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He was probably the best villain in the Chibnall era. He sent chills down my spine every time he appeared.
He's not exactly competing with much.
@Michael Troll
@@Jumpyman_thegamerYT i have a different opinion to them so they must be a troll
@Michael Quite the brass neck to call other people "bots" when you've posted literally 30 comments in the past hour trolling and insulting other people. Personally, I find it amusing that Thirteen and Chibnall so obviously live rent-free in your head.
@MichaelI hope to God you don't reproduce.
I absolutely loved Ashad as a villain! He was played with such menace and so much more deadly than possibly any other foe, especially the regular Cybermen. Look at that long one-shot rampage he did through UNIT HQ in "The Power of the Doctor"! Plus, it's chilling when he's called "The Cyberman who makes other Cybermen scream!" I sincerely hope he's somehow brought back again someday. Full credit to the actor who plays him.
Well the script does sort of say he survived the electrocution. The building collapses but... well, it leaves it open for him to return.
That was a clone
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul Yes, but in effect it is him back.
And kind of the Cybernen's equivalent of Davros! 🤖👾😎👌👍
@@alexhenderson1312 lumic, except he's dead unlike davros
Fun fact: in the Power of the Doctor script, Ashad was revealed to still be alive and is currently buried alive under UNIT HQ. Hopefully he comes back.
@Michael agreed
@Michael I usually disagree with the blind hatred garble you comment on every single Doctor Who video related to the Chibnall Era but in this case I agree with you.
@Michael For the most part yes but elements like Sacha Dhawan's Master, the Fugitive Doctor, and of course Ashad were genuinely great elements I hope to come back with better writing. I also think RTD needs to address whatever the heck happened in Flux and whether or not the Universe is okay.
@@joelmole3157 I agree with this statement. Excluding the fugitive doctor. Let another timelord be a fugitive, the fugitive makes little sense as it refers back to the timeless child, immortal god doctor.
@@joelmole3157 I really don’t like the fugitive doctor bc of the whole timeless child idea. I really feel like it ruins the whole point of the time war and really the doctors character as a whole if he/she is a messiah. I think being an ordinary time lord forced to make a terrible decision who then becomes essentially lost in space and time fits the character much better than a messiah that was destined to do and be those things.
Knowing not only the villain, but also the story that took place in the past allows us to look from the character's point of view, I wish I could say the same for the villains that often appear.
I've realized many Doctor Who villains aren't hugely scary when there are a lot of them. The scale is pushed out and it feels less important.
For example, Daleks aren't really scary when there are hundreds of them.
But 1 dalek when the narrative scale is pushed in? Terrifying. Same thing with this cyberman.
Cybermen also work differently in large numbers vs in few: A large number of cybermen isn't an issue, it's a conflict. There are hordes to fight off, and they operate by broad daylight.
Few cybermen? They hide, they bide their time, They abduct in small enough numbers it won't trigger the red flags.
And the most terrifying part: you can't do a "good enough" job with cybermen. They all are equipped with tools and materials to make more. Not as efficiently as the factories they build when they are many, but still. You have to eliminate every single one of them.
And even then, destroy every single piece of equipment. Because someone being grafted a piece of cybermen tech, or plugging it in a computer, may reactivate it and start the cycle anew.
Cybermen are terrifying in that they are much zombie-like: They are a plague, and you can't ever be sure you didn't miss one. That there isn't one hidden in an abandoned basement, that one forensic doctor didn't keep a gauntlet "taking every safety measures to ensure it won't be reactivated".
The trope you are looking for is Conservation of Ninjutsu.
A single ninja is an elite unstoppable killing machine.
A horde of ninjas are a bunch of easily killed mooks.
So, I do totally agree. But this isn't a Dr Who thing, this is a general rule.
First, the horde of ninjas is a great example, but I think it can be made even easier.
Star wars. Stormtroopers kill a non-zero amount of protagonists. Probably honestly as much as the main villains.
But they're just faceless masses. If you don't have some uniquity, hordes of enemies is fundamentally not impactful.
One ship facing three is as dramatic as one ship facing three hundred, the only difference being that if its only three, we can *know* things about those three.
Its Luke facing the Entire Empire, but distilled into Palpatine and Vader. The effect is the same, but the spectacle is personal, and personal will always be more impactful than impersonal.
A war doesn't feel real, but one soldier's experience can
The Daleks do manage to be intimidating in large numbers back in Parting of the Ways, the first time we see Daleks in that quantity in New Who. I think it helped that they were surprisingly silent (not as many verbal telegraphs of what their next move is) and unstoppable until the very end -- gives a far more effective sense of their being a genuine threat.
I just love Ashad’s voice.
I love how there are STILL Cybus Industries cybermen still around, reminding everyone that the 2005-2010 era was the best of all time
Haven't seen the classic series then?
Technically there not cybus. They are our universe versions as they have no C logo on the chest.
@minicle426 2005-2010 may have been great, but they're overrated
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul to some people they can be Just like bronze daleks. And to others they are favourite designs. Everyone has a preference wich is cool 😎
@@Djayscratcher98 its okay to have a preference, just don't make it the best design ever
What I enjoyed about Chibnall's cybermen was how he depicted conversion like it was a religous experience. Ashad best distilled this with his willingness to be converted.
I hope RTD and future writers capitalise on this cult like aspect because the cybermen of the modern era in my opinion have lacked a personality being relogated to robots.
But they ARE robots. They're not supposed to have personalities. They're simply there to serve and convert.
@@daniellelawman9724I disagree: cybermen are not robots. Behind the metal there is still a human. Yes, the human has been turned into a monster, stripped of its personality, emotions, and motivations. But that desire to survive at all costs is fundamentally organic - as is the desire to upgrade others; to take away people's pain in a twisted way, to relieve them from the suffering of the flesh through cyber-conversion.
Now what we really need is the two big finish seasons of Cyberman as a TV Series.
If done well it would be really good.
Ashad remains one of the most terrifying Cybermen concepts ever devised, yet brilliantly designed and portrayed. Not just in Series 12, but also in The Power of the Doctor! 💥
On a whole, I really didn't like this era, but I agree Ashad is easily one of its highlights.
@@yehiahuzayyin7972 Agreed 💯👍
Brilliantly designed? bro it makes no sense
"You will be like us" was proper scary as well. Great stuff
Best development of the Cyberman idea in years. Woulda loved more about him but there’s always big finish ig
@Michael And yet none of that is true and you know it.
@Michael Shut up troll
@Michael I don't care, he was fun to watch
@Michael did you read WOULD HAVE LOVED MORE ABOUT HIM? Or not?
Doctor Who should do a story called The War of the Cyberman. Basically it would include the Mondassian, Cybus Industies, Cyber Masters and whatever else version is out there go to war where everyone loses and new cyber race is born from the ashes
Love the idea but BBC would not do it, I fear.
Kinda seems like they are gearing up for a cyber time war.
BBC would never go with that but I love that concept of only the strongest will win
Ashad was actually terrifying
@Michael Dude stop, its people's opinion.
@@vectorzz6396bro why are you freaking out about peoples opinion?
:/
Probably ended up in the doll house with Tegan's aunt.
Que the Mirs Nesbitt scene from Toy Story only with Ashad instead of Buzz
The Chibnall era of Doctor Who had its problems for sure, but it had its gems too...
@Michael Look, I don't like the era either and I know you are a troll (judging by how rude you are to others) but could you just... stop being mean to people
Because they are people with opinions and not the ones destroying your show? I hate the chibnall era a lot, but that doesn’t mean I’m gonna be bitter towards someone else who might’ve found some enjoyment from it. That’s just petty and childish
@Michael Ngl this conversation shows one of the main cracks of this fandom. Any mention of the Chibnall/Whittaker era eventually devolves into one mad commenter trying to defend the era whilst another mad commenter attacks them (and vice versa).
"Are you the guardian?" is still etched into my brain
I love to see Ashad get made into a Funko Pop and a Lego minifigure. Patrick O'Kane gave a menacing performance as Ashad.
Or better still for Character Options making an Ashad figure (even better if they release it as a Cyberman three pack with a Cybe-Warrior and a Cyber-Master)
@@BMakabre A Funko Pop of Ashad would have been cool. Worth adding to my Cyberman Funko Pop.
He was such a good villain! I also enjoyed seeing the Weeping angels again in 'Village of the Angels'!
@@bookcollector538 🤣🤣
@Michael Stop confusing your opinion with facts.
@Michael It's not facts if many people enjoyed Ashad as a villain and would love to see him return. Stop altering the facts to fit your views. The Fourth Doctor wouldn't approve.
Eh I felt like the weeping angels episode was the worst out of their four stand alone episodes. It didn’t feel like it really did anything new with them as it just used elements introduced in their past episodes. And while it’s not the fault of the episode itself, the fact that the cliff hanger of Jodie becoming an Angel is just immediately resolved and forgotten about two seconds into the next episode is laughably bad writing.
He had so much potential and lived up to it in Haunting, but all of it was squandered in the next two episodes and when he returned for Power, he was just a generic Cybermen general
Ashad is really an awesome concept, not sure if we get these kinds of villains much in Doctor Who.
This guy is Uber Jason but done right, if ya know ya know.
Doctor Who should tackle slasher types like this more often.
Honestly this is the best reference to Ashad
So Robotic.
I'm not talking about the Cybermen, just the rest of the cast.
Like Daleks and Sontarans, there will always be Cybermen. He'll be back.
This video maybe a hint of his return in 2023? Hmm
Would love to see him, or more Cybermen similar to him show up again. His design is what all Cybermen should look like.
Somewhere between him and the Jim Henson company design from Dark Universe. Transparent plastic over a flayed skull because METAL!
@Michaeldo you just sit there refreshing waiting for comments to come through so you can reply to them
@Michaelgo get a job or something
@Michael bit embarrassing that you have had to make a new account because this channel blocked the other one
@Michael lol. Your an embarrassment
Ashad left me asking questions.
Who was he?
Did he choose to be a Cyberman?
Who did he lose?
Was he always the villain he made himself to be?
Or was he just a man that lost too much?
So many questions about this interesting character
I wish we got more of him in the timeless children, he was great in the previous two episodes. And then he became the master cloned puppet
Yeah , like every time the master shows up , he takes over the narrative , causing the other monsters to become just minions of him which can be annoying.
For me it killed the tension of Death in Heaven.
@@martinmorles1 I’d still say Death in Heaven is the worst example of it. At least In the Doctor Falls, Power of the Doctor & to a lesser extent the timeless children the cybermen are a capable threat & somewhat independent from the Master. In Death in Heaven they’re Missy’s minions who don’t do anything
@@BH-98 but that was also the first time the master appeared and overshadowed the cybermen. Using cybermen as a one off for a master story is fine, it’s a nice extra background threat to raise stakes, but giving the master the lead in every cybermen story since feels like a mistake. At least in WEAT/ POTD they still get quite a showcase and we get the Cybermasters in TCE to at least give a reason to continue intertwining all their stories
@@tommyhickin4669 Yeah I agree with you there. Hopefully they’ll get the message & stop pairing them up. Especially after the timeless children where it was the 3rd finale to do this. I was honestly kind of surprised the Cybermen had a decent showing & got some good screen time in power of the Doctor.
@@BH-98 i feel like quite a lot of people are sick of seeing the cybermen but out of the big 3 theyre the only ones I'd happily see come back (as long as its just them) because despite them getting stories like every 2 series it still feels to me like we dont see much of them because they rarely do their own thing. I'm hoping for the next rise of the cybermen/ age of steel. A big multi-part story all about them. Though i dont mind if theyre benched either if its not for too long
Hope he comes back such a iconic Cyberman
@Michael Then what is an iconic Cyberman?
@@fireflygaming8764 cyber-controller/John lumic from the rise of the cybermen and the age of steel
Omg i love ashad with a passion hes so cool and well upon reading the script from TPOTD he could come back? Only time will tell.
I'd definitely like to see him as a Cyberman equivalent to Davros. Sort of completing the unholy triad.
Could’ve been so much more. In Diodati he was awesome but then was wasted sadly. The one Chibnall monster I want back
fully agree, it would've been perfect to see ashad get proper exploration and depth.
Ashad and Swarm are two of my favourite things to come out of Chibnall's run. Very solid ideas, unfortunately they just weren't rounded off well.
You wonder how Swarm would have turned out if not for Covid.
that's an mtg card!
I would love The Lone Cybermen to have his own Big Finish Box set
If only ashad and his legion of cyber sentinels were in the smith or capaldi era would've been a way better pairing
Cybermasters, but better designs added
Such a good villain, they can’t possibly not bring him back
Here's a thought. So Unit HQ is now a tomb full of "dead" cybermen in the basement along with Ashad. Remember Ashad recharges his power packs via electricity/ lightning. So in a future series they could bring him back this way.
I agree with others on here tho, he was relegated as a side villain,he should of had more time on screen.hes the only good thing to come out of the shitball era.
This is the last one with 13/Jodie saying the subscribe message 😢 but it’s fever dreamish in a good way to see 14 saying it
"I did spare you baby ... because he was a useless runt - sticky and weak! " Lol
I loved Ashad. An interesting take on the Cybermen combining everything that has made them scary over the years
"What if something came here that wasn't supposed to and caused a major disturbance?"
"...You mean like yourself?"
a cyberman that cant even breakdown a door? T1000 would be rolling in his grave. 😂😂😂
Every scene with him was masterpiece.
@Michael Said no real fan ever.
@Michael I don't see any sense here other than toxic acid.
@Michael Nope. “No” was the correct word there.
@Michael said no real fans ever *
@Michael Troll
Now that's what i call an inner conflict
The concept of Ashad was such a good one and had some good moments, but like most things in the Chibnall era it didn't reach it's full potential.
now that's what I call an inNER CONFLICT
Big Finish, please make 'Cyberman series' style audios detailing Ashad.
@Michael get real
@Michael come up with an objective definiton for "real doctor who fan"
@Michael A few problems with that.
One: I said objective. Without any justification, saying an era "destroyed" the show is subjective. I've seen people argue the 6th and 7th doctor's eras destroyed the show, and I've seen people argue that the revival as a whole destoyed the show.
Two: You do not need to like an era as a whole to appreciate parts of it. Your definition doesn't explain your first reply.
Three: Surely anyone who loves and respects Doctor Who would believe the show can recover, no matter how bad they think an era was? Your definition contradicts your behaviour.
I don't think "all real doctor who fans" actually care if it happens or not.
@Michael the fact you are replying to every comment that supports this era just shows how immature and disgraceful you truly are.
“Lone cyberman “ surrounded by other cybermen
"You act like such a lonely man when you've got the biggest family on earth"
Im actually hoping that this character comes back in new who and am excited for 2023 doctor who :D
Im whistling the cyberman theme
Ashad is the only character I want to see more of in the future from the Chibnall era.
One of the best characters to come from the Chibnall era!
Such a cool villain. I really wish he could have actually been the main threat of series 12 instead of shoehorning the Timeless Child narrative in on top of it and having the Master directly upstage him.
I love the Doctor's explanation of the Cybermen.
In rewatching this, it makes the Cyber Lords more tragic than scary as they're just tools of the Master.
God Ashad was such a great villain, he had such a frightening presence.
that line of slid children's throats is so dark !
@Michael who hurt you?
@@harvestercommander3250 he just wants to shit on the Whitaker era cause he's salty don't bother.
Like a monster straight out of something from Frictional Games.
Seems like a really nice, jolly fella.
He looks epic
This was one of the few rewatchable episodes of the Chibnall era.
Many of the others I just can't get through a second time. There is always something annoying, non-canon or plot stupid that makes it less enjoyable for me.
Consolation being that clip of Chibnall as a kid where he calls his future self out.
Anyone wants to blame Whitaker either doesn't understand that actors don't write their stories, or they need to watch her in Broadchurch and other things she's acted in.
She is a great actor. Chibnall is a thick writer.
Funny, given Chibnall created Broadchurch.
What story is this clip from?
we neeeeeeed new season pleases
ashad is just springtrap without the bunny
Why does he cut the cyberman open with the drill
i still remember the old Daleks and the old Cyberman.....
You can tell 13 still remebers losing Bill to cyber conversion... 😢
Could this video be a sign that Ashad is returning?
In the original PoTD script Ashad survived.
I really, really didn't like this era, but even I'll admit that Ashad is easily the coolest thing to happen to the Cybermen since their introduction.
Agreed, Ashad was a really interesting villain. Honestly I didn't even finish watching all of Flux because I just stopped caring, which is a shame, because I grew up watching Dr. Who, and my family has watched through all of it, but now I have lost interest in the show because the writing of some of the stories and the companions was just quite shallow and boring. I can't tell you how many times I've gone back and re-watched episodes again and again, but I don't think I've re-watched anything from this era. I did like Graham a lot, but then they got rid of him. The other companions were cool too, but I felt like their writing was boring, and I never really cared much about what they were doing. Even the Doctor's personality just felt like a combination of 10 and 11... 13 didn't really bring anything to the character that we haven't seen before, besides being a woman, which I don't think is enough to make up for the lack of unique personality traits. I'm pretty sure Russel T. Davies is coming back to write for the show, but honestly I lost my faith in Dr. Who, so I really hope the next seasons knock it out of the park.
@@LtCdrXander next season will bring fans new and old alike the drought is over
@LtCdrXander What really saddens me about Chibnall's era is that it was clearly a labor of love. You can tell that these people really did care about what they were doing. They just... weren't the right people for the job. And the Timeless Child mess was just the final nail in the coffin.
@@yehiahuzayyin7972 indeed.
@@LtCdrXander Honestly, one of the things I'd have liked to see was an anti-heroic Master for a change. Someone who wants to help the Doctor but does it in ways she wouldn't approve of, but she'd still appreciate the effort. If only so we don't see all of Missy's development go down the drain.
There are some people theorizing that he might come back from the dead with upgrades and try to purge the old Cyberman to make way for the new order and declare war on all of existence.
Just a through a few of my old friends, thought of when talking about the show and the possibilities of the 15th doctor, and how it might be a dark story with a more serious tone.
"The greatest . . . thing you'll ever learn . . . is just to love and be loved in retuuuUUUUURRRNNN"
2:31
13: "I will not lose anyone else to that!"
*Next episode brings 3 human companions into the Cyber Wars*
“I’ve been so reckless with you.”
Then every scene with them is “I’m doing this alone” “no Doctor we’re coming with you” repeated
Shut up
How much was the episode
Very
ASHAD WAS SO GREAT.
Man he looks cool
His theme is sick too
4:50 the cyberman says he's better than men
but the youtube caption says "I am Batman"
I love the new logo!
I wish they has capled baxk to Mr. Clever, imagine, the cybriad reactivating what was left in the doctors head, just ticking away, and then, bam, hes back...
And keep upgrade in progress... Also keep the previous designs because these new ones looked dull and boring
I still can’t believe the best cyber man in New WHO came from this Era and then he just ended up being under-utilised
Pls big finish do something with this character one day
I wish I was ashad so the Master would ask me to show a little leg :(
So, why exactly he was rejected by the Cybermen?
Hey BBC! Release 'Torchwood: Absent Friends'
These few cyberman episodes were by far the best episodes the 13th did
You know what probably wouldve helped here? A weapon of some kind 😅
7:27 uhhhh... the doctor forgot the rules of time travel that the tenth doctor said..
Probably the biggest waste of potential after his debut episode
I’ve met him irl!
Alright Fine! i will watch Doctor Who Again
Bro why is everyone saying Michael. Can someone explain?
Cool design, cool voice and a talented actor. Shame the script is awful. Even the concept that a rogue Cybermen with a few emotions left in is a neat idea
why does he have a face? the cybermen where always just brains in jars in metal suits
They weren't
Something went wrong during his conversion process, so he's only partially converted.
Nope that actually is more of a new who thing, Cybermen up until their head was fully incased in a helmet, were told to have their face and skin under their metal helmets. In some of the older ones, some of them you can see their bottom jaw, just painted silver.
@@rikkisan1just like the cybermen when they started saying
Destroy them! Destroy them at once!
"That is a lone cyberman"
What does that even mean? Cybermen are sometimes encountered individually. It sounds like that was put in the script for marketing purposes.
He was wasted in power of the doctor
Cybermen vs Adeptus Mechanicus. Who wins?
As much as I love the Cybermen, the AM would win out. Keep in mind they fight heavily against the Necrons which we know is WAY WAY above the Cybermen. Although ironic considering the Necrons are also heavily influenced by the Cybermen (They literally sleep in underground tombs). So in a way...the Cybermen win...kinda...im like super high and that took me for a loop
for me, the most epic Doctor Who villian ever.
They wasted the character of Weeping Angel for something nonsense, they used to say that the Weeping Angel enemy was one of the strongest enemies in the universe but they just showed it again and backed off, Doctor unnecessarily turned into a weeping angel, it's back to normal in the next episode, they're already bringing their Dalek enemies back and forth every time and There's not even a proper reason for it, plus I've never seen the Daleks hostile properly anyways they just come and go for fun or disappear because of some nonsense and show up again because of something ridiculous, Sontarans can't even be used as villains anyway because they just shot for the sake of filming There is no reason for them to exist in the series, if you say the character of Master, no enemy can replace him in the series anyway, but for me, Ashad is the most epic villain with his appearance and according to the current seasons.
he was boss
❤❤❤
Cyberman vrs the borg who would win?
There’s a comic where they team up actually
@@RageUnchained And the Cybermen backstab the borg
@@rikkisan1proving to be superior
The problem with these last few seasons has been that the show has sort of stagnated. The problem that any long running show like this has is that there is a risk of the stories becoming more confused and insane simply as a means of trying vainly to generate new material. The only issue is that the companions, the storylines, and even the overall universe have become confused and yet still dull.
Personally I would have said the next way to go would be to stop reusing old characters, monsters, and stories and instead look at a future universe. Start looking at the rise of humanity and the beginning of some sort of great colonial endeavour for mankind. A fresh start with a fresh universe that has a tangible and reasonably coherent (as far as Doctor Who has ever had) storyline.
Stop making the show about any sort of wokeism, social change for the current era we live in, and forced humour. This isn’t Star Trek, social morality and change wasn’t part of its original foray. It’s niche was more sci-fi with various emotions and entertainment thrown in.
Hence the major changes that just took place with Chibbnal out. I would just like the Doctor to finally get to be a ginger !
It would be nice if the daleks and Cybermen were given a vacation and the krotons, slitheen, voord, and other classic and one time characters be given the spotlight
Ma boi
I can’t believe they named their villain asshat
The only good part to come from the 13th doctor. Brilliant
First. But anyways who doesn't love the cybermen
13th doctor: what,why,who,when how ?
The villain explains their master plan
13th doctor: ohhhh ohhhh ohhhhh
Is it just me who just doesn’t like the fact the cybermen are just people in suits for this doctor? They don’t feel scary anymore rather than brains in suits designed to be human-like? And the fact they show their face 🤷♂️
The Cybermen have always been just people in suits, that's the idea of them. The only thing that changes is how much is recognizably people. The Cybus versions were people in suits, just slightly more... shredded. It's what I've always liked about them, each era/version is a different type of horror
@@wabbawastaken yeah but for me it’s more scary knowing there were people rather than seeing them as actors in a metal suit. Makes it more of a suit than part of their body. Idk that’s my opinion
@@chesterlester5770 I think to truly show what a cyberman like Ashad would look like without it looking like someone in a suit, Doctor Who would need to up its age rating.
Probably the only good part of the Chibnall era.