22 MYTHS? Fact or Fiction? Share Your Thoughts...
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- čas přidán 24. 04. 2024
- Throughout the years, every survivalist and prepper has heard tons of different claims and statements made about the capabilities of the 22 long rifle. Let's sort out the fact from the fiction and discuss how the realities of the 22lr cartridge will actually work for us in a survival situation.
I share my thoughts and experiences regarding the commonly repeated 22lr myths. We start with the lethality discussion as the cartridge has been considered by many to be not capable of lethal or self-defense use. We then get into some of the outlandish claims that people make about 22lr such as, "It's been used in more murders than any other cartridge," and so on. Finally, we discuss a 22lr LEGEND, Bella Twin, and where her crazy experience fits in with the 22lr for SHTF debate. Comment down below, pimps! 🥳
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My neighbor is a 70 year old woman, she was attacked by a mountain lion in her driveway. She stopped it with a .22 LR.
She shot it 10 times, the shot that put it down is the one that got between the ribs, and punctured it's lung and heart. Other than that one shot, the other nine did no life threatening damage.
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May 16, 1984 my dad lost his life to 22lr. Shot on right side. Went through the meat of his ribs, clipped his lung and lodged in his heart. It's very possible and is successful if placed in the right location.
The majority of us will have to deal with 2 legged criters within 100 yards
Very true and probably well within that distance. Talking to shouting range I imagine.
@@efficientinthefield agree 100%
you better hope so, and you'd better hide during daylight. and have a silencer, night vision, armor, and subsonic ammo option,
Your by far my favorite survival/prepper youtuber, no fear mongering or any other bs, just good info straight up. keep up the great work man! I think everyone should own at least 1 22lr its great for small game and easy to train new shooters on, I've let many friends/family shoot my 22lrs and its surprising how quick you can get a new shooter to make accurate shots at 50 yards.
🙏 I'll be doing a lot more vids featuring 22lr down the road. It has its place.
Stone cold pimping 22LR video, thank you. Now, let me be up front, I love 22LR and my 617 is still going strong after 32 years but it is not a primary cartridge for SHTF. Y'all can disagree but that is my take on the subject. IF and only IF I could have one firearm for SHTF then maybe. Idunno. Lot's of other variables going into that equation above and beyond the cartridge. Two firearms, then yes, absolutely. Keep the excellent content coming. Much appreciated.
I'm going to do a vid if you only have one and 22lr should be a part of that conversation. 🥳
This is mainly an academic question. In SHTF I’ve got an undisclosed number of firearms and chamberings to chose from for the various tasks. Small game: 22LR. Big game: 30-06. Fast twitchy game: 12 gauge. The most dangerous predators on earth: 5.56.
I see the value in it, but I'm realistic about it. It has a few niche uses. It's also fun.
Perfect! That's the place to be. 👌
@@efficientinthefield it has much more utility if you've got 22lr conversion units for your AR and pistol. Then it's truly a trainer.
@@user-ci2mn1oy3w While that is a valuable use, it still falls under "niche", especially since conversion kits can be finicky with ammo (CMMG recommends a specific grain and copper-plated), and accuracy is not always sufficient for small-game hunting. I'm currently deciding between the kit and a dedicated .22lr upper, myself.
@@user-ci2mn1oy3w 100% had it for years in my AR’s. But recently got a henry for fun factor.
@@user-ci2mn1oy3w I agree with this. 👌
I used to be a big 22lr fan, but once I was able to get behind some different guns and different calibers, I've lost my faith in the 22lr, if I have to use rimfire I prefer 22wmr or 17hmr/wsm. But I prefer center fire cartridges with speed and mass now
My uncle killed a guy with a 22 at 60 yards estimated by police shot straight through the heart they said the guy was dead before he hit the ground lethal enough it got him 45 years
Keep em coming. Love the vids. Dope 💨
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Subbed to your channel for the 22 LR info, Very interested in more upcoming videos on 22 LR. I own a Henry 22 Lever action and it’s my go too if I had to pick just one gun for shtf. Good video would be be the different 22 ammo brands too. I love to use CCI Ammo. Thanks for the info
There will be a lot more coming about SHTF, 22lr, if you could take just one, etc.
Hearing the word “pimps” from you is like when those guys used the word “ homie” (referring to Chris moltisanti) to Richie Aprile. Love the channel, though.
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I was always much more impressed with the performance of 22 mag out of a rifle than 22lr .
the 22lr isent my main gun but i think it would be a gun to have to help fill in the gap when the 223 is to much gun for rabbits and birds but i have no bug out plan i plan to bug in so long as we dont have to leave home i will have my hunting guns for the bigger game but for a shtf the 22lr is much more quieter then any other rounds i own and at times like that quiet might be needed and at that time the snares will be out by the dozens
Great video, as always!
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I know 4 guys who've shot themselves in the legs. 2 with .45 ACP and 2 with 22 rimfire, one was a short. The 22 hits put guys in the hospital for a week, the .45 guys were on crutches the next day and FINE in a couple of weeks. The 22 short guy hit his ankle, trying to fast draw with an old style Ruger Single six and it shattered in his ankle, They told him he might never walk right again. 50 years ago, this was but he recovered fully. Both 45 guys hit only the flesh of their thigh muscle.
Shot placement trumps all other metrics.
Heres one plus .. the usefulness of this is very situationaly dependent but subsonic 22 with a supressor especially out of a bolt action is insanely quiet now it basically requires a headshot on anything bigger than a rabit but if you are skilled with the rifle and muzzle report is an issue you arent gonna get that level of quiet out of anything but a bow maybe
I keep having this recurring dream in which I’m naked and playing a couples game of poker with efficient in the field. Not strip poker. I’m just naked. But instead of chips we’re using 22lr cartridges to place bets. Weird.
I'm down for that game as long as I can film it and stick it on CZcams. 😆
Anything for the views right? Would it be alright if I put a shemagh over my Willie?
I would like to see snare and trap types/uses.
It's on the list. 👍
Great video. I have an old Mossberg 40 22lr smooth bore that is 70+ years old that I will only hunt small game with if at all. I have supremely accurate 22 mag Marlin 872 that I mostly hunt small to medium game with. The 30 06 is for big game and sniper take down. The 12 gauge semi auto is for 75 yards to up close and personal for "F U for trying to raid me A hole!" and bird shot for ducks and turkey. I have not decided which AR15 and AR10 I want to buy as of yet. Time is running out... Again, I appreciate you.
Doesn't matter what you buy so long as it's a good barrel. Everything else can be changed extremely easy with hand tools and CZcams tutorials
I’m a big fan of .22LR for game hunting personally. BUT if you’re talking noise report reduction, .22LR with a nice suppressor can’t be beat as far as firearms for hunting. Setup correctly, all you’ll hear is the action cycling and it’s good out to 200yd MAX. Where .22LR falls very short is reliability across the board. I’ve used everything from cheap af thunderbolt ammo all the way to CCI match rounds and have had failures from every brand used at some point or another. For me in a serious SHTF scenario where all your animals are dead, no more meat being produced on the farm at all etc…..22LR would not be what I grab to get that job done when my family is hungry and desperate. Imagine you’re out there and you spot a deer inside 200yds with a .22lr on you and you have a miss fire and the deer’s gone. I would’ve really been wishing I had my .300WinMag in that moment that has never misfired once. For day to day when I’m harvesting for surplus and not need, .22LR is awesome. But if it came down to it in desperation….something else is probably wiser of a choice.
When I was in high school a kid went on a joy rod in his step dads truck and killed 5 deer in town with the 22 that was in it. I don’t know how much he shot but we all saw the deer and the game warden when they came to arrest him
Eh, I'm more a fan of 22 wmr than 22lr, But I'll admit 22lr makes for a decent utility cartridge.
Just a decent low power cartridge that's quite plentiful and not all that loud, That can be used when a larger caliber would be wasted.
But it's far from a primary caliber in the shtf scenario. Tertiary maybe, Although that's just my rambling way of looking at it.
I can't disagree with your logic here.
The Army says 60 ft lbs or the piercing of a (real, not 3/4") 1" thick pine board is "minimally lethal". They established that with a .25ACP, which has often failed to pierce the temple on suicide attempts. I personally know of a case where a .32 PPK failed, too. The guy had to have a bunch of his temple-bone removed, but he was ok. There's a HUGE difference in performance between a 22lr RIFLe barrel, 120 ft lbs and the 70 ft lbs you get from a 3" pistol barrel. Stingers up that to 160 ft lbs from a rifle barrel, but dont increase power at all from a short pistol barrel barrel. Regular "high speed" 22lr is subsonic, sub 1000 fps from a pistol barrel that's 6" or shorter. The blunt, soft lead 22lr bullet loses velocity swiftly. What it will do from a rifle at 5 ft (ie, pierce the forehead of a big beef bull) and what it will do at 50m (wont reliably pierce the temple) varies a lot. Do NOT expect a 22lr to penetrate a man's forehead from a shorty barreled pistol, at a mere 6 ft, because it often will not. Youoll have to hit the eye sockets, sinus cavities, or the medully, after piercing the teeth.
Amazing you did all that at 4yrs old.
The summer before I turned five, I mowed tons of lawns all over the neighborhood for $5 a pop. The handle to the push mower was just a tad higher than my head. I bought myself an Atari, Missile Command, and Centipede at the end of that summer. 🥳 Gen X baby.
@efficientinthefield the last of a dying bread. Real Americans. The old man had us hunting in such at 6. My son started shooting at 5. And riding quads. These kids nowadays are softer than pig shit and it shows.
I think the myth that 22 LR has taken out more people than any other cartridge, is because the people making the claim are looking at the year the cartridge came out in 1887 and the fact that it has been cheap and affordable for almost everyone. They look at those facts and just decide that it has taken out the most people even though there is no proof
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Love some 22lr but I just picked up a Rossi semi auto 22mag. Actually my first one. My dad has an old marlin bolt action I shot a lot as a kid but this is my first. so far I’m digging it. Ammo is a bit more obviously but not too bad. I picked up two 125rd boxes of cci 40gn jhp today for $55. Actually plan on doing some testing tomorrow of those 40gn jhp magnums against the 32gn cci stinger for the lr. I’ve actually never shot the stinger over the chronograph so I’m going to find out tomorrow. The box says 1630fps for the stinger and 1850fps for the cci jhp mag. Really don’t think there’s much more the 22mag can do besides maybe have a range advantage
When you get this light in grain weights, grains really begin to matter. A 40 grainer has a 25% mass advantage over the 32 grainer and it's going faster. It won't matter much on small creatures, but you'll definitely get less penetration with the 32.
@@efficientinthefield yea no doubt heavier faster will always hit harder but at the end of the day I don’t think it’s that big of a difference between the two to justify the cost of the 22mag ammo. I just wanted one lol. They both will make a squirrel rabbit or any other small game just as dead as the other 😁. The 22mag will just extend the range is really the main benefit. Seems like a sweet little rifle though for $300. Takes 10 round mags. I’ve only put a few rounds through it but so far seems pretty accurate and reliable
Ive never understood why people choose a 22lr as a doomsday hunting rifle. A single shot 12 gauge will take all game in north america more efficiently, and you can get the caliber adapters to shoot other ammunition if 12 gauge is hard to find. The only thing 22 has going for it is its quiet and has lighter ammo. 12 gauge has the self defense bonus too if if youre ar15 goes down. Its just a more versatile weapon for woodland environments
I would probably pick a 22 lr if shtf and l had to travel a long distance on foot in a semi hurry. Not much time to snare and have to keep moving.Looking for any opportunity to shoot small game on the way. Of course that is hopefully an unlikely scenario.
Set up snares in the morning before bed and check them at night before you get moving. You'll have meat. 🥳
@@efficientinthefield I actually just bought some wire and crimps. I'm going to start practicing 👍
Alaska State Trooper investigation…. Lady killed a big polar bear with a .22lr, when asked how, she stated shot placement. She shot the bear in the ear at 42 feet. One shot.
Do a video about 6.5 Grendel and Creedmoor. My 12 grendel is great to 400, 27in at 400 4in at 300.
The round is not there, it is sad to think people would choose this round for hunting anything larger than rabbit .. I have shot (no BS) 100s of groundhogs. squirrels and rabbits with 22lr. This being said it still is my last choice for shtf ... look at foot pounds and ballistics .. even the figures agree... also no you really can not reload it... good video bud ... got us talking
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A 400 yard shot with 22 lr.??? We’ve got iron plates we know down with center fire pistols at 15 feet that 22 lr barely even nudges! 😂 you can barely even hear the impact!
Yep. I've heard it so many times it's insane.
Considering everything stated...... Even recently posted videos by other CZcamsrs talking about ballistics of this round and fmjs suck for this round blah blah blah.Given the testicular fortitude of most "not all" of the people listening to this, are going to cry "Momma" if they were to get hit with any round
.22lr and up. A lot of V-ginas these days. "Not excluding myself" for the record.....
22 short's been around since the civil war, 22lr since about 1880 or so That's a lot of years ahead of the 1908 9mm, 1911 .45. 1937 357. and a lot, lot more guns are chambered in 22lr than any other caliber. Millions and millions more, especially when you leave out longarms.from the consideration. Longarms are rarely used either defensively or offensively, in non-military applications. So the "handgun only' classification DOES make sense in this case I'd say it's QUITE likely that the 22lr has killed more people than any other pistol rd, in non-military applications.
I built a 1022 this year, put a 6-24x50 on it. Is it accurate enough to hurt someone at 400? Yea you can hit the critter you want with my rifle out to maybe 500, but theblast time I tried it was a not a success on the half size steel siloute at 400. I was trying for the head an neck but mostly hit shoulders an upper torse. At 200 maybe 300 I could see it being more likely, accuracy wise but the energy loss would be substantial to get that far out
22 is fine for small games, sure.. this day and age there probably isn't, but 1 one in a thousand people capable accurate of making those shots
What are your thoughts on the gsg though? (I know, as a secondary tool) Thank you.
I haven't used one, I can't give a report on it.
@@efficientinthefield okay. Thank you for responding anyways. Good channel.
I thought Bella used a .22 short, or .22 long, I don't think it was even a .22lr. And I don't want to meet a grizzly with a 12 guage much less a .22. I also think .22 mag is a much better round for smaller predators like coyotes. Like .22lr, .22 mag is often under estimated. That said I don't want to be shot by either of them. Neither would be my first choice for self defense. I live in the land of the golden hoard, I would rather have something like a 12 guage, or an AR 10 to deal with threats.
My wife will only shoot a .22 though. So if I have to carry it out on foot, I would rather have something she can/will shoot if possible. No-one can be on watch 24-7.
And honestly my problem is going to be getting somewhere with water, long before I am worried about putting food on the table. So for us building a community will probably be more important than hunting.
3-5 hits for 5.56? I’m no expert AT ALL, but really? I’ve heard these stories about green tips during war, but using vmax or heavy bthp, would that still be the expectation within 200 yards let’s say. If so, that’s damn near what I’d call anemic. That’s quite a few hits.
There's plenty of dudes out there talking about it. Dudes that put a lot of people down. I just heard two vets talking about it yesterday. One was using 77 grainers and said it was a crap shoot. If he got head shots, game over. He tells the story of a guy he shot multiple times and he kept getting up, crawling, etc. Had to hit him like 7 times. They agreed that 308 was a whole different ball game.
@@efficientinthefield I saw that vid! And I also saw the vid where the guy got shot in the calf! 😂
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by definiton, guys, NO myth is true. That's why whatever myth you are discussing is not ture. If it WAS true, at least sometimes, it would not BE a myth.