room size on the mixer loop, but the guy I learned from had room size equations for plates and delay echoes to bounce right, good you're showing ppl how to find what they'll want out of it
Well done Bill. Really good explanation of the basics and a great start before you head down that rabbit hole, which from my own experience is pretty deep.
That is very true. The way you build a shimmer reverb is to put in a feedback loop, and put an octave circuit in that feedback loop, so you get octaves of octaves of octaves. And yet, the Electro-Harmonix Pitch Fork creates such magic.
I like watching Bill play and the tone/chords he uses more than what he is advertising. I wish he did more videos talking about his guitars, the set ups and the mods (pickups, pots etc).
Hey Percival - I do have demo vids for every guitar I have purchased since starting this channel. But there's really not too much to say beyond, as all of my guitars are all stock. Most of them have not even needed a setup.
I use pad reverbs more than any other type in my ambient music, but there is something really compelling about a nice drippy spring reverb. I think because I listen to a lot of reggae and dub, and springs are all over that! I use a hall type verb with a short decay in the electro-acoustic band that I also play in, and that really suits the bright, woody resonance of the acoustic guitar. That Source Audio spring reverb is really nice Bill.
Adam: sounds like you have a reverb direction that works in the band, and agreed - the True Spring is an excellent choice for focusing on spring type reverbs.
I only use the daw plugins anymore, just fits for me, Valhalla a lot, Bill, I heard you on Pandora today, you came up on my station, a pleasant surprise! I heard the music and thought, I know who that is and sure enough Chords of Orion!
I think it's important to make a distinction between real plate reverbs (as well as modern emulations of them) and early digital reverb "plate" settings (which are kind of their own thing). When you associate plate reverb with the 80s, it's actually early digital reverb you're thinking of. Real plate reverb sounds are more of a 60s/70s studio thing.
I agree that the 80s were when digital plate sounds started becoming available. But real plate reverbs were still in common use at that point. I know this because I recorded in 2 studios with plate reverbs from 1983 - 1987. They sounded fantastic.
@@chordsoforion I didn't mean to suggest that real plate reverbs disappeared overnight. I just meant that Lexicon style digital plate reverb is really different from real plate reverb (and modern emulations). Real plates were around in the 80s, but I wouldn't specifically associate them with that time period. Early digital 'plate' is something I would definitely associate with then.
@@drpibisback7680 Yeah, they were such loose approximations that they're very much their own thing. I think Valhalla Vintage Verb is in that vein (and Valhalla Plate is a much closer emulation of a real plate).
I got the Big Sky in 2015. You can get springy stuff and use it for studio applications too. I'm kind of sad that I'm not looking at reverb units anymore. That Chase Bliss audio with automated faders is amazing but much more money than the Strymon.
Thank you for the vid, Bill! I want to get an Immerse Mk2 at some point, but I see you keep going back to the Mk1. I wonder if one day you might please do a shootout of the two of them? I really want w3t, but can be swayed. As far as the vid subject, spring makes me think of surf rock, plate makes me think of George Thorogood, and hall makes me think of Enya. Not bad company.
Both Immerse's are great. If you need a full wet mix, the Mk II is the way to go. I do though have a soft spot in my heart for the MK I hall reverb type. It does seem just a bit different from the MK II.Unfortunately, I can't do a shootout, as I gave away the MK II last year when my album "Rumination" released.
@@illegal_space_alien The MkII tends to sound a bit better overall, and sometimes a bit different rather than better. I had both in the past, and got rid of them. I kept running into weird quirks with the two pedals, and the stepped reverb decay when the tails are longer was a deal-breaker for me. If you want to try them yourself, maybe consider used pedals? The only similarly priced reverb pedal I've got that I love and keep is my EHX Cathedral. I think the Oceans 12 is also close to the Immerse's price, also in my collection. My favorites are my RV500 and Specular Tempus.
Spring reverb is the only "oldschool" ambient effect I don't like - while tape or analog delays sound beautiful and complex, spring reverb sounds like a cheap room reverb. Plate reverb is awesome though, especially for clean tones.
I can see where you're coming from. But I have to disagree. Maybe some digital modelers don't get it right, but the spring reverb on my AC30 sounds just right. Great with a tape-ish delay or my EHX Deluxe Memory Man. Or even with shimmer reverb from my Immerse MKII. But again, this is taste. So neither of us is right or wrong in the end :D And agree 100%, plate reverbs are awesome!
Spring sounds modulated, and modulation is good for adding a little more movement and interest to sound. Like many other things, it rocks in the right context, amd some folks mostly use spring outright. The EHX Cathedral has my favorite spring reverbs from my reverb pedal collection so far.
They are definitely a good bet at the cheaper end of the market as they are both stereo pedals, which will be important for electronic stuff, but quality is noticeably better as the cost increases. Best value for money is around the £250-300 mark. Neunaber Immerse, Walrus Audio, Meris Mercury 7 even Boss RV500 are all great options. Alternatively old rack effects can be found relatively cheaply. Halls,concert halls,chambers and plates all work well for electronic music,just trust your ears.
@@emilianoibarra3537 to a degree I think that depends on your set up. Eg what I/Os you have on your mixer, whether it’s has auxiliary sends etc. You would need a box that accepts line level too. I’m thinking old rack multi effects again eg Lexicon, Boss etc due to the I/Os normally offering both XLR and 1/4inch. These can be found pretty cheaply now and are incredibly powerful even by today’s pedal standards.If I/Os are 3.5mm the Korg NTS1, though a synth, offers great effects that can be accessed with its line in and it’s relatively low cost as you have to build it yourself.(Its pretty easy. No soldering required). I’ve purposefully avoided anything expensive as I don’t know your budget, but clearly there are greater options the higher up the food chain you go.
@@emilianoibarra3537 I'll throw in another vote for RV500, it rules hard and is super versatile. Also the EHX Cathedral - not as versatile but still awesome. I'm a synth user, I just come to this channel for ideas and pedal demonstrations. The GFI Specular Tempus is also worth a recommendation, quite amazing.
Have you had a chance to try out the Evermore reverb by UAFX? Apparently it's based off the Lexicon 224, and I'm curious how it would stack up against the Neunaber Immerse's Hall algorithm. Or the "Wet" algorithm by Neunaber.
Can you look at pre-delay controls on several reverbs? I’ve seen some define it as a single slap-back delay-style repeat, and others define it as a period before the reverb effect takes place (leaving space for the clean signal). The latter makes more sense to me.
"Cathedral"? It rocks on some pedals. It can be a more tasteful alternative to Hall reverbs depending on the arrangement and how bright your guitar tone is. It can sound nicer with a little bit darker guitar tone as "Cathedral" settings tend to be brighter and mildly different versions of hall.
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All of them. I need all the reverb!
Correct answer
I like your style!
Yup.
yep. agreed. wielding specific reverbs is for pussies!
That hall reverb is so beautiful - especially with that clean tone
I *love* me a sopping wet, drippy spring reverb, especially in to a nice room or hall reverb (depending on the exact reverb sound I want).
I used to use my reverbs interchangeably. It's fun to know you can even make creative choice just while selecting a reverb.
I say spring or plate on an inst, and favorite room size on the mixer loop, but the guy I learned from had room size equations for plates and delay echoes to bounce right, good you're showing ppl how to find what they'll want out of it
Well done Bill. Really good explanation of the basics and a great start before you head down that rabbit hole, which from my own experience is pretty deep.
Shimmer reverb is my thing.
Pair that with an Electro-Harmonix Pitch Fork set to octave up, and the blend at 25%, and magic happens.
Yo dawg, I hear you like octaves - So I put octaves in your octaves, so you can octave while you octave!
That is very true. The way you build a shimmer reverb is to put in a feedback loop, and put an octave circuit in that feedback loop, so you get octaves of octaves of octaves.
And yet, the Electro-Harmonix Pitch Fork creates such magic.
I'll try that with my groovebox now, thanks for the idea. ;)
You are very welcome.
I like watching Bill play and the tone/chords he uses more than what he is advertising. I wish he did more videos talking about his guitars, the set ups and the mods (pickups, pots etc).
Hey Percival - I do have demo vids for every guitar I have purchased since starting this channel. But there's really not too much to say beyond, as all of my guitars are all stock. Most of them have not even needed a setup.
@@chordsoforion Thanks Bill, it shows that they are great guitars out of the box! Can you do a review of the EHX Polychorus one day please. Thank you.
I use pad reverbs more than any other type in my ambient music, but there is something really compelling about a nice drippy spring reverb. I think because I listen to a lot of reggae and dub, and springs are all over that! I use a hall type verb with a short decay in the electro-acoustic band that I also play in, and that really suits the bright, woody resonance of the acoustic guitar. That Source Audio spring reverb is really nice Bill.
Adam: sounds like you have a reverb direction that works in the band, and agreed - the True Spring is an excellent choice for focusing on spring type reverbs.
Some really gorgeous playing there Bill 👍
You have the coolest voice in the universe!
I only use the daw plugins anymore, just fits for me, Valhalla a lot, Bill, I heard you on Pandora today, you came up on my station, a pleasant surprise! I heard the music and thought, I know who that is and sure enough Chords of Orion!
That hall sound took me back to 1974 and "Relayer" by Yes.
The Immerse is such a good pedal. (Even though I think the WET v1 algorithm is slightly better)
I rarely go back from having clean sound with the combination of a delay into Immerse MKII with the W3T setting. So good.
I think it's important to make a distinction between real plate reverbs (as well as modern emulations of them) and early digital reverb "plate" settings (which are kind of their own thing).
When you associate plate reverb with the 80s, it's actually early digital reverb you're thinking of. Real plate reverb sounds are more of a 60s/70s studio thing.
I agree that the 80s were when digital plate sounds started becoming available. But real plate reverbs were still in common use at that point. I know this because I recorded in 2 studios with plate reverbs from 1983 - 1987. They sounded fantastic.
@@chordsoforion I didn't mean to suggest that real plate reverbs disappeared overnight. I just meant that Lexicon style digital plate reverb is really different from real plate reverb (and modern emulations).
Real plates were around in the 80s, but I wouldn't specifically associate them with that time period. Early digital 'plate' is something I would definitely associate with then.
@@eyeball226 Lexicon verbs are so weird they have their own emulations now, right?
@@drpibisback7680 Yeah, they were such loose approximations that they're very much their own thing. I think Valhalla Vintage Verb is in that vein (and Valhalla Plate is a much closer emulation of a real plate).
great video . good info !
Outstanding Informational Video! Well done.
Been playing 25 years and never knew the differences. All I knew was my twin reverb had reverb and it was good 👍🏻.
Dripping wet spring reverb surf guitar rules!
always
Nice explanation! :)
Thank you for making these!
That hall reverb sounds great.
Yo, that guitar is beautiful man.
Just what I needed
Really Great Video Man.!! ❤
I got the Big Sky in 2015. You can get springy stuff and use it for studio applications too. I'm kind of sad that I'm not looking at reverb units anymore. That Chase Bliss audio with automated faders is amazing but much more money than the Strymon.
Thank you for the vid, Bill! I want to get an Immerse Mk2 at some point, but I see you keep going back to the Mk1. I wonder if one day you might please do a shootout of the two of them? I really want w3t, but can be swayed.
As far as the vid subject, spring makes me think of surf rock, plate makes me think of George Thorogood, and hall makes me think of Enya. Not bad company.
Both Immerse's are great. If you need a full wet mix, the Mk II is the way to go. I do though have a soft spot in my heart for the MK I hall reverb type. It does seem just a bit different from the MK II.Unfortunately, I can't do a shootout, as I gave away the MK II last year when my album "Rumination" released.
@@chordsoforion Fair enough. Thank you for the response!
@@illegal_space_alien The MkII tends to sound a bit better overall, and sometimes a bit different rather than better. I had both in the past, and got rid of them. I kept running into weird quirks with the two pedals, and the stepped reverb decay when the tails are longer was a deal-breaker for me.
If you want to try them yourself, maybe consider used pedals? The only similarly priced reverb pedal I've got that I love and keep is my EHX Cathedral. I think the Oceans 12 is also close to the Immerse's price, also in my collection. My favorites are my RV500 and Specular Tempus.
Spring reverb is the only "oldschool" ambient effect I don't like - while tape or analog delays sound beautiful and complex, spring reverb sounds like a cheap room reverb. Plate reverb is awesome though, especially for clean tones.
I can see where you're coming from. But I have to disagree. Maybe some digital modelers don't get it right, but the spring reverb on my AC30 sounds just right. Great with a tape-ish delay or my EHX Deluxe Memory Man. Or even with shimmer reverb from my Immerse MKII. But again, this is taste. So neither of us is right or wrong in the end :D
And agree 100%, plate reverbs are awesome!
Spring sounds modulated, and modulation is good for adding a little more movement and interest to sound. Like many other things, it rocks in the right context, amd some folks mostly use spring outright. The EHX Cathedral has my favorite spring reverbs from my reverb pedal collection so far.
I _think_ spring reverb was one of Laurens Hammond's inventions, hence found first in Hammond organs.
Kind of a Rush thing Goin on with the hall especially towards the end
Hey bill, what reverb would you pair with a tape delay?
what delay and reverb pedals would be good for electronic music? been thinking about tc electronic flashback 2 and hall of fame 2
They are definitely a good bet at the cheaper end of the market as they are both stereo pedals, which will be important for electronic stuff, but quality is noticeably better as the cost increases. Best value for money is around the £250-300 mark. Neunaber Immerse, Walrus Audio, Meris Mercury 7 even Boss RV500 are all great options. Alternatively old rack effects can be found relatively cheaply. Halls,concert halls,chambers and plates all work well for electronic music,just trust your ears.
@@peterjessop1878 thank you so much, on another side, do you have any recommendation for delay and reverb pedals to perform live? dj setup wise
@@emilianoibarra3537 to a degree I think that depends on your set up. Eg what I/Os you have on your mixer, whether it’s has auxiliary sends etc. You would need a box that accepts line level too. I’m thinking old rack multi effects again eg Lexicon, Boss etc due to the I/Os normally offering both XLR and 1/4inch. These can be found pretty cheaply now and are incredibly powerful even by today’s pedal standards.If I/Os are 3.5mm the Korg NTS1, though a synth, offers great effects that can be accessed with its line in and it’s relatively low cost as you have to build it yourself.(Its pretty easy. No soldering required). I’ve purposefully avoided anything expensive as I don’t know your budget, but clearly there are greater options the higher up the food chain you go.
@@peterjessop1878 thank you so much
@@emilianoibarra3537 I'll throw in another vote for RV500, it rules hard and is super versatile. Also the EHX Cathedral - not as versatile but still awesome. I'm a synth user, I just come to this channel for ideas and pedal demonstrations. The GFI Specular Tempus is also worth a recommendation, quite amazing.
Great reverb demo. Curious about the reverse neck you are using; do you notice the extra length bass strings in sound?
No I don't. I was concerned at the start, but there's no issue for me.
Which pedal best combines spring, hall and plate? And delay would be a nice bonus.
I would consider the Source Audio Collider.
Have you had a chance to try out the Evermore reverb by UAFX? Apparently it's based off the Lexicon 224, and I'm curious how it would stack up against the Neunaber Immerse's Hall algorithm. Or the "Wet" algorithm by Neunaber.
I have not tried it out, however, it looks like it is a mono pedal, whereas the Immerse is stereo, which is an advantage, at least for my rig.
@@chordsoforion That makes sense! Thanks for the reply.
D.) All of The Above
Interesting subject matter, only drawback are the B.S. wipes. Used WAY to much.
Something about 6:10-6:20 reminded me of Solitude by Joe Satriani.
Will you be reviewing the orca and skylar gfi systems any time soon?
Can you look at pre-delay controls on several reverbs? I’ve seen some define it as a single slap-back delay-style repeat, and others define it as a period before the reverb effect takes place (leaving space for the clean signal). The latter makes more sense to me.
I agree with you - I also refer to it as the second description.
What about Church Reverb?
"Cathedral"? It rocks on some pedals. It can be a more tasteful alternative to Hall reverbs depending on the arrangement and how bright your guitar tone is. It can sound nicer with a little bit darker guitar tone as "Cathedral" settings tend to be brighter and mildly different versions of hall.
Where´s the Flerb? 👀
Wszystko zależy w jakim kontekście użyty 🙂 samtimes I use Hall, samtimes MOD..TC HOF 2 👍
I can't stop being inspired by your channel. Now I will be drowning all my tracks in reverb.
lol
Context , Immerse, and Mako R1, Big Sky seem to be the "best" , if you hve alot of money
I like hall or cathedral
That Mako R1 is awesome, but the reverb does not begin if the input signal is not loud enough, and that is sometimes really annoying.
I really like ambient guitar, but I'veen wondering: Is it necesary to have a huge pedalboard in irder to play it?
No. You can create beautiful ambient textures with just one delay pedal.
@@chordsoforion Nice. Thank you for the advice
This is kind of random...but what are your thoughts on psychedelics?
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@@chordsoforion based
It would be much easier to hear the differences if you turned the damn distortion off.
I was thinking opposite…wish he had some distortion so I can hear what is good with rock / metal 😂🤷♂️
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