Ep205: My 49 Day Dark Retreat - Justin Von Bujdoss 2

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  • čas přidán 5. 06. 2024
  • In this episode I am once joined by Justin Von Bujdoss, American Buddhist teacher, chaplain, and author of ‘Modern Tantric Buddhism’.
    Justin describes his powerfully transformative dark retreat practice in which he embarked on multiple 7-day and 49-day meditation retreats in complete darkness under the guidance of Dr Nida Chenagtsang.
    Justin recalls his life-changing encounter with the rarefied religious experience of rigpa, and details his visions of spiritual beings, animals, elements, and Bardo deities.
    Justin recounts his first meeting with Dr Nida, how he became his student, and explains the significance of Dr Nida’s endorsement of Justin as both a Dzogchen teacher and dark retreat guide.
    Justin also reveals the daily routine and practice instructions for dark retreat, and reflects on current trends within Buddhism and nonduality in America today.

    www.guruviking.com/podcast/ep...
    Also available on CZcams, iTunes, & Spotify - search ‘Guru Viking Podcast’.

    Topics Include:
    00:00 - Intro
    01:07 - Justin’s personal practice revolution
    02:27 - Meeting Dr Nida Chenagtsang and showing him a secret text
    06:10 - Dr Nida’s qualities as a teacher
    08:00 - Justin’s 25 years of Mahamudra practice
    08:18 - Preparing to enter dark retreat
    08:56 - The impact of multiple 7 and 49-day retreats
    13:35 - 7-day preparatory dark retreat
    15:03 - Intense visionary experiences and risk of psychosis
    18:38 - Dr Nida’s dark retreat terma
    20:48 - Justin’s previous experience with dream yoga and visions
    22:57 - Dark retreat instructions and opening visionary capacity
    27:48 - Undermining the visual system binary
    24:37 - Justin’s visions of the Bardo deities
    27:46 - Contradictions in Mahamudra and forcing it
    31:38 - Daily routine and practice schedule in dark retreat
    36:38 - No contact with Dr Nida during the retreat
    38:45 - Visions of the purified elements
    42:00 - Visions of animals and dead people
    42:59 - Visions of beings who offered gifts to Justin
    43:30 - Did Justin relive his traumas?
    45:22 - Quitting prison chaplaincy
    47:50 - How chaplaincy falls short of resting in rigpa
    50:56 - Profound healing opportunity of dark retreat
    54:50 - Rigpa supersedes Justin’s ordination
    56:18 - The totality of everything occurs right here
    59:54 - Endorsed by Dr Nida to teach Dzogchen
    01:04:10 - Justin’s special karmic connection with Dr Nida and other tulkus
    01:07:00 - Justin’s loss of social functionality post-awakening
    01:09:25 - How Justin’s teacher punctured his ego
    01:12:54 - Struggles with students who are fixated on tantra
    01:16:42 - Student retention and abusive teaching methods
    01:18:18 - Where is Buddhism going in America?
    01:19:13 - Is Tibetan Buddhism trendy?
    01:23:08 - Dark retreat as liberating psychotherapy
    01:25:45 - Dark retreat as the ultimate experience product for psychonauts
    01:27:30 - Assessing those who wish to embark upon dark retreat
    01:31:22 - Where to find out more

    Previous episode with Justin Von Bujdoss:
    - www.guruviking.com/podcast/ep...
    Previous episodes with Dr Nida Chenagtsang:
    - www.guruviking.com/search?q=nida
    To find our more about Justin Von Bujdoss, visit:
    - justinvonbujdoss.com/
    - www.yangtiyoga.com/
    For more interviews, videos, and more visit:
    - www.guruviking.com
    Music ‘Deva Dasi’ by Steve James
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Komentáře • 46

  • @lowellarye8289
    @lowellarye8289 Před rokem +3

    Nice discussion with Lama Justin on dark retreat. Having done a 17 night dark retreat I appreciated understanding illusory nature. The whole point in this sensory deprivation experience is to totally relax, a radical relaxation of one's body, energy, and mind.

  • @LionKimbro
    @LionKimbro Před 2 měsíci

    I performed a 7 day, 6 night dark retreat March 9 - March 16, 2024 -- not long ago. I certainly saw a lot of things, and learned a great deal. What I wasn't prepared for, was the level of fear that I would feel: Starting Tuesday, and really grappling with it on that day and the next, and then having a pretty high (but managable) level of fear the remainder of my time -- that, I wasn't prepared for. "Even your emotions have an echo, in so much space."

  • @wiwidity
    @wiwidity Před rokem +11

    looking forward to dr. Nyida and Justin conversation here on guru viking podcast-great!

  • @Wang.tsang2010
    @Wang.tsang2010 Před rokem +3

    I believed and if you really practice, it's come true, Padmasambhāva.

  • @scorpionsting600
    @scorpionsting600 Před rokem +8

    Terrific interview. This Lama is an admirable teacher, human being and American New Yorker!

  • @noonenooneneither3838
    @noonenooneneither3838 Před rokem +2

    I'm enjoying this inmensely because i grew up in an environment where i was expressing myself differently from the rest and was thrown from the classroom even from fam expections because of this. And i have been always in search of these type of retreats.

  • @AgeofColossus
    @AgeofColossus Před rokem +8

    Somehow Justin comes across as one of most the sweetest, compassionate practitioners on this channel. Good luck on your practice.

  • @orshaharorna.shahar8921
    @orshaharorna.shahar8921 Před rokem +5

    exciting! I'm glad I read Ian Baker's book on Tibetan Yoga or I wouldn't have understood parts of the interview. In the lineage I belong to there is no dark retreat, but even if there was I wouldn't dare do it - a few months ago I quit my job at a veterans club with PTSD after feeling like I was 'infected' with the syndrome. I feel that I need to anchor my spiritual work and ground it and not provoke my current emotional state.

  • @misspurrrfect
    @misspurrrfect Před rokem +1

    so wonderful thank you so much both of you may you live long in good health and bliss for the benefit of all

  • @tenzinthomasmasami
    @tenzinthomasmasami Před rokem +2

    Thanks for another great interview Steve!

  • @Ikigailang
    @Ikigailang Před rokem +3

    Thank you for daily practice inspiration.

  • @andrewcooper4083
    @andrewcooper4083 Před rokem +1

    Thank you very much Justin for a wonderfully honest account of your experiences, and may I add, very insightful and inspiring. Best wishes, Andy.

  • @BillOBrienArt
    @BillOBrienArt Před 11 měsíci

    Wonderful discussion. Would love to see more with Justin.

  • @PovoTenso
    @PovoTenso Před rokem +2

    my favorite interview, also his explanation about dharmapalas and visionary experiences are pretty spot on

  • @viaesta
    @viaesta Před 11 měsíci

    Nondual sweets! 🍬🍬🍬

  • @looklikemyles
    @looklikemyles Před rokem +2

    Have a convo comparing dark retreat with fire kasina retreat....you know who

  • @johninman7545
    @johninman7545 Před rokem

    Oh heck in the womb we are in a parallel for Dark Retreat

  • @philmcdonald6088
    @philmcdonald6088 Před rokem +2

    your present awareness is nirvana.

  • @PhanganPOV
    @PhanganPOV Před 7 měsíci

    Nice interview, but I don’t understand the cover photos.

  • @jamesm5192
    @jamesm5192 Před rokem +2

    Isn't a sleeping mind further from an "awakened mind" than an awake mind, much less a stilled & awake mind?

    • @DTTaTa
      @DTTaTa Před rokem

      When you fall a sleep your gross mind naturally dissolves in to its nature. If you dont recognize it you fall into unconsciousness. If you do you recognize the clear light mind.
      Same happens at death

  • @davidlist7507
    @davidlist7507 Před rokem +1

    how would you find food and the toilet in complete darkness, I don't think it was completely dark.

    • @DTTaTa
      @DTTaTa Před rokem +2

      Its completely dark. You rely on your other senses to find stuff.
      Here in the buddhist center where i live we have a cabin

    • @bvim75
      @bvim75 Před 11 měsíci

      @@DTTaTa Who feeds them? How many meals a day?

    • @DTTaTa
      @DTTaTa Před 10 měsíci +1

      ​@@bvim75dont know. I guess depends on situation. Here someone brings meals but i dont know how many times a day. I know a guy who did like a month of dark retreat eating meat cans🤣

  • @levlevin182
    @levlevin182 Před rokem

    Some live in the dark all their lives. To bad.

  • @marcuszerbini5555
    @marcuszerbini5555 Před rokem +3

    In 1957 an article appeared in Scientific American which documented the experiments conducted at McGill University on sensory deprivation. Breaking down a "dark retreat" it is nothing more than sensory deprivation contextualized in a protective layer of ritual. That ritual is double edged. On the one hand it provides a framework to deal with the hallucinations but on the other it conditions and reinforces the person's existing belief structure.

    • @5piles
      @5piles Před rokem +2

      no, in an authentic dark retreat one already has shamata ie. perfect single-pointed concentration on mental awareness with sensory data unable to impinge or interrupt ones attention. sensory deprivation is meaningless to apply to this context. furthermore concepts, beliefs, biases, thoughts, etcetc, have fully subsided and what arises instead is only close observation of reality. learn real meditation 101 kthx

    • @marcuszerbini5555
      @marcuszerbini5555 Před rokem

      @@5piles Hi 5piles... There is an internal contradiction in your argument. If a person was perfectly "single-pointed" that would exclude the arising of the various reported visions.

    • @5piles
      @5piles Před rokem

      @@marcuszerbini5555 so-called visions are objects of the mental awareness which is perfectly concentrated.
      for example if you try to use a moving object such as a mantra to gain concentration you cannot because there is movement which destroys stability. this is different than gaining perfect concentration and then placing it on moving objects. in actuality the space of the mind has much much more terrain to cover and explore than the surface of the planet and everything in it.

    • @marcuszerbini5555
      @marcuszerbini5555 Před rokem

      @@5piles I have to disagree with you in several instances. You correctly point out in your initial comment that a "shamata" practice will suppress intrusive mental activity. However, the dark retreat practice clearly seeks to do exactly the opposite. Eliminating external stimulus means that any visual imagery must be generated by the mind's own activity. This technique is seeking to bring to the conscious awareness that activity of the mind which is subliminal in normal circumstances.
      It is in expectation that visions and hallucination will result that a preliminary training is deemed necessary. In the interview Justin referenced examples in which people have committed suicide subsequent to attending Vipassana retreats and he recognised a similar potential exists with this technique. Sensory deprivation is well understood to be disorienting and can be disruptive.
      I acknowledge that the preliminary training (which I describe as a ritual) provides a framework to navigate the hazards but then this introduces the complexity of conditioning the person's mind prior to the event. A dark retreat will produce a set of results but what is important is how those results are comprehended. The preliminary training is a confounding factor which will prejudice not only the interpretation of the experiences but also will influence the nature of the experiences.

    • @user-fg3fv9hl3b
      @user-fg3fv9hl3b Před rokem

      ​@@5piles i don't think the prerequisites need to be that specific.

  • @bauddhbhaarat5943
    @bauddhbhaarat5943 Před 11 měsíci +3

    so could a blind person do a dark retreat?

    • @kelloggkirsten
      @kelloggkirsten Před 7 měsíci

      The skin also detects light and humans don't truly "see" with the eyes, actually, we "see" what we perceive to "be" via the brain. Look at the schools that teach how to see without using the eyes and you can comprehend what I am explaining. Also, the documentary "Super Human" goes into the idea of "seeing" in more detail.

    • @kingdaleclarke
      @kingdaleclarke Před 7 měsíci

      ​@kelloggkirsten you can't see without using eyes,obviously you need eyes to see

    • @Kenzo-ye3oj
      @Kenzo-ye3oj Před 2 měsíci

      @@kingdaleclarkeyou don’t need eyes to see. Study the CIA documents on “remote viewing”

  • @AA-pe9yy
    @AA-pe9yy Před 14 dny

    What about blind people?..

  • @johninman7545
    @johninman7545 Před rokem +1

    Natural Liberation us Natural Child birth. Without hoping for anything healing happens in the Southern School of Buddhism

  • @BrianCarter
    @BrianCarter Před 3 měsíci

    One thing’s for sure if you do a 49 day dark retreat- you don’t have a job! 😁

  • @gcmgcm4238
    @gcmgcm4238 Před 7 měsíci

    We experienced a female who worked in an office setting, and while pregnant said, oh yeah, i will give birth on the weekend, and be back at work on Monday! Well...she had her pelvic cracked when giving birth--needless to say she was disconnected from the new birth she incubated and her life tower abruptly crumbled; from what her conscious daily awareness took as her life reality! Mr. Von Bujdoss is diligent to arrive at his Soul signature > nature of being in this incarnation! 🥰🐾🏹🪴🐚🎉🎊❤🍄🌹🪺🌈🔔💝