Jesus Was Not Born in a Barn or Stable but a House
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- What evidence strongly suggests that Jesus was born inside a Jewish home in Bethlehem, not a stable? Why was it necessary for Mary to be with Joseph to be registered? Were shepherds (as we often are told) looked down upon as untrustworthy in the 1st century? What is the significance of the manger? No animals are mentioned at Jesus' birth, so why is it common for an ox or donkey to be pictured there? These and other questions, Chad Bird will address in this week's Christmas edition of "Reading the Gospels through Hebrew Eyes," on Luke 2:1-14.
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As always you bring clarity to the Gospels using your extensive knowledge of the OT. Thanks again Chad and wishing you and your family a very Blessed and Holy Christmas season.
I’m sending you to all of my Bible study friends. We’ll get you subscribed! More people need to hear your studies. Really appreciate you and your channel. Keep making the Shorts, that’s how I found you.
Wow, thank you!
Thank you Chad and the peace of the season be with you and your family and to all who listen to your videos.
21:00 THIS PREACHES SO WELL!!!
One thing that I thought of this year that I've never thought of, are the possible parallels between Moses and the shepherds. Both were shepherds. The angel of the Lord appeared to both. And the glory of the Lord appeared to both. And just like when the Lord appeared to Moses, now the angel of the Lord is letting the shepherds know that he's up to something big.
Do you think Luke wanted us to see any connections between these shepherds and Moses and the burning bush?
Yes, I think so. Thank you for these additional insights!
And has the story of Moses reached you? -
When he saw a fire and said to his family, "Stay here; indeed, I have perceived a fire; perhaps I can bring you a torch or find at the fire some guidance."
And when he came to it, he was called, "O Moses,
Indeed, I AM your rabb (Lord), so remove your sandals. Indeed, you are in the sacred valley of Tuwa.
And I have chosen you, so listen to what is revealed [to you].
Indeed, I AM Allah . There is no ilah (deity/god) except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance.
(Al-Quran translation 20: 9- 14)
*and Moses did not see God.
فِي الْبَدْءِ خَلَقَ اللهُ (Allah) السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ
According to arabic translations of the bible that you can find online, Allah (الله ) is the Creator of the heavens and the earth in Genesis 1: 1
Indeed, your rabb (Lord) is Allah, who created the heavens and earth ...
(Al-Quran translation 7: 54)
Aalaha or Alaha refers to God in Aramaic.
Aramaic is a semitic language having similarities with Hebrew and Arabic.
20 وَتَكَلَّمَ اللهُ بِكُلِّ هَذَا الكَلَامِ فَقَالَ:
2 «أنَا إلَهُكَ الَّذِي أخْرَجَكَ مِنْ أرْضِ مِصْرٍ، مِنْ بَيْتِ العُبُودِيَّةِ.
3 «لَا تَعْبُدْ آلِهَةً أُخْرَى مَعِي.
Exodus 20: 1-3
21st Century KJV
1 And God* spoke all these words, saying:
2 “I am the Lord thy God**, who have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 “Thou shalt have no other gods*** before Me.
This is the foremost of commandments.
* in arabic translation, the word used is Allah (الله)
** in arabic translation, the word used is ilah (إله)
*** in arabic translation, the word used is aliha (الهة)
The word ilah (إله) means a deity or a god.
The word ilah is singular and indefinite.
The word ilah refers to one that is prayed to and worshipped.
Plural for ilah is aliha meaning deities or gods.
The word Allah (الله) refers to the one and only true ilah.
The word Allah is singular and definite.
The ultimate statement of truth is :
La ilaha illa Allah
meaning
There is no ilah except Allah.
Taking Jesus as a deity or God is against the foremost of commandments.
Allah - there is no ilah (deity/god) except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence...
(Al-Quran 2:255)
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But Allah bears witness to that which He has revealed to you. He has sent it down with His knowledge, and the angels bear witness [as well]. And sufficient is Allah as Witness.
(Al-Quran 4: 166)
Allah witnesses that there is no ilah (deity/god) except Him, and [so do] the angels and those of knowledge, maintaining [creation] in justice. There is no ilah (deity/god) except Him, the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
(Al-Quran 3: 18)
Peace brothers.
Very insightful, thank you. Merry Christmas.
thanks Chad.
Great video ☀️ thank you! Blessings and Merry Christmas.
God Bless.
Great teaching🙏🏽❤🔥. Thank you so much.
I have heard all these stories before, however you have a very good way of explaining them 🙏.Thank you
Peace... completeness! 💓
Appreciated your discussion of misconceptions surrounding the κατάλυμα and the nature of the shepherds. You steered me in the right direction and you do an amazing job - thank you. Much is left unsaid - like Mary, "we ponder all these things in our hearts".
While you speculate that Mary went with Joseph to Bethlehem because she knew the baby must be born in Bethlehem, you don't directly address how "a baby lying in a manger wrapped in swaddling clothes" might be a 'sign' to the shepherds. Whether the κατάλυμα was full because of a festival or to be registered, a pregnant mother giving birth might be a joyous but messy event in a crowded room. As such, a baby born in a house-stable could not be unusual and swaddling is common. As you indicate, the noteworthy action takes place in the pasture.
When considering shepherds, even the most common ones had considerable responsibility. We note that every "first born male lamb or goat" is already dedicated to the Lord and requires sacrifice or "buy back". As such, all shepherds must pay attention to which lambs are "first born males" and lack imperfections. No doubt breeding and delivery of sheep and goats for the sacrificial system was big business - they would know the requirements for תמיד (tamid) and פסח (pesach). It's possible that not all shepherds were beyond reproach and a system which caused Jesus to call the money changers a "den of thieves" could have problems.
All the people means all the elect of god in all the world and not every single person if we compare scripture which we are suppose to do when we compare spiritual things. Many will not be saved that think they are saved and the ones that are saved are saved by the faith of Christ and this is a gift they do not deserve.
If Jesus was born in the bottom of the house or feeding troth, please explain the next verse that said the sheppards were in the field. How were they aware of this birth if Jesus was inside yet the sheppards were in the field?
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the shepherds were told to find the child in a manger.
So they knew it had to be where people were living and keeping animals that were kept by feeding in a manger....not the animals that were kept in the field like their sheep.
So they means the shepherds had to go looking for where such animals were being raised.
Now....they knew what city to go to...
so it would not be that hard to find a place where animals were kept that still had the lights on.
My guess would be that Jesus was born with the animals that were guests at the inn....
Thankyou for your exposition. I think the most important comment that you make, is when you say that, peace comes only now that God is well pleased with man, and therefore will not destroy man, is because mankind can be and must be in Christ, and totally conformed to God's will in Christ. That being good even is not enough on its own. But God makes man totally obedient. So then He doesn't have to destroy them!. The confusion is the church preaches that God has saved us when in fact many have not taken on Christ into their hearts nor been conformed to God's will. But the reconciliation comes when, specifically when, we have been changed completely, to be totally in God's will to the same point of dedication and compliance at which Christ is. Only then are we pleasing to God!, and accepted by God, and then adopted as sons and daughters, and then we can go on, in the implied obedience and same will and power and like mindedness of Christ, from one glory to another. Used by God to bring about light and glory thus bringing others into this change, of sowing towards the light, and reaping into our souls light in this way. So, the bread of heaven touches our souls, and we live and move and have our being in doing everything that pleases God, no longer living in darkness, or a diminished capacity, that cannot see spiritual success. We become partakers of light, instead of darkness, and reap light leading to everlasting life, now accepted in the Son. And thereby avoid destruction from God. Because God does not compromise, but has set a stumbling stone. Upon which the modern world stumbles, does not live up to God's shown standards and expectations of behaviour, that would please the Lord.
"But God makes man totally obedient. ... We become partakers of light, instead of darkness..." Beautiful.
Jesus was probably born in 7 b c which was a jubilee year and on the 10th day of the 7th month when liberty was proclaimed and this is probably why there was no room since the great feast was coming up. The day of small things is probably the day Jesus was born and Mary could not be with her husband until after the days of her purification which i think was 40 days for this time.
Thanks for the teaching.
"Christmas" isn't taught in the Bible. The birth is of course.
Where, as far as the structure Jesus was born in, does not hold much importance in the Bible. What's more important is why, and how He was born. Also, I seriously doubt He was born in the winter time (December) That's my opinion anyway.
Thank you again brother Chad for such an enlightening presentation. Here are a few comments:
(9:22) You explain that Mary perhaps made the journey to Bethlehem for the practical reason of tax enrollment and so that she could fulfill prophecy that the Messiah would be born there.
(10:18) You explain that because Joseph was a descendent of David, Jesus therefore could meet the scriptural requirement of being a "son of David" from Bethlehem. I know that genealogy (whether biological or cultural) is beyond the scope of this historical discourse of barn or stable, and I have Googled to find the broader discussion of this quandary: Jesus was conceived in an immaculate process with no genetic lineage to Joseph. Mary would hopefully have been aware of scripture on the sina qua non of Bethlehem, and though females were not taught to the extent males were, still the Bethlehem connection was likely common knowledge by 4 or 5 BC approximately 400 years after the Torah's completion.
If birth in Bethlehem was scriptural imperative, much of the discussion of tax registration appears superfluous. Mary was in the final days of pregnancy, it was then or never if birth in Bethlehem was to fulfill biblical imperative. She was out of time. If we are going to speculate as we certainly must (and I very much appreciate your candid admission of speculation in your discourses), maybe we can do more with biblical context. Joseph was so distraught with birth of a child he did not father that an angel had to calm his intent "to divorce her quietly". (Matthew 1:18-2). Since both Mary and Joseph had been informed by angels that her child was to be the son of God, not the son of Joseph; and since their lives were tightly governed by Hebrew scripture, they both knew they had to get to Bethlehem before her labor commenced. The alternative was the non-fulfillment of scripture, and scripture was the foundation of Jesus' messianic status.
The bigger question, I think, is why "Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah" (Matthew 1:16) waited until the last minute to fulfill the scripture they knew had to be fulfilled. Tax registration could only have been purely coincidental, and indeed fortuitously so if the two of them desired a reason for that journey to obscure its true Godly purpose. Tax registration could not have been a motivation for the travel, but was the perfect cover for explaining to their family and neighbors why a very pregnant Mary was being put to the ordeal a rigorous three-day trip to Bethlehem.
Jesus was born in a Sukkah
He was born outdoor in an area close to a small creek and surrounded by palm trees...His mom Maryam was told by Allah,after birth, to eat (dates) and drink and put her heart at ease.
Quran, chapter 19, Maryam verse 26.
In Middle East there is no palm tree fruit in winter!
Allah (God/Dieu/Dios) knows the best
Thank you Hassan, and amen to "Allah (God/Dieu/Dios) knows the best".
As number of heresies. I can't listen to this anymore. A complete twisting of scripture into a pretzel.
@@stevelenores5637 When Christians use the word “heresy,” we refer to a teaching that puts one outside the Christian faith, such as denying the Trinity or the deity of Jesus. Don’t use sloppy and inaccurate language if you wish to disagree with my exegetical conclusions.
I do not believe Jesus was born on Christmas , sorry ! I believe he was born on one of God's appointed Moedims in Lev 23.
That’s fine. As long as we don’t judge one another with regard to the day that we celebrate it, there is no problem.
@@chadbird1517 I used to do Christmas In my youth, and early yrs of my life . Something changed , told me to do something different. So I did. I like you, been trying to study things from The Hebraic perspective , and I now try to live it. You have some good info by the way. Nah, I'm not going to judge. The fascination of my revelation is the more I study about the father , the more I realize I don't know !😂
Jesus was born.
God was not born.
Jesus has a mother.
God is only one and has no mother.
Mary prayed to the one God.
Mary did not pray to a baby she gave birth to and took care of.
Peace
Thanks for the comment, Aaron. Of course, as I'm sure you are aware, this has been a long-standing debate. Orthodox, creedal Christianity, in conformity with the Scriptures, disagrees with you. Jesus is fully divine and fully human, and thus truly called God. "My Lord and my God," as Thomas says to Jesus. To make this confession necessitates that we say that God was born, Mary is the mother of God, etc. If Jesus is not God, then we are all lost. Thanks be to the Father, however, that his Son is the GodMan.
@@chadbird1517
The Quran says otherwise.
The Quran is ensuing Revelation from God, as were the previous Revelations - the Torah that was given to Moses and the Injil (Gospel) that was given to Jesus.
As previous Revelations, the Quran came with warning mankind of their errors.
Peace brother.
O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger making clear to you much of what you used to conceal of the Scripture and overlooking much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book.
By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from darknesses into the light, by His permission, and guides them to a straight path.
They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary. Say, "Then who could prevent Allah at all if He had intended to destroy the Messiah, the son of Mary, or his mother or everyone on the earth?" And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them. He creates what He wills, and Allah is over all things competent.
But the Jews and the Christians say, "We are the children of Allah and His beloved." Say, "Then why does He punish you for your sins?" Rather, you are human beings from among those He has created. He forgives whom He wills, and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them, and to Him is the [final] destination.
O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger to make clear to you [the religion] after a period [of suspension] of messengers, lest you say, "There came not to us any bringer of good tidings or a warner." But there has come to you a bringer of good tidings and a warner. And Allah is over all things competent.
(Al-Quran translation 5: 15-19)
فِي الْبَدْءِ خَلَقَ اللهُ (Allah) السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ
According to arabic translations of the bible that you can find online, Allah (الله ) is the Creator of the heavens and the earth in Genesis 1: 1
Indeed, your rabb (Lord) is Allah, who created the heavens and earth ...
(Al-Quran translation 7: 54)
@@aaronharun1394H and your assuming what? The Quran is errorless?
@Richard Bussell
God is only one.
God is not one group of three.
God is not one family of one father and one son which God does not have.
God sent messengers.
God is not a messenger.
Jesus was a messenger from a long line of messengers that includes Noah, Abraham and Moses.
Messengers are chosen from men to convey message to men.
And We have already SENT Noah and Abraham and placed in their descendants prophethood and scripture; and among them is he who is guided, but many of them are defiantly disobedient.
Then We SENT following their footsteps Our messengers and followed [them] with Jesus, the son of Mary, and gave him the Injil (Gospel).
(Al-Quran 57: 26-27)
Then We SENT after them Moses with Our signs to Pharaoh and his establishment, but they were unjust toward them. So see how was the end of the corrupters.
And Moses said, O Pharaoh, I am a messenger from the Lord of the worlds
Obligated not to say about Allah except the truth. I have come to you with clear evidence from your Lord, so send with me the Children of Israel.
(Al-Quran 7: 103-105)
And We did certainly give Moses the Torah and followed up after him with messengers.
(Al-Quran 2: 87)
The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth.
(Al-Quran 5: 75)
Their messengers said to them, "We are only men like you, but Allah confers favor upon whom He wills of His servants. It has never been for us to bring you evidence except by permission of Allah . And upon Allah let the believers rely.
(Al-Quran 14: 11)
God sent Jesus.
God is not Jesus.
Allah chooses from the angels, messengers and from men.
Surely, Allah is All-Hearing, All-Seeing.
(Al-Quran 22: 75)
There are angel messengers
He sends down the angels, with the inspiration of His command, upon whom He wills of His servants, "Warn that there is no ilah (deity/god) except Me; so fear Me."
(Al-Quran 16: 2)
Angel Gabriel is referred to as The Spirit.
And mention, in AlKitab (the Book), Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place toward the east.
And she took, in seclusion from them, a screen. Then We sent to her Our Spirit (Angel Gabriel), and he represented himself to her as a well-proportioned man.
She said, "Indeed, I seek refuge in the Most Merciful from you, [so leave me], if you should be fearing of Allah ."
He said, "I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy."
She said, "How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste?"
He said, "Thus [it will be]; your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed.'
(Al-Quran Translation/interpretation Chapter Mary/Maryam(19) : 16-21)
Gabriel identified himself to Mary as "the messenger of your Lord".
The story of Gabriel appearing before Mary(Maryam) to inform her about her future son (Jesus/Isa) is also mentioned in the gospels.
*Angels informing the coming of a newborn child is consistent with angels visiting Abraham and his wife informing them about their future son, Isaac and Jacob and an angel informing Zachariah about his future son, John (Yahya), both incidents mentioned in the current gospels and in the Quran.
Angel Gabriel (Jibril) is mentioned by name as the one who brought down the Quran to Prophet Muhammad:
Say, "Whoever is an enemy to Jibril (Gabriel) - it is he who has brought it (the Qur'an) down upon your heart, [O Muhammad], by permission of Allah, confirming that which was before it and as guidance and good tidings for the believers."
Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and His messengers and Jibril and Mikal (Michael) - then indeed, Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers.
(Al-Quran translation 2: 97-98)
The one who brought it down is also referred to as below:
And indeed, it (the Qur'an) is the revelation of the Lord of the worlds.
Has brought it down by Arruhul-amin (The Trustworthy Spirit)
(Al-Quran translation 26: 192-193)
Say, [O Muhammad], "ruhulQudus (spirit of the Holy) has brought it down from your rabb (Lord) in truth to make firm those who believe and as guidance and good tidings to the Muslims."
(Al-Quran translations 16: 102)
Ruh Al-Quddus is mentioned in the arabic Quran.
Ruh meaning spirit,
Al-Quddus is one of the names of God, meaning The Holy/ All-Holy/ All-Pure.
Angels have wings.
[All] praise is [due] to Allah, Creator of the heavens and the earth, [who] made the angels messengers having wings, two or three or four. He increases in creation what He wills. Indeed, Allah is over all things competent.
(Al-Quran 35: 1)
Who did Jesus actually see descending that is mentioned in the gospels.
[Gabriel said], "And we [angels] descend not except by the order of your Lord. To Him belongs that before us and that behind us and what is in between. And never is your Lord forgetful -
(Al-Quran 19: 64)
God sent angels.
God is not an angel.
It is not for a human [prophet] that Allah should give him the Scripture and authority and prophethood and then he would say to the people, "Be servants to me rather than Allah," rather, "be rabbaniyyun, because you are teaching the Book, and you are studying it."
Nor could he order you to take the angels and prophets as arbaban (lords). Would he order you to disbelief after you had been Muslims?
(Al-Quran 3: 79-80)
There are angel messengers
There are human messengers.
God is not an angel.
God is not a human.
God is only one.
God have no son.
God is not one third of three.
God is not a messenger.
God sent messengers.
Indeed, Allah is but one ilah (deity/god). Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
(Al-Quran 4: 171)
فِي الْبَدْءِ خَلَقَ اللهُ (Allah) السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ
According to arabic translations of the bible that you can find online, Allah (الله ) is the Creator of the heavens and the earth in Genesis 1: 1
Indeed, your rabb (Lord) is Allah, who created the heavens and earth ...
(Al-Quran translation 7: 54)
Alaha refers to God in aramaic.
Aramaic is a semitic language believed to be spoken by Jesus.
Semitic languages include hebrew and arabic and have similarities.
Peace.