What is the Difference between VFD and Soft Starter?
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In this video, we will look at the internal workings of the devices, how to determine which device you might want, and look at some applications to better understand these differences.
Let’s first talk about the internal working of the two devices. A typical three-phase soft starter uses six Thyristors or Silicon Controlled Rectifiers, oriented in an anti-parallel configuration to start the electric motors smoothly.
A Thyristor is made up of 3 parts; a logic gate, a Cathode, and Anode. When an internal pulse is applied to the gate it allows current to flow from Anode to Cathode which then sends current out to our motor.
When the internal pulses do not apply to the gate, the SCRs are in the OFF state and therefore they restrict the current to the motor.
These internal pulses limit the applied voltage to the motor slowing down inrush current. The pulses are sent based on ramp time so the current will be slowly applied to the motor.
The motor, attached to the soft starter, will start up at a nice smooth current and top out at the preset maximum speed.
The motor will stay at that speed until we stop the motor where the soft starter will ramp down the motor in a very similar way as the ramp up.
VFD’s have three main components, a Rectifier, a Filter and an Inverter.
The Rectifier acts like Diodes, takes the incoming AC voltage and changes it to DC voltage.
Next, the Filter uses Capacitors to clean the DC voltage making it a smoother incoming power.
Finally, the “Inverter” uses transistors to convert the DC voltage and sends the motor a frequency in Hertz.
This frequency drives the motor to a specific RPM. We can set the ramp up and down times just like in a soft starter.
So how do we know which device is needed for our application? The decision on which device you choose comes down to how much control your application requires.
If your application requires a large inrush of current but does not require speed control, then a soft starter is the best option.
If speed control is required, then a VFD is a must.
Also, the price can be a determining factor in a lot of real-world applications. Since a soft starter has fewer control features, the price is lower than a VFD.
And finally, if the size of our device is a determining factor, soft starters are generally smaller than most of the VFDs.
Let’s look at some real-world applications to help us see the difference between a VFD and a Soft Starter.
The application we will look at is a cooling fan. In this scenario, a cooling fan will turn on when the plant air temperature hits a high-temperature set-point.
Once the set-point is reached the cooling fan will slow down to maintain the air temperature unless it drops below a low-temperature setpoint, where it will shut off.
However, if the temperature continues to rise and pass the high-temperature setpoint, the fan will need to move faster.
Which device would work best in this situation? That’s right! A VFD would be better than a soft starter because the speed of the fan will need to vary.
If our scenario was only turning the fan on or off based on temperature and not changing speed, then a soft starter would be a better option.
In closing, a VFD and a Soft Starter can do similar functions when it comes to ramp up or down a motor.
The main difference between the two is a VFD that can vary the speed of a motor while a soft starter only controls the starting and stopping of that motor.
When faced with an application, price and size are in the favor of a soft starter.
A VFD is the better choice if speed control is required. The good news is that if an existing application has a soft starter in place and speed control is later determined to be a requirement, a VFD can easily replace a soft starter. The opposite is true as well, a soft starter can replace a VFD.
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As an engineer who has worked on industrial drives for various applications , this is the only channel which explains these concepts very effectively.
Keep sharing these knowledge and also would love if you could share the logic in which parameters are set in the control board.
That's a great compliment, Nikhil! Thanks a lot!
Can you tell me in chinese what is that ? thank you very much.
that is a great deal of knowledge, hence thank so much for your sharing this
Keep at it young man, you will never know it all (70 y/o still learning) look at syn RN motors on ABB website. Tessler was a clever bugger!
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One important thing to note here. When adding a VFD, in many times the motor will need to be replaced as well. The motor needs to be Inverter Duty rated to operate with a VFD. If you use a non-inverter duty motor it won't cause immediate damage but it will in the long run lessen the life of the motor quicker due to the harmonics which can damage the motor windings. I see it all the time in HVAC applications where they replace Vortex dampers by adding a VFD to control fan speed to duct static pressure and motors burning out after only a year or two. Ideally, if you replace an HOA or Soft Starter with VFD, make sure the motor is Inverter Duty and if not, the motor should be replaced as well.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us, Juan. We appreciate that!
Yep I told guy that they needed inverter rated motor instead of general duty motor for evaporator fan motor that burnt out after about two years from being run on VFD. He didn't believe me because said the engineer wouldn't have designed it if it didn't work. Next motor only lasted about same amount of time. Some people think if you're not a licensed engineer you don't know anything. Oh well because I've seen lots of things engineers designed that could of used the advice of a technician that's worked in real world for awhile.
Before you actually destroy the winding, bearings will be destroyed due to bearing currents. It may however not occur in water pump applications
Fact 💯,case harmonic filter's maybe prevent this issue?
How can you tell if a motor is inverter duty rated?😅 I had a water pump with a 1,5kw 3 phase motor and connected it to a vfd, it will be running at about 15hz constantly as it’s for aquarium use. The nameplate doesn’t reference anything specific 😢
These videos are really amazing, I'm a mechatronics student and a hobbyist and always try to rescale the instruments seen on the industrial area to a more home-friendly or toys applications, by watching how the industry works I can also learn to adapt my prototypes in a robust and straight-foward way. Thanks!!
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As a Technician this is a valuable information for me, explained in very simple way, subscribed the channel.
Awesome, thank you!
Excellent presentation. In addition, use of a VFD for a conveyor drive helps because we need max torque and low speed
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Thanks for showing video and your explainations.
I'm enrolled online for Automation, Robotics, and PLC and I have to say this is by far easier to understand. Thank you.
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VFD's are also great for power savings if you have long piping systems with low head pressure required, thus saving on friction losses with higher fluid velocities. One of my primary jobs for awhile was analyzing pumping systems to determine the feasibility of retrofitting VFD's using power savings to build a business case. Saved millions at a water utility company for both water and waste water systems
No studies required if we are talking about replacing any contactor/soft start with a VFD. The flexibility of a VFD is unparalleled and absolutely required for any control over a system. It can certainly improve power requirements in the long term but be sure to include a line reactor before the VFD it this is going to be heavily deployed. Harmonics can hurt a plants power factor immensely. A soft start is on and off, I would rarely recommend, only if that is its sole purpose.
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@@shearzy3152 Not necessarily. VFDs also have a much higher power loss. Also because I live in Australia they have a reduced lifespan due to high heat in summer when not airconditioned (though this was in 2012 so tech has probably improved on both fronts). Some waste water piping systems with short runs, high head don't have much energy saving through reducing fluid velocities. Sometimes a pump's performance curve is perfectly ideal for a particularly system with a soft starter so installing a VFD actually cost more in energy due to power losses. I did this work between 2008-2014 and I do data science now rather than electrical engineering so haven't actually seen VFDs for 8 years. Schneider was my prefered
@@deadspeedvthis right here. I am a Rotating Equipment Specialist for Oil/Gas. Mostly pumps. If the pump curve is ideal for the system then you can just run it, otherwise yeah VFD.
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Thanks for all of your educative videos! Please make some videos on AC ratings of motors and what is meant by SIL rating of PLCs. Thanks again!
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Keep in mind, depending on brand, some soft starters can only start a motor 2 times in an hour. Also, they reduce motor voltage on startup which causes them to draw VERY high amperage through the soft starter.
BEST EXPLANATION FOR VFD AND SOFT STARTERS, HANDS DOWN, THANK YOU,
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Thanks for getting it with so much of clarity
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Great video! Clear , concise and at a good level.
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Nice video explains about soft starter and VFD. Thank you for your clear explanation
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Back in the day, a soft start was used to reduce the current inrush to the motor for about a few seconds. They are still out there , especially for large direct drive compressors in the refrigeration and HVAC applications. Great video!, but I'm an old coot that rembers those days.
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Simplest way of explaining the difference between VFD and Soft Starter. Subscribed your channel
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Great simple explanation. I use VFDs with a pressure sensor on vacuum systems at tunnel car washes. As more people use the hoses the system ramps up. Saves money for the owners and wear and tear on the producer and motor.
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Very informative. Process Control engineer from Kenya. Keep up!
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Thanks giving is deserved to you in abundance sir.Because you prove "and motivate meeks and weaks into professionalsprofessionally that "Knowledge is to serve
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Very cool. Very well explained, I would like to congratulate you for the initiative.
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Thank you for this clear & simple explanation😍
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Simple and very clear explanation. Thank you 😊.
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome video! I will just comment on one point to clarify. @1:03 - "A soft starter is generally used in applications where there is a large inrush of current that could damage a motor" The arrow appears to come from the electrical grid into the motor. It is the motor that creates this inrush (drawing on the grid) and as a result can have adverse affect on the electrical grid and other equipment (like a voltage drop dimming the lights). Soft starters are used to protect the integrity / strength of the grid voltage, avoiding dips during motor starting. Soft starters are horrible for motors if starting under any loaded conditions, this is because the torque generated by the motor when operated on a soft start is a squared function of the voltage drop. 50% drop in voltage to start the motor means 25% available rated torque! A 'no load' or 'reduced load' condition would be okay but needs to be reviewed.
Both VFD and Soft Starts can be used to protect the grid strength, just a difference in how they do it. Thanks for the video!
Thank you for your comments. It is the motor demand that causes the inrush of current when the motor starts, unless a VFD or soft starter is used to limit the inrush current. When designing a motor control system (starter type, motor type and size, motor protection, etc.), the entire installation environment must be analyzed. How much load on start? Load on stop? Torque requirements? Horsepower requirements? Is speed regulation required? Answering these questions and applying the correct devices will provide for long motor life.
We use soft starters to start pumps slowly to protect PCV piping from breaking.
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Great video thank you for sharing knowledge with us. Good continuation for next.
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I am from India and I really impressed with your explanation style very easy to understand
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Simple & Easy way of Explanation. Thanks
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thanks for this video, you just closed safely an argument between me and my manager on some simple application which i decided it'd need only a soft starter but he said it needs a VFD with MC 😁😁😁, i win only by your video, thank you.
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Some just prefer VFD on everything. Meh... I see a lot of our pumps, conveyors, separators going to VFD's. Yep believe it or not we still have some Alpha Laval separators still on wye/delta starters :)
@@galyien I'm one of those who like to cut expenses, most of motor driven applications just need start/ stop ramps, overload protection, and that's existing by default in soft starters which are way cheaper than VFD's
Clearly explained the difference between VFD & SS and its usage.. Thanks
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Very formal and very easy to follow. English isnt my main language, but listening to the very calm and easy to hear voice, and looking at the pictures and examples REALLY makes this a whole lot easier to grasp and even learn than any of my teachers ^^.
This is very good if you are just starting up with Automation.
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Thank you for your efforts ☺️... I learnt about soft starters and INVERTER DUTY rated motor....
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This video is very effective and most useful for an engineer.. Thank you very much sir.
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Your fan animation will be subject to induced vibrations at higher speeds due to blade geometry. Suggest a VFD and through the versatile settings limit maximum RPM to a value below the tested unstable zone or find a fan supply source with a design department consuming far less Red Bull.
Haha... Yeah. The fan blades don't look too optimized, carbonated energy drink was a factor. :) In all seriousness, the animation was pretty well done. Helped me understand the difference between VFD and soft start.
Really very informative and nice elaboration ….Thank you sir.
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What a great video
Can you please update a video for parameters of both VFD and Softstarter. What are all the most important parameter setup to be known?? How to setup speed reference and speed control ? Etc
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1. FLC of your motor
2. Supply voltage eg. 400V
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Just get the manual of the Vfd and it will have all the info. Typically a vfd you set motor parameters (Volts, current, power, poles, rpm, min and max frequency). Then wire switches to connect a common terminal to digital inputs. Program digital inputs to do what you want with motor (fixed speed or use analog reference for speed such as 0-10v or 4-20mA signal from a controller or a potentiometer. Motor ramp speeds and curves. These are common uses, but there are 100s of more settings.
Excellent illustration, thank you
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Very informative and proper presentation. Thank you.
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RealPars I'm just asking, is there any video (s) on how automatic transfer switches works/operates?
That's good explanation for understanding VFD and softstarter , especilly to beganner likeme. Thanks
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Great video thank you for sharing knowledge with us
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Excellent presentation..
Thank you..
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The way of explaining is awesome...🤟
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Great video! Clear and concise !!
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VFD also have the added advantage of being able to converting single phase to 3 phase.
Is it possible in Siemens vfd pm240 series.
Please guide me
yes it is possible, we are also converting single phase DC to three phase AC.
@@ravisaroj28 single phase DC ?
only up to about 3HP
after 3hp you will need three phase input power
so clear explanation and easy to understand
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Thanks for the information sharing. Please make and share some Information on starting of HV Motors. Soft starters and Triac working.
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Very clear explanation, thank u for sharing.
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very good video...but i would still use a soft starter and 2 mechanical sensor to stop and start the flow if the tank is full.
It was been very usefull lesson.Thank you very much, your explane iş very good.(in İstanbul)
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Excelente explicación. Muy claro
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Great video....easy to understand. Good job.
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I'm working for almost 24 years as an electrical maintenance supervisor in a manufacturing plant thats why I appreciate your video for teaching the young engineers how this stuff works.
Very informative. Thank you for sharing.
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I like the IGBT's in the VFDs. When i found defective VFDs that are thrown away i like to remove these IGBTs and use them for my own projects.
Crystal clear explanation.👏👏
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Amazing thank you , I need help about Schneider Somatchine. Programming
Great Video for initiators in the field
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Very useful video,thanks!
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Thank you very much for explanations
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My lathe, two milling machines, shaper and drilling machine are controlled by VFDs, only the lathe having a dedicated unit, the other 4 machines sharing two VFDs with each having a three position 3-phase selector changeover switch to direct power to a single machine of choice, power switched off of course.
What a pleasure being able to select the correct speed depending on circumstances and what type of metal used and rate of removal.
The hassle of stepped pulleys and belt changing a thing of the past.
The drilling machine and lathe are now an absolute pleasure to use as speed is now instantly controlled to suit depth of cut with metal being used.
My Bosch Professional Powerdrill/Boschhammer seems to have VFD judging from the description in this video as the machine can vary the RPMs, starts and stops gradually and also allows for presetting of maximum RPMs.
very cool..thanks for your information sir...so i know the difference between VFD and Soft Starter
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Really well explained 👌👍
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Very good explanation thank you so much
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You are really helping me
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Thank you very much... Excellent explanation...
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Explicación magistral.
Si quieren más, que le piquen caña.
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Excelente video,,
I requested to you please make a video of Mitsubishi VFD model
A 800 with RTD and PID500 connection for temperature control of cooling tower...
Thanks sir
Thanks for the topic suggestion, I will definitely go ahead and forward this to our creator team. Happy learning!
Softstarter will draw current between 300% to 500% at the startup, so whether the source supply can handle or no, that should also be considered. In this context VFD has the advantage
VFD always has the advantage, a properly sized VFD can handle the inrush and has speed, ramp up, ramp down control. Among hundreds of other parameters. Softstarts are only used when the load is running consistently with minimal occurrences of on/off state. From a controls perspective, VFDs are king, especially with EIP control nowadays.
Thanks for great video. 🙏🙏🙏
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Can you tell me in chinese what is that ? thank you very much.
Can you please also make a video on complete circuit/operation of UPS, and different types of protection how they work practically?
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Thank you sir good explanation......can expalain about the other types of drives........and wiring connetions & how to interface with the plc's
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Very useful presentation tnx realpars.
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Thank you very clear explanation.
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This is great! I hope someone can help me with this question though. In the event that a VFD within a circuit board experiences very high values of instantaneous current, can a soft starter be used to control this be connecting it in series with the VFD? (note that the VFD circuit has overcurrent/abnormal voltage shields e.g. varistors, surge arresters, and choke coils)
Thank you in advance for the response.
You would never use a soft-starter in series with a VFD. Both can regulate the amount of in-rush current on startup and, therefore, each can provide starting current protection alone.
No you can’t. Both on input and output this would cause problems. On input : vfd can’t start due to low startup voltage coming from ss. On output : ss can’t handle frequencies put out by vfd.
Thanks brow I am obtain some hint about soft starter and VFD.keep it up.
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I would add that a soft starter or VFD is also used to save mechanical wear on what you are driving...conveyors, piping, etc. Anything especially with a lot of starts/stops per hour.
Tunnel car wash equipment. Use both depending on the situation.
Thanks. Great videos
Thank you for the excellent video,
For applications such as overhead cranes long travel motors, is better to use VFD if I want to start with a smoother acceleration? Is there any series you recommend for such application which may sustain in summer season (hot temp.)?
Also, is it possible to run two motors with only one VFD if sized correctly and sync. together?
I appreciate your help
Thank you for your question. To achieve a smoother acceleration with your Variable Frequency Drive (VFD), you can adjust the program settings and parameters as outlined in your operator's manual. Additionally, it is possible to run multiple motors using a VFD as long as it is appropriately powered and sized. Your vendor should be able to assist you in determining the correct VFD size for the number of motors you intend to use.
Regarding the heat rating, it is crucial to examine the IP and heat rating specifications of both your VFD and the specific motor in question. If feasible, consider providing proper ventilation or installing the VFD in a cabinet with cooling mechanisms, and ensure that the motor is adequately cooled to prevent it from exceeding temperature specifications.
We hope you find this information helpful in your learning journey with RealPars!
I recently installed a soft starter on my central A/C to reduce inrush amps for a whole house generator I will install in the future. It reduced the inrush amps from 120A to 40A.
Nolaman , did it reduce the running amps ?
@@briannuckley2 I just measured inrush amps, I do not believe a soft start would reduce running amps. It learned how much power was needed to start the compressor and fan over a few starts. It started at 120 then down to 80, 60, 40 something like that over a few starts, I can hear it click first and it delays the compressor I think after the fan starts. Soft starter learns what is actually needed to start.
Thanks you for your video. It mean a lot to me.
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Excellent presentation!!!
Thank you!
Very educative content. Please let us know if we shall share this video on our platforms?
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Thanks for your comment!
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@@realpars Hello noted we shall use links then. Thank you.
We are using vlt 2855 , FCD300,FCM300, DANFOSS SOFTSTARTER AND RETRO
Totally helped me on my presentation tomorrow. Thank you 100%
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Great explanation thanks for this video
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