I agree, but my worry is that, after 43 years in closed custody, she is absolutely unprepared to live in the world of 2024. She would need some form of perpetual care and guidance.
Our "justice" system is very flawed, very stupid. The fact that people have to prove their innocence and the state can just convict a person on ZERO evidence, horrible defense lawyering. "Justice" in this country is for the people who can afford it. Why do you think so many corporations get away with literal murder.
The wheels of Justice move slowly and the wheels of a bureaucracy make the wheels of Justice look like they are spinning as fast as a pulsar. In this case this is a standard "release time" to allow Prosecutors to have time to review the case and decide whether they have evidence to prosecute again because if she had been let off on a technicality then they ought to have the time to see if they can find evidence free from that technicality. Not being the case here, she will probably be let out much sooner but there may also be some time required to assist her in preparing to be out of prison instead of just washing their hands of her and carelessly releasing her and hoping she can now cope with her new freedom after being in prison for decades. Of course she will also now be able to file a wrongful prosecution suit and receive an enormous settlement or judgement because abusing a person under the effects of drugs is a crime that was committed against her.
In the past the prison has not considered a person fit for release after two years until a judge ordered an immediate release. The person was proved innocent after DNA evidence became common. It is also common for these people to be attacked or murdered because other inmates are jelous of their pending release. For profit prisons are notorious of finding reasons to not release the person for months or even years. They may say you got in a fight, didn't show up to something on time, got caught with something in your cell they know doesn't belong to you, etc.
That's what happens when cops and judges convict people to give the families "closure". It allows the real killer to go free and they can now walk around without people looking for them!!!!
@@spyersecol0013 Yes but they didn't charge him with that crime. And how long was this woman in prison for the crime committed by this cop. How long was he free before he got busted for the, what was it, financial crimes he committed? Either they didn't know who the real perp was. Or they knew and covered it up by railroading this innocent woman. Either way they did nothing to catch the real killer.
Such a travesty. There is nothing that can make up for a life wasted in prison. This is why Qualified Immunity must be abolished. Prosecutors and judges need to feel the pain they inflict
"Prosecutors and judges need to feel the pain they inflict." This should be literal and not have anything to do with qualified immunity. Put those guilty of this travesty in prison for 43 years.
Our government is like a garden bed: Sometimes you have to make a thorough removal of all weeds and a change of soil. Ours is currently overrun with weeds, choking out the life of all that is good.
WOW! 43yrs for something a Dirty cop did ! Just imagine how many more people are in prison because of DIRTY COPS ! This is beyond pathetic, what justice system? 😮
I've seen multiple cases where cops or prosecutors have planted evidence, or withheld exculpatory evidence, and innocent people have been found guilty. Between that and blatantly corrupt judges, I have lost every last shred of faith in our "justice" system.
" *It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power* ” ― David Brin
she was being held in a mental facility. Even before police arrive those places abuse your freedom by keeping you sedated on drugs. They gaslight people all the time who are involuntarily committed and they won't let them out until they while on drugs admit that they have a problem that they might not have. mental prisons basically force you to testify against yourself just to gain your freedom and then use that testimony as grounds for keeping you locked up. Then you Add the Police and it's the same game, different prison. She was on so many drugs she probably didn't know her own name, but she was aware enough that if she didn't cooperate, they would give her the death penalty no matter what. Why they needed 4 confessions? Because she was making stuff up just to get them to NOT KILL HER, and so the confessions did not match the crime so they had to go back to get better confessions to build their bogus case against her.
That's just the start. She should get to live in a mansion, with full staff, dine on filet mingon any time she wants, be chauffeured around in a luxury vehicle, all paid for by the estate of the people that falsely imprisoned her. Sadly it will be the taxpayers that foot any bills - but she should still get that treatment.
lol, after 43 years, I know you are joking. Big time! Because you and I know that someone else would be placed in jail, and it is not only that person who actually committed the murder.
@@wjohnsaunderslike the prosecution has done in the Karen Read case. Karen Read is factually innocent. Dirty cops framed her. The murder of John O’Keefe actually occurred in the house basement of a cop; JOK’s face was mincemeat from a fight at the cop’s home and he had massive skull fractures in the back of his head; the family dog with a legally documented history of attacking and biting people ripped up one of JOK’s arms, and JOK was then dumped on the cop’s front lawn. The dog was supposedly “rehomed”-but actually likely was put down and then discarded (likely in the other cop’s backyard pool which was then filled in). The cop then ripped up and completely redid his basement floor, then put his family home of decades on the market and sold it for $50k under market value. Meanwhile, the city PD and the state police then framed JOK’s girlfriend for the murder. I watched the entire trial while working from home. The trial ended in a hung jury notwithstanding overwhelming evidence of the proven frame job against the girlfriend. The Feds are now involved and they have even more evidence of law enforcement corruption, the frame job, and know exactly who the real murderers are. Stay tuned.
Is it broken, or is it just a symptom from having DAs that run for office and are allowed to publish their conviction statistics as part of their campaigns?
Without any legal representation to boot. Oh yeah she waived the legal representation while she was under heavy medication. I agree with you. I feel that someone under heavy medication like that is not competent to waive their rights to be questioned without a lawyer present.
@@jeraldbottcher1588 they definitely aren't competent to sign off on medical decisions about themselves, so it's absurd that they would still be competent for other serious things like that.
I bet since the possible suspect was a cop the justice system was all too happy to let someone innocent rot away in jail. We can't trust our justice system.
Yep crooked authorities framed her, exploited her mental illness & coerced her into making false confessions while she was sedated & being treated with antipsychotic medication. They covered up & suppressed evidence that implicated one of their own Officer Michael Holman who was already suspected of corruption by the department & hid that he had been the main suspect in the murder being directly linked to the crime scene. He was caught on camera trying to use of the victim’s missing credit card after her death to withdraw money. Holman’s truck was also spotted near the crime scene at the time of her murder & a pair of earrings identified by the victims father were later found in Holman’s possession.
Makes you wonder if the Cop who committed the murder, who died in jail, was also one of the people who helped convict this woman in the first place. Covering his tracks.
Prosecutors also sometimes fight tooth and nail to NOT even test some evidence for DNA, because if it were to find things like more then one person's DNA was on the item then it would make it more complicated to prosecute them if the defense could point to some other person.
After you win your lawsuit, you buy a nice piece of land in the country, and try to find peace. Up until then, you go on a press tour that not only shames the police department, you single out the detectives, the hospital (doctors especially), the judges, and the D.A.’s office during those decades. You create such a whirlwind of questions that everyone has to pay attention.
@@teesimpson3872that’s a nice thought. But jail changes people. It’s a mental mind fuck and she most likely has PTSD.I doubt she will find peace. There’s a reason why they give u a psych eval going in but not one going out.
What life? Your life is gone. Everyone you knew and cared about is long gone or so estranged thats its easier to have conversations with complete strangers though you'll have nothing in common to talk about because she hasnt been alive on planet earth for the last 30 years, shes been on another planet made of metal bars and concrete occupied by a whole different species. Imagine being shoved out the door of a spaceship into a foreign world you dont recognize filled with people you cant relate to and told you are free to go... go where? Do what? She's institutionalized. They took her life and just kicked her out of the only home she's ever known.
Spend the rest of it trying to sue the government to get enough cash to live on, if you can find a lawyer that will represent you for a cut of the money that is.
@@alli3219 whatever you want to call it or twist it, you know what I meant. My point being if it works so well this woman's life along with many, many other innocent people wouldn't have been ruined by our government corporation!
Agree in theory, but they have to hang on to her until the prosecutor declines to re-prosecute. Its like holding an accused but "assumed innocent" person in jail while they prepare to try them.
Where do you even start? They open the doors to the prison and say you’re free goodbye. 43 years ago, think about it, the world was a completely different place… a color TV was expensive, no cell phones.. now we have self driving cars Jesus that poor woman I hope she can sue the state.. or the city county whoever at least give her some money to live the rest of her life reasonably comfortable!
Think your curiosity should be asking, "How many people in prison right now 'should' be exonerated. The Innocents Project is adjudicating thousands of these cases. Those that put the people in prison are fighting hard to make sure those convictions are not overturned.
Punishing an innocent person is equivalent to murdering someone 43 years of abuse for someone that didn't deserve it. Her life is basically over and now how is she supposed to function in society???
Wait so one cop killed a woman whilst burglarizing her home, then other cops coerced a drugged up patient into signing fake confessions, four to make extra sure. Hmmm...
I hope she can file a lawsuit for spending all those years in prison. Not only were there several violations of her being interrogated while not being coherent, but her attorney should have told the court about this force confession.
Missouri doesn't pay restitution for wrongful convictions Edit: I see that changed 2 years ago. Up to $65,000 per year now. Dispersed at 25% for the 1st year followed by an annuity divided equally but not to exceed $80,000 per year.
Because so many of the wrongfully convicted are black, states have put strict limitations on restitution payments. Many states offer the wrongly convicted nothing.
A combination of it was probably a cop that was the actual murderer, and the system never ever admits it was at fault. I wouldn't say it's a plurality but there are a very large number of Innocents in prison.
The criminal court system is not about justice, it's about winning. Admitting her innocence would have meant several people from the arresting officers to the DA to the Judge losing a conviction from their record, which is just unconscionable (to them). There needs to be a shift towards purely evidence based convictions, several nations don't allow confessions to be submitted as evidence at all, they're too easy to coerce out of people.
"Why do you call the Government a Gooberment?".. Imagine how many are still in prison All Because Attorney's General ONLY care about convictions and NOT convicting the actual guilty party.
And on that point. All DAs need to be charged with the subsequent crimes committed by the actual guilty party to that crime. For had they not railroaded an innocent person to get the guilty verdict they would have still been looking for the actual perp.
@@Nysvarth When the quality of those confessions is so poor, they contradict each other, they are clearly coerced, and she likely wasn't even sane enough to stand trial, yes.
Well that's something. Lets assume a base number of age of 20 yrs old at time of conviction plus 45 yrs incarcerated that puts her at 65 yrs old minimum age. 2.8 million to retire on lets say 20 yrs to 25 yrs. she should be quite comfortable with that. And no it doesn't make up nor justify the 45 yrs she lost in prison.
Try telling the cops that the girl "consented" *while she was doped up on psychiatric drugs* and see how that works out for you. As usual, these hypocrites don't follow their own rules.
Her guilty verdict was reversed based on a mistrial. Our justice system does not find anyone innocent. If there is a mistrial they are allowed to retry, assuming the original verdict was a guilty verdict.
There are people in prison, and people who serve their sentences, who were unable to prove their innocence or prove a negative such as the crime never actually happened! Some sexual assault cases, and assault cases for example. Disgusting
Has anyone heard about Leonard Peltier's case? He was convicted of adding and abetting his codefendants that had previously been found not guilty on the grounds of self defense and has now been in Federal Prison for close to 50 years.
@@cycleboy8028 Because he wasn't convicted for the part of the shootout that was ruled self-defense, he was convicted for executing the wounded and defenseless FBI agents afterwards. Multiple other members of AIM have testified under oath that he bragged about murdering the agents including as recently as 2010 during a trial for the murder of an FBI informant by AIM members. His guilt is not in question, the question is about FBI corruption tainting the legitimacy of his conviction.
Or even possible given that most if not all of the witnesses would either be dead or so old as to not remember any of the facts of the case. I would argue certainly a fair trial would not be possible.
After judgment there is no conviction and the prosecution is free to try again. The prosecution will offer a lesser offence with time served, she will take to be released, and thus the prosecution protect there fellow cop.
Imagine having most of your life taken away when you did nothing wrong. This is her reality. She needs to be compensated, and the money needs to come from our corrupt politicians and judges. Not the taxpayers. Even then, she'll never get back what was taken from her. It is absolutely despicable.
I had the same thought. If she’s innocent in the eyes of the appeals court, then let her out today and get ready for the multi-million dollar lawsuit that is incoming and they will be paying out.
Because they do not want to admit that they were both wrong and incompetent in the first trial, and that the confessions were obtained while the person was not in a sound state due to being heavily medicated against their will, which the original prosecutorial team knew, seeing as they got 4 different confessions out of a heavily drugged victim.
@@SeanBZA Yeah, but the question is why the appeals court is leaving it up to the prosecution. That ship has sailed, let her go. They found her innocent, and that the prosecutors engaged in bad behavior. There is no reason to give the current office another crack at it.
Actually innocent doesn't really exist. Her convicitionn was overturned because evidence used in the trial was found to be problematical. There was no trial that found her "not guilty". If the prosecutor thinks the remaining evidence warrants a trial, they ask charge her again.
Why was she in jail for 43 years? According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, the average time served for murder is only 17.5 years. I suspect that if she hadn't fought the charges she would have been out 20 years ago. How sad is that.
She didn't really fight the charges. She took a plea deal. Life without parole to remove the DP. That statistic is also misleading. It's including all 'degrees' of murder and people who die in prison. In other words, if you do 5 years + probation for felony murder, you're pulling that average way down. If you're getting the DP for multiple counts of murder 1 and use up all your appeals in 15 years, you're *also* pulling that number down. If a rival gang kills you in there, you're pulling that number down. "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
She was about 20 or so when this occurred. The stress and toll incarceration takes on a person, in this case 43 years. Putting her at about 63 to 65 years old. She, sadly, probably doesn't have another 20 years left.
And the Missouri AG wants to add to her misery with an appeal arguing in essense that she got in a fight with a prison worker in '96 and therefore must be guilty 🤬
@@Citizen_GE it probably varies. There's one state (I forget which, but it was a southern state) that passed a law that basically said anyone with prior convictions (that weren't overturned) isn't eligible to sue the state for wrongful imprisonment, which was heavily criticized by a ton of people after it was passed.
What do you even DO with your 'freedom' after spending 43 yrs imprisoned? Theworld has changed so m7ch she'll be incapable of reint8grating. I hope this release accompanies a huge settlement, & a great many social services 😡
And 60% of that 20% are falsely imprisoned due to prosecutorial misconduct and/or malicious prosecution. So, that means 12% of incarcerated people are in prison because the prosecutor was grossly incompetent, the prosecutor wanted to “win” the case to benefit their own career progression or the prosecutor was abusing their position to get revenge or some other malevolent motive.
Nothing will be done to the evil freaks that did this to her. I wonder what her net worth was during her original trial. One other thought, isn't there a man still in prison even though he's actually innocent because there is no provision in the law to free him? I remember something about that separate outrage a couple years ago. So much for actual innocence.
The problem with the system is that the DA sees his/her job as pursuing conviction, the defense lawyer sees the job as requiring acquittal, and nobody sees the job as seeking the truth and justice. Don't say it's the judge's job, because s/he is there mostly to rule on points of law. Furthermore, to prove how inadequate the system of "justice" is, consider the fact that if you replace either one or both of the attorneys of the trial, and/or members of the jury, the verdict may change, even though the facts of the case are constant. The first step towards correcting the inadequacies is to start evaluating the merit of DA by whether truth was established, rather than by whether the case was won or lost. Also, in theory, instead of a jury of our peers, a panel of experienced judges with proven knowledge of the law should yield greater consistency in verdicts. However, this would require judges who are able to abandon their own personal prejudices, and given recent revelations related to the SCOTUS, this may be easier said than done.
That's a limit on federal habeas corpus but most States have post-conviction relief statutes that can be used. The Supreme Court overruled 100 year old precedent about that in one of its most disgusting decisions in years.
You are correct, there's no way they can really makeup for losing the prime years of her life. However, this is a perfect example for not having a death penalty because whatever life she has left at least there can be some restitution made.
Witness statements and confessions should not be enough to jail a person. Evidence in support of, and no evidence against, should be required to rob someone of their future. Yes, this would mean the guilty can walk free. But this is preferable to the innocent being jailed. And when it's a government agent (cop, judge, prosecutor, politician, etc) that intentionally set you up or railroaded you, that agent should be jailed for the full max sentence you were at risk of getting. No amount of money can make that woman whole again.
"Must be freed".... ? If she's innocent, the judge should have ordered immediate release. Why keep someone innocent behind bars a day beyond the judgement?
She is found innocent but they have 30 days to release her ? WHAT ?
She is INNOCENT, release her NOW.
And they’re fighting that.
I agree, but my worry is that, after 43 years in closed custody, she is absolutely unprepared to live in the world of 2024. She would need some form of perpetual care and guidance.
Our "justice" system is very flawed, very stupid. The fact that people have to prove their innocence and the state can just convict a person on ZERO evidence, horrible defense lawyering. "Justice" in this country is for the people who can afford it. Why do you think so many corporations get away with literal murder.
The wheels of Justice move slowly and the wheels of a bureaucracy make the wheels of Justice look like they are spinning as fast as a pulsar. In this case this is a standard "release time" to allow Prosecutors to have time to review the case and decide whether they have evidence to prosecute again because if she had been let off on a technicality then they ought to have the time to see if they can find evidence free from that technicality. Not being the case here, she will probably be let out much sooner but there may also be some time required to assist her in preparing to be out of prison instead of just washing their hands of her and carelessly releasing her and hoping she can now cope with her new freedom after being in prison for decades.
Of course she will also now be able to file a wrongful prosecution suit and receive an enormous settlement or judgement because abusing a person under the effects of drugs is a crime that was committed against her.
@@roycsinclair brave to assume readers will know what a pulsar is! great reference nonetheless
A lifetime lost. I can't even imagine. And they aren't releasing her for at least 30 days? How ? I'm just speechless
They can release her anytime
Within 30 days
Hopefully it's Sooner than later
She should have been released IMMEDIATELY following the judge saying she was innocent.
In the past the prison has not considered a person fit for release after two years until a judge ordered an immediate release. The person was proved innocent after DNA evidence became common. It is also common for these people to be attacked or murdered because other inmates are jelous of their pending release. For profit prisons are notorious of finding reasons to not release the person for months or even years. They may say you got in a fight, didn't show up to something on time, got caught with something in your cell they know doesn't belong to you, etc.
@@dsmbilly3690The second half of your comment was like a jump scare played back in slomo
@@DaveBigDawgshe should have been released within Thirty MINUTES after being told she was innocent.
I wonder how many times parole was denied her, because she never showed remorse for a murder that she did not commit.
This is the major flaw in the parole system.
I'm pretty sure the answer is 0 times. She was doing life without parole. She plead guilty to that to take the DP off the table.
I don't now about the US, but in the UK you have to admit to doing the crime before you get parole.
@@grahvis It's the same here in the US too.
Not only did they destroy her life, they made sure the real killer stayed on the streets.
It was a cop. Of course they did.
That's what happens when cops and judges convict people to give the families "closure". It allows the real killer to go free and they can now walk around without people looking for them!!!!
Did your ears fail to hear the part about the actual killer dying while in prison?
@@spyersecol0013 Yes but they didn't charge him with that crime. And how long was this woman in prison for the crime committed by this cop. How long was he free before he got busted for the, what was it, financial crimes he committed? Either they didn't know who the real perp was. Or they knew and covered it up by railroading this innocent woman. Either way they did nothing to catch the real killer.
@@spyersecol0013 Plus, how long did he run around free after this woman was convicted?
Such a travesty. There is nothing that can make up for a life wasted in prison. This is why Qualified Immunity must be abolished. Prosecutors and judges need to feel the pain they inflict
100%!!!!!
"Prosecutors and judges need to feel the pain they inflict." This should be literal and not have anything to do with qualified immunity. Put those guilty of this travesty in prison for 43 years.
Prosecutors and judges have absolute immunity. The cops have qualified immunity.
Our government is like a garden bed: Sometimes you have to make a thorough removal of all weeds and a change of soil. Ours is currently overrun with weeds, choking out the life of all that is good.
@@glorioskiolaNot before GOD, who will ultimately decide!
WOW! 43yrs for something a Dirty cop did ! Just imagine how many more people are in prison because of DIRTY COPS ! This is beyond pathetic, what justice system? 😮
Quite a few I'd guess. Cops and courts protect their own, even when they don't deserve protection.
I've seen multiple cases where cops or prosecutors have planted evidence, or withheld exculpatory evidence, and innocent people have been found guilty.
Between that and blatantly corrupt judges, I have lost every last shred of faith in our "justice" system.
Interesting it was probably a cop who did it. It makes you wonder if he framed her.
There's already information about that, about one third of the prison population is innocent (on this channel been talked about it)
" *It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power* ” ― David Brin
Another good reason not to ever talk to the police.
FTP...
I don't answer questions! I don't consent to searches. Get off my property.
At least not talk Without your Lawyer
she was being held in a mental facility. Even before police arrive those places abuse your freedom by keeping you sedated on drugs. They gaslight people all the time who are involuntarily committed and they won't let them out until they while on drugs admit that they have a problem that they might not have. mental prisons basically force you to testify against yourself just to gain your freedom and then use that testimony as grounds for keeping you locked up.
Then you Add the Police and it's the same game, different prison. She was on so many drugs she probably didn't know her own name, but she was aware enough that if she didn't cooperate, they would give her the death penalty no matter what. Why they needed 4 confessions? Because she was making stuff up just to get them to NOT KILL HER, and so the confessions did not match the crime so they had to go back to get better confessions to build their bogus case against her.
Someone like this should never have to pay taxes ever again... ever.
That's just the start. She should get to live in a mansion, with full staff, dine on filet mingon any time she wants, be chauffeured around in a luxury vehicle, all paid for by the estate of the people that falsely imprisoned her. Sadly it will be the taxpayers that foot any bills - but she should still get that treatment.
Happening right now .... people say crazy stuff if you push them for 10 15 hours and promise them they get to go home if they confess.
lol, after 43 years, I know you are joking. Big time! Because you and I know that someone else would be placed in jail, and it is not only that person who actually committed the murder.
No one should have to pay taxes it’s extortion. 🤦🏽♂️
@@CHMichael Steve did a video not long ago where the police got a man to confess to murdering his father who turned out to have just been out of town.
A lot of prosecutors consider actual innocence to BE a mere technicality.
A technicality where they need to do something sneaky to get around it and get that conviction.
Shinn v. Ramirez: Supreme court decision in 2023 ruled that actual evidence of innocence is irrelevant.
You are correct. Especially if they are covering for buddies with badges. I'm pro law enforcement, but the truth is the truth.
@@wjohnsaunderslike the prosecution has done in the Karen Read case. Karen Read is factually innocent. Dirty cops framed her. The murder of John O’Keefe actually occurred in the house basement of a cop; JOK’s face was mincemeat from a fight at the cop’s home and he had massive skull fractures in the back of his head; the family dog with a legally documented history of attacking and biting people ripped up one of JOK’s arms, and JOK was then dumped on the cop’s front lawn. The dog was supposedly “rehomed”-but actually likely was put down and then discarded (likely in the other cop’s backyard pool which was then filled in). The cop then ripped up and completely redid his basement floor, then put his family home of decades on the market and sold it for $50k under market value. Meanwhile, the city PD and the state police then framed JOK’s girlfriend for the murder. I watched the entire trial while working from home. The trial ended in a hung jury notwithstanding overwhelming evidence of the proven frame job against the girlfriend. The Feds are now involved and they have even more evidence of law enforcement corruption, the frame job, and know exactly who the real murderers are. Stay tuned.
It took 40 some years to figure this out the system is broke broke broke broke
Is it broken, or is it just a symptom from having DAs that run for office and are allowed to publish their conviction statistics as part of their campaigns?
They just don't care.
@@donaldjohnson-ow3kq Believe me I know we have commonwealth attorneys they are still part of the broken system.
The system is working the way it was designed to keep people incarcerated unfortunately
@@donaldjohnson-ow3kqyes, it's broken
It's amazing that people under psychiatric drugs can even be interrogated by police. That should be abolished!
Without any legal representation to boot. Oh yeah she waived the legal representation while she was under heavy medication. I agree with you. I feel that someone under heavy medication like that is not competent to waive their rights to be questioned without a lawyer present.
@@jeraldbottcher1588 they definitely aren't competent to sign off on medical decisions about themselves, so it's absurd that they would still be competent for other serious things like that.
They owe her 43 years back pay
I bet since the possible suspect was a cop the justice system was all too happy to let someone innocent rot away in jail. We can't trust our justice system.
NEVER say "justice"system, legal system is the correct term
Yep crooked authorities framed her, exploited her mental illness & coerced her into making false confessions while she was sedated & being treated with antipsychotic medication. They covered up & suppressed evidence that implicated one of their own Officer Michael Holman who was already suspected of corruption by the department & hid that he had been the main suspect in the murder being directly linked to the crime scene. He was caught on camera trying to use of the victim’s missing credit card after her death to withdraw money. Holman’s truck was also spotted near the crime scene at the time of her murder & a pair of earrings identified by the victims father were later found in Holman’s possession.
Makes you wonder if the Cop who committed the murder, who died in jail, was also one of the people who helped convict this woman in the first place. Covering his tracks.
Yes, of course he did. I surely hope true justice finds him on the other side...
And my wife doesn't understand why i don't trust the system.
I have a bunch of family and friends just like that. They think I'm crazy and I think theyre beyond ignorant to the point of dangerous.
I just don't trust people... the system is just a process...
And this is why prosecutors often object to retesting evidence, because they know that they railroaded the poor schlub in prison.
Prosecutors also sometimes fight tooth and nail to NOT even test some evidence for DNA, because if it were to find things like more then one person's DNA was on the item then it would make it more complicated to prosecute them if the defense could point to some other person.
Good point
I'm sure it's no accident this only came to light after the cop perpetrator died.
What do you even try to do with your life after having spent over 40 years of it behind bars?
You spend the rest of it tracking down the people who put you in there and getting revenge.
After you win your lawsuit, you buy a nice piece of land in the country, and try to find peace. Up until then, you go on a press tour that not only shames the police department, you single out the detectives, the hospital (doctors especially), the judges, and the D.A.’s office during those decades. You create such a whirlwind of questions that everyone has to pay attention.
@@teesimpson3872that’s a nice thought. But jail changes people. It’s a mental mind fuck and she most likely has PTSD.I doubt she will find peace. There’s a reason why they give u a psych eval going in but not one going out.
What life? Your life is gone. Everyone you knew and cared about is long gone or so estranged thats its easier to have conversations with complete strangers though you'll have nothing in common to talk about because she hasnt been alive on planet earth for the last 30 years, shes been on another planet made of metal bars and concrete occupied by a whole different species. Imagine being shoved out the door of a spaceship into a foreign world you dont recognize filled with people you cant relate to and told you are free to go... go where? Do what? She's institutionalized. They took her life and just kicked her out of the only home she's ever known.
Spend the rest of it trying to sue the government to get enough cash to live on, if you can find a lawyer that will represent you for a cut of the money that is.
*"It is better that 100 guilty men go free than one innocent man go to prison"* - no idea who but I stand by this.
I believe it was Thomas Jefferson.
98% certainty
It was William Blackstone. Just double checked on Google
*WORD* That poor lady! What a monstrous miscarriage of justice!
So who goes to prison
For putting her Prison
And we are supposed to think and believe the "justice" system works? What a joke!!
It's a court of law, not justice ⚖️!!! FFS
@@alli3219 whatever you want to call it or twist it, you know what I meant. My point being if it works so well this woman's life along with many, many other innocent people wouldn't have been ruined by our government corporation!
Technically, it worked exactly as designed
And this is why I no longer support the death penalty.
💯👍
Under one condition TREASON
@@StateFarmGaming No; not even Trump should get the death penalty; just life behind bars.
Me too. Studies have shown that innocent people are executed in the US at least 4% of the time.
Agree.
This is pretty significant. Instead of finding her not guilty he found her innocent.
How horrible. A cop framed her? Nobody should want a system that works this way! I'm glad she was finally heard.
That's so horrible, isn't it?
within 30 days and not immediate? one thing that really makes me mad, is that the prosecutors are only interested in a conviction. not the truth
Thirty Days! She should be released immediately!
Agree in theory, but they have to hang on to her until the prosecutor declines to re-prosecute. Its like holding an accused but "assumed innocent" person in jail while they prepare to try them.
There is NOTHING anyone can do to compensate her.
Her life is destroyed!
Where do you even start? They open the doors to the prison and say you’re free goodbye. 43 years ago, think about it, the world was a completely different place… a color TV was expensive, no cell phones.. now we have self driving cars Jesus that poor woman I hope she can sue the state.. or the city county whoever at least give her some money to live the rest of her life reasonably comfortable!
She needs millions of dollars ; tax free .
This is so bad ,man can you imagine
It really makes you wonder how many people in prison right now will eventually be exonerated...
Even worse how many innocent people will never be exonerated. We only hear about the exonerated ones.
Think your curiosity should be asking, "How many people in prison right now 'should' be exonerated. The Innocents Project is adjudicating thousands of these cases. Those that put the people in prison are fighting hard to make sure those convictions are not overturned.
There's so many.
Lots
This is the main reason that I've switched from being pro death penalty to against it.
Putting innocent people in prison let's the true criminal continue to commit crimes.
Punishing an innocent person is equivalent to murdering someone 43 years of abuse for someone that didn't deserve it. Her life is basically over and now how is she supposed to function in society???
Wait so one cop killed a woman whilst burglarizing her home, then other cops coerced a drugged up patient into signing fake confessions, four to make extra sure. Hmmm...
I hope she can file a lawsuit for spending all those years in prison. Not only were there several violations of her being interrogated while not being coherent, but her attorney should have told the court about this force confession.
Missouri doesn't pay restitution for wrongful convictions
Edit: I see that changed 2 years ago. Up to $65,000 per year now. Dispersed at 25% for the 1st year followed by an annuity divided equally but not to exceed $80,000 per year.
It's Missouri. They don't compensate the wrongly imprisoned unless they are exonerated by DNA evidence.
No amount of money can repay what she has lost. Heartbreaking tragedy
Because so many of the wrongfully convicted are black, states have put strict limitations on restitution payments. Many states offer the wrongly convicted nothing.
@@MarkSparks-xd9yy I'd be curious if Missouri state law would apply here if the cause of action was taken under a federal civil rights claim.
But remember guys thin Blue line trust the system get your day in court take your medicine
Fk the blue line disgraceful
So, why isn't the prosecutor in this case investigated?! WHAT DID HE KNOW
Probably he is dead now
Meanwhile…. The actual murderer slides by for 43 years. Unbelievable.
well he died in prison years ago
Never will be found probably
He was found, he died in 2015.
2:40
Jesus, how did it take this long for this vile state abuse to be overturned.
A combination of it was probably a cop that was the actual murderer, and the system never ever admits it was at fault. I wouldn't say it's a plurality but there are a very large number of Innocents in prison.
The criminal court system is not about justice, it's about winning. Admitting her innocence would have meant several people from the arresting officers to the DA to the Judge losing a conviction from their record, which is just unconscionable (to them). There needs to be a shift towards purely evidence based convictions, several nations don't allow confessions to be submitted as evidence at all, they're too easy to coerce out of people.
Jesus will give her justice, I pray 🙏🏼
"Why do you call the Government a Gooberment?"..
Imagine how many are still in prison All Because Attorney's General ONLY care about convictions and NOT convicting the actual guilty party.
And on that point. All DAs need to be charged with the subsequent crimes committed by the actual guilty party to that crime. For had they not railroaded an innocent person to get the guilty verdict they would have still been looking for the actual perp.
I refer to them as the gooferment
"We locked up an innocent person for 43 years? Oopsie, our bad, ha ha, boy is our face red. Oh well, no hard feelings, right".
So you think they should have let her go after she confessed multiple times and plead guilty in court?
@@Nysvarth When the quality of those confessions is so poor, they contradict each other, they are clearly coerced, and she likely wasn't even sane enough to stand trial, yes.
What disgusting vile so called justice system that does this to innocent people
And just what does the woman get for her 43 years of slavery?
Missouri says $65k max per year. Shameful.
She should at least get one million per year.
Forced to pay taxes food clothes rent etc. on top of this some guy will be planning moves on any compensation awarded. She’s lost either way 😢
By Missouri law, she’s only entitled to 2.8 Million dollars
I would love to see someone challenge the laws that limit wrongful imprisonment damages under the 5th Amendment as an unjust taking.
Well that's something. Lets assume a base number of age of 20 yrs old at time of conviction plus 45 yrs incarcerated that puts her at 65 yrs old minimum age. 2.8 million to retire on lets say 20 yrs to 25 yrs. she should be quite comfortable with that. And no it doesn't make up nor justify the 45 yrs she lost in prison.
By Missouri law, she's entitled to nothing because she wasn't exonerated by DNA evidence.
2.8 mil outta tax payer pockets....
@@pARabell9mm Tax payers need to start taking a greater interest in building better institutions instead of trying to sabotage/demolish them.
Good thing Scalia is not around to overturn that decision. He said mere innocence is not enough to let you out of jail as long as the trial was valid.
Thank you for letting me know. Lost all respect after reading this
"Signed under chemical restraints" A fancier term than roofie.
Try telling the cops that the girl "consented" *while she was doped up on psychiatric drugs* and see how that works out for you. As usual, these hypocrites don't follow their own rules.
If she was found innocent, how are they allowed to retry her???
Her guilty verdict was reversed based on a mistrial. Our justice system does not find anyone innocent. If there is a mistrial they are allowed to retry, assuming the original verdict was a guilty verdict.
Guilty until proven innocent. The way it always has and is. Innocent until proven guilty?? BS!!
The state A.G.'s office is still upholding her conviction, even in light of all this evidence. Unbelievable.
There are people in prison, and people who serve their sentences, who were unable to prove their innocence or prove a negative such as the crime never actually happened! Some sexual assault cases, and assault cases for example. Disgusting
Has anyone heard about Leonard Peltier's case? He was convicted of adding and abetting his codefendants that had previously been found not guilty on the grounds of self defense and has now been in Federal Prison for close to 50 years.
That's nuts. How can it be a crime for you aid and abet a legal action???
So many freedom fighters being hurt on trumped up charges. The feds are terrible.
That's just great ..... horrible thing is that I'm not surprised.
@@cycleboy8028 Because he wasn't convicted for the part of the shootout that was ruled self-defense, he was convicted for executing the wounded and defenseless FBI agents afterwards. Multiple other members of AIM have testified under oath that he bragged about murdering the agents including as recently as 2010 during a trial for the murder of an FBI informant by AIM members. His guilt is not in question, the question is about FBI corruption tainting the legitimacy of his conviction.
Yes, I remember hearing about his case in the 90s, it's an outrage he is sill there!
How would retrying her not be double jeopardy?
Or even possible given that most if not all of the witnesses would either be dead or so old as to not remember any of the facts of the case. I would argue certainly a fair trial would not be possible.
After judgment there is no conviction and the prosecution is free to try again. The prosecution will offer a lesser offence with time served, she will take to be released, and thus the prosecution protect there fellow cop.
In cases were a mistrial is declared, an exception is made. Quite often, the persecution(intentional misspelling) let's it go.
An officer committed the crime and an innocent civilian went to prison for it? Huh...
She should be released as soon as she is found innocent. The phone at the prison should be ringing.
She needs at least a million a year, tax free, for every year she spent. Atrocious.
Sadly, the max in missouri is 65k/year. Total take home is probably going to be just a little north of a million.
Imagine having most of your life taken away when you did nothing wrong. This is her reality. She needs to be compensated, and the money needs to come from our corrupt politicians and judges. Not the taxpayers. Even then, she'll never get back what was taken from her. It is absolutely despicable.
Atrocious crimes committed by the state and local governments. Horrible.
If she is actually innocent, I don't understand why prosecutors should be allowed to retry her.
I had the same thought. If she’s innocent in the eyes of the appeals court, then let her out today and get ready for the multi-million dollar lawsuit that is incoming and they will be paying out.
Because they do not want to admit that they were both wrong and incompetent in the first trial, and that the confessions were obtained while the person was not in a sound state due to being heavily medicated against their will, which the original prosecutorial team knew, seeing as they got 4 different confessions out of a heavily drugged victim.
@@SeanBZA Yeah, but the question is why the appeals court is leaving it up to the prosecution. That ship has sailed, let her go. They found her innocent, and that the prosecutors engaged in bad behavior. There is no reason to give the current office another crack at it.
Because prosecutors are psychopaths who don't care about the truth or reality.
Actually innocent doesn't really exist. Her convicitionn was overturned because evidence used in the trial was found to be problematical. There was no trial that found her "not guilty".
If the prosecutor thinks the remaining evidence warrants a trial, they ask charge her again.
Talk about pulling the short straw. She is living a nightmare.
I’m more stunned that 1984 was 40 years ago
1984 is as far in the past as WW2 was in 1984
Crazy how time flies.
Heck, I was out of the USN and college and stating a new job in 1980
As late gen X I can relate 😂
And yet Missouri AG Bailey is refusing to release or retry her, instead saying he's appealing the judges decision.
43 years gone and wasted. Her imprisonment is criminal.
AGAIN......WHY....am I against capital punishment???
The cops should be charged, and everything he has should be given to her.
He’s dead.
And, this is why we watch the video before we comment.
And the prosecutor, and the judge, and any witnesses, etc.
@@mrdeletedthat should make it easier
@brent No. Dead people can't be tried and own no property;
That's longer than I've been alive and I've already got gray hairs.
This happened bc she was poor and mentally ill. Justice for all? I don't think so.
She’s deserves a minimum of $100 million
Now we’re talking !
Why was she in jail for 43 years? According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, the average time served for murder is only 17.5 years. I suspect that if she hadn't fought the charges she would have been out 20 years ago. How sad is that.
She didn't really fight the charges. She took a plea deal. Life without parole to remove the DP.
That statistic is also misleading. It's including all 'degrees' of murder and people who die in prison.
In other words, if you do 5 years + probation for felony murder, you're pulling that average way down. If you're getting the DP for multiple counts of murder 1 and use up all your appeals in 15 years, you're *also* pulling that number down. If a rival gang kills you in there, you're pulling that number down.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
30 days?! She should be released immediately
"There was no reason to do any housework at all. After the first four years, the dirt doesn't get any worse!"
Can confirm.
Isn't that by Quentin Crisp?
@@paulqueripel3493 I hereby disassociate myself from Quentin Crisp.
but apparently you are right.
They better make sure she never has to worry about anything ever again. Money, housing, taxes, all of it paid by them. Half her life just gone.
She was about 20 or so when this occurred. The stress and toll incarceration takes on a person, in this case 43 years. Putting her at about 63 to 65 years old. She, sadly, probably doesn't have another 20 years left.
And medical care and counseling.
And the Missouri AG wants to add to her misery with an appeal arguing in essense that she got in a fight with a prison worker in '96 and therefore must be guilty 🤬
If you have to go back in time 28 years to find a reason to keep this woman locked up, you're kind of pathetic.
@@ianbattles7290 Yep, and it shows that the State knows they don't have evidence to support a retrial!
Bailey is an embarrassment to Missouri. He's not elected. He was appointed to replace his predecessor.
I would argue fruit of the poisonous tree. Had she not been falsely imprisoned, she wouldn't have been in that situation.
She'd better be one of the ones who receive enormous financial compensation.
Capital Punishment sentences also have more avenues for appeal than life sentences.
I’m not a lawyer but if a judge finds that you’re actually innocent wouldn’t that preclude another trial. Hasn’t jeopardy been attached?
Waiting 30 days is just a sharp stick in the eye from an abusive govt.
Should be 86 million in her pocket immediately. Anyone wrongly imprisoned Should be handed 2 million per year.
Some states don't allow reparations to wrongly imprisoned people. I don't know if Missouri is one of those but I wouldn't be surprised.
Millions of dollars would help, but won’t even come close to fixing 46 years lost.
@@Citizen_GE it probably varies. There's one state (I forget which, but it was a southern state) that passed a law that basically said anyone with prior convictions (that weren't overturned) isn't eligible to sue the state for wrongful imprisonment, which was heavily criticized by a ton of people after it was passed.
What do you even DO with your 'freedom' after spending 43 yrs imprisoned? Theworld has changed so m7ch she'll be incapable of reint8grating. I hope this release accompanies a huge settlement, & a great many social services 😡
agree fully
When she gets justice, they'll call her a criminal with a history.
Another judge that needs the unalive sentence
most likely long and dead
Judges wouldn't be so willing to hand down the death penalty if they would lose their own life for being wrong.
@@ianbattles7290 juries vote for death sentence not judges
Yeah, I recall hearing that the Innocence project estimates that up to 20 some odd percent of criminal convictions are of innocent people.
And 60% of that 20% are falsely imprisoned due to prosecutorial misconduct and/or malicious prosecution.
So, that means 12% of incarcerated people are in prison because the prosecutor was grossly incompetent, the prosecutor wanted to “win” the case to benefit their own career progression or the prosecutor was abusing their position to get revenge or some other malevolent motive.
Nothing will be done to the evil freaks that did this to her. I wonder what her net worth was during her original trial. One other thought, isn't there a man still in prison even though he's actually innocent because there is no provision in the law to free him? I remember something about that separate outrage a couple years ago. So much for actual innocence.
Watch, they'll offer her a 25% off coupon to Starbucks as compensation.
What a joke and a mockery. How many people like this have been abused with no accountability. No justice.
The problem with the system is that the DA sees his/her job as pursuing conviction, the defense lawyer sees the job as requiring acquittal, and nobody sees the job as seeking the truth and justice. Don't say it's the judge's job, because s/he is there mostly to rule on points of law. Furthermore, to prove how inadequate the system of "justice" is, consider the fact that if you replace either one or both of the attorneys of the trial, and/or members of the jury, the verdict may change, even though the facts of the case are constant.
The first step towards correcting the inadequacies is to start evaluating the merit of DA by whether truth was established, rather than by whether the case was won or lost. Also, in theory, instead of a jury of our peers, a panel of experienced judges with proven knowledge of the law should yield greater consistency in verdicts. However, this would require judges who are able to abandon their own personal prejudices, and given recent revelations related to the SCOTUS, this may be easier said than done.
waiting another 30 days after the judgement is crazy. Get her out of their.
Apparently she had accepted a plea deal. The prosecutor got that thrown out. Just so he could throw the death penalty at her in a 1 day trial.
Didn’t the scotus say that actual innocents is not grounds to release her?
Only if the accused used up all their appeals while in prison, before being able to prove their innocence.
Deep state has been around a while.
Shinn v. Ramirez
That's a limit on federal habeas corpus but most States have post-conviction relief statutes that can be used. The Supreme Court overruled 100 year old precedent about that in one of its most disgusting decisions in years.
I remember that one, too!
and yet she is still in jail!!! she has to wait to see if the same idiot office that prosecuted her wants to re-file charges again.
I believe the local DA doesn't want to retry, but the AG does.
Confessions should meet the same cognitive requirement as signing a medical/surgical procedure consult or legal document.
As a forty three year old, that's wild.
How do they give this woman her life back?
You are correct, there's no way they can really makeup for losing the prime years of her life. However, this is a perfect example for not having a death penalty because whatever life she has left at least there can be some restitution made.
@@kenyattaclay7666Exactly. One of many reasons to be against the death penalty. Our system of law is not good enough to hand out death.
Giving her a really nice kitchen and laundry room.
A billion dollars ; tax free ; taken from the lawyers & police salaries ; is a start . This trash has to be stopped .
And the equally tragic even the murderer will never be punished.
The murderer already attended his court case when he died. Literally the highest court presided by God.
He died in prison for other crimes, so same effect. But that does nothing to make up for this woman losing 43 years of her life.
Witness statements and confessions should not be enough to jail a person. Evidence in support of, and no evidence against, should be required to rob someone of their future. Yes, this would mean the guilty can walk free. But this is preferable to the innocent being jailed. And when it's a government agent (cop, judge, prosecutor, politician, etc) that intentionally set you up or railroaded you, that agent should be jailed for the full max sentence you were at risk of getting.
No amount of money can make that woman whole again.
Any reasonable doubt means no conviction is what you are saying, but jurors are stupid and want to believe the cops.
Boy does the state owe her big time. 43 years. they should pay her 43 million dollars.
Omg! You’re absolutely correct! After the first 4 years, the dirt DOESN’T get any worse! 😂😂😂
IKR? I've got dust bunnies that are going gray! 🤣
The real predators are the ones wearing the tiny toy shields.
They demand accountability from you and I, but then they turn around and hide behind qualified immunity
Rule 308 cares nothing for your qualified immunity.
@@frankney8284 it is "Rule 303" because that is a quote from a country controlled by the British.
How the world has changed in 43 years
With our current justice system, I wouldn’t be surprised if the state sent this woman a bill for room and board for the past 43 years.
I hope she gets a lifetime of compensation .
Jurors don't even know what "reasonable doubt" means.
Within 30 days?????¿?? What the ..... is wrong with the judge.
A finding of actual innocence should include dismissal with prejudice.
"Must be freed".... ? If she's innocent, the judge should have ordered immediate release. Why keep someone innocent behind bars a day beyond the judgement?
Because they can ; is their mindset .
10,000,000 in compensation.