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  • čas přidán 16. 01. 2024
  • A school led by ‘Britain’s strictest teacher' Katharine Birbalsingh is being challenged in the High Court over a policy allegedly amounting to a "prayer ban".
    Michaela School in Brent, north London, introduced a policy in March 2023 "banning prayer rituals" and a Muslim student at the school told the High Court on Tuesday the policy is discriminatory.
    The court also heard that the school has faced an online campaign over its approach to religion, as well as threats of violence, abuse and false allegations of Islamophobia.
    The Talk Panel discuss the controversy surrounding the "prayer ban" and how religion should fit into the British school system.
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Komentáře • 870

  • @angelaeastwood3938
    @angelaeastwood3938 Před 5 měsíci +562

    This is Britain, 🇬🇧 not a muslim country.

    • @Edleweiss
      @Edleweiss Před 5 měsíci +51

      Free Free BRITAIN!

    • @feanorian21maglor38
      @feanorian21maglor38 Před 5 měsíci +20

      I only wish it was a secular country, like France.

    • @HarrySmith-hr2iv
      @HarrySmith-hr2iv Před 5 měsíci +14

      Nor is Britain a Christian country, nor a Catholic country.

    • @factsdontcareaboutyourfeel7204
      @factsdontcareaboutyourfeel7204 Před 5 měsíci +66

      ​@@HarrySmith-hr2iv Britain was built on Christianity. Our flag is a Christian cross.

    • @stanleywatters8857
      @stanleywatters8857 Před 5 měsíci +17

      From the coast of Dover to the French Channel Britain will be free 😂😂

  • @thirstfortruth8904
    @thirstfortruth8904 Před 5 měsíci +311

    This is just another Muslim flex. She needs to stand her ground!

    • @HarrySmith-hr2iv
      @HarrySmith-hr2iv Před 5 měsíci

      Britain is not a Christian country, nor a Catholic country.

    • @scousemouse9715
      @scousemouse9715 Před 5 měsíci +32

      Its criminal that we have to tip toe around the sensibilities of a barbarian mindset.

    • @saffronsolo9668
      @saffronsolo9668 Před 5 měsíci +15

      She needs to be supported strongly by the government and by society. Do not leave her to have to hide away from Muslim violence like others. It's easy to say stand her ground but we are not in her position.

    • @haycockjeff
      @haycockjeff Před 5 měsíci

      The political elite will sell her out. Most are either scared too talking about Islam or are utterly deluded about it. That teacher is still in hiding for showing a picture of Muhammed. A British family. They had to change the names of themselves and their children. Instead the secret service should have hunted down those giving death threats and sent them to be prosecuted and then jailed. But our government is weak weak weak.

    • @SajjadKhan-cl3yf
      @SajjadKhan-cl3yf Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@scousemouse9715 it was the UK that had the barbarian mindset in the time of empire. Much criminality was done. For which the UK has not asked forgiveness or paid reparations.

  • @werewolvesandfriendsuk
    @werewolvesandfriendsuk Před 5 měsíci +238

    Islam creating a problem and then demanding a solution and making us pay for it.

    • @JH-ck1nr
      @JH-ck1nr Před 5 měsíci +21

      No surprise there then!!

    • @Naomi-de2ps
      @Naomi-de2ps Před 5 měsíci +3

      Stop making things up and get out more.

    • @werewolvesandfriendsuk
      @werewolvesandfriendsuk Před 5 měsíci

      Stop deceiving yourself and telling people what to do.@@Naomi-de2ps

    • @johnlennon7453
      @johnlennon7453 Před 5 měsíci +1

      It does get me angry when on multiple occasions Muslims say their religion is peaceful and then people who coincidentally happen to be Muslims threaten people.

    • @artistar71
      @artistar71 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@Naomi-de2psWhom?

  • @cdrone4066
    @cdrone4066 Před 5 měsíci +413

    If prayer is so important to your family send your child to a Muslim school, I’m sure there are many. If you’re catholic send you child to a catholic school.

    • @UglyRugby
      @UglyRugby Před 5 měsíci +31

      Or better still, outlaw faith based school, outlaw religious ceremonies in school, promote secular values and try to achieve a semblance of integration in British society rather than the continued separation of “communities” and the atomisation of British society.

    • @paulhatton9564
      @paulhatton9564 Před 5 měsíci +23

      @@UglyRugby yeah, because secular values are really working. Take God - and specifically Christianity - out of our culture, you get the chaos we see all around us. The west has its values, its education, it's hospitals, rooted in Christianity which, up until 5 minutes ago, worked. Christian based schools provide the best education out there. There's a reason why non believers want to get their kids into religious schools.

    • @EvoDevo2004
      @EvoDevo2004 Před 5 měsíci

      @@paulhatton9564 That's the problem though. GB is being over run by non-Christians.

    • @pennylando3145
      @pennylando3145 Před 5 měsíci +22

      @@UglyRugby But all that is doing is giving in to the pressure brought about by issues such as Katherine is facing. When did we ever have a problem with a Catholic school, a Church of England school or a Jewish school? Why should they be closed down because another faith is causing problems? What might we close down next in order to stem this particular tide? Pubs - because Islam forbids the consumption of alcohol? Kennels and owning dogs as pets because they're also haram? The selling of pork in supermarkets and butchers shops? It's a very slippery slope.

    • @steveg59
      @steveg59 Před 5 měsíci

      There should be NO religious schools !!!

  • @chieftandriver703
    @chieftandriver703 Před 5 měsíci +276

    A pupil didn’t take the school to court. A legal aid lawyer did

    • @nickbarber2080
      @nickbarber2080 Před 5 měsíci +34

      Why do we have to pay for the undermining of our own society?

    • @calummackenzie1797
      @calummackenzie1797 Před 5 měsíci +17

      And if he loses the case, who pays? The British tax payer. If he loses make him/her/them/non binding gender pay out of their own pocket

    • @IainFrame
      @IainFrame Před 5 měsíci +4

      Oh yeah a legal aid lawyer who just happened to learn about it by osmosis...

    • @Pantifaximile
      @Pantifaximile Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@nickbarber2080not paying, would undermine our society.

    • @nickbarber2080
      @nickbarber2080 Před 5 měsíci +3

      @@Pantifaximile ...and paying undermines our society too.
      So..which way would you like to see society progress?

  • @ivanhowell3461
    @ivanhowell3461 Před 5 měsíci +192

    Yet Christians get arrested for simply silent praying

    • @ianhill4585
      @ianhill4585 Před 5 měsíci +10

      Silently praying indeed, only arrested because the woman had the guts to admit it.
      I applaud her twice, once for doing it( despite the ludicrous legal ban ) and two for admitting to it, showing the aforementioned ban is risible.

    • @chrisspencer6502
      @chrisspencer6502 Před 5 měsíci

      Outside an abortion clinic with the intention of harassing the women attending.

    • @sugarkane4830
      @sugarkane4830 Před 5 měsíci +3

      @@ianhill4585 You commend her. Seriously let’s not make this crank into some kind of hero. She was there against an order to stay away. Woman have the right to visit that clinic without religious zealots intimidating them. I find her utterly discusting.

    • @ianhill4585
      @ianhill4585 Před 5 měsíci +15

      @@sugarkane4830 And she has the right to stand there and pray , religious persecution is not lawful in this country, you be discusted ( sic) that's your right to be wrong, see how it works yet? Have a think.......

    • @jonathanlewis453
      @jonathanlewis453 Před 5 měsíci +2

      I try to be honest. If I choose to pray, it’s probably not going to be in the street, outside an abortion clinic and for the camera. If I were to do those things for the general or specific harassment of others going about their lawful business, I might not be so quick to describe what I was doing as prayer. The greatest commandment, which is in iteration of the philosophical golden rule is to love our neighbour as ourself. Prayer as an instrument for the vilification, harassment or unwarranted interference with others who may be vulnerable or troubled in any event, does not fall within my own ideas of a bona fide conversation with God. What staggers me is the fundamental gullibility of those who believe any old crank in the street when they claim they are praying.

  • @jeanetteeftekhar6762
    @jeanetteeftekhar6762 Před 5 měsíci +250

    We are a Christian country. Why should one religion demand special privileges.

    • @HarrySmith-hr2iv
      @HarrySmith-hr2iv Před 5 měsíci

      Britain is not a Christian country, nor a Catholic country.

    • @margarethall4559
      @margarethall4559 Před 5 měsíci +30

      Imagine if British students living in a Muslim country asked for a Chapel to pray in !!!!!Not on!!

    • @HarrySmith-hr2iv
      @HarrySmith-hr2iv Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@margarethall4559 When I was at a state school in the late 1950s we always had a morning assembly, which meant 20 minutes of prayer and hymns. The Headmaster would always announce 'Can all Jewish Students leave and go to their own classroom for prayer. And can all Catholics leave and go to their prayer room.' Separate classrooms for their religious beliefs.

    • @darrenthomson1930
      @darrenthomson1930 Před 5 měsíci

      We are not a christian country at all, we are mainly secular. Most people realise the idea of any god is something from the dark ages

    • @DavidByrden1
      @DavidByrden1 Před 5 měsíci +3

      Do you HEAR yourself?

  • @wendycurrie9629
    @wendycurrie9629 Před 5 měsíci +416

    Multiculturalism is utter nonsense. We need to have mono-culture where everyone sticks to a socially cohesive approach to learning. I support the head teacher wholeheartedly. Get rid of woke nonsense.

    • @christinehicks9265
      @christinehicks9265 Před 5 měsíci +11

      Yes I agree too

    • @theadventuresofred19
      @theadventuresofred19 Před 5 měsíci +24

      we need to have a British secular culture. This is not the middle east, this is a once great nation with a lot to be thankful for due to the efforts of our forebears

    • @gullygullible9774
      @gullygullible9774 Před 5 měsíci +13

      We need to make sure everyone goes to the pub😊

    • @shirleystein6521
      @shirleystein6521 Před 5 měsíci +4

      Me too.

    • @gullygullible9774
      @gullygullible9774 Před 5 měsíci +2

      @shirleystein6521 Shirley so you thinks it's ok to stop children from prayers may I ask gently what will they miss out when praying thanks

  • @phil9946
    @phil9946 Před 5 měsíci +414

    The government needs to take her approach , she’s correct

    • @SajjadKhan-cl3yf
      @SajjadKhan-cl3yf Před 5 měsíci +3

      She is not

    • @unclem7816
      @unclem7816 Před 5 měsíci +32

      She really is. School is for learning, not praying.

    • @stanleywatters8857
      @stanleywatters8857 Před 5 měsíci +18

      ​@@SajjadKhan-cl3yf yes she is following the rules is important u don't like take your child out simple show some respect

    • @captaintorch983
      @captaintorch983 Před 5 měsíci +15

      ​@@SajjadKhan-cl3yfThis is a Christian country. Islamic law does not apply here. Like it or leave.

    • @jerribee1
      @jerribee1 Před 5 měsíci +7

      ​@@captaintorch983
      Well no, really, it isn't a Christian country, because we had largely got over religion, but now the religion of the invaders is being enforced with the help of an indigenous fifth column.

  • @Kat-pu7ls
    @Kat-pu7ls Před 5 měsíci +117

    Michaela make you sign a code of conduct document so you are agreeing to the schools polices. We all know what happens when one Muslim pupil complains… the whole system is bent to accommodate.

  • @DH-kt8st
    @DH-kt8st Před 5 měsíci +67

    In Belgium we enforce a neutral policy in the public schools. No religious symbols. No crosses , no head scarfs. It is continually challenged by Muslims in court as well. But it still stands.

    • @paulsmith1981
      @paulsmith1981 Před 5 měsíci

      How many years is it until Muslims become the majority in Belgium. Ten?.

    • @theinngu5560
      @theinngu5560 Před 5 měsíci +15

      They really need to say why they won’t live in a Muslim country, if it means so much to them….highly self serving to disrupt the host country.

    • @errin-mp1zy
      @errin-mp1zy Před 5 měsíci

      unfortunately we live in a country where the folk in charge have no backbone.

    • @mollienight
      @mollienight Před 5 měsíci +5

      @@theinngu5560 The standard of living in most muslim countries is not good as far as social benefits and health care go. And each muslim has to pursue jihad at least once. It's about the islamification of the world.

    • @Michael-sq5gn
      @Michael-sq5gn Před 5 měsíci +3

      This school had the same rules! Every parent signed up to these rules! So if the Muslim parents now don't want to abide by the contract,off you go. Not go by the usual route of intimidation,blackmail threats?

  • @scousemouse9715
    @scousemouse9715 Před 5 měsíci +56

    I agree with the Headteacher on this. No one group of student shouldn't be treated any differently from the other group. Its not a mosque, a church, a temple or a synagogue.

    • @hl8302
      @hl8302 Před 5 měsíci +1

      It's funny how everyone agrees now but no issues when transgenders were giving special treatment as in allowing a man into women changing rooms. Special treatment here was no problem

    • @Michael-ns1ey
      @Michael-ns1ey Před 5 měsíci +1

      Remember Ray Honeyford?

  • @elizabethgow8203
    @elizabethgow8203 Před 5 měsíci +102

    This is intimidation and she needs all of us to support her ❤

    • @joachimAl
      @joachimAl Před 4 měsíci +2

      I blame the parents, society is broken, unmarried mother's with children from multiple (absent) fathers, terrible role model's, drink, drugs & crime is glamourized.
      Id like to see the Children engage with more Prayer.

  • @Catherine-2008
    @Catherine-2008 Před 5 měsíci +211

    Students are there to be educated. Her job is to educate them. End of. I don't understand the attacks against her. A headmistress that actually gives a crap and puts all into caring for her students above everything else when others care more about their paychecks and pension and she is the one fearing for her life.

    • @user-sf4se1oe5w
      @user-sf4se1oe5w Před 5 měsíci

      Ask yourself this!
      If parents didn't indoctrinate there children and there was nobody to tout the idea of god, how many children do you think would be connected to said God.
      Unfortunately this is tribalistic bullshit pushed by generation and generation onto generation after generation.

    • @StephanSpencer-pc8oo
      @StephanSpencer-pc8oo Před 5 měsíci +6

      Bang on 💪💪💪💪💪🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

    • @davidloughlin2238
      @davidloughlin2238 Před 5 měsíci +6

      Completely agree, we seem to have forgotten that school is there to educate and not as a vehicle for self expression or a place for kids to experiment. There is plenty of opportunity to express your faith outside of the relatively small amount of time that you spend at school.

    • @zierra2472
      @zierra2472 Před 5 měsíci

      No sorry educate really then you educate that Muslims pray and have to pray , schools want to teach other things to students today then why try and stop educating about other faiths and practice those , you can act out sports and drama , dance etc but praying that’s where you draw the line REALLY .

    • @Catherine-2008
      @Catherine-2008 Před 5 měsíci

      @@zierra2472 You accommodate one religion you need to accommodate all religions. Katharine explains the sacrifices each religion/student has to make in order to attend her school. The parents and students are very aware of expectations before starting there. Islam isn't more important than the other religions. Attend a school that accommodates Islam prayer rituals. Problem solved.

  • @Alex-mn1fb
    @Alex-mn1fb Před 5 měsíci +218

    She is an absolute stunner of a headmaster and a teacher. Those kids will be much better of for the education they get in her school, rather then praying rituals every day.

    • @berylwelch3526
      @berylwelch3526 Před 5 měsíci +1

      2:32

    • @Alex-mn1fb
      @Alex-mn1fb Před 5 měsíci +10

      @@berylwelch3526 Fair point, and he does say he is being devils advocate. It should apply to everyone. Pray at home, at your temple, during the weekend, but not at school.

    • @civildiscourse7626
      @civildiscourse7626 Před 5 měsíci +4

      @@Alex-mn1fbwhat next? Ban singing of songs?

    • @sbwlearning1372
      @sbwlearning1372 Před 5 měsíci +2

      ​@@civildiscourse7626If the song is by Gong and the title is " opium for the people " then no 😂

  • @Kat-pu7ls
    @Kat-pu7ls Před 5 měsíci +57

    Who is paying the lawyer fees and barrister fees?. Because none of the parents that send their kids to school is rich. The Muslim students are primarily from first generation refugees families…. WHO IS FUNDING THIS???

  • @junesmith790
    @junesmith790 Před 5 měsíci +105

    Wow. Muslim pupil
    Absolutely Nuts
    Teacher 1 MILLION times correct

  • @angusdesire
    @angusdesire Před 5 měsíci +214

    I am a teacher and Katherine is my heroine, I have learnt more from her than a million pointless 'training' sessions.

    • @SajjadKhan-cl3yf
      @SajjadKhan-cl3yf Před 5 měsíci +4

      Means you have not been to a training session.

    • @danielyardley9036
      @danielyardley9036 Před 5 měsíci

      ​@SajjadKhan-cl3yf The sun was not split In two half's, the sun doesn't set in a muddy pool and sperm does NOT come from between the backbone and the ribs and your NOT getting 72 virgins get a grip.

    • @tommyrotton9468
      @tommyrotton9468 Před 5 měsíci +4

      @@SajjadKhan-cl3yf Islam is wrong in its teachings, you don't even have the original Uthman's collection

    • @lanternlanguages-ielts4158
      @lanternlanguages-ielts4158 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Hold the line.

    • @humptydumphty
      @humptydumphty Před 5 měsíci +2

      Trainings teach you to respect tolerate and accept other cultures and costumes, this headteacher teaches you to your way is only way not accept no respect !

  • @mjones4083
    @mjones4083 Před 5 měsíci +104

    It is terrifying how cohesion is being torn apart by people who have never really integrated and are becoming more and more belligerent as their numbers and influence grows .This country is in big , big trouble .God help the future generations who are going to have to live with this . What an "inheritance " we are bequeathing them by letting it happen on our "watch " .

    • @Edleweiss
      @Edleweiss Před 5 měsíci

      The preening government and the woke movement pushed for this calling it diversity. It does not work look at Sweden, same rubbish!

    • @Wolf-hh4rv
      @Wolf-hh4rv Před 5 měsíci +7

      Do you want them to integrate? Why would you? much rather have them out of my life. Out of my face.

    • @mjones4083
      @mjones4083 Před 5 měsíci +7

      @@Wolf-hh4rv Well integrating is better than non-integrating that's for sure but that said , I have long come to believe that mono-cultures work best .

    • @jimdavis8391
      @jimdavis8391 Před 5 měsíci +3

      It can easily be fixed.

    • @SajjadKhan-cl3yf
      @SajjadKhan-cl3yf Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@Wolf-hh4rv UK needs to become more diverse multifaith and multicultural.

  • @keith8609
    @keith8609 Před 5 měsíci +166

    The head teacher is correct in what she is doing we need more head teachers like her

    • @berylwelch3526
      @berylwelch3526 Před 5 měsíci +5

      3:15 Thank Goodness for this amazing headteacher,

    • @SajjadKhan-cl3yf
      @SajjadKhan-cl3yf Před 5 měsíci +2

      We don't need more headteacher like her

    • @keith8609
      @keith8609 Před 5 měsíci +6

      @@SajjadKhan-cl3yf it would appear you are in a tiny minority

    • @sbwlearning1372
      @sbwlearning1372 Před 5 měsíci +3

      ​@@keith8609 The surname tells you everything

  • @Trickytrees
    @Trickytrees Před 5 měsíci +13

    sick of this, you don't make the education decisions here. Not good enough for you, then leave

  • @neiltomkins4713
    @neiltomkins4713 Před 5 měsíci +128

    Who would believe that they are having this debate in the UK. Incredible.

    • @davetighe
      @davetighe Před 5 měsíci

      I would believe anything that happens in the UK, and it's going to get worse.

    • @hl8302
      @hl8302 Před 5 měsíci

      It's a secular state. Why are you surprised?

  • @haycockjeff
    @haycockjeff Před 5 měsíci +86

    Diversity is our weakness.

    • @standardprocedure7017
      @standardprocedure7017 Před 5 měsíci +1

      So why did colonial and imperial Britain go around the planet f**king up everyone else ?

  • @You.are.boring.me.now2024
    @You.are.boring.me.now2024 Před 5 měsíci +127

    Islam flexing ? Quelle surprise !

  • @ashleymey3144
    @ashleymey3144 Před 5 měsíci +16

    Give her a MBE , CBE and any other award. She has balls. Something that's lacking in most of our leaders

  • @bridiesmith5110
    @bridiesmith5110 Před 5 měsíci +34

    They have been trying to cancel her for years.

  • @whitehart11
    @whitehart11 Před 5 měsíci +67

    No need to say which religion is kicking up a fuss

    • @Michael-sq5gn
      @Michael-sq5gn Před 5 měsíci

      AGAIN? Threats,intimidation,even bomb threats! What do their children learn ? 😢😢😢

    • @sbwlearning1372
      @sbwlearning1372 Před 5 měsíci

      ​​@@Michael-sq5gnThat it is murderous fascistic and totalitarian

    • @zierra2472
      @zierra2472 Před 5 měsíci

      Well of course the ones there trying to stop practicing there faith , and rightly so they should kick up a fuss

  • @user-xv2kk5fe5b
    @user-xv2kk5fe5b Před 5 měsíci +52

    Which religion was this linked to again ? Was it the religion of peace by any chance ? Just wondered. If any of the children at this school or their parents don't like the way things are done, they are free to be educated elsewhere.

    • @Edleweiss
      @Edleweiss Před 5 měsíci +6

      Free free BRITAIN!

    • @Edleweiss
      @Edleweiss Před 5 měsíci +3

      Free Free BRITAIN!

    • @consul6262
      @consul6262 Před 5 měsíci +4

      The one faith that doesn't get along with anyone.

    • @hl8302
      @hl8302 Před 5 měsíci

      The 1 faith where people actually beleive

  • @barriejackson3294
    @barriejackson3294 Před 5 měsíci +117

    Batley Grammar School is a classic example of what happens when the governors of a school cave in to muslim pressure from a mob. Katharine is absolutely right, it's her school and she ,makes the rules. Shame that other school governing bodies don't have the same bottle. I've just watched a short CZcams video showing a young british schoolboy being intimidated into becoming a muslim. Haven't noticed any outcry there.

    • @jerribee1
      @jerribee1 Před 5 měsíci +7

      That's how that particular cancer spreads.

    • @SajjadKhan-cl3yf
      @SajjadKhan-cl3yf Před 5 měsíci +1

      It is not for her to make the rules. Nor is it her school. The rules are made by the education secretary. The school is also the education secretaries.

    • @Michael-sq5gn
      @Michael-sq5gn Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@SajjadKhan-cl3yfYou don't understand! She made the rules,with others,and the parents,All of them signed them in agreement! So if those Muslim parents do not agree,then Leave the school..Do. not make bomb threats,don't make threats to the Head,do not make threats to teachers,and do not try to intimidate the school! They signed up for the rules. Leave if they didn't understand?

    • @sbwlearning1372
      @sbwlearning1372 Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@Michael-sq5gnHe doesn't care about that. He despises the "difference" between Islam and all non Muslims. Mono mania to convert everything and establish a caliphate

    • @hl8302
      @hl8302 Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@Michael-sq5gn
      The rules changed ...

  • @n0w3lly90
    @n0w3lly90 Před 5 měsíci +72

    She is a fantastic headteacher who drives her students to achieve great things. Surely these are by far the most important outcomes any parents could want for their children?

  • @Me-gc5cn
    @Me-gc5cn Před 5 měsíci +40

    Prayers are personal for personal time. Imagine how some of the girls affected by grooming gangs ( I imagine there are many more now) would feel, having this in their school! No other religion takes up precious school time for prayers! They are not superior to everyone else! They need to realise that only their faith teaches that! Enough said!

  • @FlyingSpaghettiMonster2000
    @FlyingSpaghettiMonster2000 Před 5 měsíci +5

    Offended by everything, Ashamed of nothing.

  • @boscinet
    @boscinet Před 5 měsíci +82

    This is a secular democracy in which this head is preparing pupils to live. This case almost certainly arises from the parents of this particular pupil. Religions in general and this one in particular only survive due to the indoctrination of children by parents and family. The head should be congratulated (and protected).

    • @janbrown9195
      @janbrown9195 Před 5 měsíci +11

      💯

    • @lizh1970
      @lizh1970 Před 5 měsíci

      It is not a secular democracy the head of state is the head of the church of England and the theiving politicians who govern on his behalf recieve money to bring in immigrants . The reason immigrants come is hiraj immigrate to spread Islam which gives them a special place in paradise or one up with Allah . !

    • @melanytodd2929
      @melanytodd2929 Před 5 měsíci +1

      🎯🎯🎯❣

    • @whatnextincomo
      @whatnextincomo Před 5 měsíci

      Our heritage, our all, in the West is Christianity.

    • @maureenbarclay2127
      @maureenbarclay2127 Před 5 měsíci

      I think your right many in the middle east are turning away from Islam especially in Iran

  • @Edleweiss
    @Edleweiss Před 5 měsíci +48

    Free free BRITAIN!

    • @stonemarten1400
      @stonemarten1400 Před 5 měsíci +5

      From Dover to Portree, the United Kingdom shall be free!

    • @christinecraig7473
      @christinecraig7473 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Yes a free for all apart from the indigenous people who pay for the free for all!

    • @standardprocedure7017
      @standardprocedure7017 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Britain can't free itself from it's past. Britain can't free itself from itself. Britain can never be free.

  • @marktrain9498
    @marktrain9498 Před 5 měsíci +10

    Troublemakers everywhere they go. Shouldn't have let them in in the first place.

  • @annmcevoy5686
    @annmcevoy5686 Před 5 měsíci +17

    Good for her!

  • @adsie79
    @adsie79 Před 5 měsíci +19

    If you want to pray at school move to Pakistan.

    • @tomvalentine4928
      @tomvalentine4928 Před 5 měsíci +1

      It is compulsory for British schools to provide a collective daily act of worship for pupils. The fact that very few do doesn't mean that the law has changed

  • @sgb6476
    @sgb6476 Před 5 měsíci +69

    she sounds like an amazing headteacher, parents should support her and be grateful their children are doing well and they have a place in a more than decent school (many kids don't!), its also nice to hear someone in education that isn't captured and afraid to do the right thing, let her get on with running an outstanding school

  • @leonhughes134
    @leonhughes134 Před 5 měsíci +32

    Bravo. Well done to this school. This nonsense has to stop.

  • @michaelmoran1964
    @michaelmoran1964 Před 5 měsíci +13

    Stop the world ,and let me get off ffs,you couldnt me up this crap

  • @juliejohnson6332
    @juliejohnson6332 Před 5 měsíci +44

    Pray at home this is insane theres all religion in schools

    • @zierra2472
      @zierra2472 Před 5 měsíci

      Cant pray times occur during school hrs unless the law allows students to go home to pray then fine

  • @tchai91
    @tchai91 Před 5 měsíci +46

    Question from the first bloke - 'playing Devil's advocate, if the school had banned Christian worship first thing in the morning, wouldn't a massive fuss have been kicked up?'
    Answer - No.

    • @-j308
      @-j308 Před 5 měsíci

      And even so, Christianity has roots in our country. Islam doesnt

    • @jsemplefelton5348
      @jsemplefelton5348 Před 5 měsíci

      Christian assemblies are no longer common place in non faith schools.

    • @Michael-sq5gn
      @Michael-sq5gn Před 5 měsíci

      The answer is that it is Secular school to which every parent signed up to?

    • @whatnextincomo
      @whatnextincomo Před 5 měsíci +1

      Christianity was in my school song, daily hymns in assembly, our calendar with its traditions and ceremonies, the terms and holidays, Easter and Christmas… Christianity was the glue. Is the West. Comes first. Must not bow out of our Nation so as to accommodate foreigners sho come to the West wishing to mould it into their image. Christianity is not a tradition. It is everything.

    • @TheGodswork123
      @TheGodswork123 Před 4 měsíci

      Christians are called to “pray without season”- there’s not any set time to worship or pray☺️

  • @marsinapakos239
    @marsinapakos239 Před 5 měsíci +6

    God bless this headteacher let's hope she wins her case!!

  • @megatruth2546
    @megatruth2546 Před 5 měsíci +25

    There is no reason prayers can not be made later: "In Islamic tradition, Muslims perform five formal prayers at specified times each day. For people who miss a prayer for any reason, the tradition allows the prayer to be made up at a later time without it automatically counting as a sin that cannot be rectified."

    • @Ifailedeverything
      @Ifailedeverything Před 4 měsíci

      The schedule and rules of Michaela School are given at the very beginning before the student even applies to go there. The student and parents are told there is no segregation for religion or race and student unity is their top value. If prayers at set times of the day are the top value of that family they do not have to go to that school. Why go to a school that is incompatible with your family’s values and then demand they change? That’s ridiculous.

  • @davidlawes4954
    @davidlawes4954 Před 5 měsíci +53

    I live in tbe part of NW London referred to here. It was a melting pot when I first moved here 35 years ago and still is, albeit a different kind of melting pot now. The school certainly serves some very deprived areas, although not as deprived as many in East or South London. That said, objectively it's not quite as "tough" as it's portrayed here. I have very nice Romanian and Polish neighbours who buy me presents at Christmas and Easter. I regularly walk past Katharine Birbalsingh's school at chucking-out time and the behaviour of its pupils is far better than it was at my extremely tough all-boys' grammar school 50 years ago. Katharine is 100% right in saying that multiculturalism requires sacrifices and right to ban prayers. I for one stand with her. What's significant is that there are other religious groups at this school. and others in the area, e.g. Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, Catholics, and they don't seem to have a problem with the restrictions on prayers. It strikes me that these groups are willing to make the kind of sacrifices that are necessary in what is an irrevocably diverse society. I hope that Katharine's approach is vindicated and that this action against her school doesn't succeed ; she is doing a great job for NW London's young people.

    • @zierra2472
      @zierra2472 Před 5 měsíci

      Well other faiths clearly don’t hold there faiths seriously like Muslims do obviously, and Muslims will never sacrifice anything for there faith as that would be sacrificing paradise , you want to sacrifice things for this short life on earth go ahead but Muslims won’t .

  • @Edleweiss
    @Edleweiss Před 5 měsíci +23

    If you want to get your pray mat out don’t make it a public debacle.

  • @zachtheps4player442
    @zachtheps4player442 Před 5 měsíci +7

    The results speak for themselves. She should get an award for standing up and delivering education that gets amazing results and the parents who have their kids in that school should be thankful to have staff who give a toss about them. Death threats are for cowards and I am sorry this head teacher is going through such a horrific time when she is doing such a great job.

    • @sbwlearning1372
      @sbwlearning1372 Před 5 měsíci

      Death threats and the backing up of those threats are in the book they love

  • @robinperronjones5024
    @robinperronjones5024 Před 5 měsíci +30

    Good decision, discipline is important in children’s upbringing, religion can be practiced outside the school or in there specific house of prayer. A high level of education is the first priority for any school.

    • @sbwlearning1372
      @sbwlearning1372 Před 5 měsíci

      And above all I hope it shows that it is right and correct to be able to say no to faith and it's ludicrous demands

  • @vickyshaw5702
    @vickyshaw5702 Před 5 měsíci +12

    Absolute rubbish .
    The school is amazing and should be given the full support from the Government and courts.

  • @user-tc1fq6mb1e
    @user-tc1fq6mb1e Před 5 měsíci +10

    You Could Not Make the Bollock's Up 😷

  • @brisworld1204
    @brisworld1204 Před 5 měsíci +20

    She is absolutely right....If the world took on this attitude, then it might be a better place.

  • @Permissiontospk
    @Permissiontospk Před 5 měsíci +10

    She should be allowed to make decisions for her own school as the head- she’s proved she is an excellent head. Why do her choices have to involve the whole education system and other schools? Everyone is different- as we’re told- and all schools are different. As they should be.

  • @davidporter9131
    @davidporter9131 Před 5 měsíci +7

    No school should provide any form of religious favouritism which this absolutely is.

  • @asadhussain4509
    @asadhussain4509 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Welcome to the land of freedom. What a joke

  • @annabellesapphire
    @annabellesapphire Před 5 měsíci +4

    These pupils should be grateful to be at such a fantastic well run school. Some children would feel so pleased to go to such an exemplary school

  • @cherrybrandy269
    @cherrybrandy269 Před 5 měsíci +7

    School is not the place for praying, it's for learning the three rs!

  • @nickbarber2080
    @nickbarber2080 Před 5 měsíci +5

    Stand firm against these lunatics.
    Your school,your rules...if they don't like it there are other schools that have lower standards.

  • @michellebarnes227
    @michellebarnes227 Před 5 měsíci +9

    Who is paying for court case

  • @maris5930
    @maris5930 Před 5 měsíci +4

    As a teacher and having worked in schools where all kinds of nonsense is accepted, I find Katherine an inspiration.

  • @ritag93
    @ritag93 Před 5 měsíci +12

    I agree! It’s a school not a mosque

    • @standardprocedure7017
      @standardprocedure7017 Před 5 měsíci

      ...and similarly, not a church ?

    • @Michael-sq5gn
      @Michael-sq5gn Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@standardprocedure7017Thus the word Secular school which everyone signed up to?

  • @pedrobarbas69
    @pedrobarbas69 Před 5 měsíci +4

    The results speak for themselves.

  • @MaiMai-gz1io
    @MaiMai-gz1io Před 5 měsíci +13

    The principal is called "separation of church and state".

    • @thegoodpimps
      @thegoodpimps Před 5 měsíci

      King Charles is literally the Head of the Church of England 🤦‍♂️ UK is not America.

    • @sbwlearning1372
      @sbwlearning1372 Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@thegoodpimpswhy does he love islam so much?

    • @thegoodpimps
      @thegoodpimps Před 5 měsíci

      @@sbwlearning1372 I think any honest educated Christian would love Islam. Muhammad lived an ideal Christian life, and Muslims and Christians have worked together in harmony for a thousand 400 years.

  • @VinPetrol420
    @VinPetrol420 Před 5 měsíci +5

    There are thousands of other schools they can choose from. We don't want our kids around cult members in their most impressionable years.

  • @nemesisprotocol8720
    @nemesisprotocol8720 Před 5 měsíci +19

    It’s a state school in a Christian country.

    • @zierra2472
      @zierra2472 Před 5 měsíci

      So and ….. there are churches synagogs in Muslim country’s what’s your point , and you have other country’s food in the Uk should everything not Christian be removed from the Uk 😮….

  • @paulhaigh7017
    @paulhaigh7017 Před 5 měsíci +8

    I used to work for a company in Bradford.
    And there was a designated prayer room.
    There was even official times for people of Muslim faith to be able to go and pray.
    The issues that occured because of this were. Some members of staff that weren't of the Muslim faith. Took advantage of that, and had that paid for time out.
    The other problem is the rest of other faiths weren't happy as they wouldn't have been able to down tools to go and pray.
    The other annoying thing as well is the management were afraid to call out the none Muslims that were going to pray for obvious reasons!
    Now that's in an adult environment.
    Imagine trying to deal with the logistics of this in a school one!

  • @EvoDevo2004
    @EvoDevo2004 Před 5 měsíci +9

    We argue about this same thing in the US constantly. You cannot allow one religion and not the others. Thus, NO sanctioned religion in public schools.

  • @pennylando3145
    @pennylando3145 Před 5 měsíci +15

    Closing down faith schools that aren't a problem in order to prevent more issues like this strikes me as collective punishment. Muslims have been in the UK for decades but it's only relatively recently that 'prayer rooms' have been a feature in any school or workplace. If they managed before why has it become a problem now? No parent is forced to apply to Katherine's school, so why have the parents of this child created a problem for themselves, the school and the other pupils? If their faith is the most important thing then they should have opted for a school that meets those needs.

    • @Michael-sq5gn
      @Michael-sq5gn Před 5 měsíci

      Worked at London Brick company,in the 70,'s,lots of Muslims.. no prayer time?

    • @pennylando3145
      @pennylando3145 Před 5 měsíci

      @@Michael-sq5gn Plenty don't now because of their jobs. What if prayer time coincided with an airline pilot taking off, landing or dealing with turbulence? What if a surgeon is operating or doctor/nurse is dealing with a critical condition? Firemen can't put down their hoses or policeman stop their pursuit of a criminal and start praying; bus and train drivers don't stop to pray - I could go on but you get the gist. People manage, and according to a few comments I've read made by Muslims, it's perfectly fine to skip a prayer time and add it on to a later one.

    • @sbwlearning1372
      @sbwlearning1372 Před 5 měsíci

      Because now that they've nestled and bred they are bold enough to fight

  • @charlesfalconer6231
    @charlesfalconer6231 Před 5 měsíci +18

    She is a brave woman for standing her ground !! however i really fear for her safety !! muslims dont like to be told NO !

  • @janieromer2907
    @janieromer2907 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Isabel Oakshott the voice of reason.

  • @wolfsettgast4945
    @wolfsettgast4945 Před 5 měsíci +10

    Katharine Birbalsingh's strict and well-founded rules + values make many people aware of their own inferiority. So the bitterness is understandable 😉and it explains the destructive reaction against the messenger of the inconvenient truth.

  • @zubversivezigotto9731
    @zubversivezigotto9731 Před 5 měsíci +21

    One reasonable accommodation at the time, it's the game played all over Europe. A Patient and methodical take over, the brotherhood textbook.

  • @annethomsen7648
    @annethomsen7648 Před 5 měsíci +10

    change schools lady

  • @KathyPrendergast-cu5ci
    @KathyPrendergast-cu5ci Před 5 měsíci +11

    Muslim prayer isn't a private affair; when it's done in groups outside of mosques there's always an element of highly visible public spectacle to it, or taking over and claiming a space (eg. the amount of space needed for it, compared to prayer in which people just stand or sit), a signalling to all non-Muslims that they are not part of the "in group" and to either submit to them or keep away.

  • @johnfradgley7368
    @johnfradgley7368 Před 5 měsíci +2

    She is a true hero by standing up to bad mannered people and their children who want to attend this school.More than anything she stands up for traditional British values, the same ones migrants want to benefit from.

  • @annabellesapphire
    @annabellesapphire Před 5 měsíci +4

    I stand with Katherine, this has to stop we are a Christian country and schools are there to teach not indoctrinate children with ideology. This case will go nowhere

    • @sbwlearning1372
      @sbwlearning1372 Před 5 měsíci

      Don't be so sure . King Charles loves islam . They intimidated cinema staff and got a movie pulled in a secular state and nothing happened. No matter what outrage they cause nothing happens.

  • @jontibloom6125
    @jontibloom6125 Před 5 měsíci +8

    As a believer in the Flying Spaghetti Monster do I get my own prayer room ?

    • @iainrae6159
      @iainrae6159 Před 5 měsíci +1

      No and certainly not extra cheese on Wednesdays after a full moon at school . At home yes, I am also a follower of the 'Spagetti Flying Monster' and his prophet 'pasta' cheese be unto him.

  • @hoisin75
    @hoisin75 Před 5 měsíci +2

    It’s never any other group demanding more is it

  • @johnpolo4544
    @johnpolo4544 Před 5 měsíci +2

    I read of a 'tension monitoring officer' working in a borough recently. Doesn't sound to me like diversity is our strength.

  • @jackiemadden4024
    @jackiemadden4024 Před 5 měsíci +10

    Good luck to her kids are there to learn not pray all day if the Muslims don’t like what she does
    then take them out and put them into a Muslim school Simple

    • @sbwlearning1372
      @sbwlearning1372 Před 5 měsíci

      But then there would be no spreading of the caliphate

  • @SteveSmith-kf9on
    @SteveSmith-kf9on Před 5 měsíci +4

    Simple conclusion to this,”when in Rome “ which has never been implemented from the start!

  • @Glen-ft8ch
    @Glen-ft8ch Před 5 měsíci +7

    End of the World

  • @chr102
    @chr102 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Does anyone know if there is a petition to sign to back Katherine Birbalsingh and get it debated in parliament?

  • @nikkihamilton4374
    @nikkihamilton4374 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Why hasn’t our government made these school rules law? Simples!

  • @tonyfromchester1961
    @tonyfromchester1961 Před 5 měsíci +15

    JJ Anisiobi as always totally out of his depth in intelligent debate. Not his fault. At least we were spared the inane laughter.

    • @titteryenot4524
      @titteryenot4524 Před 5 měsíci

      Is it cuz he’s black, Townay? 😳

    • @lucky_shorts100
      @lucky_shorts100 Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@titteryenot4524 your comment sound a bit racist sir / madame

    • @steveweeden7647
      @steveweeden7647 Před 5 měsíci

      JJ is a box ticker.
      Typically Black.....No straight talk.
      Always looking for ways out.

  • @michaelillingworth6433
    @michaelillingworth6433 Před 5 měsíci +12

    Her school, her rules.
    Plenty of Muslim schools if parents would prefer their children to pray in lesson time.
    🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

  • @mweya3
    @mweya3 Před 5 měsíci +4

    I was loosely attached to CofE as a Brit born in England. In Oz, I had to look for a primary school (7&8yo) for my 2 boys after being disillusioned by a 'diverse' state school. The local Catholic school appeared to hold the community values I upheld. On pre-admittance interview, they were kind enough to accept my boys if they followed all the requisite religious practices of the school. Those religious practices were fundamentality the moral social & spiritual guidance that I wished to attain for my children. Of course I agreed. Both boys were so much happier there than they'd ever been. They decided not to become Catholic but took away with them an understanding & confidence of community values (instead of the dog eat dog 'diverse' state school attitudes that largely banned Christian customs in order not to offend).
    My boys are now in their 40's & everyone that knows them still appreciate their honesty & humanity,

  • @sandjune2753
    @sandjune2753 Před 5 měsíci +1

    The British Government need to take her approach. It's a school. Religion stays out. Utterly sick of these people threatening violence, to get there own way. She is NOT racist, she is right. A pupil is taking her to court. No her parents are and out to get her. She is some we need in government to stop this nonsense. They are not to take over. This is how they do.

  • @robertbroatch8013
    @robertbroatch8013 Před 5 měsíci +17

    I agree with Katherine

  • @TrogART
    @TrogART Před 5 měsíci +21

    Excuse me this is England!!!!!! I always treat the country I visit with respect as well as there culture.

    • @standardprocedure7017
      @standardprocedure7017 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Colonial and imperial Britain did not treat others around the planet with respect.

    • @TrogART
      @TrogART Před 5 měsíci

      Oh dear the age old trope of Colonial Britain, well out of all the nations that have had a colonial past and there are loads I can tell you Britain was with all its faults one of the best@@standardprocedure7017. What about policing the world to stop slavery for a start. Sick of the people who have no consideration for the good done, probably living in this country and complaining about it wile reaping the rewards. If you don't like the country you can always go somewhere else.

  • @JacobSmith-hz2tr
    @JacobSmith-hz2tr Před 5 měsíci +2

    Pupils at Eton have three prayer sessions a day, before breakfast, teatime and before bed.
    The last time I checked we had freedom of religion in this country.

    • @Michael-sq5gn
      @Michael-sq5gn Před 5 měsíci

      The school is a Secular school,every parent signs up to the rules! So no argument really?

    • @sbwlearning1372
      @sbwlearning1372 Před 5 měsíci

      And freedom to disbelieve religion.
      No to the caliphate no to stealth blasphemy laws

  • @andrewburman9469
    @andrewburman9469 Před 5 měsíci +4

    The reason faith schools work is the same reason Katherine Virgal Sing,s school works. Because there is no segregation.
    The Muslim mother can take her child out of the school.

  • @icedminttea2934
    @icedminttea2934 Před 5 měsíci +1

    School is for learning.
    Religion and state need to be kept separate.

  • @albania8982
    @albania8982 Před 5 měsíci

    Let's we all get behind the heroic Head teacher and support her.

  • @borderlands6606
    @borderlands6606 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Katherine Birbalsingh's approach is completely consistent with that of headmistresses in previous generations. Look smart, sit down, listen, don't interrupt, learn and receive the awards for doing so. Mess with that approach at the student and society's peril.

  • @simonclare-fu7sx
    @simonclare-fu7sx Před 5 měsíci +1

    Katherine is correct, she is an outstanding head

  • @alangardner8596
    @alangardner8596 Před 5 měsíci +2

    School is for educating not religious brainwashing.

    • @standardprocedure7017
      @standardprocedure7017 Před 5 měsíci

      Does that also apply to CoE schools ? What about Eton ?

    • @alangardner8596
      @alangardner8596 Před 5 měsíci

      @@standardprocedure7017 There are C of E schools, Roman Catholic schools, Jewish schools, Islamic schools etc and secular schools and all must teach general education. Only a small part of that education should be based on Religion.

  • @alunevans380
    @alunevans380 Před 5 měsíci +5

    I never thought of England has a multicultural country growing up it was never called this and i never seen any evidence of this, it was just your indigenous British (English, Irish, Welsh, and scottish ancestry mix) with a tiny amount of ethnic minorities who you never really came into contact with apart from the corner shop who were mainly Arab people, this bombardment of multiculturalism and diversity we see and hear about now is a much more recent thing, then again i never grew up in London but even in London it's still only a recent thing over the last 60 years or so, London still had a 98% white population in 1961, now this diversity and multiculturalism is constantly drummed into us on a daily basis, now they want to make the whole country like London it seems.

  • @annacats5240
    @annacats5240 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Other countries don't put up with this nonsense so why should the UK🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

  • @BlueSteel331
    @BlueSteel331 Před 5 měsíci +10

    You welcomed them in with naive open arms = too late realising it was the wrong thing to do now.

  • @spikefunakoshi5667
    @spikefunakoshi5667 Před 5 měsíci +7

    If the Muslim parents and pupils do not like the rules they have the right to withdraw from the school and set up and pay for their own institution. Then they can teach everything in Arabic and spend as many hours as they wish on their knees talking to their imaginary friend in the sky.
    Give their children ten years or so and they will be well prepared to fit into a backward medieval society, but they will not be prepared to do well in the modern world.