The SAC Museum moved in 1998. Its now the Strategic Air Command & Aerospace Museum, just off I-80 near Ashland (Exit 426). Same exit as Mahoney State Park and Wildlife Safari Park. Also, has 1 of 4 remaining B-36s and one of the best SR-71 displays you'll ever see. Really worth seeing!
This experiment was not a failure-it was confirmation a different approach was necessary for long range escort. It helped lead to aerial refueling as the doctrine, and the US still leads the world in this art.
Ron you took the words right out of my mouth, regarding the expression on the ground support man's face. I'm sitting here thinking "He looks like he's asking the test pilot if he is really going to fly this thing," right before you said it. Also, I guess Mr. McDonnell's penchant for naming aircraft after supernatural creatures continued after the Goblin. "Banshee," "Voodoo, "Phantom," and whatever others I'm forgetting.
I highly recommend visiting the USAF museum in Dayton Ohio. You will see this F85 and many other fascinating aircraft, engines, weapons and historic displays.
I have visited it many times over the last 50 years and have seen a lot of changes. On my last visit our local SETP (Society of Experimental Test Pilots) group had an after hours event where we got inside a number of aircraft. The B-36 was especially interesting!
For a while in the late1960s one of these was outside the Movieland of the Air Museum at the Orange County Airport. Rather remarkable that both have survived.
SAC Museum is out off I 80 west, Asland NE. It moved before I got here in 01. Although there were several pieces still on the Offutt ramp until they raise enough money to move them.
I can’t imagine how anemic the engines would have been too in 1948. The spool time would have been a challenge and avoiding too much grunt while trying to settle on the trapeze must have been like coasting down a hill in idle and trying to parallel park.
Why did the word "contraption" keep coming to mind while watching this? Another fascinating snippet from aviation history. Thanks. Nitpicking here by a St. Louis area native, but I believe it's McDonnell, not McDonald. 😉
There's a colorized Steve Canyon TV episode called "Operation Zero Launch" on CZcams that's all about the F-100 rocket launch trials, including failures. Dramatized for TV of course. All Steve Canyon episodes are great, as he flies everything in the inventory. Further, if you wish to see more of old Edwards flight testing, I'd suggest "Toward the Unkown" with William Holden.
Oh, and as far as getting that hook out of the way if you had to eject, well, from the looks of it, if the pilot didn't get it out of the way then he wouldn't be having any more children, LOL!
I have a vague memory of seeing one back in the fifties when I was a kid. It was either at a county fair or maybe it was a Hiller where my dad worked. They got to have interesting aircraft around for evaluation at times like one of the vertical takeoff turboprop fighter, so it could have been there.
Tip toe and tom tom f 84 f on the wing tips was a b 29 not b 50 look at the picture. Nice story really enjoying your stories. What about the grb 36 and rf 84 k ficon project. There were plans to have the rf 84 k carry a nuclear device.
Are you sure you don't mean Cortex ejection seat? Cordite is commonly used as an accelerant for a 7.62.. Nato rifle round. Cortex is an explosive fuse which could ignite cordite on an ejection seat. I am betting the ejection seat was fitted with C4. I had no idea Westinghouse made gas turbines. Maybe you could stick a couple f those on your Cessna.
You may be correct. I am quoting my source material. I had never heard of Cordite being used in this capacity before, but ejections seats are not my speciality.
I remember reading Yeager’s autobiography. He briefly mentioned the project as something he thought was promising. But - he said - the civilian test pilot flying it (he did not mention Schoch by name) was no good at formation flying so couldn’t hook up. I’ll take it with a grain of salt (Yeager was known for his contempt for those who weren’t military test pilots) but there seemed to be some merit.
@@conorlauren The more I've learned about Yeager, the more it turns out he was a vengeful egotist. It really comes out in his involvement in the NF-104 AST program.
@@ronrogers As a kid I just went with it. As I got older and educated in aviation and learned about things like wake turbulence and a small airplane, I pictured the tiny Goblin just trying to get anywhere near that bomber and trapeze without being thrown around all over.
The SAC Museum moved in 1998. Its now the Strategic Air Command & Aerospace Museum, just off I-80 near Ashland (Exit 426). Same exit as Mahoney State Park and Wildlife Safari Park. Also, has 1 of 4 remaining B-36s and one of the best SR-71 displays you'll ever see. Really worth seeing!
Being from Dayton, Ohio, I've seen the XF-85 many times in the museum.
The original museum was in Fairborn Ohio and that's where my dad was stationed and that's where I went to high school 😂
@@christophergagliano2051 Because there were two bases that merged together..Wright and Patterson.
@@stevetobe4494 I think it had a name other than wright Patterson I recall it was like area A end area B but I could be wrong
This experiment was not a failure-it was confirmation a different approach was necessary for long range escort. It helped lead to aerial refueling as the doctrine, and the US still leads the world in this art.
Ron you took the words right out of my mouth, regarding the expression on the ground support man's face. I'm sitting here thinking "He looks like he's asking the test pilot if he is really going to fly this thing," right before you said it. Also, I guess Mr. McDonnell's penchant for naming aircraft after supernatural creatures continued after the Goblin. "Banshee," "Voodoo, "Phantom," and whatever others I'm forgetting.
I highly recommend visiting the USAF museum in Dayton Ohio. You will see this F85 and many other fascinating aircraft, engines, weapons and historic displays.
I have visited it many times over the last 50 years and have seen a lot of changes. On my last visit our local SETP (Society of Experimental Test Pilots) group had an after hours event where we got inside a number of aircraft. The B-36 was especially interesting!
That museum is breathtaking. Not to be missed!
For a while in the late1960s one of these was outside the Movieland of the Air Museum at the Orange County Airport. Rather remarkable that both have survived.
SAC Museum is out off I 80 west, Asland NE. It moved before I got here in 01. Although there were several pieces still on the Offutt ramp until they raise enough money to move them.
I can’t imagine how anemic the engines would have been too in 1948. The spool time would have been a challenge and avoiding too much grunt while trying to settle on the trapeze must have been like coasting down a hill in idle and trying to parallel park.
Bud Anderson was the USAF test pilot and flew the Ficon project extensively.
Lt. Col. Steve Canyon flew the first zero length launch F-100. I watched the historic records a few days ago.
Why did the word "contraption" keep coming to mind while watching this?
Another fascinating snippet from aviation history. Thanks.
Nitpicking here by a St. Louis area native, but I believe it's McDonnell, not McDonald. 😉
Absolutely correct! Must have been having a Big Mac attack!
That and tapping code to the aliens. Careful Sir. 😉👍🫡🚀
Cordite was used for cartridge propellant prior to creation of smokeless powders used today.
Didn't they call this the "Wobbling Goblin" that's what I remember taking the tour years ago at the US Air Force museum
There's a colorized Steve Canyon TV episode called "Operation Zero Launch" on CZcams that's all about the F-100 rocket launch trials, including failures. Dramatized for TV of course. All Steve Canyon episodes are great, as he flies everything in the inventory. Further, if you wish to see more of old Edwards flight testing, I'd suggest "Toward the Unkown" with William Holden.
I've heard the XF-85 referred to as 'The Parasite" due to it's attached proximity to the host.
The entire concept was from the early attempts in the 20's and 30's through the 50's and even still today referred to as parasite fighters
I remember seeing a model kit of this as a kid and initially thought it was a made-up cartoon or caricature airplane.
wow, never heard of it .. and just 15ft long ?? 😯 - looks like a *bomble bee* 😆
Looks like an engine with wing and cockpit additions. Funny looking fighter. Pilot is flying a “flying bull.”
0:14 oops...wingspan un-folded was 21 FEET not INCHES
Wanted to see if anyone noticed 🤣🤣🤣
Oh, and as far as getting that hook out of the way if you had to eject, well, from the looks of it, if the pilot didn't get it out of the way then he wouldn't be having any more children, LOL!
I have a vague memory of seeing one back in the fifties when I was a kid. It was either at a county fair or maybe it was a Hiller where my dad worked. They got to have interesting aircraft around for evaluation at times like one of the vertical takeoff turboprop fighter, so it could have been there.
If something doesn’t look right.. . It probably is/isn’t lol.
Schlock? The Goblin looks like flying "Schlock."
Waiting for footage of the capture tests...
What would test pilots from back then think of today's Jetman?
I have seen a mock-up of that and I'm thinking that was that Pima Air Museum
What an I testing today?
Let me introduce you to the egg of death.
Could one of these planes have out fought a Mig 15 in Korea or would it have been a sitting duck?
wonderful
Thank you! Cheers!
Tip toe and tom tom f 84 f on the wing tips was a b 29 not b 50 look at the picture. Nice story really enjoying your stories.
What about the grb 36 and rf 84 k ficon project. There were plans to have the rf 84 k carry a nuclear device.
Are you sure you don't mean Cortex ejection seat? Cordite is commonly used as an accelerant for a 7.62.. Nato rifle round. Cortex is an explosive fuse which could ignite cordite on an ejection seat. I am betting the ejection seat was fitted with C4. I had no idea Westinghouse made gas turbines. Maybe you could stick a couple f those on your Cessna.
You may be correct. I am quoting my source material. I had never heard of Cordite being used in this capacity before, but ejections seats are not my speciality.
I remember reading Yeager’s autobiography. He briefly mentioned the project as something he thought was promising.
But - he said - the civilian test pilot flying it (he did not mention Schoch by name) was no good at formation flying so couldn’t hook up.
I’ll take it with a grain of salt (Yeager was known for his contempt for those who weren’t military test pilots) but there seemed to be some merit.
The real issue as I understood it was the disturbed airflow near the trapeze that made the hookups very difficult.
@@conorlauren The more I've learned about Yeager, the more it turns out he was a vengeful egotist. It really comes out in his involvement in the NF-104 AST program.
@@ronrogers
As a kid I just went with it. As I got older and educated in aviation and learned about things like wake turbulence and a small airplane, I pictured the tiny Goblin just trying to get anywhere near that bomber and trapeze without being thrown around all over.
I saw that at the USAF museum, thing looks like it's from a cartoon.