How to Become a Pro Gem Buyer with Spessartite [Gem Buyer's Guide]
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- čas přidán 9. 09. 2024
- If you plan to do more than dabble and play in gemstones, you’ll need to cultivate connoisseurship. How can we get there, without a pound of flesh? Experience and knowledge comes through practice, and in this video we talk about a clear path of how you can cultivate that knowledge and experience and invest wisely.
There is a companion article for this video that delves more deeply on my website at: gemshepherd.co...
Those looking to contact me or inquire further about sourcing gemstones etc are welcome to contact me directly through the website as well.
After attending my first gem show, I will say that the colors and clarity you are offering are indeed rare, and valuable. I saw maybe 12 pieces of the mineral, none over 2 CT, 5 or 6 were the bright orange mandarin. All were commanding a premium. Even the more red and brown samples. Thank you for making me aware of this stone, and it's value, as well as making it available for a great price point. They really do stand out.
Thank you for your continued support. I feel like when we get to see stones in person, they speak for themselves. The problem is getting enough people to see them in person in the first place. If we do our jobs right, more people will get that chance.
@@GemologyforSchmucks You're welcome. I agree, and that's why I try to wear example stones whenever possible. "ooh, that's pretty! What is it?" Gives me a chance to showcase the stone, and explain why they should consider buying 1 or 2.
Spessartite is awesome. It looks so bright, and fresh, and happy.
It is indeed. The deeper brown/reds look a lil' musty for me, but that could be prejudice speaking.
This was such an informative video! I had no idea that mandarin garnet was my favorite gemstone, until I encountered it for the first time in a jewelry store on vacation. It had that "fanta" color and I was so struck by it, even though I had never heard of mandarin garnet before. It was so cool to learn more about it!
#yes Thank you Heidi. It's a stone I really neeeeed to make a better stock of myself. I sold a piece and put it in the mail and my soul was like: "But what??? why is it leaving???!" Glad you enjoyed~
I have an orange red spessartite 3 stone ring & it is just stunning. It is fascinating to see all the orange flashes when the sun hits the stones! Like an aurora red orange
Definitely a captivating stone ~
do you have a video of that?
Hey I just came across your channel and love this video! Definitely subbed up and I can't wait to watch the other vids, wishing you the best :D
Splendid to hear Derrick ~ See you around, and may my videos be of service to you.
Indeed, another beautiful example of Garnet. I’ve got a rough chunk which is brown orange and red in colour, I’m edging on it to be Rhodolite Garnet. It’s in its natural form (which gives it unique character) and does look beautiful. Great video. Thank you Peter.
Thanks Roger. On your stone, typically with garnet identification, we base the determination on a combination of the RI with the colour and observable spectra. If your stone is brown orange, the first thing i'd reach for would be a spectroscope. If I saw a spessartite spectrum (often you'll also see the almandine/rhodolite spectrum too) then we just call it spessartite out of hand. There is too much inter-growth of the garnet cousins to split hairs more than that.
@@GemologyforSchmucks - thanks Peter. It weighs in at 21 grams so I don’t know really how to tell as it’s chunky. The guy said it was Painite, I said no it’s not it’s Garnet, so I bought it for £12 anyway just because it looks pretty. I’ll e-mail you a photograph of it Peter. Thanks, Rog.
I’ve always been partial to garnets - any color - it’s my birthstone. This was very informative and I enjoyed listening to you. It was distracting that commercial messages have been added. Usually I click off when they come up, but with Gemology For Schmucks I have to make an exception.
I'm honoured that you make an exception for my content!~
@@GemologyforSchmucks that made me laugh. Thanks.
One of my favourite stones! Thank you for teaching me what to look for.
My pleasure to serve, Ingeborg ~ I cant get enough of it XD
thank you for your video. this is helpful and straight to the point
My pleasure ~ glad to be of service.
Peter might soon have a restraining order against me....thinking that I am obsessed with him (ahem... his videos) and stalking him! :) :D The guy is a treasure trove of information; Peter for President!!
hah! Glorious. I appreciate all the attention #desperate XD Glad you are enjoying my content, Nikhil.
I went to an Oscar Heyman trunk show a few years ago and I saw the most amazing, massive (~15 carats) spessartite garnet and diamond ring. The baguette diamonds were exceptionally long, radiating from the garnet like rays from the sun, and the ring was just stupid awesome. Of course, I asked the price and it was a mere $168k! Of course it was an Oscar Heyman...
wowzas ~ i'd love to see that spessartite. The value of stones is an amazing topic to think about. The value of a name is another ;)
@@GemologyforSchmucks So true! Love your channel, BTW. :-)
Excellent commentary...OK you convinced me i should aquire a "quality" Spessarite...I already got a lesser quality one which i enjoy. I wonder how a nice one will interact with my psyche ( or psycho ?)
Let's chat about it~
Loved this video..💖 I am from Srilanka..
I am glad you enjoyed this video ~ I hope to come to Sri Lanka when the world calms down and borders open up again.
@@GemologyforSchmucks Ohh That will be great.. Hope I will get to meet you on your visit to Srilanka.. Have to learn many things from you..❤😇
More spessartine videos please!
There are a few - have you seen the most recent one from a few months back?
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Oh my gosh! I lost it when you said, "But you can tell me" que cheesy grin and finger crack. You make me remember your content. I learned in this video about a gemstone I have not heard of before, definitions on eye clean, loop clean, reinforced stone identification with inclusions, and much else. The "ol schmuckometer 5000 needle moved a little down the scale again but still solid in the schmuck meister range or is it schmo ? LOL I'll keep watching.
HAH~ Glad you enjoyed it also. One of the things I value about this channel is that my jokes get to live on for as long as people enjoy my content. A joke I told last year may serve to bring you joy today, and that kindles a fire in my heart. Cheers Trevor
Don't change keep your humor and only criticism I have is you don't have a single gay twin brother. Great amazing textbook I was expanding my reference library and it retails $300.00 but Amazon I bought a brand new copy missing dust jacket for $6 with shipping " Color encyclopedia of gemstones" by Reinhold, normally I like Antoinette Matlins reference books but this is laid out in sections of specific gravity, retractive indexes, etc plus defining so many in categories and just an amazing reference to add. Would you please do a video on biasterism, and other rare unknown forms of gem phenomenon, please, also I know you have work in field buying selling to do. I want daily videos from you.
Aw thanks~ and yes, 2nd hand books are excellent. I like to support authors, but sometimes it's better value to find books that have been orphaned.
Thanks for your video. Would be nice to see more pictures of gemstones 😙
I will try ~ It is difficult to get many pictures of many excellent stones. The truly rare are covetously guarded ^_^
I found mine on a street and got it valued by a local expert and its over 10 carat n very expensive. I'm keeping it for now
On a street in Chantaburi? I kid, I kid. Sometimes miracles do happen eh?
@@GemologyforSchmucks no in scrap yard in a box a loose stone without a ring or pendant. I guess someone accidentally threw some house rubbish away.
@@user-bo9rp4ht5r the scandal ~ ah whell. As they say: one's trash is another's treasure. Never quite so true, it seems.
@@GemologyforSchmucks will upload the gem video soon
If you were to choose between spessartines and blue topaz- which one would want as an investment or happy to wear it? Just happy to know-thank you
Spessartine, 10,000%, on both questions. When you see literal kilos of blue topaz, it's easy to grow to hate it. I choose to invest in stones that I know to be rare in the market, which is why I collect certain varieties and qualities of spessartine.
One of my Favorites. Funny story. I was watching a TV gem channel. They had this gorgeous orange garnet they called "Tulluli" garnet. It was nearly dbl the price per ct. WOW ! never heard of it. It must be special. I had to find out. So I did some digging.
Come to find out it is a common spessartine. But where its mined the natives had no word for "orange" so they called this orange rock "Tululli".
The gem channel gave it a fancy name, charging TV customers dbl what it should be.
This is a perfect example of how arcane the gem trade can be. Something that a gemologist or minerologist may just call: cryptocrystalline quartz can have a few dozen names (jasper, agate, chalcedony, onyx, gem silica, aquaprase.......) depending on the colour, transparency and certain patterning etc. Its both a pain and a genuine delight depending on whether or not you've had coffee yet that day and or are in an artistic mood XD.
Price is also a weird thing, because just as with any other trade, there is a pipeline of how products are curated and transported to final consumers. Most end customers have no idea what a top quality stone is, so there is often a need for someone to be inbetween a miner and the end customer to pick and choose from the hypercommon rubbish to find those genuinely special pieces. To me... thats a value added service, and deserves the price of the service. Hopefully my channel will serve to educate consumers so that they can recognize the special, beautiful and rare on their own and they can get the best value for their gems.
Another fun factoid for the linguists in the room ~ many of the names that we use for gemstones come from ancient languages. Even in a language like Chinese, which imports foreign words very poorly, so they mostly translate concepts rather than using a loan word, the word for "emerald" is a loan word from one of the old Afghan words for emerald (aka Old Persian) in Pashtu emerald is Zumurud and Mandarin 祖母绿 zǔ mǔ lù. What a wild wild world we live in~!
@@GemologyforSchmucks I felt it was a bit dishonest. Esp a reputable Co. It stained their reputation in my eyes.
The metaphysics ppl are Constantly making up new names for common minerals to turn a extra $. Misrepresenting Sims as newly discovered minerals. 🤪😆
If a pc of rose quartz makes someone feel better( mentally), helps gets their life together etc? I'm all for it.
Those silly agate lovers. Gotta love em. They ve got more names for agates/ jaspers. Turkey tail peacock, bumble bee, grape agate..... ROTF.
Its marketing. I get it.
The GIA has gotten in to it to some extent. I don't think thats their job. For few extra $, they'll put "pigeons blood" on a report. Leave that to the dealers/ jewelers.
The ancients loved gemstones. I've been researching biblical gemstones. Supposedly David had 12 diff color garnets on his shield, for 12 tribes. Theres no clear records of color or what they were. If at all. Theres a guy in Tx who has a really neat cut. It has star of David in the cullet. I've made/ sold several pcs.
Another friend has awesome mineral collection. He mines Benitoite in CA W Schrimp. Check him out.
"Padparadscha" I understand from Bhagavad Gita loosely translates to the pink of lotus & sun rise on Bengali(??) bay. Any records have long been destroyed.
Vera Wangs line looks very similar to ancient Egyptian pcs at Smithsonian. Right down to her signature sapphire under the setting.
I wish I was a bit younger. There's so much to learn. Geology, mineralogy, history.
@@roberttyrrell2250 So much to learn indeed~ and thats why I chose to get into this world - I like me some knowledge.
Ouuu i love that color
As do I. Didn't even know I was obsessed with orange before spessartite. Turns out it was latent XD
This is literally the first time I’ve heard someone break it down. I have a couple that were given to me. I had half of them faceted. OMG wow! Mind blowing cool! Now I have 4 eye clean, I think, really cool orange garnets. That leads to my question. Should I have them papered? Would that be a good idea or a waste of money?
Glad it has been helpful for you. As to having reports made for them etc, that depends on your goal. If you're looking to sell them, 3rd party identification of gemstones often gives people a lot more confidence to buy. If you're not looking to sell them in the short term, I don't think it's necessary by any means. I don't get reports on all of the stones I collect as long as I am confident of their identity and treatment status. If my clients require additional documentation, it's straightforward to get the lab report that they prefer. The big question in your case is how certain are you that they are spessartite as opposed to hessonite garnet? Both can look similarly, but hessonite is quite a bit more common and generally a lower price point. Someone who can use a gem spectroscope competently should be able to tell you quickly.
I need to know more about the Arora, or imperial variety. Those more red orange samples. Are they more common? Do they still command a premium?
Those are trade terms that are not really used in BKK, so I'm wondering which company is trying to spice up their marketing game. As far as I am concerned, Fanta is the only real name that commands any respect locally, and unfortunately its too often abused by sellers to mean much. I'd trust your eyes.
Smokey quarts matches my girlfriends eyes. That’s a brown gemstone, and is very attractive on darker skin tones as well
I welcome everyone to go for the stones they find most beautiful and fitting.
I’m registered gem business man from Sri Lanka, I have a sapphire, can you help me to way how to find buyers
Congratulations on having a registered business and setting out on this adventure. Market building and client service are the responsibility of the business itself, so I wish you the best of luck as you learn how to best cultivate your clientele and serve your clients.
Hi Peter! I have a stone that looks like that Mandarine Garnet, but not really sure. I was thinking it's cetrine. How will you differentiate between Cetrine and Mandarine Garnet?
Mandarin garnets (spessartite) has a distinctive spectrum when viewed with a spectroscope.
Dude yeah no inclusions at all make me super uncomfortable
Right?! Its like saying you want the perfect significant other with none of that… “personality”…. Stuff.
Is spessartite can be found in Namibia?
I've heard of spessartite from Namibia, yes, though most of the current supply is from Nigeria.
Whats an acceptable profit margin from wholesale to retail? I feel like it can be pretty big but i dont want to be unethical
It doesn't matter what the price is from wholesale to retail price!
A gem is a gem 💎 and MANDARIN ORANGE GARNET IS ONE OF A KIND!
ITS WORTH A VERY FINE PRICE TAG!
DON'T ASK DUMB ASS QUESTION'S AND DUMB DOWN THE VALUES OF THE GARNET GEM! PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE ONE'S THAT RUIN IT ALL FOR EVERYONE!
ITS VALUE DEPENDING ON HUE AND COLOR LIGHTNESS OR DARKNESS EVEN IN A ROUGH STATE RUN'S ABOUT 365$ A CARAT.... ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE A FAMILY OF CLUSTERS OR (SLAB)
CAUSE THE SLAB IT GROWS AND HAS GROWN ON IS ACTUALLY MICROSPHERES AND ITS MICROSCOPIC GARNET UNDER PRESSURE THAT IS OR WAS GROWING UPON THE ROCK AND IN THE ROCK!
A STANDARD SPESSARTITE OR MANDARIN ORANGE GARNET AND ESPECIALLY IF IT HAS SOME RED IN IT QUALIFIES AND IS QUALIFIED UNDER A MUKTI COLOR AND COLOR CHANGING GEM STONE CLASS WHICH MAKES IT EVEN MORE RARE!
DONT LET THESE DUMMIES TELL YOU DIFFERENT!
A FINE TUNED MANDARIN ORANGE GARNET GEM THAT IS AROUND 2-3 CARATS SHOULD RUN SOMEONE ABOUT 3400$
ROUGH AND UNTOUCHED AND PULLED OF THE ROCK 🪨 JUST SITTING NATURALLY 2 CARATS SHOULD RUN SOMEONE (AND REMEMBER BASED ON THE COLORS YOU CAN GET OUT IF IT) WHICH IS SEEN WITH THE NAKED EYE SHOULD VARY FROM 800$- 1200$ A CARAT
So how much Ethereum do these physical NFTs cost? Are there price charts? =D
Howdy John,
As stocks change wildly, so do cryptos eh? Current prices fluxuate and it goes beyond the scope of a youtube video. Ethereum isn't something I have a strong read on, so i'd have to relay you to a crypto expert, but if you'd like to talk about how much spessartite is for a given quality, I'd be happy to give you the up to date information that I have. Email me at thegemshepherd@gmail.com and we can talk about what may be a good fit for you.
@@GemologyforSchmucks Hi, thanks for the response. I'm just browsing some of your videos for now, thinking about starting a small collection / investing. If I make it big in crypto I'll shoot you an email. Not counting my eggs before they're hatched though, just doing research. :)
@@johnsmithe4656 Prudence is respectable. Measurable goals are also worthy. If you like, shoot me an email and we can talk about where your goals might be and what it can look like. No stress or strings.
thegemshepherd@gmail.com
Speasartite hesanite ( sallitite meaning moneytite).
🙂
I thought the correct term was Spessertine not spessertite
The terms are used interchangeably in the trade and no one can seem to agree which is "correct." Especially with stones that have such a limited historical background, the answers are less cut and dry.
Well how much would it be worth?
Which one? There are so many stones and so many values. Part of the difficulty of putting prices in videos is: if I put a price tag, I have to take down the video when it becomes inaccurate. If I put ideas, I can leave it forever and everyone can learn the concept if they have ears to listen. If you'd like to talk about a particular quality, i'd be happy to discuss it with you. Drop me an email if you'd like, at :
thegemshepherd@gmail.com
sir how are you
Praise be, I am well. How are you, Sarath?
လှပတောက်ပနေသောသင်၏ရတနာများကြည်လိုကောင်သည်
Thank you ~ your nation has so many wonderful gems aswell.
Hi
Hallo Richard~
Szmaks, you're a gemstone expert - I respect that and that's why I'm watching you. But don't comment on other cosmic civilizations because you are just a noob in this topic
Hy. Recently I have discovered a good 2 pieces matrix of spessartine do you look this please and help me to decision
If you believe that they are good as you've said, then you have enough information to make your decision.