GH7 - Micro Four Thirds is Not Dead
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For people that are using iPhones for professional videography, micro four thirds is an enormous leap in quality.
I wouldn't hire people who shoot with their phones. What's wrong with people? You can see the puke quality a mile away!
@@madfinntech Fair about personally not wanting to hire iPhone videographers, but quality wise they've gotten very good, very quickly. Check out the apple event that was shot on iPhone, that may switch your view a bit.
I still think Panasonic should go the Ricoh GR route and make the smallest micro 4/3 camera possible. Give us the option to switch the infrared filter on and off, and will be a best seller.
Isn't that the Lumix LX100? Which is currently more expensive than a GX9 🤷🏼♂️
This!!! Bring back GM lineup (GM5, GM1)
I still use my GM1. Together with the 20mm it’s a fantastic combination which really has an size-advantage over the competition with bigger sensor.
@@ForesterSeven I use my Olympus e-pm2 with the 20mm and it's still awesome.
My current camera GF9 +20mm f1.7 perfect for my street photography
I'm a photographer who takes photos during walks, I don't do much video with it. The advantages of a slightly larger M4/3 camera is that the slightly larger lenses are better balanced, think of the 100-400 10-25 and even the kit lens 12-60, the camera is still small and the lenses even more so compared to the same setup in full frame. The GH7 seems to me to be a great camera for the landscape and nature photographer because of the tilting screen and the better EVF.
I do way more photography then video but even I'm tempted to go with the GH7 over the G9ii. I use the 10-25 and 50-200mm which are both some of the biggest m43 lenses, so it will probably makes the lenses feel lighter. Also nobody talks about the fact that the screen can flip up without sticking out the side. That is clearly a photography feature. Plus the peace of mind of having a fan, not ever worrying about overheating.
@@overnightdelivery I love the body also. It’s more g9 feeling. The g9II is not my design.
I'm into birding, I hv G9 and thinking of getting G9 mkii but now thinking Of GH7. How good is GH7 in wildlife photography, it's the same as G9 mkii or even better ?
If your not doing video, why any GH series. Does not make sense.
You even wohnt buy an arri lg for photo. even if it’s the best video camera
@@neulandlotse the first gh is a H from hybrid. video and foto I’m making sometimes video and mostly stills the body is totally different and in my opinion better as the g9II
That intro! Ah, it is so good. 🎯
Strange Gerald Undone reference 😅
@@petercofrancesco9812 it’s so good … a camera company promoting a company in 2024? Unthinkable
that stabilisation is incredible
I really think Panasonic nailed it with the GH7 as they previously did with the GH4, GH5 and GH6. Adding the PDAF, internal ProRes and 32bit float to what the GH6 already offered in terms of features is a BIG WIN. Yes a FF sensor will always get more light and there's going to be always a limitation when compared side by side with a BMCC or FX3. However if Panasonic stops today adding features, focus on power consumption and at least doubles the recording time, they will have probably the best selling camera on the market for years to come.
... I think the power consumption comes down to the amount of features and data it's processing, I guess. I found that my A7SIII would go through a fresh battery while I was in the middle of setting it up!
I think this GH7 is among the best hybrid cameras on the market, to date.
The GH7 rocks! It excites me more than any other camera of the last couple of years. Formidable is the perfect description of the new camera. Cannot underestimate how valuable that stabe is, and the float audio is the icing on the cake. I want one.
It's too bad that the Arri log and that audio interface cost almost 1000 bucks on top of whatever that body costs. The value proposition really went downhill when I learned that those kick-ass features are separate purchases.
@@madfinntech But it does mean that we can buy them one at a time, spreading costs over time. It also means that the only people who need to spend money on the Arri Log are those who already use Arri cameras. For me, I will get the XLR unit but not the Arri Log. XLR units have always been an optional accessory for GH cameras, so that is nothing new. The XLR units have always added extra capabilities to the cameras, so that is not new either.
It is no different to having to spend the several hundred dollars for a good shotgun mic. There are always extra costs with every video camera on the market.
What I don't like is that the new XLR unit will not work on older GH cameras. I like the shotgun mic holder (as it frees the hot shoe for other things) on the new device so would like to use it on my GH5 II, but alas that is not to be.
Wow the GH7 stabe is impressive.
Thanks for showing some nice footage!
It’s crazy because I literally can’t tell the difference between off, on, and low electronic stabilization on the Sony cameras.
The body may be big for m43 but it’s the same as the GH6 so convenient that I could re-use my cage. Biggest selling point would be the audio for me too bad that the XLR2 is rather expensive. I’ll stick with m43 for 4reasons: compact lenses, affordable lenses, stabilisation and the audio options (on the GH6+XLR1).
Agreed, as a GH6 user this is going to be a PERFECT pairing for a new primary camera. I tried the G9II (same body as S5II) and dislike switching back and forth between different bodies while using my GH6 & the G9II.
Lenses size is a great advantage I got the s5 and still use my Gh5 just for the lenses.😊
Best intro 🤣🤣
Yeah, it had to be the grandad of youtube photo camera reviewers to use the controversy as intro sketch...
7:34 You’re awesome Kai, I love seeing you and Lok together, two unique voices we don’t often find here in the west. I love that you are critical when necessary and in this shot you just simply SHOW IT, I mean, no explanation necessary, that’s a shit autofocus system and totally unreliable as an “Auto-Focus” device. And here, you simply capture it and report as critical users of this equipment which is always for sale and always being upgraded, thank you for all the years of information I learned about Hong Kong, about cameras and about the both of you. You guys are awesome, thank you Kai and thank you Lok, together you’re hilariously informative.
It's an impressive camera, I'm putting it on my wishlist. Thanks for sharing.
Great review.
To obtain a lower depth of field, you do not need the size of the matrix, but a long-focus light lens. I use gh6 in conjunction with voigtlande f0.95 60mm and 17.5mm. Excellent bokeh on both lenses, the depth of field at 60mm with the aperture open is such that one eye is in focus and the other is no longer there. So I recommend buying expensive lenses because it is the optics that draws the picture. The camera captures and saves this picture. Both gh6 and gh7 have all the functions that allow you to fully control the capture and saving of the image that the optics have drawn. Remember, optics come first, buying it, it will last you a lifetime, new cameras come out every 3-5 years, previous models are getting cheaper. Be wise.
Awesome thanks
Small size of lenses that's the big benefit to m43 👍
lmao Kai ur always makin me laugh , mad love bro
Was waiting to get your thoughts on this one. While we at it: old Navitimer?? 🤓
Great review and context, loved the little extra in the beginning 😂😂
Keep doing what you do, cause you both do it well. 👍🏻👍🏻
It’s very very tempting i have to say.
wonder what camera was used to shoot this video ? As for the MFT is not dead. Only youtubers who need to make up something for content said it was.
After G9ii I thought it was dead. Well, a budget sensor only going forward.
I think this is its last hurrah in full priced cameras.
3 bits, you hit the big time.
The intro. Love it.
Did you just call me a lut
I find a similarity between GH7 and FX30. The only thing I would have wanted for the GH7 is the DMW-XLR2 as the XLR Handle Unit of the FX30
I keep forgetting that m43 is still not dead. 😁
Between the gh7 and the om5... logistically, I'd choose the OM-5
Look at this point the real benefits of m4/3, cheaper/lighter glass, plentiful glass, best stabilization, best codec/frame rate choices, open gate, etc. I mean I have full frame canon and while I could use it for videos, I just generally don't because I just haven't seen that its much better. I mean my 85mm f/1.2 DS is creamy dreamy but not always ideal for video use.
5:23 I love the buttons, I wish Sony would add 96k 32bit to the A7.
now we just need a tiny compact little micro 4/3 camera and I'll be happy
looks great. i've also seen some video recently done on g9ii and that's pretty amazing too if you don't need the higher end video file formats.
Its a good camera. But unfortunately Panasonic took too long to fix the AF and the trend in the market is FF. I can see them having trouble selling them despite the improvements. I also think the price needs to be reduced to the FX30 if they want to be competitive $1,600 rather than $2,200
I liked it to save it for when im at work and supposed to be working… lol
8:18-8:20 massive rolling shutter.
Can't really blame Panasonic for PDAF taking so long, Sony refused to make sensors for them that included it until, well, they didn't refuse with the S5.ii or whatever had it first from Panasonic.
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Does it have a low pass filter?
I want this camera!!!!!
HAHAHAH that intro! Dont change for anything
1:56 That's what she said.
I would never consider fx3 or fx30 for lack of EVF. Too fundamental to have it, for me.
had gh4/5 now im on a7s3
Also. Strange doesn't automatically mean bad.
I have a G9 and an Oly EM5ii with many lenses... Just when I thought I wanted to go full frame, then came the G9ii, and now the GH7! I am confused as hell now!!! What should I do if I want to upgrade to a better body?
It’s dead to me until they rediscover their compact roots.
People who use and love Panasonic m43, IMO, don't really care what anyone else is doing. We're too busy getting work done with it.
Ok prores raw internal and 32 bit audio is pretty sick I can't lie that is tempting me away from r6 II even in spite of the sensor size
Do it!
The two system route!
Can we get Braw instead of prores raw?? !!!
Did you miss the tally light?
@17:33 Building right at the end looks like a Second World War Pillbox.
The tilting feature on this camera should be mandatory on any camera.
That being my opinion is what manufacturers should deal with.
Wait, what? The Arri log is a separate purchase? This is the first video to mention that. That information really lowered this camera's value proposition.
Take my money!!!
I want everything to be in focus so I not a bokeh hunter person but I want a fun camera, Nikon Zf is that and they have a lens that M43 doesn't have it, 28-400mm f4-8, plus I not sure why but I noticed Panasonic M43 photo quality has a rough transition and surface way too contrast look from some youtuber's photos, and for me it make no sense to make your camera smaller when it's still not phone size small and the strangers still going to notice you are holding a camera just as a user you feel like you are less intrusive and the camera is closer to you and what make the differences is actually the weight, my favourite colour is yellow color and both of the brands has it, hence I will get the Zf and that lens plus 14-30mm f4 and maybe a Voigtländer too, just I hope they make a Yellow leather body soon!
This is the sensor that should been in the S9. Not a full frame. So I reallt hope they will make this into an S9-like camera, but with less limitations.
watching for views and scenery....
Where is that church? It is beautiful there.
@@artistjoh St Martha's Church - Chilworth, Guildford.
@@cowfeet1 Thank you.
Top Fujies available for the same price.
I have a 4/3 sensor on my Mavic 3. It's a money maker.
With the right lenses, Micro 4/3 depth of field can match anything full frame is capable of. The GH7 is a cinema powerhouse at a remarkable price point.
And in many cases that shallow DOF is rather annoying anyway.
Try and match these:
1. Laowa 10mm f2.8
2. Sigma 14mm f1.4
3. Sony 14mm f1.8
4. Sigma 20mm f1.4
5. Sony 24mm f1.4
6. G Master 24-70mm f2.8
7. Sigma 24-35mm F2
8. Canon 28-70mm F2
9. Laowa 28mm f1.2
10. Sigma 35mm f1.2
11. Nokton 40mm f1.2
...the list goes on and on
And remember, most of these lenses resolves over 60+mp on Full Frame bodies that are smaller than the GH7. Which not part of the criteria for the challenge, adds insult to injury for the MFT line.
@@xmeda Desiring deep or shallow depth of field is entirely up to the creative intent of the photographer, and both have their place and purpose. But it is a fallacy that Micro 4/3 is incapable of a comparable look, because it absolutely is: with a Speedbooster, an excellent accessory because it massively increases the range of lenses you can use with M4/3 cameras, and fast lenses you have a fantastic range of creative choices before you. I love Panasonic’s GH line, and it’s great to see them absolutely smash the ball out of the park again!
Super fast (1.8 and faster) is utterly pointless on 28mm and wider lenses lol. Who's trying to get blurry backgrounds with wide focal lengths?! Weirdos trying to shoot distorted portraits with a 24mm?
@@TheMillennialJoe It's more about gathering more light at those focal lengths. To me f1.4-1.8 wide lenses are one of the only useful advantages of Full Frame IMO. Moving subjects in low light and still just enough DOF to be useful. For all focal lengths 25mm (50mm FF equivalent) and above I prefer MFT.
For a wedding photographer who does 10% video and 90% photo, probably, a full frame is still a better choice
This aint a photo cam. It is for video
Would GH7 have made more sense with an APSC sensor in L mount?… The SH7?
Actually the focus is better than sony especially better than the fx30 and so is low light video gh7 still better video in low light
What jacket/overshirt is that Kai?
I’m not 100% sure but it looks like a jacket by a Japanese brand named South2 West8
South2 West8 Tenkara overshirt 😃
@@KaiManWong Appreciate it 🙏
Long reminds me of game command and conquer generals units voices on the team china hahaha. That accent..
in this video "czcams.com/video/v0ajhi87Trc/video.html" you use on a cannon fd 55mm on a sony camera, what adaptor or speed booster did you use/recommend?
Gerald Undone will be so happy by watching this clip.
Cannot afford it. Gh5 still.
Dream camera:
Internal prores raw 4k60 & 1080 240
With Sony level AI af
Dual card slot
Full frame
Internal ND
Small Body
Panasonic Stabilisation
Under 2500$
That'll be hard to find all that for under $4000. Internal ND/Full frame alone runs that price up no? I so badly wish the GH7 had internal ND though. It has 80% of those features you listed
Even although it was satire you're right about the sony fanboys creators and ex ambassadors hating on panasonic products.
So on point
I would buy the GH7 but as a GH5 owner they released the GH5II and the GH6 without fixing the autofocus so I gave up and sold it all. It would be a huge investment to get back into the system again. Panasonic made this a failure on their own.
Awesome review ❤ … Panasonic promoting a camera what has the world come to 😂 unthinkable in 2024 /s
It is dead for compact housing mft cams.
It dead when the big selling point is "it's not dead". This video officially killed micro 4/3.
Lumix, pls keep inviting Kai and Lok to Japan (and leave Undone at his lab) 😂
Yes please 😅😊
Yes Dr. No can stay in his lair of dynamic range charts
Camera maybe nice, but the Lens is so soft an glowy realy not the best for the test.
Panasonic waited and wasted too much time to fix their auto focus. Most Lumix users have moved on.
Use fast lenses and the need for FF is gone. The IBIS makes the case for MFT and always will. Full stop.
If far too many folks keep focusing on Smaller or they are out, it will be. The MFTs crowd is literally killing off their own product.
I think MFT can do it all. I have big and small camera setups and can switch lenses between any of them. It is true that MFT needs smaller bodies though. They haven't made one in over 6 years.
Literally nothing beats micro 4/3s when i can have a 24-70 2.8 (12-35) and a 70-200 2.8 (35-100) in my bag for the same size as a single full frame 24-70 (either dslr or mirrorless). I think that fact is being lost in all this nonsense.
CFx-B cards are not that expensive anymore, entry level CFx-B cards are cheaper than V90 rated SD cards of same capacity and are significantly faster. SD format really needs to go the way of Dodo urgently.
nah i jizzed me pants too ...MFT not dead, speed booster. end of
The AF actually works now lol. Welcome to 2015 Panasonic! That stabe is pretty awesome though
Where did you go for that walk? I'm guessing it's not far from London (where I live).
Still not sure why they make huge m43 cameras... Isn't the point of 43 to be compact?
the point is to enable the sensor to be able to keep up with the image processor to get all that codec options while still being compact and ergonomically shaped. if not for the internal fan this camera would shut it down itself after recording at least 30 min in 4k 60 fps
The lenses are compact. Not the camera bro. Look at a 70-200 equiv size.
The point is being a FULLY CAPABLE MFT camera. Yes it can be smaller but could it be this capable?
Yes. They should make more compact cameras. Not this model in particular but it would help the company. Unfortunately I don’t think they can afford the r & d for a separate line which is why this camera and the full frame share a lot in common. Just see what Fujifilm does as an example. The x100 series sells because of style not because it is as CAPABLE as other camera.
GH series has pretty much always been video focused. For a video camera with those capabilities, plus an internal fan, the GH7 IS a compact camera. Plus as others have noted the lenses are still compact.
What Jordans are those?
Personally, I think they should release the GH7 X model with a new 10 megapixel sensor that can give a clean image up to 10,000 iso instead of 4000 iso which is the limit of acceptable image on this model. Also some add-on with ND filter that has an electrical ND that connects between the body and the optic. Speed boosters for Dof. Black body like the S5X but glowing red markings on the buttons. More lenses too.
10:37 The Sony’s picture output is TRANSFORMED from unusable handheld to Gimbal-Like with Active Stabilization, what Sony sometimes calls “BOSS” BalancedOpticalSteadyShot in some of their cameras. I think the InCamera 20% crop to achieve an electronic stabilization, WITH the SensorShift and or Lens Steady Shot create an incredible video platform for hand held full frame video footage. Do you guys remember the video from the RX1? We have come a long way in 12 years.
It isn't.... It's still really poor compared to the Lumix even with the Active mode... and that ignores the fact that the Lumix can also do a digital stabilisation to take it a step further
Such a great camera, but I couldn’t possibly go back to 4/3 in 2024.
Of course Micro Four Thirds is dead. It was dead on arrival. It can do nothing that a phone can't either, but it can do nothing that a crop- or full-frame sensor camera can. It has very niche uses, but for most of us, it's pretty much useless.
Micro 4/3 is good for birding since any lens put on it effectively doubles it focal length, not something that happens on a full frame camera. Lenses also tend to be smaller and lighter than full frame.
Micro 4/3 Zombies.
What strange bedfellows you are. 🤣
You said it all, when at the end of the video, you mention: "all good, all right, BUT WHO WILL BUY today, in 2024, an mft camera instead of a FF.? "
In my opinion NO ONE!
Even the weight!!! Gh7 is HEAVIER than s5iix !!!😮
If m43 don't start making smaller cameras, probably it will be dead ;-)
This camera is perfect! For those who don't lift, or have some disability that prevents them from being able to hold up a real camera.
But… it’s just a micro four third.
Sadly, this camera won't sell well because people will dismiss it for it's sensor size.......people are brainwashed by the FULL FRAME talk / look. If performance, size of lenses, and features are what you're looking for in a camera.....then the GH7 is unbeatable.
Nah, I think the look of the image is far more important than trying to keep your camera bag below 5 pounds.
You are spot on, but I tend to not follow group think... once I heard the stats, this cam was an immediate pre-order!
I want everything to be in focus so I not a bokeh hunter person but I want a fun camera, Nikon Zf is that and they have a lens that M43 doesn't have it, 28-400mm f4-8, plus I not sure why but I noticed Panasonic M43 photo quality has a rough transition and surface way too contrast look from some youtuber's photos, and for me it make no sense to make your camera smaller when it's still not phone size small and the strangers still going to notice you are holding a camera just as a user you feel like you are less intrusive and the camera is closer to you and what make the differences is actually the weight, my favourite colour is yellow color and both of the brands has it, hence I will get the Zf and that lens plus 14-30mm f4 and maybe a Voigtländer too, just I hope they make a Yellow leather body soon!
No, it probably won’t sell because of people like me who had the GH5 for years and waited for years for the GH6 to come out with proper autofocus. I had M4/3 lenses, GH5 batteries, the audio XLR adapter etc. I was all in on M4/3. Then the GH6 came out with the same poor autofocus and worse picture quality and a green saturation to the images and mixed media. Overall the GH6 was worse than the GH5 and the GH6 was bulkier with the fan. So I dumped lumix altogether. It would be very hard for me to go back to M4/3 and re-invest in all the lenses and accessories again. Just not worth it. THAT is why it won’t sell very well. I had nothing against M4/3 I liked that I could have small lenses in my bag and the build quality and IS were top notch but if your video isn’t in focus, nothing else matters, your dynamic range could be amazing, the colors could be perfect but if it’s out of focus, nothing else matters and I think a lot of people left the system and it would take a lot to re-invest in it again.
Absolut not! Most people see only their own perspective. And yes many people changed to full frame the last years. But most forget, that day bay day and every week or mounts, new video enthusiasts jump into the market.
And they find the one fits all in one camera now. I think it will be the best selling since the original GH5 if not better.
Never unsharp, never distorted audio, with prores raw. And you can decide if you need 16:9 or 9:16 just in post.
And don’t forget the enormous magnet marketing hack to offer the ARRI S log.
With lenses like Oly 1.2 apertures, the shallow field of depth will be closeup to ff lenses.
8:24
Kai: "Look at that view."
*proceeds to show us with the drone shots because he doesn't trust the GH7 to do the landscape justice.
But it's still the greatest thing since sliced bread, right?