Cleaning Your Gun - After Every Use?
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- čas přidán 15. 09. 2022
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[Black powder shooters crying in the distance]
Indeed I shoot black powder competitively and u need to clean after every competition I can usually get about 20 rounds or sometimes more through it before it needs a cleaning
But with smooth bore they said clean after every 5 minute round or 8 to 10 shots I didn't listen first time and shot 25 rounds through it I had very hard time cleaning afterwards lesson learned
Yeah, well, corrosive powder and corrosive primers make life more difficult.
It takes me about an hour to clean my muzzleloader after each use, and that is with BH 209. When I shot pellets it took me almost 2 hours.
@@stephenausmus4850 think everyone should hunt with muzzleloader at least once in their life. The new one's are extremely accurate.
But just making that first shot count plus learning about powder amounts sabot styles and weights and the combos that work best for your gun is just a good thing.
How far you shooting at in competition?
@@bcallahan3806 out to 100 yards but I'm better at 50 I actually did hunt with a muzzleloader with my dad a year ago it was about 75 yards I think but I missed and the deer got away
Honestly, I don't clean my guns as often as I do because I think they need it. I clean them because I enjoy the activity of cleaning. I like making that gun I'm working on just perfectly clean and shining.
Holding up the muzzle to the light, looking up the breech and just seeing that glistening, perfectly clean bore.
For my older wood stock rifles, gently cleaning that stock and then applying some Renaissance wax and polishing them until they just GLOW.
It's so incredibly satisfying.
You need to clean and love your gun and when I mean love I mean love
Im getting patrick bateman in the office vibes 😂
I can get on board with that.
Sometimes it's just nice to appreciate what you have, take care of it and remember the times you had with it, the hopes for future ventures.
And your smack dab on the dingy, as my buddy Pierre would say, Lord rest his soul.
when you said fine wooden stocks.
Like a fine crafted tool/furniture combined. You need to dust it off once in awhile. Bring back memories and look ahead.
Was just about to say the same thing, i found cleaning my service rifle rather therapeutic back in the Greens. Most guys just saw it as a chore, if i had excess time on my hands i'd straight up just make sure my rifle was clean. Put on some music of choice from headphones if you were allowed to use 'em, you could go whole day cleaning the barrel and parts, getting them oiled up and shining. It was great.
How does one clean the wooden stocks? Do you lightly scrape/sand the whole stock or certain dirty areas? And where would I find these renaissance wax?
Being a retired Soldier, it is almost impossible for me to shoot a firearm and not clean it to perfection.
Cool story bro. No one gives a shit about your military service.
That's called a training scar, when training actually gives you bad habits.
Over cleaning can cause damage just as bad over time as not cleaning
@@timothymcleod2760 you know i always wonder if that could be the case.
@@timothymcleod2760 no? How?
I used to be like this with my underwear, but now I change them once a year even if they don't need it .
I do that with socks, if they can’t walk themselves to the laundry, back on feet they go.
When my shreddies are dirty, I turn them back-to-front. Finally, inside-out.
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
You shower every Saturday though right? Whether you need it or not?
I clean my rifle Sunday night after hunting the weekend but it’s because I live in southeast Louisiana and have a 45 minute boat ride to where I hunt then sometimes anywhere from 15 mins to a hour walk to the stand and if it’s misting or raining then I clean it as soon as I get out the swamp but we have a lot of salty air and rain down here
My old nemesis rust, same in Florida..
Its better to fire a couple of rounds after cleaning your rifle than to hunt with a totally clean rifle. It effects accuracy. You only get 1 shot with a clean rifle, no carbon in the barrel. All others have some carbon. Your zero was done with carbon in your barrel. It may be unnoticeable if your shooting 100 yards and thats it, but you open it up and you're inches off because your barrel is not in the same condition it was in when you zeroed your rifle.
Common sense never failed anyone 👍👍
@@moosesimpson8625 idea is one shot and make it count.
And if your gun can't fire 5 rounds from clean and keep it at least a 4" group .You might want to think about a new gun or barrel at a minimum.
Only speaking from experience.
Had. A Remington 74 woodmaste 06..
Dead to nuts when clean and cool
By the end of 4 round clip was off the paper at a 100 yrds.
That wasn't rapid fire either.
Whether it was bedding of barrel or barrel itself, I don't know. But basically rendered into a single shot.
Which I used for years. It was a great teacher because a lot of areas around here got restricted to shotgun or muzzle loader anyway.
But I did ditch it when I could afford a new gun.
Went bolt action.
Drive tacks plus upped to 300 win mag.
@@bcallahan3806 you clearly don't understand bc you're arguing, illogically, against physics and an undeniable fact. You can not zero a rifle with 1 shot... therefore your barrel is dirty at the point of impact when you have a zero established.
You can not fore 5 rounds out of a clean barrel, so your statement is nonsensical. It begins gathering fouling after 1.
Which is exactly my point. Your 100 yd shot may not show much POI change but at 2000 yds, its a big difference. That is why you fire 2, 3, whatever small number of rounds you want, thru your rifle after you've completed cleaning it. Just to get that light layer of carbon back that supports your true zero.
All the other stuff you said is really just noise from someone that doesn't understand trajectory.
I heard Abu Hajaar in the middle east has NEVER cleaned his AK
Well, there was that once when he dropped it in the river. Not used to crossing rivers.
Well that's an AK, they're the shit kickers of the gun world
Cleaning? What is this cleaning you speak of?
The AK. It’ll never jam.
Well to be fair his grandfather cleaned it after the Soviets left Afghanistan
*Old Soviet surplus has entered the chat*
Berdan primers have entered the chat.
@@scratchguns *may be corrosive* has entered the chat :)
@@longbow6416 *Soap and Hot Water became priority speaker
@@longbow6416 english
Even newer surplus lol
I like thr old fashioned way to keep things nice. It's super easy to pull the bore snake through once as a minimum
British army guy here to weigh in, we were always taught to clean your weapon whenever you have time, this means that sometimes you go on week-long exercises firing thousands of rounds and they get pretty minging to be honest but keep functioning fine, this said I still clean my weapon every 1-3 days at least when I am in the field but that's mainly because I don't like cleaning a pitch black bolt carrier each time, it ends up less work for me to clean my rifle for 20 minutes every few days than spend hours scraping shit loads of carbon away every week - this works a lot better with harbour routines as well
this is true.. the only reason I do clean my guns after every time I take them out is because its very relaxing to me. I am by myself, alone with my own thoughts listening to music and just slowly cleaning them.
Unless you're firing corrosive ammo or black power you really don't need a good cleaning till you start noticing you're groups open up
I'll shoot about 200rds a year though an M1Al Thompson and an A2 BAR. I cleaned the BARthis year for the first time in about 15 years. I cleaned the Thompson last in 2004. When they have issues, they get stripped down. Otherwise, some CLP on the bolt at the start of the session, and an oily wipedown afterwards. The were designed to work under the worst conditions with corrosive ammo, so they can take a little fouling.
id say atleast every thousand, mainly for the parts inside. nothing to do with the complete build, i want my bcg, and my barrel smooth and not griddy.
The only exceptions I'd say to this are if you've had a particularly rough session and you are thinking better safe than sorry, black powder, and if you are using really dirty ammo. My father gifted me a negant revolver and it's great, but the ammo is really nasty, so his recommendation was to clean it every time I use it, because it doesn't get used often. It's a functional collectors piece
The moisture part is what does it for me. It’s always humid here, so even if I’m not scrubbing a gun down after the range trip I’m at least giving it a quick wipe down with clp inside and out, and running a bore snake through it a few times.
I've got 1500 rounds on my AR and haven't cleaned it only lubed and it still runs like a dream
This is just my opinion, in general I agree firearms don't have to be cleaned that often, but I would still pull the bolt carrier out pretty often, there pretty bad about carbon build up
@@marvinsamples8236 oh I agree. Neglecting it is a great way to cause a stoppage or worst case get yourself smoked. Inspection is key.
Nice pfp
Rust is not your friend. Az maybe OK. FL bad idea.
@@marvinsamples8236 yeah bolt carriers look like the inside of a diesel exhuast pipe after a few rounds
This absolutely needed to be said. Too many people over clean there weapons leading to pre mature wear
Ha my Ruger 10 22. Has had thousand rounds throught it before it needed a good cleaning man I love that gun
I put 1200 through mine once without cleaning it and it still shot like the day I got it
Whenever I think my 10/22 needs cleaning.
I lock the bolt open.
Hang it barrel down in the garage over some newspapers .
Use 1 can on Carb Cleaner.
Spray and spray and spray.
Down the barrel etc.
Let it dry the I hose it down Breakfree.
Let it drip dry.
Carefully run a couple of patches through the barrel to remove the oil from the bore.
Take it down, wipe it down and clean up the mess.
@Pat Capo I gave up on the bluing of my 10/22 years ago.
It is the only one I treat like that.
@Pat Capo lube the action, NOT the barrel.
I never broke my Ruger 10/22 down for over 25 years, and it still works perfectly after 1000s of rounds. It is idiotic to over clean.
The only time I clean mine is when I’m being investigated other than that not that often
Other than black. Powder. If you have to clean your gun after every round to be accurate. Might be time to get a new gun or at least a barrel.
Do however suggest if you're going to put it up afterwards for any length of time a good cleaning isn't a bad thing. As powder residue and what not can be corrosive or harden up.
That or if in adverse conditions when used. Rain, snow, etc.
Cleaning effects accuracy. If you take a few shots to zero your rifle, your zero reflects carbon in the barrel. If you go home, clean it, then don't fore a couple rounds to build carbon, then you go hunting on a clean barrel... You're off zero. Every time.
@@moosesimpson8625 you're spot on.
Cleaning letting barrel cool down between shots is is a must if you're trying to drive tacks on paper.
Any decent rifle or gun should be able to fire 5 to 6 rounds and keep a minimum of a 1 inch group.
I know ammo plays a big factor.
But they've really stepped up their game. It shows in price and performance.
But as Ron said we have an 8 inch zone in most cases.
Driving tacks on paper isn't the same as leading a duck or deer at 20+ mph.
There is more to it.
Being comfortable and confident with your gun is the difference between a target shooter and an ethical hunter, especially those who hunt and stalk.
@@bcallahan3806 i dont think you understand the point. But I did notice you talked about leading a deer running 20 mph in the same breath you mentioned being an ethical hunter... thats funny. Ne ethical hunter would ever take that shot.
Not even with an ACSS reticle spaces for 20 mph.
And every experienced shooter knows that your rifle has a finite amout of carbon that can build in the barrel, not infinite. You can "drive tacks" until your barrel wears out because the friction of the round and pressure of the cartridge shakes the carbon loose from the last round. Thats why you fire 1 or 2 rounds after cleaning and before hunting. It makes your zero true again so that the first shot isn't off when you're on game... or taking an unethical shot on a deer for your case.
@@moosesimpson8625 in over half a century I've missed one time because of fire arm malfunctioning.
I got rid of the gun.
Being comfortable and confident, know capabilities and limitations, practice is all key.
Say all you want. But I know what my capabilities and limitations are.
I don't squeeze the trigger unless I know it's going to hit.
My buddy will out shoot me on paper every day.
It took me 10 years and literally dozens if not a hundred deer I put in front of him, before he finally got one. That's sitting in a blind.
Paper and real life are not the same thing.
I'm not boasting. Because I know at least half a dozen guys locally that can out shoot me on moving targets.
Waterfowl hunters or back in the day woodcock.
Seen guys run pump shotgun or bolt action like a semi.
And they weren't missing.
No disrespect to you.
And your comment is greatly appreciated.
Just letting you know that there are more than one way to shoot and be accurate.
You might not be driving tacks.
But be in the zone.
Proper gun, ammo you do less damage to meat and feed family and friends or those in need.
I've used a muzzleloader for the last five years of hunting.
Successful every year.
Everyone was running or on the move.
If that tells you anything.
Again no disrespect.
And I'm saying I haven't shouldered rifle or muzzleloader and not fired.
Plenty of times.
That's the difference.
Good day to you..
@@bcallahan3806 that was the rambling of an addiction riddled felon. Nonsense and lies. But take care bud.
I clean them every time for a handful of reasons.
1 I don't get to shoot as much as I like so I don't know how long they will be sitting and I may not take the same gun(s) every time.
2 I live in a high humidity area and while I do keep them in the driest part of the house I still worry about rust.
3 even if I take 4 guns to the range it really doesn't take all that long to do and I schedule my time to allow for cleaning time after.
4 if it's clean when you start your range day it will be easy to clean after.
5 if my firearm and equipment is clean and in good condition have no excuses if I'm not being accurate.
Cleaning it brings you closer to your weapon. Knowing it in and out and spending time with it outside the range makes me feel closer and more confident with my firearms.
I go like 500 to 1000 rounds before I clean my guns especially my ruger 10 22 the one time I forgot for like 3 years (I know) but she's the most solid semiautomatic .22 rifle
Same with the 1950s Remington .22s my grandfather use to carry a short barrel (14 inch, 20 overall length from stock to muzzle lever action .22) trappers rifle, thru the creeks, rivers and ponds, he said he's lost it in the mud a few time, but he said an alcohol bath and some gun oil and he's never had a firing/feed issue.
Also depends on your ammo, if you’re using old surplus stuff, it can be incredibly corrosive, so clean more often.
I am 66 years old. My father, who was a World War Two veteran, taught me at an early age, to clean you firearm after every range session.(But back then a lot of ammo was corrosive) A friend brought me a Hi-Point 995 carbine that wasn't functional. He said he and his wife had been shooting it regularly for two years, and it had never been disassembled and cleaned. Took it apart and cleaned two years of carbon out. Oiled and reassembled it. It ran like a "Singer"® sewing machine.
Singer apparently was commissioned to make a pistol at one point and it's said that it was the best engineered firearm ever created. They cancelled the contract and instead had them create aviation components for the war. I just saw a Singer 1911 up for sale for a quarter million dollars. They only manufactured 500 of them...
With 12 gauge shotguns especially I don't tend to clean them very often unless something gets into the action or occasionally the bolt face of powder residue and metal fouling. This is because I find with decent modern ammunition there isn't a lot of significant fouling left in the action or barrel for pretty large round counts.
I love cleaning 1911s its just a beautifully put together peice
My rule is to clean after going to the range. I normally try to shoot about 50-100 rounds per gun, however, I've also gone a few times where I don't clean the guns for about 200-300 rounds of use and it seems to work out fairly well.
My uncle spilt his Weatherbee from a 2 inch mud plug from previous years hunt. The split ended right at the breach saving his life.
My pistols and rifles get cleaned when I start leaving smudges on my clothing or my hands are dirty from handling them.
It's more likely oil will leak out needing a wipe own.
However if I see corrosion start to rear it's ugly head, ill scrub and lube everything, but that's it.
Perhaps once or twice a year I might give it a good scrub down from top to bottom if I'm bored and want to fondle them, but that's rare.
My PB revolvers are an exception, they get cleaned and oiled to new like condition after every shooting session.
people need to remember that if a gun is made well, just like a good tool, it requires little maintenance
But a true man takes meticulous care of his tools
@@user-nb8yt2il2r how about sissies😂😂
Then there's the guy who thinks oil should be dripping off them.
Tell me about it! I was at a tactical AR training course where my gun suffered a malfunction…I brought it to the range having oiled it with ~ 2 drops to each of the moving components. An assistent instructor then drenched my gun in oil to where half of it soaked into my clothing…a big mess.
😂
I will give it a little extra oil before putting it away in the safe because when I pull it back out. The gun will be almost dry again.
@@200130769 If you’re concerned about rust while storing them use thicker oil, but if it’s in a safe indoors or indoors period you’re worrying too much. If it being dry when you pull it out is an issue, lube it when you pull it out to shoot, problem solved. Using too much lube will do nothing but attract more dust and particles that negatively effect reliability.
@Justin Walters I'm not really concerned and I'm not worrying too much. I just go a fuzz heavier before storing after cleaning and that's about it. If it comes out dry before I use it, it doesn't have too much oil that will attract particles to effect reliability. I've definitely heard that before. But like you said, I usually give it a touch of oil before going out to the woods and range.
It’s a good idea to keep ‘em clean. The oil in your barrel will harden after being shot through and left to dry. You don’t need to scrub with the wire brush each time. But it won’t hurt to push a wad with some oil on it through the barrel.
I was thought to clean it every time even if only one shot, My Dad and Grandad weren’t wrong on this. Even though they’re long passed I still prefer to listen to them.
I honestly just clean when im feeling stressed put or had a back week. But if its a normal month ill clean then bout once every 2 weeks. I go shooting like 3 times a week so yea
Damn son, how’s that wallet of yours holding up? 😂🤣🤣
Ayy man lemme hold a dollar
I clean mine once a year if I do a lot of shooting I may clean it twice but most of the time it is just once a year
You don't shoot a lot then
@@protipskiptoendofvideoandr286 I shoot some rifles more than others and some of my rifles don't like being cleaned
When you say clean your guns do you mean just the barrel or are you gutting the gun, wiping it all down and relubing it? Thanks
Some shooters just enjoy clean, freshly lubed guns. You are correct, overly frequent cleaning is not extremely necessary but it does not hurt anything. Just my opinion but a gun that is well cleaned and lubed will have extremely smooth wear points in its action and the surface finish will suffer less stains and corrosion.
Thank you🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Maybe it Waa just to build a habit rather them a necessity, that way it's never too dirty when you need it
The most rounds I've put through an M-16A4 was somewhere around 550-700 before I started to get consistent (1/1) cycling problems; that is a ridiculously high number of shots.
I personally keep all my firearms top notch clean in storage. Minus my EDC ones. But I put them through the paces hunting. Dust dirt. Rain. Mud. Ice. Blood. But my dad taught me to always always always clean them before putting away. So that when or if the time comes you need to grab and go you don't worry about how a jam reoccurring due to lack of maintenance. Put it away like life will depend on it and sharpen the knife while you're at it.
true but I enjoy cleaning my firearms. it's therapeutic for me. :)
Me too, so what's wrong with everyone else?
Was always told by my old Dad, The more you clean it the faster it wears out
I also wonder if leaving the gun dirty when sitting around for a long time if that would actually help protect it from any sort of rust that could form where there’s no “dirt” protecting. But I think a lot of people go a little crazy for the reason of being paranoid of some sort of jam or malfunction because of it being overly dirty and another reason is wear and tear, less grime and powder acting like sandpaper wearing parts which does need to happen to an extent to break the weapon in and make the action smooth while staying tight. Those are my 2 big thoughts and 1 more to throw in is we like to play with our toys and cleaning them is another reason to play around with the things we have spent so much hard earned money on! But I totally understand what you’re saying! They really don’t need cleaned often at all, especially when they never get used for shooting practice or a CC/carry. Thanks and have a safe one!
Honestly, I'm glad to hear this. I haven't cleaned a couple of my pistols in a while. I passed maybe 40 to 50 rounds through them so it's not like there's a ton of build-up
you are fine. I like cleaning after every range day and listening to podcast or music. it is very relaxing and firearms are a beauty. also you get to learn your gun inside out when you keep taking it apart for cleaning. inspect parts too
Me thinking about the AR in the safe with easily 5k suppressed thru it and still running 😂
My dad always cleaned after every shooting session and made me do the same. My dad was old school, literally, he was born in 1927. That’s still pretty close to the black powder era when cleaning was an absolute necessity. I certainly don’t neglect my firearms but I also don’t clean every time anymore.
I have gotten into the habit of always cleaning. Sometimes it’s because I don’t know when I’ll use it next and don’t want to forget too many times in a row. Particularly for long guns I’m not taking out all the time.
I found cleaning my new guns is a great way to inspect wear and avoid problems down the road. New firearms are slapped together, not hand fit like some older ones, I’ve had to stone and polish points to get them smooth, ammo is expensive now and this makes em “break in” quickly without thousand + of rounds. I clean them less as time goes on and I find what ammo runs cleanly and smoothly. I avoid brass bristles, bore snakes and plastic bristles do fine unless it’s rusty.
The US Marines made me OCD about this. I’m going to clean every time I shoot, just to keep the voices in my head from yelling “SCRUB! Harder! Faster!”😂
You'll be thankful when you're still alive
I would never clean my rifle each day after the range. Only took 45 minutes to clean it. Passed first time in the armory. (Wilcox range)
I clean after every range session just because I enjoy it.
I think it's because lots of older ammo was corrosive so you needed to clean them more often. Usually just a bottle of Windex or something and a quick scrub of the barrel does the trick.
Newer non-corrosive ammo other hand needs to be cleaned much less, so yay for innovation. :D
(Meanwhile AK guys not cleaning their guns at all)
actually AK guys are the guys who needs to(and usually do) clean their guns the most, since corrosive ammo.
I clean and oil my carry gun after the range every time.
It’s the gun I’m going to depend on to save my life.
You’re wasting your time. It’s going to fire. Even if it’s dirty.
What I would recommend is to take a bore snake or similar to the range. After you shoot, just run that through a few time to remove anything big. Then hit it with some rem oil and you should be all good. An old toothbrush to the chamber of a semi or around the action on breaks and levers and pumps help too. Nothing more than that will keep almost any gun firing well for hundreds of shots. That’s what I learn in competitive shooting.
Used to compete with pistols. When you are cycling and things are on, you do not disassemble or clean it. Rule of thumb was clean it if it will be unused for a long period or if it isn't cycling consistently.
"I fired over a thousand rounds out of my shotgun, anyway the automatic rifle still worked"
Auto loading not automatic. Too completely different items
@@russellbingham7901 I thought he said automatic, my bad. I know they're different, would've said full auto if I'd meant that.
He started with auto shotgun and then said auto rifle. Slip on the lip. I clean to prevent rust in storage.
I have 5k rounds of dirty 22lr through my semi auto ak, and never cleaned it once in 10 years. Ironically, one of the mags gets a little stuck at the top from being so dirty, other than that still cycles perfectly. So cleaning the mag would actually help me more than the gun 😂
I clean after every use…take care of your weapon and it will take care of you.
That's fine if you have carbon fiber rods and rod guides, but if you are just using one of those screw together metal rods you are probably causing more damage than anything else. I won't hunt with a clean bore. I fire at least one shot through the barrel at the beggening of the season and don't clean the bore until the end of the three month season. Bores all look brand new.
@@Stephen85 I use a bore snake, that works well.
@@tomschauman4960 yeah I like those too.
I fully agree. You clean your dick after each use, your firearm should be no different...
i used to clean my guns like a crazy person when I was a kid but now about once a year truly no problem
Depends, less expensive guns typically have less corrosion resistant materials and finish, so its a good idea to clean often. Opposite for more expensive jammys
I joined the Navy in the 1960s. We were trained to clean our rifles the day we shot them, the next day, and the day after that. That's three days I a row. You ask why? Very simply, the barrels were carbon steel. Look at them wrong, and they would rust. It took cleaning three consecutive days to remove the products of combustion from the pores of the carbon steel.
Risky comment , but so true. A rifle over cleaned leaves oil in the rifling and hydraulics can affect the round negatively. I watched a guy swab his barrel after every shot. He was complaining about his group and I mentioned to shoot at least a box or more before swabbing. I also said to shoot a box as fast as he can to simulate a hunting situation to see how the heat affects it. The rifle was a brand new Ruger Laminate stock and free floated with a stainless steel barrel . He wasn't even breaking it in ❗ He didn't listen and when he left he said " I'm returning this rifle,it's defective". I should've agreed and bought it from him at half price 😜❗ Great information again Ron . Many might not agree but you're right on . 👍👍😎❗
There's also the issue after cleaning, that if you don't fire a number of fouling rounds until the POI (Point of Impact) settles down, you'll typically end up with wildly dispersed POI for your first few rounds. In some rifles it may only take one or two fuoling rounds, others may take ten rounds or more before the POI settles down from being all over the map.
"She can run dirty... She can't run dry" Best advice I was given about the M4 platform downrange. The guns that got cleaned daily by bored soldiers always had issues. The ones that were ran hard and put up wet (Literally) never had an issue.
I really enjoy cleaning, oiling and polishing after each trip to the range or hunt. It's pride of ownership and attention to detail. I like to take care of my property. Yes, X-military as well.
Some people are fine let their lawns go for a couple of weeks or don't care to brush their teeth twice a day.
Your choice.
My dad cleaned his guns every time he took them out with Hoppes #9. A few years ago I disassembled his old Ithaca shotgun to replace the left-hand safety to right. I couldn't believe how much crud was packed in every crack and crevice, dirt from before I was born! But the action still worked as slick as the day it was made.
Depends on your definition of completely cleaning, depends on your manner of storage, depends what you're shooting, and depends how easy you want to keep the cleaning process.
With modern smokeless powders and all that, I definitely don't clean it everytime. Especially living in a dry climate- it may be different if you live in the swamp
I was told by a gunsmith to think about this way, every stroke of a brass brush is equal to about 10 to 15 rounds passing through the bore. That is one reason why I use nylon brushes unless the brass brush is warranted for extreme conditions.
Even if it's designed to be fired more without cleaning, and cleaning it every time is overkill. A phrase my grandfather used always sticks in my head, "Ain't no kill like overkill". It may not be necessary, but it certainly doesn't hurt
My gas operated shotguns get that port area cleaned pretty regularly... And a quick wipe down and a bore snake just for good measure...
But a full disassembly and that dentist metal toothpick thingy happens at the end of the hunting season (unless one takes a mud bath).
The only thing that get over babied is the CCW - brush that lint out !!
Hold over from black powder. Hitchcock cleaned and reliaded his pistols every morning, just sayin. I was cleaning my m16 all the time in 1970. I hear you and agree now things have changed. I love 8x57
I'm far to lazy to clean my guns regularly. Yes you figured it out, I'm an AK guy.
Absolutely it’s carried over from the black powder days and when mercuric primers were being used.
I agree with you sir, but I'm still not gonna let you turn it in to the arms room until that star chamber is spotless.
Absolutely true. My Volquartsen 10/22 shoots one hole groups and will do so for hundreds of rounds. It's stainless and I do not clean it until groups open up. And then never with a steel brush. A couple passes with #9 and a bore snake is all it takes.
I hate to admit but my Benelli m2 Field went 10+ years(back when ammo was affordable) she had well north of 10,000 rounds through her before I even ran a brush down the barrel, it wasn't broke so I didn't fix it however I don't suggest going quite that long lol I've since cleaned her a time or two and she's still running happy as ever!
Shotgun Remington Auto 11-87 its over 30 years old and I shoot Trap ATA events with it since new and I clean it every time I shoot it. It has had around 75,000 or more rounds and has never had a part break ! Now Rifles Big Game I sight in for the season then clean and the end of the season. Varmint Rifles every day if Prairie Dog hunting, Fox and Coyotes at the end of season. Auto Rifles I clean after every range session. It’s the Marine in Me.
Good advice. You can clean as often as you like but it's not really needed until function or accuracy suffers. I've seen pistols go into the thousands of rounds with zero maintenance and zero malfunctions. I do otten clean rifle barrels more often than necessary just so it won't be a big chore if it gets really carboned up. Or self defense guns just for peace of mind and to prevent corrosion as they get more moisture and temp changes.
It’s how and what you use.it’s a new world, wipe out and patch out are cleaner without this old fashion cleaning.ie military is cleaning for inspection and this is different then what I am referring to. Love the show cheers to all..
If you use salty primers (Russian surplus) and alder rifles, then cleaning is a must!
Now, my sig 320 comes with stainless steel barrel. I don’t clean it every time, even though I can put 100-200 rounds at a range. It still hitting chest size targets)
I recently put 3400 rounds thru my 19x no cleaning oiled once at 1200 rounds. Worked perfectly fine. I cleaned it yesterday finally
It's a holdover from the days of corrosive powder. Modern smokeless powder isn't corrosive. I lightly clean my match rifle every few hundred rounds to remove carbon deposits, but make no effort to remove copper "fouling" that essentially smooths out the bore and reaches a steady-state equilibrium.
this man is absolutely right... I shoot over 100 rounds every time. I clean it afterwards but when I just bullshit shoot like 15-25 rounds, I do not clean. nothing damaging will happen.
Unless you have a humidity controlled room for storage, I would advise a wipe down and barrel cleaning between hunting, but I live in Mississippi with 90+ humidity year round.👍
Thank you sir. Been saying this for years.
Yep you are correct, the only weapons that need cleaning after every shot session is black powder because the powder is corrosive.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and keep your videos coming please.
I shoot 22 rounds a week, 1000 yard league, and pull a bore snake through once after the shoot. I clean the outside, chamber and bolt often, but go up-to 500 rounds without cleaning the bore without losing accuracy. I clean the bore when my groups start to open up. It’s hard for most to believe or understand, but true.
I agree. Corrosive ammo use would be an exception.
I was told that as a kid so i could practice safety and get familiar with which ever firearm it was. I now know yes it dont need to he that clean but i will teach my kids the same old thing
Thanks Sir
I am bit relieved. I was crazy in this regard. But now i shall not bother much.
I think the cleaning after every time you shoot goes back to the corrosive primer era and old powders. That has all changed especially with modern alloys and coatings used in the newer guns today.
It can create moisture in the barrel from temperature changes. That will result in rust. Will happen every time you shoot to some extent.
It goes back to black powder days. However I might go several days after I come home from the range.
More recent than black powder, primers up until recently were corrosive. The chemicals used for older primers leave a salt residue that will eat up internals.
My philosophy is if I shoot less than a box I pop out the bolt and run the bore snake through once or twice. More than a box and I’ll run a brush and a cloth with some solvent through wipe down the boot and oil everything and I’m done. Either way is easy to do and I’ve never had an issue.
First job as a kid was as a trap boy at a local trap and skeet club and I've seen a number of semi auto shotguns go into the thousands of round before needing to be cleaned
I've noted that gunpowder residue on the breechface of my pistol increases the friction on the shellcase as the cartridge is aligning to go into the firing chamber and increases the chances of a return to battery failure. When the breechface is clean you CANNOT prevent the slide on my pistol from returning to battery, no matter how slowly you ease the slide closed. As I use my pistol for self defense it is important that it works flawlessly. Keeping it clean helps is to operate flawlessly in adverse conditions.
I'd say it depends on the gun, some mechanisms have a low tolerance for clearance discrepancies, and older materials are generally more prone to oxidation.
I think most people in here are missing the point....for rifles cleaning the barrel back down to a mirror finish is most times counter productive to accuracy/consistency. Your Point of Impact can change from a properly fouled barrel to a perfectly cleaned barrel. Then it can take 2,3,5 fouling shots to get back to exact zero.
I have a Glock model 23 with about 6-7000 rounds through it. At the time I was actively instructing in CHL courses and taking training myself, and so it was getting a little range action at least 3 out of 4 weekends a month. I decided that I was going to see how long I could go without cleaning before problems started to emerge. About 8 months later I gave up and cleaned it…
I grew up with the philosophy of clean anytime you shoot. After teaching Hunter Education for 15 yrs and having many fellow instructors who have ARs I have gotten lazy and don’t clean them right away. I still clean my guns more than some people I know and all our guns shoot just fine.
I personally think it should be cleaned if it's store for a long period of time without shooting to combat corrosion, but if it's oiled semi regularly then keep the large deposits cleaned off and rock on!!! Honestly it depends on the platform.