Beerus is Stronger Than Black Frieza Finally Confirmed
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New V-Jump article reveals something big concerning who is stronger out of Black Frieza and God of Destruction Beerus in Dragon Ball Super. - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Gohan Beast Vs Black Frieza
Your thoughts?
I’m going to say Black frieza.
Black Freiza
Black frieza but once again gohan is the answer though.
I gotta ask how many times do we have to hear " he might be stronger than beerus" till ppl get sick of it beerus dosnt do shit, thats the thing the narrative structure with him is having its cake and eating it too, where they have a charecter stated to be stronger than him only to double back to beerus being stronger all along, also it dosnt matter gohan beast wont appear in the story bcs him loseing is a letdown
You messed up using Chronicles translations… “gods of destruction” not one “god of destruction”. They’re comparing Black Frieza to all gods of destruction.
Beerus will forever be a moving goalpost
Never happened
Kondo must make a call if we are to be saved.
That's all he is fr.
Bro solos all of fiction by being written as stronger that whoever he's put up against 💀
@@packwarden
Lol that would be an OP ability ngl.
The stronger they make beerus the more scary whis becomes 😅
Whis was always infinitely more powerful. The guy is an Angel. They’re in a tier of their own that even gods of destruction, goku, and Vegeta will never reach.
Just imagine the grand priest
@@gammafrostthis IS dragon ball, never say never.
Grand Priest and 5 top battle power levels in all 12-18 universes. Omni King Zeno. Zeno's guards. Yamoshi. Super Shenron. Zuno.
@@TheJesusNerd40 Zuno isn’t a fighter so why you bringing him in this 😂😂😂 even zamasu was scaring him and he was barely able to fight a ss2.
Japanese here, all this confusion about goku being 70% as strong as beerus was due to a translation error in battle of the gods. In the japanese version beerus clearly states he used "about 1%" of his power to fight god goku. Why the american company hired to do the translation decided to change the original dialog is beyond me.
Thank you for the information it is frustrating to not know exactly what is being said.
To be honest even if it was just 1% of his power they should’ve far surpassed beerus even by the universe 6 tournament. (In the show at least) Bare minimum KKSSGSS Goku would be 500x stronger than what he was when he fought beerus. Beerus is just moving goal post really and I’d like to see or hear some about his training so that I’d be okay with that moving goal post. But they just tell us he naps all the time.
@@codybethel4142 think u got it backwards lol 😆
@@BrocktaviusKingofNFCeven if he got it backwards if we assume ssjb which is ssjg plus super saiyan ssjb goku should be 50% of beerus if beerus used 1% against goku so ssjb kaioken times 2 should be equal to full power beerus and times 10 should be 5 times stronger than beerus and kaioken times 20 10 times stronger than beerus by the way this is assuming base goku is still the exact same power as he was in bog
@@BrocktaviusKingofNFC how? If Goku matched up to 1% of Beerus then he gets a minimum of a 500x boost in the next couple of arcs he would surpass Beerus at the time they originally fought. Beerus only really napped between that time so theoretically at that point in the story he should’ve been stronger.
I was honestly hoping that beerus who has trained with whiz for millions of years now wasn't going to be easily surpassed by a couple of saiyans who have only trained decades. eventually he will be surpassed, but not so quickly, it wouldnt make sense for such an ancient older prehistoric being.
Exactly, I think people forget how long beerus has been around, and there’s no timeframe as to how long he trained.
The manga continuity shows things in a different way, it clearly indicates that Beerus is yet to be surpassed as they keep pushing him higher and higher. Anime clearly shows Beerus being surpassed by the end of the anime. There are too many hints in the anime that indicate this. Of course, they might retcon this stuff when anime returns... i hope they do not. Manga should be its own thing, i like to follow both, and i was pretty much enjoying the anime and its own continuity. Manga has some better stuff but also sucks in some other stuff.
@@CHT1992 Not really. UI goku being stronger than beerus is contentious at best. Even when broly is confirmed weaker than beerus and goku fought a non serious beerus.
@@CHT1992
That's literally not true. There's been no intense. It wasn't in the Tournament of Power and neither was it in the Broly movie, which whom is above Jiren FYI....
Exactly Beerus is not even to be surpassed after training for millions of years and mortals come out of nowhere to rival him
I think the reason why Beerus continues to be so strong is that it makes a lot of sense. I was always against gods of destruction being surpassed so quickly in the story. Also if they were surpassed it would mean that every villian after would be somehow stronger than gods of destruction which would make no sense. So I don't mind gods of destruction being so strong
You guys are such trolls it’s talking about all gods of destruction not one.
you call people "Trolls" yet you're the one who thinks everyone is referring to just 1 god, revolushane simply stated that if you wanna compare black frieza then you have to do it with someone who was portrayed as the strongest god of destruction which is Beerus, if you fail to understand that, then I dont think this show is for you.@@Dave-gk6si
@@gerz667 You don’t speak or read Japanese. And the plurals and Kanjis used is comparing a Black Frieza to all gods of destruction not one. Shane is taking outta his a** like he always does which has never been stated in the V Jump text.
@@Dave-gk6siDoesn’t matter what they say bro. We’re just using simple logic for the story. GoD’s shouldn’t be surpassed regardless of training a mortal does. The title of god of destruction should always hold their title is the point
This is dumb take if it was marvel or dc yall would not complain about the gods being surpassed by with dragon ball it's a problem
much better mic by the way bro but thus far, the more they continue to move Beerus upwards as the goalpost, the more unbelievable it becomes considering how Beerus doesn't DO ANYTHING lol and is STILL "number 1" - insane, isn't it? but we'll see what Black Frieza ends up showcasing as the story continues and hopefully, its something that shocks us all.
Thanks dude.
I am by no means saying it is a good story.
I think the problem is, is Beerus goal post is a myth. His level was never really set to begin with.
Should've BEEN surpassed a longgggg time ago but to still see them prop him up like this, makes you wonder right? and ofc! @@RevoluShane
@@UnrealEntGamingBeerus gets stronger without trying he stated it bro
@@UnrealEntGaming He got the translations wrong. They’re comparing Black Frieza to all gods of destruction. Where as Jiren and Broly are outright stated to be stronger than guys like Beerus.
nope Jiren was only stated to be stronger than Belmod, never Beerus@@Dave-gk6si
I think Beerus just lies to Vegeta and Goku a lot to motivate them to become stronger. It's likely that when they reach a specific point one of them will take his job and he will retire. He's probably training them for that, but specifically since Vegeta is tapping into Ultra Ego as a direct result of Beerus's training, it is likely in the future he will surrender his position to Vegeta.
Will they surpass him? Not as mortals. But if they are granted prolonged life, the capability to live billions of years, they too will surpass him by a colossal margin.
Well stated. I happily accept this as an answer and this gave me something to look forward to.
This what I'm hoping for
that's just lazy writing. power levels are just inconsistent
Even though vegeta states that destruction doesn't suit him as he can't go back to being how he was?
Or frieza the next god of destruction
People need to understand that none of them will surpass Beerus unless and until it's explicitly shown. Whenever it'll happen there will be a fight with Beerus where he'll accept that he has been surpassed.
He's too powerful of a character in the show to just be surpassed like this.
Exactly. Beerus' character is cool because of his dynamic of being so much stronger than the whole universe while being friends with goku and vegeta. When he gets surpassed beerus will lose his appeal as a character, they're not gonna do that without much thought.
@@aseed89also it would lowkey contradict what beerus said. Beerus power growth is limitless meaning he will get stronger and stronger forever
My final cope is that 1) Beerus caps out at MUI Goku level, and 2) we've been looking at BASE Beerus all along.
‘My final cope’ haha 😂
Finally someone speaking my language Beerus since dragon ball started has not even used 10% of his power his fight with ssg Goku was just trash, they made Beerus look weak how did Beerus in the manga one shot Vegeta ssbe to base and then in the anime Beerus is exchanging fists with a weaker form ssg Goku does that make any sense
@@kosianams4098 You can't compare the manga and anime. The narrative there is completely different. Kefla was on Gohan's level for example. Goku can use destruction in the manga. Etc. I'd argue that Goku has surpassed Beerus in the anime. Definitely not in the manga tho
@@starley_ not sure if Goku has surpassed Beerus in the anime we are yet to see Beerus full power so don't jump in to conclusions
@@kosianams4098 Eh, based on the statements that were made during the ToP and was what said in the Broly movie + in the promo material, I'm more inclined to believe that Goku has indeed surpassed Beerus in the Anime with MUI.
But as I said and what many fail to understand: The power levels in the manga and the anime are completely different. People mix these too and try to come to conclusions
Honestly some people are just in pure denial. Some try to say Granola was stronger than Beerus, and even after I point out that the dragon said he'd only be strongest "apart from the gods", they'd act like the dragon is capping. The denial is crazy.
I agree. It’s amazing how they’ll ignore those statements by the damn author himself.
Yeah lol these people don't know how to cope
The denial is from the fanboys that defend this atrocious writing.
Beerus should have, logically, been surpassed eons ago.
@@KineticSymphony Beerus has been g.o.d for around 750 million years, it's you dummies that can't interpret that are the issue lol.
I've said it years ago that until beerus is explicitly stated to have been surpassed or beaten by Goku or vegeta that he would continue to be the strongest, powerscalers can't wrap their heads around narrative and that Toriyama does not care about scales he had no involvement in. Every arc its the same question being asked about beerus, until its addressed in the story just assume every villain is below Beerus and the GoD, All the jiren hype was only from him being above belmod that's it and all the UI hype died after we saw it lose like 4 or 5 separate times, same goes for UE.
😂🤣🤣🤣 keep speaking that truth, bro!!👍👍
Beerus is trash
@@dark_nightwing_xl2797no u
The thing is, Vegito in the future trunks arc was stated to be as strong as Beerus in vjump, and Goku and Vegeta have vastly gotten stronger than that Vegito.
@@joshuaaboo4767Expect Vjump was contradicted by toyotaro himself in an interview when he was asked about vegito being stronger or as strong as beerus and he says "We don't really know" and that's not the first time Vjump was wrong neither. So this is why what I said applies until beerus is either beaten by Goku and Vegeta or explicitly stated in the manga to have been surpassed he will continue to be above them.
Pretty sure Beerus has his own hyperbolic time chamber some place that he hops into every arc lmao, abusing that godly lifespan
Possibly
makes sense, Beerus is skinny compares to Yamcha, he eats alot and yet he is not as fat as he is. He must burn those calories somehow.
Whis staff, when goku and vegeta trained in it they compared it to the room of spirit and time
@@JonathanAkiraFreudman yajirobe*
lmao you mean sleeping in that time chamber
Finally someone addressed Vegeta using Beeruss “small display of power” in Chapter 69 as a measuring stick. Bc Vegeta himself stated he hadn’t reached that level after gaining UE
That literally means both he and MUI Goku at that point in time werent even close to a suppressed Beerus
I think that should’ve been easier to understand. It’s amazing how some people to this day still believe goku can whoop beerus in a fight.
False he’s using translations from Chronicles.
@@Dave-gk6si ????
@@darknessemblemflame3036 Goku even said Lord Beerus is not someone to mess with LITERALLY JUST AFTER Beerus used a small glimpse of his power lol
ok and ? frieza one tapped them both MUI couldnt even react
Wouldn't be surprised if beerus had his own power up technique or transformation like toppo did but mastered. for all we know the goalpost this entire time could very well be his base form and if that was the case that would make whis even more terrifying
I remember when we got beerus is 10 and whis a 15. I took it to mean how many more layers of transformations goku would need from ssg to get to base beerus and whis. 4 For beerus and 9 for whis.
The more stronger Beerus becomes the more I’m starting to believe that Beerus in Battle of The Gods was only using
Yes your actually right on the money. The English translation was so wrong when they said he used 70% when in Japanese it’s stated that beerus said 1%. It’s crazy how bad the English translation was this bad. I think what DB does awful is having the manga and anime be completely different from each other.
0.00001%, for this to make sense, given how insanely stronger Goku is now.
But then, that makes no sense. Why would Beerus be remotely excited to fight against God Goku if he was using fractions of fractions of a % of his max?
Stupid writing, indefensible, nothing more or less.
Call Beerus the goalpost the way he always just magically surpasses everyone
Jiren was originally stated to be stronger than his own Destroyer God
Whis: "I have heard rumors that one of the other universes has produced MORTALS so strong even THEIR OWN Destroyer can't defeat them"
Notice Whis said MORTALS, plural....
That's because Toppo and Jiren were both stronger than Belmod, not just Jiren....
And when Goku fought Toppo during the exhibition he turns SSB and one of the Supreme kais says "That pressure! It's power on the level of a God!"
This all lines up with Toppo replacing Belmod as Destroyer...
And Toppo says if you're equal with me you're no match for Jiren...
So apparently Toppo and SSB Goku were both stronger than Belmod at that point and then Jiren was completely out of their league....
Wrong I already corrected this guy(Chronicles) and he admitted the translations refer to all gods of destruction when talking about Black Frieza.
@@Dave-gk6si im definitely not wrong, these statements were stated verbatim in the DBS anime. Jiren was only intended to be stronger than his own Destroyer God, not stronger than all Destroyer Gods.... Jirem is stronger tham Belmod, therefore he is stronger than A Destroyer God (Belmod) but he is not stronger than A Destroyer God in the general plural sense of all the Destroyer Gods because we know that he is only stronger than his own Destroyer, Belmod.
and who exactly made the statements about black Freeeza that "this guy translated"??? Who is making these vjump statements??? If it isn't Toriyama or Toyotaro then its irrelevant pointless information...
@@reptilian_geneticist You’re still putting a false narrative that doesn’t exist in canon. Jiren is stated to be stronger than all gods of destruction not one. Even this years V Jump and Special Magazines refer to him as e strongest mortal of the multiverse.
We even seen, just like in the film. Beerus is scared of Broly. I know it upsets you but it’s a fact that Broly far surpasses Black Frieza, Goku, Vegeta and Beerus. The fact that Black Frieza wants him is the proof.
@@Dave-gk6si No you're spreading a false narrative, I'm repeating exactly what is stated word for word in the original canon DBS anime...
I know the truth upsets you but that's exactly what was stated... I have the entire DBS anime on bluray, I copied the dialogue word for word. I could give you the japanese or English, it's basically the same.
Vjump magazine can have whatever OPINION they want and say whatever the hell they want, but nothing they say is official. Vjump magazine is just a staff of random writers, they have no authority over the story of DBS.
@@Dave-gk6si
Whis: "I have heard rumors that one of the other universes has produced MORTALS so strong even THEIR OWN Destroyer can't defeat them"
Whis explicitly states that these mortals (Toppo & Jiren) are stronger than their own Destroyer (Belmod)
Who is making the statement though? If it's not Toriyama or Toyotaro then it doesn't really matter... The Vjump staff doesn't write DBS... lol
Uh, they hold a lot of power on Dragon Ball. According to VJump Frieza Black form and Ultra Ego is non canon until they decide, which is why you haven’t seen their form in any media outside of the manga.
@@Unchainedful No... they hold absolutely no power whatsoever over the actual story of DBS... they have nothing to do with the writing or anything at all other than publishing the story in their magazine....
and we haven't seen ANYTHING from the Moro/Granola arcs because all of that shit is non canon in general, it has nothing to do with Vjump magazine 😂
They don't get to decide whether or not Toei or shuesia want to animate it or not, they domt get to decide if Bandai wants to make toys or not.... none of those decisions are Vjumps decision to be made, they're a fucking magazine staffed with random writers... all those decisions have been made by Toriyama and the companies that I mentioned
@@reptilian_geneticistwe haven't seen moro or granola stuff outside the manga cuz of marketing decisitions, but it is canon, the manga obviously is canon and its stated too (crazy that i have to make clear fuckin manga is canon), its the same as other sagas, toriyama writes the concept of the saga and then toyotaro fully develops it, in the recent years toyotaro has more and more control of the history, but its on the manga, so its all canon
Toriyama has no control only Toei and toyotoro
i honestly feel like they’re building up to a gohan vs frieza in the future..
Hope not I like Goku and Vegeta as main heroes makes no sense to show Gohon.
@@arthurmyself7183 it would be playing on to their theme of potentials
And what makes you say that? Something in the story, or are you saying it because it’s something you wanna see
@@vile8675 the story
@@therealdealyeWhy? There's no relationship between them + makes no sense for gohan to be the "hero" of 2 arcs in a row.
Well Beerus did tell Vegeta that his power is limitless and grows as long as his mind is focused on destruction which is all the time.
"Before creation comes destruction, get it?"
Exactly I don't understand why people don't get this.
It's outright stated why he's always stronger and what beerus means by becoming his rival was never just a power level ,it was growth
This state of mind is so powerful that even if someone was to surpass him, the power gap would have been bridged and surpassed in seconds
@@cmon9505Wait what? I don't get it sorry 😂 Can you explain it a bit?
Beerus was actually trying against the other god of destructions and taking damage if he was that much stronger than them he would have clapped all of them at once. Belmod was playing around and took no damage
No, Belmod straight up played possum while all the Gods laid out haymakers on each other. He clearly didn’t think he could beat them in a blatant fight.
No Belmod couldn’t take 11 them all at once but neither could beerus. He’d struggle against any of them 1 on 1 and actually have to try. Even champa gave beerus trouble.
@@JJJJ-he8bz we literally saw Beerus outperforming them when they tried jumping him (and failed).
@@themightofgeburah5882 that was 1 moment in the fight. Belmod damaged all of them at once with his card move and the elephant trampled a couple. Beerus was damaged and exhausted before the grand priest stopped the fight. All 11 of those gods would give beerus a far tougher fight then he ever had with goku and vegeta. Champa and him breaking reality just be trading blows and whis and Vados had to stop it.
@@JJJJ-he8bz that doesn’t matter lol, those Gods were practically bloodlusted trying to get him because of him almost getting them erased by Zeno, that more like barely damaged them, they were mildly annoyed if anything. Beerus was damaged and exhausted against Quitela and no one else. I know. I know.
Agreed, I think the original ssjg multiplier was obscene and got them into that realm but the following amps are no where as much.
All this proves is that Super's power scaling is trash.
That thing that annoys me the most about Beerus being fuckin orders of magnitudes stronger than them even by this point is that way, way back when Battle of Gods first came out and was a contained story with Beerus, Super Saiyan God was able to push him to "about 70%" of his power or something. Way back then, Toriyama said that "If SSJ God Goku is a 6, Beerus is a 10, and Whis is 16."
And then things got massively, massively ramped up because they continued. Beerus went from *_not even being twice as strong as God Form,_* and only having roughly 40% of a power advantage (which is enough to flawless victory in seconds, anyway), to being way, way stronger.
It made sense for Beerus to be satisfied fighting Goku when it pushed him to almost three quarters of his power. It still made sense for him to be satisfied when the God form was retconned to be somewhere in the realm of a tenth of his power. But now we're supposed to believe that the King of Ego and Poor Tempermant was SATISFIED fighting SSJ God, when it was probably some ridiculous fraction far below 1% of his power, like 0.000000000156% or some crap. *_That would be like the greatest fighter in the world feeling satisfied from fighting a blade of grass._*
It would just feel better had they actually planned out a lot more, instead of everything early on being contained, then not. When Resurrection F came out and SSJ Blue was unveiled, logically speaking, there was no reason to assume from what we knew that Goku and Vegeta weren't already stronger than Beerus, if SSJ God had proved so satisfying and it was then massively amped. Especially the way that Beerus aggressively tells Whis to keep quiet about the fact that he destroyed Planet Vegeta - he clearly feared retaliation in this movie, but why, if he was so much stronger?
But now the guy who one-tapped Mastered UI and Ultra Ego with probably some miniscule fraction of his power, with complete ease, is still supposedly so far below Beerus that he doesn't even care. Never even mind our main characters, this leads to their being a frankly unacceptable margin of difference between the Gods of Destruction themselves. Belmod being perhaps the weakest and being surpassed by a not-even-mastered SSJ Blue way back before the ToP, and Beerus still being so ridiculously far ahead, just makes no fuckin sense to me. Gods of Destruction being weaker or stronger in a spectrum is fine, but for fuck's sake, not by hundreds or thousands of times. It's just so, so, so much, especially since Beerus thus apparently has the power to punch away the entire Universe with absolutely zero effort with a tiny, tiny fraction of power.
He really, genuinely, should have been at the very fucking least CHALLENGED by MUI and Ultra Ego, even if he remained superior. The idea that Beerus is so strong and yet is content with the fights he has had honestly contradicts how volatile his character is when he is met by weakness.
spittin
It makes perfect sense in my opinion I prefer it that way it would be boring and uninteresting if Goku and Vegeta surpassed ALL OF THE GODS within like 3 arcs lol and these beings are supposed to have COMPLETE DOMINION over ENTIRE UNIVERSES. If u ask me the differences should be in the billions/trillions if anything
@@fidelsyrianoudis umm its been 10 years already. We could have moved on to bigger and better things.
Agreed 100%. Beerus, woke up from his nap to challenge a SSJG? who was billions of times weaker then he is. This would be like freiza, going out of his way to fight a regular human from db (and being very excited about it). Beerus, should have been surpassed the moment goku turned to MUI form during the T.O.P...do you remember the look on his face? beerus, was so jealous/pissed off and all the other Gods of destruction all stood up in awe/respect. Yep, showing respect and being jealous of a power that is millions of times weaker then you are lol
This whole show is a total mess. All the writers had to do was make Beerus, hakai move, a end all technique (similar to zeno). This way beerus could be surpassed in power level terms but not in sheer destruction ability. Remember the kais? they are weak but have crazy abilities like applying 10 ton weights to your limbs. This is a good way to balance power scales and keep everyone somewhat relevant.
@@masterkc My personal take on the Hakai is that it shouldn't have anything to do with power.
If you are hit by a Hakai gifted from a God to a mortal, and that mortal has held it for a few hours before using it, it will have lost so much potency that you can just power up and be fine. However, if you're unprepared, such as Goku in his base form, it may be incredibly difficult or outright impossible to find a free moment to actually transform under the assault, because even this Hakai will kill you if you stop resisting.
If you are hit from a Hakai from a GoD trainee, like Toppo, you require an equal or greater amount of focussed godly Ki to break through it. Hence when when Vegeta first punched through a Hakai, he focussed his entire SSjB Evolution aura around his arm. Hakai energy that is fired like normal moves, in this case, can also be restrained to not fully destroy things or people, but this also nerfs their strength greatly.
If you are hit from Hakai energy from an actual GoD, good fucking luck. The rule above applies similarly, where you need an equal or greater amount of strength and focussed godly power. We only know of Goku surpassing one god right now, confirmed, and that is Belmod, whom he was stronger than way before even mastering SSj Blue. We can assume from the anime that Sidra, the lowest god, may also be weaker, which is another reason his hakai was overpowered.
And finally, the Hakai TECHNIQUE, where Beerus stared into Zamasu's very soul, then lifted a hand and erased him personally without firing a shot... THAT Hakai, I think, should have been the be-all end-all. For this one, power does not matter. You need to outrank the God of Destruction attacking you on the godly hierarchy or you just can't resist. Also, it should 100% have been able to kill *_immortals,_* the justification should just be that no GoD can Hakai an immortal if they wished for it from the omnipotent super dragon balls, because THAT dragon has no limits on its power seemingly. If you are any form of mortal, any lower godling or kai, even supreme or grand kais, the hakai technique simply wipes you out, even if you are ten times stronger than the God who managed to hit you with it.
The only things that could nullify and survive the Hakai technique would be the Grand Supreme Kai of a universe, the creative equivalent to the GoD and logically the person they would be soul-linked too. Also angels of any form, even trainees, are immune to this form of Hakai. Only very specific outliers could exist.
For example, Moro might know hidden and forbidden spells which allow him to change his celestial ranking behind the scenes, making this hakai not kill him. If Granolah had made his wish to be the strongest on the Super Dragon Balls instead, they could have likely also changed his spot on the pecking order to make him impervious to any hakai.
Remember that, anyway? Remember when the Hakai was first shown and it wasn't just some strong blast? No, instead it was an internal technique upon a person, a thing, even the air around you which simply fundamentally destroyed them, and it seemed to be quite painful from Zamasu's screaming. If the Hakai worked this way, as both energy but also a focussed technique, then it would suddenly make Gods of Destruction remain terrifying threats to nearly anything in the universes, even those few things stronger than themselves. It also avoids the ridiculous nature of the FACT that Beerus would be utterly unable to kill or stop some What-If version of Vegeta who got immortality on Namek and ruled the universe with it. Like Beerus just couldn't do anything to him. He would need to go and research some sealing technique instead, which is so fundamentally anti-destruction.
The thing about Beerus still being stronger than Goku and Vegeta don't necessarily mean that the power ups they received thus far are smaller than we think. I think their power is almost or like only a few inches behind beerus so to speak.
This is a theory based on if we go by what Vegeta said in superhero:
"The key difference lies in HOW WE WEILD OUR POWER. There's still TOO MUCH EXCESS, too much WASTED ENERGY when we fight. To command 100 PERCENT of our power we must force our bodies and spirits to relax outside of the moments we attack.
Beerus also said his power has no limits because his MIND is always on destruction and nothing else. So its a mental state he is at where Vegeta needs to reach to perfect UE and a mental state for Goku to utilize UI even further.
^ Or this could be a total lie and Beerus is just that much more powerful. Lol
I think you are into something and it is certainly a concoction of things, I will address it in a video soon
@@RevoluShane Appreciate it. I look forward to your video.
@@derrickchavistbf beerus constantly lied to motivate Goku and Vegeta into trying harder and that they got stronger and stronger. Because he knows they will eventually become true rivals to him
Could also be a bit of both he is straight up stronger and has way more control and mindset since Vegeta says Jieran was about as strong as Goku and Vegeta just had way more control and that was a repeat issue for Freizza and his super moves they were strong but used up way too much power too quickly, an issue goku had was not enough god ki specifically when facing off against Moro so there is ways to grow that separately from normal KI
I dont even mind Beerus being way above Goku and Vegeta. He's been around for millions of years, afterall. My main gripe is that it doesn't feel like Beerus is as far ahead as he is. His first appearance in the BoG movie has him supposedly using nearly 70% of his power, and the end of the anime makes Goku with his mastered ultra instinct feel comparable to the GoDs. and then we get that statement at the end of the Broly movie about how Broly "might even be stronger than Lord Beerus." Overall, there's a few moments where they make out Beerus to be just out of reach, rather than being in a completely different league as he should be.
Apparently it’s due to a translation error in the BoG. Someone said that in the original it’s actually that Beerus was only using 1% of his power to battle Goku so everything Goku says is based off of that 1%. So 70% of 1%.
First mistake people make is assuming that Dragon ball story is coherent and will stick to any of its internal logic which it doesn't have in first place
Beerus was always stronger than goku, in fact the "70%" thing was a mistranslation, it was 1%
@@bullettime1116 Goku is millions of times beyond where he was at the start of super, so using 1% against him still doesn't make a lick of sense either.
Simply put, the writers don't care about adhering to their own logic and history.
@@KineticSymphony not millions of times but whatever, dragon ball fans don't understand math nor can they fathom multiplication
@@bullettime1116 God to Blue is a 50 fold increase, it's God Super Saiyan.
Multiple training segments where through character feats and previous fights, Goku gets dozens of times stronger from blue alone.
Then can stack x20 Kaioken on top. So even at this point we're talking thousands of times beyond God.
And MUI even just in the ToP is at least a hundred times beyond Kaioken x20.
And in the manga his progress is just as immense.
Hundreds of thousands of times stronger than his start of super God form, extremely conservatively.
@@KineticSymphony all that math still doesn't reach millions like you said earlier, again db fans can't do math or read, and is power linear or exponential? At times it seems like it's both
Beerus is millions of years old it makes sense how strong he is.
But Frieza is reaching that level lol
@@Mope333yeah Frieza in his newest form can only entertain Beerus before getting either one shoted or erased simple
@@kosianams4098beerus is gonna one shot hakai freezer if he tries to destroy earh tasty food lmao
@@miguelvelez8516 sure Frieza is afraid of Beerus 😂
@@kosianams4098 he probably is
Beerus really held back when he gave Bulma the divine smack.
Holding back by wayyyyyy much lol
Of course the slap was just like us swatting a fly by turning around
@@kosianams4098Beerus was using far less than the
@@TheRealDyscyples using far less than what
Toriyama said he has zero plans to ever make them stronger than Beerus. That was stated all the way back in ROF movie
he said "Vegeta and Goku wont surpass beerus anytime soon" ... that was 14 years ago lol
If there is one thing I've learned from reading DB manga over the years is that nothing is confirmed until it is illustrated in the manga.
Akira Toriyama stated in a previous interview that Beerus will always be on top and as our heroes grow in strength so will he. So why would he let Frieza surpass Beerus
"previous interview". When and what is unknown.
@@zeldapro18 not only that but they keep saying the same thing which is " akira said that beerus wasnt going to be surpassed anytime soon" what they forget is that akira said that 13 years ago lol
Wish Toriyama would stop being such a shitty writer, he used to be better than this. But now can't conceive of a scenario where his precious Beerus isn't ever surpassed.
I just hope that “IF”beerus and frieza do fight, beerus finally gets rid of frieza and he never comes back, like seriously him coming back 4 times is more than enough
Agreed 💯
nah, vegeta needs his get back
I am over Frieza, he is an overused villain and is stale. Hopefully he gets erased and never brought back again.
considering that the creator usually forgets about powerscales and characters you guys should take this lightly.. it is impossible for Beerus to be stronger but they gotta keep him at the top to make it "interesting" but the reality is that most fans know that Beerus was surpassed a long time ago regardless of what the creators say... bear with me... Jiren was at his very base stronger than his own god of destruction, so when he transformed into that freak and went 100% all out in episode 130 we can assume that he was miles ahead of his own destroyer... then MUI came along and beat Jiren, barely, but he did which makes MUI Goku having the edge... fast foward to the cereleans , Gas was the strongest in the universe surpassing Vegeta and Goku astronomical power boost since TOP AND THEN, Frieza comes along and basically sweeps Gas to the afterlife like he was a fly and you]re gonna tell me that Beerus is stronger than black frieza who at this point can pretty much 2 shot Jiren from TOP ? no, it doesnt make any sense that Jiren was far above his own God at his peak and Beerus is still stronger than a character than frieza who is far superior than TOP Jiren... gods of destruction arent that far off each other in terms of power and they cant be, otherwise at this point Beerus would be low angel level, which he is not, considering that in the beggining he very much said that beerus is a 10 and whis is 16 in a power scale... Like Alex said down below "a guy that doesnt do anything and still being stronger than characters like black frieza doesnt make much sense" but then again, its Akira we're talking about here, forgetting things is his motto... and for those saying " Akira said that beerus wont be surpassed anytime soon", yeah, he said that 14 years ago ....
Honestly I don’t even think the creators even know how strong beerus is anymore whenever the main characters get a buff they just proceed to say “yea but beerus is still way stronger” that whole thing akira said about god goku being a 7 and beerus being a 10 was straight bullshit, I would consider it lazy writing but considering they never even use beerus in the first place it’s just comedy I guess dudes not too far away from being considered a gag character
Great video keep them coming!
Y’all remember back in 2013 when Ssj God was said to be like 60% or 70% or Beerus’ power? Lmao
They don't want any mortal surpassing Beerus😂😂
Not likely Beerus is just supposed to be stronger than all of them
Beerus with no statements is legit base goku level at this point
Beerus the ever moving goal post
Wait don't remember. How does he compare in power level to the other Gods again?
@@markstriker925 he and quintella(the mouse god of destruction) are tied at first for strongest
@@degisndinga8853oh ok thx
@@degisndinga8853trash character
@@degisndinga8853Guess it'd be a game of cat and mouse then
Revolushane, do you think the previous v-jump statement of vegito being comparable to beerus and goku’s statement of broly being possibly stronger than beerus still stand? If so, would that mean they have yet to have surpassed them?
They still stand.
Vegito and broly both stated to surpass beerus.
they stated that based on the Kai's reaction to Vegito's final kamehameha, and that same Kai had no idea who Beerus is until the elder kai told him, so i doubt he has any idea of what Beerus's full power would actually look like, plus the same Kai is not a credible source as in the anime he underistimated Vegeta & Goku & Gohan in the Buu saga and was shocked everytime they beaten one of Babidi's henchmen
@@gerz667 I’m talking about the v-jump statement, not shins statement
@@Salciiiiiinope that was never stated not in the manga or the anime but they could put up a good fight for the lazy cat 😅
I think so
I'm honestly sick and tired of this sh*t. Contradiction upon contradiction... C'mon Dragon Ball, it's been years. You can do better than that. You HAVE to...
Facts
Power levels in DB stopped being consistent or cared for since the namek saga
Keep coping
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350because it was stated officially that it'll spoil too much😂
Dude at this point the manga has no hope the anime has set things clearly and yet the manga said goku was on par with goDs in the top arc and moro arc.
This is pure brain rot
The reason he is stronger, plot and nothing more. The power scaling in Super is more messed then the water in Flint Michigan.
I think what a lot of people are forgetting too is that beerus has pretty much always shown his abilities in his base form. Dragon ball is a show full of power ups and advancements. I'm pretty sure beerus has at least 1 power up that he hasn't used yet
I think the best way to know when Goku and Vegeta get close to Beerus is when they cross paths with Quitella or however you spell it and go head to head against him
It didn't take long for the "Beerus had to use 70% of his power" thing to be retconned a lie, but at this point its been retconned down to like 0.02%.
Remember when Beerus said Goku didn't power down much and was able to fight Beerus in his base despite losing God because he absorbed it? Yet no matter how many new power multipliers stacks on top of that, it's just never enough somehow. With SSB and Kaioken thats like 5000x multiplier to almost-God strength and yet it barely means anything.
High key we NEED another Beerus fight scene of him just dominate a saga main bad guy.
I mean for those who actually have tried to follow the story and understand the story.. should know Whis and Beerus have never been truthfull of the their powers... it been told by themselves multiple time they have lied just to give the main characters motivation.. i mean Whis stated it himself in the Anime 😅
We’ll just have to wait and see what Tyrone has to offer in the future
They just need to make the black frieza fights a galactic/universal fight fr. These guys zooming from planet to planet, galaxy to galaxy, supercluster to supercluster. Then when End of Z comes, it makes all of them look and seem so much cooler when they meet up for the tournament.
3:35 I disagree when he took no damage in that brawl and was able to hold down all the GoDs at once at a certain point. I don't really see a argument for him be one of the weakest at since don't have much outside of the brawl.
He held them when they were off guard then he tried to kill them with his cards and he didn't kill a single one or leave lasting damage, After they broke out and knocked him down he decided to play dead.
Liquir who isn’t one of the stronger GoDs broke out of that trap quite easily. So it implies that Belmod just caught them off guard. He then hid for the rest of the tournament and no one noticed which in itself says something.
There is also Beerus statements about CSSB Vegeta being GoD candidate level in another universe. He is pretty much relative to Toppo. The GoD candidate of Belmod
@@RevoluShaneYep and not only that but toppo saw all of the GoD fight and he said right afterwards to Goku that Jiren was only above Belmod, he didn't mention the other GoD.
@@RevoluShane Liquir's attack did zero damage to Belmod while Liquir was the one with visible damage from Belmod's attack.
Just because Belmod hid and outsmarted the other gods doesn't imply weakness when he took no damage when he was fighting.
That candidate point is a huge reach tbh when he just said another universe nothing specific.
@@xXSonTJXxliquirs attack was just a blast attack while Belmond attack was a slicing attack that ultimately didn’t do any real damage, only surface level cuts, and it didn’t even cut that many gods who were held in place to take many slices, and not to mention this slice attack could be destructo disk levels of slicing power to raw power difference
Beerus said his power is limitless or there is no limit to his power. Beerus is millions of years old.
Angels, El Grande Padre, and Zeno are stronger, so there is a limit.
And has trained all that time under Whis. Whis even states Beerus can somewhat understand and mange Ultra Instict but due to his destroyer nature cannot master the ability.
Its clear from his feats that Beerus has mastered his technique, accuracy, strength and ki control. Not only that but he is shown to be incredible clever as he usually solves and finds weaknesses in enemies in record time along with Whis as they did with Goku Black using divine ki just by the first punch while everyone else realised it alot later.
His power isn’t limitless his powers growth is limitless 🤦♀️
@@Hxnnah884 The first thing would mean omnipotence and nobody debated Beerus is Omnipotent
@@jollygoodfellow3957 that’s fine I’m just quoting what he said coming from Beerus himself
I see people complaining about Beerus being so strong when all he does is sleep. But noone ever complains about when buu beat ssb and all he does is sleep. In fact people were hyped when buu was shown to still have that kind of strength
Honestly I would think to much into this, considering we haven’t been close to god of destruction power since top.
And here I was hoping the endlessly moving goalpost that is Beerus would finally be surpassed, but it seems they'll never stop jacking up his power. I could understand there still being some doubt post-ToP, but at this point its getting ridiculous. Still kinda hope Frieza manages to kill him, but I doubt it since Beerus is destined to be on top until his rematch with Goku, whenever that'll happen.
Beerus still being the strongest, supposedly, is going against the pre-existing plot,
They just need to scrap the entire thing. Power levels are out of control and the story is so convoluted now. Needs a reboot
I think you make really great point about how the powerscaling. Fans think they are doing massive gains in power to the point that in the next arc the previous enemy is now fodder to SSB Goku and Vegeta, but there are heavy hints that the gains are very small.
Pre-super Buu saga Base Goku was believed to be way stronger than Namek Frieza, yet Beerus clearly states that is impossible until he sees SSJ. People also believe that SSG catapulted Goku to way beyond anything in Z because he matched Beerus but it was clear Beerus was playing around and was only curious about Goku harnessing God Ki, I wouldn't be surprised if Vegito turned out to be stronger (but due to lack of God Ki Beerus wouldn't be interested). Frieza was matched with Goku at the start of ToP and the only improvements he had was that he managed to solve his stamina issue and did image training in hell. People believe that the image training gave him massive boost but that seems far fetched as hell, Golden Frieza was already stronger than SSB, stamina was what screwed him, it is more logical that the gains aren't that massive and Goku was now as strong as Frieza that had the stamina issue solved. Vegeta recently even stated that they had to reach to Jiren's level, considering that he hasn't met Jiren since the ToP, it seems like ToP Jiren is still a benchmark for them to reach and that Moro Saga Goku was just rethreading his progress on ToP since he forgot how to do UI at the end. Granolah's arc seems similar but this time he gets TUI that is about the same but allows usage of emotion. This would mean that powerwise ToP Goku is almost the same as Granolah's arc Goku except he now can do UI at will and has access to another version that allows him to use UI with emotions and little to no changes to the power output. Heck there is even a possibility that ToP Goku to be stronger than current Goku given that he was tapping into power that he didn't know how he got and forgot how to use.
This is a nightmare scenario to powerscalers but the more I look at the story from this point the more it makes sense.
I have to disagree about the moving goalpost, there are a few statements like how SSB Goku and Vegeta working together would be a match for Beerus, or the Jiren is stronger than Belmond that was stronger than Beerus statement (and I don't think Belmond is that weak either, people forgot that during the GoD fight Belmond immobilized all the other GoD at the same time when they went after Beerus, by the end of the match he didn't seemed like he had a scratch and was smiling while pretending he was down).
The planning about when Goku would surpass Beerus was poorly done, therefore those statements along with scenes from the anime like when Goku pulled the Kaioken both Beerus and Champa were shocked, Beerus even stated about how Goku was had such a technique to use against him, so yeah he was a moving goalpost due to bad planning.
Recently they corrected that with Beerus stating how he's millions of times stronger than what he showed to crush Vegeta or the Dragon saying that he could turn Granolah and Gas into the strongest ones in the universe below the Gods.
I feel Beerus and Whis either were introduced too early or show up too much in the arcs.
It's just becoming harder and harder for me to believe that some space cat that spends most of his screen time eating and sleeping to still be vastly stronger than the guys we've been following that have achieved multiple transformations since Battle of Gods. Even if they just showed us one scene of Beerus sparring against Whis would nearly invalidate all of my complaints/
They are just under used and only mentor figures
The space cat of millions upon millions of years that is the universal janitor. Beerus, Shin, and Whis(Beerus' attendant and teacher) run their universe. Destruction, the action or process of causing so much damage to something that it no longer exists or cannot be repaired. The title and power of GoD should be top dog and extremely difficult to approach. The Saiyans shouldn't be at the goal of the story so soon and there are still bad guys they should face like Frieza that Goku was willing to bring back to life knowing how Frieza is. Goku hasn't truly completely mastered all that is UI iirc like Beerus hasn't.
Jiren may be stronger in brute strength to a GoD but what about techniques? Could he survive a true Hakai? One from a GoD? I could agree they may have showed up a few time too much.
I mean beerus is said to be a god for millions of years so it makes less sense that some saiyans who were worse than frieza at the start is stronger than such god after training for decades
That Cat has spend millions of years training, a few years of rest isn't gonna do anything to his strength. He's the strongest GoD among all of them very clearly.
@@spartanAXA You remember the golden rule of narrative technique "Show, don't tell"? It's the fact that they do more of the opposite. I will admit the manga does do a better showing of the gap in strength/technique between Beerus and Goku/Vegeta, but it can still be demonstrated in a more effective example. They tell us he was trained by Whis, who himself is vastly stronger than Beerus, but we never have a moment, not even a flashback of Beerus's training with Whis. Stop TELLING me about his millions of years of experience. SHOW me his millions of years of experience.
The fact Beerus is STILL confined stronger than Goku, Vegeta and Frieza currently, makes you wonder the limits of Beerus. He is ALWAYS holding back.
Beerus said it himself. There is no limit to his power as long as his mind focuses on destruction and nothing else
Blablabla. Retcons after retcons after retcons. Beerus has been surpassed many times already, as stated by multiple characters in the manga, anime and movies at different points of the story. For example, the original Beerus from the BoG arc of the anime was surpassed by Goku in U6 tournament already when he used ssb Kaioken.
It’s just that the writers don’t know at all where to go with him so they keep retconning his power up silently, hoping blind fanboys won’t notice the *clear* contradictions that makes. Saddest part is, this comment section proves they are 100% getting aay with it.
No proof@@grydon6422
@@grydon6422no offense but no amount of crying on your end will change this and it was never flat out stated Beerus was surpassed everything has been might, maybe none have ever been with 100% certainty. Also if you was writing DB it would be no better because if you was you would have Beerus already been surpassed. Now tell me if they have Beerus be surpassed what is the purpose at that point of his character to be a side show. He would literally be irrelevant and useless which is silly because he is the God of Destruction.
in the anime they made Beerus look weak ssb kk20 Goku at the u6 tournament is still weaker than beerus cause in the manga Beerus on shotted ssbe Vegeta which is more powerful than ssb kk20 Goku at the u6 tournament that only means that Beerus could also one shot that Goku from u6 tournament
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Great video
If Beerus is that strong, imagine Whis.😅😅😅
Whis is crazy 😅
Yes of course whis should be nigh omnipotent cause his sister vados was shown moving the super dragon balls via telekinesis and one super dragon ball is as heavy as a planet and vados was moving 7 planet sized orbs with her mind and one super dragon ball should weigh more than 3 sextillion kg and she moved 7 planet sized orbs with her mind along with Champa by her side and she did it like it was nothing
@@RevoluShanewhy do you think whis is crazy 😧
This whole power scaling thing is weird no matter what continuity we use, but it's even more screwed up if you use the manga. We've been shown that Goku and Vegeta have grown tremendously even since the Granolah arc started, let alone the three years after it. That said, how is it remotely possible that Jiren and Moro are "on par" with them (as stated directly by Vegeta in chapter 93)? Yes, Moro became even with UI Goku once he copied Merus' powers. I can even accept that Jiren was above UI Goku in terms of raw strength. But the idea of Goku only being on par with either of them after learning to use UI Omen at will, learning to use UI at will, learning to use it in all of his forms *and* straight up creating his own unique form of UI flat out doesn't make any sense. Toss Frieza's current power in there and it gets even dumber. Am am supposed to believe that Frieza is only on par with Moro, a guy who was even with a Goku from *two entire arcs ago?*
Power scaling is saiyan saga stuff, super is about control over gained power which is repeatedly shown with ssb, moro with u.i, vegeta on yardrat and vegeta speaking of jiren. Everyone has peaked in power hence the non saiyan forms goku and vegeta used.
@@padraig-bobotia-maria5176 While your main point about Super is true, the characters *do* get physically stronger over time. Ultra Ego is straight up built on this. Vegeta's statement about the Saiyan's current power compared to prior antagonists doesn't make any sense both narratively and mathematically. How is Jiren on par with either of them in any regard when they've grown so much, both in raw strength and in finesse? The last time they fought Jiren, Goku wasn't able to use any form of UI at will and Vegeta wasn't even aware that UE existed. Now, Vegeta can use UE and has grown stronger in it, and Goku has trained so much that he can a form of UI that is unique to him (a state which made him physically stronger, which he stated himself) *and* keep PUI stable should he need to use it. But they're still only even with Jiren 3 years after *all of that?*
@@NineNovem yes as vegeta stated.
@@padraig-bobotia-maria5176 Sure, but again, his statement makes no sense. Fundamentally. UI is based on Godly Ki (perfect ki control) and ideally, prefect emotional control. UE is based on Godly Ki and a constant focus on destruction, which requires its own form of mental regulation to use properly. Using Ki efficiently shouldn't be something Goku and Vegeta have any issue with because it was literally the first thing Whis taught them to do, and is the sole reason they can use godly powers at all. It is the foundation of every single advancement they've made since Super began. It should not be a problem by now, and the writers using it to make old antagonists relevant is really dumb.
@@NineNovem If that was the case goku's ui would be on whis level
In retrospect, Beerus was getting giddy about God Goku making him use .0001% of his power
Here is one thing people need to realize. The statement “Jiren is stronger than Belmod” or “Jiren is stronger than all the gods” is NOT synonymous with “Jiren can defeat all the gods” I am willing to believe that Jiren and Broly are indeed stronger than Beerus. But in a fight it is still possible for Beerus to be above them by simply being a better fighter due to Beerus being alive much longer. Perhaps when Jiren fought against UI Goku, having never fought against an UI opponent, Jiren would significantly struggle where as Beerus (I would imagine) is far more knowledgeable on how to fight against UI opponents and have a far better match against UI Goku than Jiren did in TOP. This is how it can still makes sense for Beerus to still be considered at the top in comparison to UI Goku, Jiren, and Broly without the need for Beerus to get any stronger.
(I’m not finished will be continuing later)
What I tell you what I tell you, RevoluShane!! I kept *TELLING* these boys that black frieza *WOULD NOT* be stronger than Beerus. Beerus *WILL* remain the top dog until goku finally defeats him.
We have 3 characters who have positions that aren’t set and that’s
Beerus
Whis
Broly
Wa Witmanhart
@@RevoluShane HELL DAMN YEAH!!
@@da_hitmanhart6650 And Grand Priest.
Those are the four that Toyotaro and Uchida mentioned
@@Underworldwarrior1 I stand corrected. You are right, my friend! Thank you! You are right. 👍👍
Beerus is just a badly written character, he's been written to be surpassed so many times and then retconned to being stronger again later, the writers just genuinely have no idea what to do with this guy and it shows, he exists to do nothing but hype up other characters with comparisons to himself, and to give Goku and Vegeta a teacher in whis, he's just boring and a bad thing for the story, he kills all tension and creates confusion with comparisons to himself that end up being lies because of bad writing.
you're overreacting, Beerus has lived for millions of years and trained with an Angel for so long, it wouldn't make sense for him to get surpassed so easily by a Saiyan who just started, also it's all about the story, not power scaling, the writers will do what fits the story more.
@@gerz667just shut up he ain’t wrong by any means beerus hasn’t done jack shit since battle of gods realistically goku frieza Jiren Gohan and Vegeta should all be above a god of destruction level at this point ok beerus is a shitty character that Toryiama Toei and Torytoro have completely wasted in my opinion cause he don’t do anything.
@@SonGoku100YearsLateri agree 100 percent he serves zero narrative purpose any more and just exsists as a tension killer cause he's always looming no matter the big bad if they had any balls frieza killing beerus would be the play meaning beerus own arrogance would be his undoing and giving goku and vegeta a motivation
Or you’re just wrongly cross-referencing the Early Movies, Anime and the Manga.
In the Manga, UI during the ToP was weaker than his Anime counterpart. It was unable to defeat Jiren, whereas in the Anime, Jiren needed a power up to even match UI and still lost.
Not to mention that the scaling put forward in the Original Movie Battle of Gods was not put in the Manga and Anime adaptations.
Therefore, Beerus was not “retconned” to be stronger.
He was never surpassed in the Manga in the first place. In the Anime, he was if we take Whis’ statement at face value and not count it a him trying to poke fun at Beerus for losing at arm-wrestle.
And the Broly movie only has Goku’s statement, which cannot be taken seriously given that he never saw nor fought against Beerus’ true power, and can only be seen as Goku making a comparison between the Beerus he fought and Broly LSSJ.
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Also, a Good character is not measured by his/her importance in the story, but by his/her characterization, development, and growth.
He has been superbly characterized, Averagely developed, and has undergone some kind of growth ( as the Beerus from Battle of Gods is not the exactly same as the Beerus now ). Therefore, for DB standards, he’s not a bad character by any means. He may not be the best, but not the worst either.
I disagree with everything you just said & feel the completely opposite for Beerus. I think he's awesome for the story but cool your opinion.
V-jump is also the magazine that released the "OFFICIAL" deck list of all the Yugioh Duel monster era characters and it absolutely contradicts what we see in the anime/manga.
Whis mentions UI is very difficult even for the destroyers to learn, and that even Beerus has not mastered UI. leads me to think he can probably use the base of UI but not MUI. Beerus likely has way more depth to his power.
I'mma be real chief, I need more convincing, because I do wanna believe this, it would make sense if we saw Beerus display his strength more often.
First of all the text about Black Frieza refers to all gods of destruction not one. So you can already tell Shane is trying to spin a false narrative here.
did you mean to say chief?
U didn't answer the question
Beerus trained Vegeta on reaching UE and Vegeta admits he not in league of Beerus and supposedly Goku and Vegeta are equals post Granolah Arc. Theres your convincing...
@@SiNKarnage They’re not equals post Granolah. Remember who overpowered and threw Gas into space. The silver hair is Goku’s most powerful form. The only drawback which is pretty silly is that he’s not calm enough to use it. Think a reverse Hulk, the calmer you are the more power you become.
I don't understand how people still don't get that neither Goku nor any new enemy will be stronger than Beerus until Goku has his rematch and defeats him. It will make no narrative sense for a Goku vs Beerus rematch to be teased and then have anyone be stronger than Beerus before that rematch.
There is nothing to get; if it is stated multiple times that characters have surpassed Beerus and other GoDs, then they have surpassed him period, no matter how little narrative sense it makes to you. Them silently retconning his strength up without any explanation is so hilariously bad writing it exposes what amateurs are actually behind this story.
The only thing sadder than the quality of the writing on Beerus are the fanboys being totally blind to it and defending it, while chewing the shit they are being spoon fed by the story.
@@grydon6422 Only issue is that it was never stated. You guys just took a statement made about a specific GoD, who wasn't Beerus, and applied it to him. You were proven wrong, there was no retcon. You will now say Black Frieza is stronger until you will be proven wrong too.
@@pkj2148beerus literally said he was at 70% power n was visibly frightened at kaioken blue goku as well as Broly being hinted at surpassing beerus, I do think it makes more sense for beerus to be stronger but they just gonna keep retconning him it seems
@@etercious Beerus says that in the Battle of Gods movie, not in the anime. The movie isn't canon. A hint isn't a solid evidence. It was never flat out said that they surpassed Beerus.
And even if it were retconned, what matters is the retcon, not what it was before it. If it was retconned, it was probably because they saw it breaks the narrative to have Goku already be stronger than Beerus before their rematch.
@@pkj2148
Correction, Battle of Gods is canon. It just got re-adapted to the anime which no longer made it the main continuation.
Last "two" standing? What did the manga show us Belmod was doing at the end of that fight?
You know Black Frieza isn't the next "baddy". Someone else is going to destroy him.
Beerus and quitela seem to be the only gods of destruction that matter n truly embody a serious not easily surpassed benchmark of destruction god concept. I think a plot twist is beerus continues to get stronger too and it’s not just them but beerus who is still in training under Whis long as he lives
I think the same might go for the others too
@@Mope333 maybe. But they need to step they game up if so lol. Quitela and beerus and universe 7 mortals shouldn’t be able to surpass any of them that easily n beat them down
What about the when they said broly probably stronger than beerus?
Hmm this makes me wonder if the peak of GoD tier breaches the floor of Angel tier or if the floor of angel tier is just above GoD all together
9:22 that part is half right, belmod was still there he was just playing k.o., probaly that he has to fight only one drained god of destruction in the end
Honestly its a good thing they keep making Beerus stronger and stronger it shows us his power isnt something they can ontain easily, hes a G.O.D and they're truly showing the difference between that power and those of Mortals. Its scary
As one that never cared about Beerus as a character anyway I'm indifferent to anyone surpassing him. He's not important and does nothing of value in the story unless the stars align that arc. I only care about the characters we've been following for decades. Not some new blood that does jack shit almost every arc.
Goku without even UI let alone MUI was able to push Beerus into using 50% of his power, Vegita is on a very similar power level so lets highball Beerus by putting them both in current forms and saying that's 100% of Beerus's power, black Frieza one shotted both Goku and Vegita with 0 dif so even if we highballed Beerus off of his previous fights where he used a certain percentage of his power by saying both current Vegita and Goku are just as strong combined as Beerus, Beerus still doesn't stand a chance against Frieza's black form and this makes sense story wise bc Frieza has told Beerus that one day he will kill him, and rn it definitely seems more than in the realm of possibility bc of what ive just stated.
I'm honestly okay with/indifferent to this. It's a change of pace if anything. Almost since this series began, all It's been is just surpassing the "next strongest guy" then afterwards gets smacked into irrelevancy as Goku continues to skyrocket. This series hit the power ceiling a very long time ago, it's only so far you can go on. I remember back when Jiren was front page news, even before he showcased any of his power there were fans asking who the next strongest guy was, it's like, yeesh, people. This is why the series tries to switch things up a little, defeating enemies with more strategy even if they aren't overwhelming powerhouses.
I’ve had a theory that maybe the ultimate rival that berry’s had been looking for and the prophecy of a fighter that can truly rival him. May not be holy or vegeta but the combination of the two so possibly a ultra ego\instinct vegito or gogeta. As crazy as that sounds it would kind of make sense because it’s the combination of those two who he looks at as potential rivals. Beerus power has deff been kept secret lately and he hasn’t been doing much I think it’s building up for something big in a later plot point between all of them. But yeah beerus more than likely still just stomps freeza unless freeza has another transformation up his sleeve. Or is still training
Ui/UE Gogeta/Vegito completely toy with beerus it’s not even a match.
Ssjb already exceeds beerus.
A surpressed ssjb Gogeta played with broly who is stated to > beerus.
@@Salciiiiii that’s not the case at least not anymore. It was actually stated in manga and in interview with Toyo in the begenning of the granola arc goku and vegeta were number 1 and 2 in the universe as far as power goes and they both know about broly and fought him and know how strong he is. And they agreed that it’s no other mortal that can match them out their. that leads into the plot line of granola wishing to be the strongest and finally surpassing them. And in the manga it’s stated in a brief panel that gogeta had a hard time with full power broly it’s pretty implied since it’s commented that they fused and somehow won or barley won. So honestly even ui goku and ue vegeta would mop blue gogeta and broly at least them from that arc. And black freeza can just casually and probably super suppressed blitz and one shot them like they are trash and this is an even stronger goku in tui a form even above the silver hair form And vegeta who has also been evolving his ue getting stronger through the fight. And beerus is still stronger than even this freeza. He would flick blue gogeta I’m sorry and broly
The text refers to all gods of destruction when talking about Black Frieza.
@@Salciiiiiidid you not pay any attention to the video??? Even a ultra ego instinct gogeta or vegito might not get the job done against beerus
@@Salciiiiii It's been a long time since I read into the marketing for that movie but wording is always kept vague surrounding the power of characters in relation to the Gods of Destruction (Especially any in particular). It's evident Beerus will always be more powerful until the story no longer requires him to be. Considering how much more powerful Goku and Vegeta have become since Battle of Gods and all of the statements made since then (misinterpreted or retconned) Beerus is just immensely more powerful until further notice
I too believe that beerus is still stronger but the difference is much narrower than ever before!
I think it will only take 2 - 3 more arcs to level the playing field.
I think keeping Beerus stronger is smart, I mean he has to be made to train every so often by Whis in order to remain a god of destruction I assume and the fact Frieza's own father told him not to mess with Beerus goes to show he is at a point the no matter how much Frieza trains if he can't defeat two simple saiyans then he will never even come close to Beerus's level
Beers never show his full power yet still intimidating 😮
People easily forget that Goku only possesses 1% of Ultra Instinct. I am sure that if Goku were to accidentally tap into the full potential of Ultra Instinct, like Whis does, he would be able to defeat Black Frieza with just one strike.
They forget because that was never stated
@@Salciiiiii It was in Moro ark
Stop making shitt up lmao
What are you saying Goku was using the full power of ui at the tournament of power, why it looks as if whis is using 100% is because he is an angel not a mortal and not restrained by the output of to much power for example Goku can add kaioken to his ui but the output would be to much for his mortal body to handle leading to his death.
@@kosianams4098Nah whis said when UI is mastered you dont need transformation to access it and it also uses 0 stamina…which means goku will eventualy be able to stack whatever he wants on the top of it
Ngl it makes me mad, frieza’s potential is thé best Ive seen in dragonball
Im surprised that people still put so much thought into making sense of all the power statements we get in and around the series. Dragon Ball never has been consistent about statements of power relations especially in Super. Beerus was introduced to prevent the power creep we got from the original series to be driven into meaninglessness. The problem is it didn’t take them long to use that build up statement about someone surpassing Beerus as an easy way to generate hype at the expense of the narrative. To counter that they indeed made Beerus a moving goalpost. I wouldn’t put so much thought about actually relating power level to each other. The series only concern is the current status quo about who is still relevant and who has the most hype so basically anything could happen as long as it fits the role the characters currently play in the story.
The Grand Priest is looking more & more spooky.
We need to start a “But can he beat Whis tho?” 😂 he’s insanely op
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I don’t see Goku ever surpassing daishinkan tbh, even in the eos unless Goku goes the sun wukong route and has to surpass the top 5 strongest of the multiverse.
Nooo whis can't be surpassed by Goku or Vegeta or even Jiren the only beings with the potential to surpass an angel are the destroyers but that would take millennial of years of training
@@kosianams4098 Goku is already gonna surpass the destroyers as is so that debunks that. As soon as he surpasses black frieza he’ll rival Beerus. The strongest destroyer
@@kosianams4098 I mean to be fair, they did say tht it takes the Gods of destruction thousands of years to learn UI. Goku learned it in 48 mins. And 40 + years I guess lol. But Toriyama said that in the time skip Goku was the strongest in the Universe, and he couldn't get any stronger. Uub in the time skip is at least 12. In the Super manga hes like 4 and gave Goku the ki he needed to Go back to MUI and create the MUI Susanoo, it was so much tht even Ultra Ego vegeta was baffled at the size of the ki orb, Uub is broken. I know it crazy to think about, but Goku can get insanely strong in like 10 years from now( in the manga) it will be amazing to see how Goku gets from being flicked away by Whis, to the point of being able to exchange punches with Whis and even beating him.
Makes sense. Even in the Moro arc, Moro had acquired the powers of Merus, a literal Angel, and then became one with the planet. This dude Beerus was confident he could oneshot that same Moro. He's always been the endgame. He has UI and has hakai energy, both of which Goku and Vegeta are currenty working to refine. It's right there.
He couldn't contain that power if I remember and HAD TO fuse with the Earth. He was pretty much a sitting duck.
Huh? UI? The fk you talking about? Beerus is barely just around Roshi level in UI mastery, which means he can't even be called a Rookie level UI user like Goku is after Moro Arc. It's definitely because of his nature as a GoD that made it extremely difficult for Beerus, and Vegeta for that matter, to even reach Rookie tier mastery of UI which is on the opposite spectrum of UE.
Merus is a Angel trainee which makes him weaker than beerus to start with
@@carnagefreefire based on what exactly?
Still don’t know why we haven’t had more action from beerus. It’s a shame
He is a destroyer Soo if he were to use to much power in a battle the universe could be destroyed so that's one reason why Beerus holds back
Logical and in depth, no bs. i enjoyed this video
Thank you 🙏
It's crazy how people think goku and vegeta with 4 years of god ki and whis training, can rival beerus who is not only an actual god, but one of the strongest in the series (not including the angels) and had centuries of experience with god ki and training with whis
He’s not an actual God lol, even he was shittin himself just the thought of being erased by Zeno, he’s a mortal just like Goku but more powerful
@@Mope333 no he not. He an actual god. Just because zeno is a stronger god than him, doesn't mean anything
@@simpgod2170 but he does contradicts what a “God” is lol, see how that works?
@@simpgod2170 Make it make sense, how you’re an actual God but dying? lol, now how would that look
@@simpgod2170 even being a celestial being is a better term for him
People say beerus is a “moving goalpost” but fail to realize we never knew just how high the goal post was.
This is it 🫡
"Goku is a 6 and Beerus is a 10" that statement after battle of gods caused this whole issue 😂
Bros are complaining why a mortal with a few years training under Whis can't beat an equally if not better mortal prodigy who took up the mantle of God of destruction and trained under the same Whis for millions of years to master every aspect of mind and body in combat.
Goku pre tournament of power and Golden Frieza is the same one post ToP struggled and nearly died against a hakai bubble that Beerus casually blew away like a bath bubble.
Like I’ve been saying beerus is one of those characters who is as strong as you need him to be in that moment of time we have yet to see his true full power
this has been done in dragon ball so damn often.
if someone is stated someone is more powerfull they keep bein more powerfull untill they are beat.