Commissar Ciaphas Cain EXPLAINED By An Australian | Warhammer 40k Lore
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There are many Hero's in the Imperium, but none come close to matching the obscene feats of Bravery, skill and intelligence as Commissar Ciaphas Cain.... so why does everything think he is a coward?
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Cain is like any good NCO or officer ,he looks out for his men and leads using example not rank .Someone you would follow .
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He’s not a coward. He just isn’t suicidal.
Pretty much he is only man with common sense in the entire imperium. Prior to Guillimans resurrection and man do I want them to meet.
@@Historyfrek4ever My god, that would be glorious!
@@Historyfrek4ever what about Gaunt?
@@Historyfrek4ever Rowboat, upon meeting Cain: "I know you from somewhere..."
Cain: "I thought you would be bigger..."
Rowboat: "Uncle Malcadore? Is that you?"
@@steffanyschwartz7801 Any of the three meeting each other would be awesome or at least interesting but I think Gaunt was active too early in M41 for him to be alive with out some warp shenanigans.
Cain:*dies* At long last im at peace.
legion of the damned: finally the backup is here.
*"Fuck."*
LotD Ferrus: ach, so this is the one we’ve been hearin about. Get up boy, now the fun begins
*flaming warp portal opens
You lads feel like piledriving tyranids?
Legion of the Damned sargent in sine-language:
-Brothers meat our new commissar C. Cain the Hero of the IMPERIUM!
Cain:- Noooo!
Cain as a warp ghost, because even the Sanguinor needs someone to look up to.
@@starhammer5247 I think you mean "Frak"
What seemed like a retreat by the Commissar was actually a feint to lure the enemy forces into a frozen lake and sink their entire armored column, putting himself at risk all the time! Truly, Commissar Cain's genius is only matched by his selfless bravery!
CAIN FACTS:
Ciaphas Cain is probably a living saint now. Because not even old age and death could defeat Ciaphas Cain.
Ciaphas Cain called Marneus Calgar a piece of shit to his face. And Calgar agreed.
There is no Cainite school of thought in the Commissariat. There are those who listen to Ciaphas Cain's advice, and dead Commissars.
Where Ciaphas Cain fights, the Inquisition cleans up after him.
Saint Cain achieved something only the Dark Angels and Space Wolves have achieved - fuck with the Inquisition and live.
Amberley didn't recruit Jürgen for the Inquisition because she was afraid he would put the Ordos out of business.
When Tzeentch asked Kairos Fateweaver a question about Ciaphas Cain, the Oracle jumped back into the Well of Eternity.
There are five stages of grief. When Ciaphas Cain hits anger, Khorne starts bargaining.
Normal people fear Inquisitors. Ciaphas Cain either awes, sleeps with, or kills them.
Ciaphas Cain was once told the nearest pot of tanna was on the other side of an Ork army. I don't see any Ork armies around here, do you ?
Ciaphas Cain stared into the Eye of Terror. It blinked first.
Jürgen once went to secure a nice room for Ciaphas Cain on an Imperial World. He came back one hour later having exposed and taken down a Tzeentchian cult.
When heretics learn that Ciaphas Cain has arrived in the system, they surrender to the Inquisition. It's safer for them, and easier for everyone involved.
Major Ruput Broklaw once woke up Ciaphas Cain after the Commissar had given strict orders not to be disturbed. He received the Star of Terra for his bravery and dedication to his duty.
When the Thousand Sons tried to kill Ciaphas Cain, they saw Jürgen next to him, shrugged, and went home.
The reason Tyranids got nerfed is because a Genestealer Patriarch tried to kill Ciaphas Cain once, and now the Hive-Mind is scared.
There was a possibility Ciaphas Cain would have become a Chaos Champion. Tzeentch spent the entirety of M41 making damn sure it didn't happen, to avoid losing his job.
Khorne wants Ciaphas Cain's skull. Unfortunately for the Blood God, the skull comes with the rest of Ciaphas Cain attached to it.
The reason Guilliman didn't wake up until the Times of Ending was because he was waiting for Cain to die of old age so he could hog the glory. Unfortunately, reports of the Commissar's death were greatly exaggerated.
When the Grey Knights aren't enough, the Ordo Malleus does not send Ciaphas Cain and his aid : they politely ask for his assistance.
Gods plan. Ciaphas Cain laughs.
A psyker once tried to get Ciaphas Cain to shoot himself. The Commissar dropped the laspistol and shot him instead.
Ciaphas Cain and Amberley Vail once attended an Imperial gala infiltrated by sixteen different Chaos cults, three xenoists conspiracies and half a dozen Inquisitors and their retinues. The Holy Ordos call what happened next the "Night of Revelations". Cain called it a good date.
Ciaphas Cain doesn't get lost in underground tunnels. Not because he has a good sense of orientation, but because the tunnels want him to get out as soon as possible.
Ciaphas Cain weeps for every soldier who dies under his command. His tears are rarer than the Emperor's.
CI CI ciaphas cain, hero of the imperium!
Mood Kindred?
Sly marbo vs ciaphus Cain who would win ?
Cain would end up bringing Marbo to a Chaos Titan and then run away while Marbo solo’s said Titan.
Cain: "I'm the type of person people in my rank are supposed to shoot."
Also Cain: *Is incredibly intelligent, competent, and compassionate*
... Yeah, seems about right for the Imperium's "Shoot this man" list.
Sad
He has a strange self hatred syndrome.
a lot of it feels like it's self depreciation and a guilty conscience because Cain didn't "think" the right way, it seems like he makes up excuses after the fact to "justify" why what he did was cowardly even in situations where he was purely heroic. I'm sure he doesn't lie about being terrified and that makes him hate himself and cast his every action in the most negative light.
Not cowardice just cautious
He obviously is a worshipper of Tzeentch. Otherwise, he'd be stupid, incompetent, and callous.
Cain is like a Monty Python skit written into 40K.
I think it was said that if Gaunts Ghosts was Sharpe in Space, Cain was Blackadder
George MacDonald Fraiser's Flashman in the grimdark future.
Spot on.
And Jurgen is his Baldrick?
They said that's who they based him off when they wrote his character
Remember always have a Blank as an assistant and give him a Melta Gun
Don't forget to keep yourself trained and always make sure there's an escape route ready.
Don't forget the all-important canteen of tanna.
@@arklaw8306 And that the Emperor seems to protect those who take steps towards protecting themselves.
Sly marbo vs ciaphus Cain who would win?
@@jo_ken life on the throne can be boring, why not bless one of the few creatures that seem to still have a functioning sense of self-preservation. If anything, it’s quite a laugh and we all know Big E likes a bit of trolling
Another Jurgen being snubbed story is mentioned by Inquisitor Vale when she describes how Cain dislikes a popular movie showing his conquest on Perlia because they left Jurgen's character out of the movie. Cain is such a bro.
Wait...there are movies in the WH40K universe? That's pretty weird
@@voxpopuli7910It sounds like you have a poor grasp of 40k’s scale. The imperium has over one million planets. There are hundreds of thousands of earth-like planets in the imperium. When I say earth-like, I mean planets that have similar technology, population, and living standards as our modern day earth in real life. There are giant hive planets with trillions of people crammed into nightmarish sci-fi slums, there are feudal planets where they live life just like we did back in the 1200’s, there are forge worlds where the population consists solely of servitors (to work the factories) and tech priests (to oversee the servitors), and there is everything in between. Most Imperial citizens will never see an alien, demon, or space marine. Many imperial citizens don’t believe that aliens exist, because they’ve never met anyone who has met anyone who has seen an alien. So not only are there movies in 40k, but there are books, tv, video games, and a huge assortment of sci-fi hobbies that people enjoy. There are probably enough movies in the Galaxy of 40k for everyone on real-life earth to watch 500 of them without any movie being watched twice
@@voxpopuli7910 the are
And Cain has at least one movie based on his actions pretty much from each campaign he fought in
@@voxpopuli7910I mean It's probably work like north Korea💀
@@voxpopuli7910technology are very diverse on each planets in Warhammer 40k. Some are still in the Medieval ages, some in the WW1 ages, and some are even set in a world that looks like the Cold War era Soviet Union.
I think the key point here is: Cain is afraid all the time but still manages to do what is necessary and THAT is what makes him great in my eyes. Courage is not the abscence of fear - courage is overcoming fear.
And that is why imperial guard troops are more badass than Space Marines.
@@kazansky22 Yes exactly! Of course a Space Marine is more powerful, but he doesn't need the kind of "courage" that an ordinary guardsman needs to fight the horrors of the galaxy.
Channeling fear can be the greatest strength. Absence of fear is definitely a great road to death or freezing from fear while aiming fear provides enhanced senses.
As I soldier I was always afraid in combat. Eventually I accepted that death was inevitable and then used that fear to fuel adrenaline production and the adrenaline let me perform at peak capacity. I think the smarter a person is the more fear they feel in combat but you know the only way to survive is to fight as hard and as smart as possible. The only way out is through.
Thats from an anime i cant remember the name of not you :D
Fun fact: Cain despite always see carry boltpistol on artwork, Cain actually favor Laspistol and he is really good at it he can shoot outside of the gun optimal range
Heard it was because the cover was drawn by imperial artists and overblown it. But, can't judge them. Cain is awesome!
@@Directo13 that would explain the popeye arms
@@Directo13 pretty much like how Gaunt carry a Chainsword on his new artwork and Mini but in lore he using a power sword
@@Madjo-qj2ge and basically one of best power sword as it was 10000 years old issued only to imperium army commanders or space marine chapter master.
There is quite a bit of evidence that at least most of the Cain book covers are propaganda, since he's always depicted with his coat ripped to show off his bulging muscles, or carrying a bolt pistol, or a ridiculously oversized chainsword. Then there's the Greater Good cover where the fire warrior has 5 fingers, so is likely a human in costume.
Cain: **dies**
Legion of the damned: we didn't know we'd be receiving special forces
Ciaphas Cain is so unlucky it cancels out on sheer unluckiness.
When your luck stack drops so low that reality hits an error and sets it all the way to max
so its *a number that is the closest to infinity scenario* but the number cancels it self in just a way that benefits comissar Caine like an glitched stat bonus to his already high specs as a scolar progenium honor member and that stat is his "*luck*"
Cain’s luck keeps him alive, it is balanced out by Cain being put in constant danger no matter what he did.
interger underflow on cain's luck
Cain's luck score is so low it caused a integer overflow and loops around to being high
So then, ciaphas cain was taken to meet the emperor himself on the imperial palace, he saw the emperor and he was so nervous he accidentally tripped on one of the wires and then it activated the so long forgotten button of "revive user" and then the Emperor was revived. Upon said miracle of pure bullshit, he got even more nervous that he touched another long forgotten button that stated "repair webway project".
Just another day for Ciaphas Cain.
And then he accidentally repaired an STC by having it factory reset, so that all the garbage data that accumulated got wiped and it operated at peak performance.
The only thing Cain fears so much he'll order a retreat is the necrons, the rest he'll just deal with it despite being frakking terrified.
To be fair, necrons are a threatlevel for the astartes. Retreating is the only correct course of action.
Oh, how did he put it again? By all means correct me on the quote if anyone remembers better than I do, but I THINK his statement was "Even if we were up to our chins in green-skins, Eldar, and a side of Kroot, I'd turn my back on the lot of them to kill a single Necron."
Believe it's the Flayed Ones that really scares the crap out of him... I mean... reasonable phobia...
Was it because of the Pariahs, or the Flayed Ones? Both are nightmare fuel in themselves.
He wasn't too happy about Tyranids either, pretty much borderline panicking and demanding the regiment contact everybody they possibly could for immediate reinforcements the moment he thought they were even a possibility.
It seemed pretty universal that the enemies he "feared" the most were the ones he couldn't really talk to. The Eldar, Tau, Chaos, even Orks he was fine with, at least to a certain degree. Tyranids and Necrons though, he'd avoid as much as possible. I think he even mentioned that at some point when justifying his "fear" to another commissar when the idea of going toe-to-toe with some Necrons came up.
Cain is like a glorious mixture of James Bond, Obi Wan Kenobi, and Courage the Cowardly Dog
Gross, don't mix star wars in with good shit.
He’s a mix of James Bond, Solid Snake, Courage the Cowardly Dog & Sir Adrian Paul Ghislain Carton de Wiart
This is more accurate
Nothing wrong with Courage the "Cowardly" dog; Courage embodied his name by doing his best to protect Muriel and Eustace, despite being terrified.
@@TheRealMycanthrope 100 %
He's not wrong, cain is a mix between all of those
Somebody at GW :40k has no main protagonist
Cain: and I took that personally
Sly Marbo: excuse me?
Silent King: bruh
Dante: ...
All three of those have less personality than Cain's left nut so I'm still sticking to Cain being the main protagonist, you call Sly, Dante and the SK when you need shit to be fucked up, not when you want a good story.
@@orrorsaness5942Guilliman : Sup b*tches
Cain’s sword skills are underrated. He impressed inquisitors and Astartes with his skill and was both naturally gifted but also trained as though he wasn’t.
let's not forget that he has dealt with chaos astartes and won
@@henrypaleveda7760 to be fair, he managed to hold of said chaos marine until Jurgen delivered the killing blow.
@@thewerdna dealt with and overcame are two different things but yes
@@thewerdna The second one he pretty much killed on his own, although it had been pretty severely wounded by Khorn cultists beforehand
He blocked/deflected two or three strikes from a Khorne Berserker before Jurgen blasted him with a melta gun. Still very impressive as a feat though.
When the berzerker charged him shouting 'blood for the blood god' he shouted back 'harriers for the cup!'
He's also canonized as a prophet of the Emperor with "The Book of Cain" being an officially recognized part/expression of the Imperial Cult.
And it was started by soldiers from the Tallarn regiment headed by a commissar that _hated_ Cain. Tomas Beige spent half the book trying to undermine Cain’s authority and get him arrested.
(Cain pulls off one of his crazy-ass stunts)
Tzeentch: "OH, WHAT THE FUCK, REALLY?!"
The Emperor: "Hehehe, that's my boy!"
We even have a quote from the book of Cain that goes: "And the Prophet Spake, FRAK THIS! Get thee behind me Deamon, for my faith is proof against thy blandishments"
And the best part is that it was both by accident and without him knowing about it! 😆
@@DVAcme actually, it could like the orcs and khorne, with tzeench like: "OH BOI THAT WAS A SICK TURN OF FATE LOL LMAO"
A sad fact is that Jurgen isn't really foul smelling with unsightly dermal afflictions, people just mentally perceive him as such because their minds rebel against being in close proximity to a blank.
I have always assumed that is the case since his "halitosis" seems to exactly overlap with his anti-psyker aura but is it ever truly confirmed?
@@jasperzanovich2504 There was one time when he saw someone's secretary who was very much taken by him, she thought he was a pretty acceptable but he blew her off to go look at nudies on his data slate.
He might have been startled, or just didn't recognize, that a lady was interested since everyone he ever met was unkind to him.
She apparently didn't notice anything wrong with him...she might have been a blank too, or so low on the psychic scale that he didn't set her off.
That along with what you said makes me believe that his perceived repulsiveness is really other people's psychic-minds telling them that he ain't right....it's not really him, it's them.
Cain once admitted that as soon as Jurgen dried himself off after taking a bath or shower. He would instantly start to smell again. Cain eventually stopped coercing Jurgen to take extra showers, since no one could tell.
Actually, he does have them, but most people don't even see them because his Blankness makes them instinctively keep their distance. Cain is the only one who seems to notice, which is either him having such willpower that he can actually bear to be in Jurgen's vicinity or it gives credence to the theory that Cain's a latent psyker. It doesn't help that Jurgen's bad hygiene is in part a result of people's refusal to deal with him, so he doesn't see the use of trying to be presentable, which is kinda sad, really. It also explains why Jurgen is SO ride-or-die for Cain, since he's the only person that really takes the time to know him and treat him as a person.
@@DVAcme if Cain were to be a latent psyker he would SUFFER in jurgen vicinity XD
My personal favorite Cain moment was when he took out a Dark Eldar Succubus in single combat. As good a swordsman as he was, he knew after a brief exchange that he simply wasn't fast enough to keep up with her.... but when he realized her entire plan hinged on taking him back to Commoragh alive, he deliberately moved to Minecraft himself. The succubus saw it and lunged to stop him... and Cain immediately countered the reckless attack, because it had only ever been a feint to draw her in.
And this kind of move, is why Cain is an S-Level duelist in 40k. God, if that man was Astartes he would be Chapter Master level.
@@ambrosiogiovanni6952 giga chad feigns suicide to kill the enemy
Which book is this from?
@@gregtoja it's one of the short stories
"Minecraft" himself?
When he appeared to be fleeing from a chaos warship Ciaphas Cain discovered the leagues of Voltann, it’s as if he knew they were there and would lead to the destruction of the chaos barge.
😂
When he appeared to be fleeing*
what short story is this??, i wanna read it FUUUUCK seems good
@@320466 You just read it.
@@jimmysmith2249 I just made it up
Imagine a blank just punching the shit out of a demon, now that's something that I want to see Jürgen do
I mean all Cain would have to do is ask
@@palharaldrindal4871 Caín would give him a chair to do so
@@palharaldrindal4871 And Jürgen would just say "Yes sir!" and go about it like just another day in the office.
To be fair, he actually has (more or less), while trying to get some Tanna Tea for Cain from a basement.
"And here comes a demon of khorne ready to smash Cain's face i-! BUT WAIT, ITS JERGEN WITH A STEEL CHAIR!!!!!!" Emps, the holiest of announcers
"What if Cain embodies everything great about humanity?"
'Courage is not the absence of fear, but acting in spite of it' and all. So yeah, that sounds about right.
Also, between his looks and his record, Ciaphus Cain feels like he's very firmly the Ash Williams of 40k.
I think Ciaphus Cain and Ash Williams would get along really nicely if they were to met together.
The Cain series is hands down one of my favorites. The light heartedness, comedy, and action, is a refreshing read in sea of grim derp.
The Cain novels are only second to the Eisenhorn/Ravenor novels in my opinion, but they are so different it’s hard to compare them…
not just that, but the Imperium is also written far less Grim derp in general in his books. Like the Imperium is still dark and awful in those, but not to the point of stupidity as it is in a lot of 40k stuff
@@stoops187 Hello id really like to read Ciaphas Cain novels, could you please recommend me some?
@@victorv1151 all of the Cain novels are a good read. Just look up the series book order, and go from there.
@@kazuya1337 can you recommend a site to get the book order? Apologies for bothering but I'd also like to read the Ciaphas Cain novel
I still think Cain is the best character and story line to start a movie series. It’s an easy intro for people to get into Warhammer. I so want to see Henry Cavill play him because he’s perfect for the role. They look the same and have that same sense of humor..
Right now lets hope no one decides to make a Cain movie or series. We have too many gender swaps, Mary Sue lady bosses and emasculated men in entertainment already. If they'd make it it would probably focus on Kimberley as the bestest evah, making Cain a supporting role in his own series.
I would prefer Thomas Jane, he played detective miller in the expanse and I think he would play Cain perfectly
Also helps that Henry Cacill is a hige Warhammer fan and has a huge Custodes army that he painted himself.
@@eleventhprimarch5303 He doesnt really have the smug cunning aura that makes Cain who he is, he played secret agent in UNCLE and acion scenes were perfect, but I don't really think he would be good Cain
@@gregtoja It's called "Acting". I hear Cavill is pretty good at it.
I like the “latent psyker” idea. Latent psykers also don’t seem to be that much effected by blanks (look at the boy Ravenor picks up who’s a latent mirror psyker and even burns out and possesses a blank over time). There also seem to be a lot of unknown latent psyker powers
I think one of the books stated that blanks are still considered psykers, so a much much stronger psyker could still overwhelm a blank.
So it's not impossible that Cain is a beyond Alpha Plus, latent psyker who isn't directly affected by the blank state of Jurgen.
Although, I would imagine that daemons would flock around him much more frequent if this was the case, since even a latent psyker should have a much brighter warp-presence.
@@Deckaio afaik latent psykers don’t really show on the scale. They are latent, so they don’t have any active detectable abilities. That also means they are barely effected by blanks. Latent psykers afaik would have a very normal human imprint in the warp
@@jasutinborchert4418 isn't this more because all the latent psysker we saw were considered "weak" psysker? Based on my understanding, latent by the definition of the word and not any in-universe definition, doesn't have to mean weak. But I'm way behind any WH40K lore, so I'm probably way off anyways.
@@Deckaio “latent psyker” afaik refers to psykers with inactive powers, which therefore can’t be detected normally. For example Ravenor only noticed that the boy who would later become the grey knight Hyperion was a latent psyker because he somehow managed to detect Ravenors psychic communication with Nate. This led to the assumption that the boy is a latent psyker with the passive ability of mirroring psyker abilities. However he never got detected as one before, despite being tested. So some slight reality bending, as long as it’s only focused on himself, could be a latent ability that would to the outside be perceived as extremely lucky
why normal people would reject jurgen, psykers would suffer headaches in his precense but all Cain Could feel was his smell? thats why i think that theory is shit XD
I love the lore on Cain and jurgen. Also Cain is an official Saint, tho he thinks it's a joke, he is actively prayed to on several planets. Also I love his favorite tactic to get people to leave him alone. He would make officials who wanted to talk with him wait in a unairconditioned room with Jurgen, forcing them the just stagnate in his foul smell. Most would leave :)
What bothers me about Cain is that he is always shown in picures with a bolt pistol when he preferred a laspistol.
Think of the pictures as pure propaganda and nothing more. Besides his biceps aren't that big either.
@@benjaminnorris5540 They might be. If I remember correctly from character descriptions Cain is pretty tall/beefy compared to most other humans. Plus you don't have noodle arms swinging around a chainsword.
@@christopherozouf According to Caves of Ice, the second Cain book, he is just under 2 metres tall
He has mentioned posing for propaganda shots with a bolt pistol so those ae probably stagee
@@benjaminnorris5540 exactly
Guy stood his ground against Dark Eldar, the same race that prides themselves on being master duelists to enjoy their victim's agony up close, and gutted the wych, the proceeded to save a planet from a Hive Fleet by luring them into a webway portal so the millions of nids could be Commoragh's problem.
Course his imposter syndrome rationalizes it all as luck.
You should do a video on Commissar Gaunt next. An absolutely phenomenally written character who does not get nearly the praise Cain does despite doing as much, as Cain but often with less.
Cain would body Gaunt in a 1v1. Just saying…
I want the crossover. They don't have to fight, or maybe just a training duel. But it would be pure Hersey not to have them meet.
I’d say Cain is the better fighter and commissar while Gaunt is the better military leader. They are both phenomenal.
@@PIJIM0N i mean no question, but no need for a competition is there?
Have them both on a mission with both their units…more than a few books could be written about those encounters…
Cain: My reputation is a fraud, I am just a coward
Also Cain: Charges a Chaos Space Marine with only his laspistol and chainsword, and defeats him in front of his entire platoon
Cain: I'm just a cowardly piece of shit, I hope nobody notices how cowardly I am
HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!!!!
Emperor’s Finest He is
Cai-Cai-Ciapass Cain, Hero of the Imperium ~!!!
@@LORDOFDORKNESS42 Cai-Cai-CIiaphas Cain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM
Finest Plot Armor in the galaxy. There are Farseers who couldn’t alter probability like this man’s luck can.
Yes. But at the same time, he does have quite a few skills to back it up. Mostly, his Humanity.
You think if the Lamenters had Cain around would his bullshit good luck cancel out their bullshit bad luck?
I mean in the latest Cain novel a Farseer orders that Cain isn't to be killed, because if he is the Slannesh Deamon will win on that world
So yeah, even Psychic Aliens bank on Cain's luck
Warlock: "I must ask this, is there a reason you have so much faith in this Mon'keigh?"
Farseer: "I know it sounds mad, but this one is a rare blend of "expendable" and "invulnerable" that makes for the perfect HERO."
"Genuinely caring about his men"
"And with that i replaced my meat shield and looked good in front of the troops"- Caiphus Cain For the emperor!
He does say that, but by now people should realize he isn't always the most reliable narrator. He says he doesn't give a frack about the people who serve under him, but if Casteen died in front of him does anyone think he wouldn't be extremely saddened by it? His aloofness is a defense mechanism to protect his mind from the ravages of war.
yeah except when he killed a chaos warmaster in the name of one his students/commissars.
@@evilabelincoln3787 just read that book, the footnotes are great. What was up with that chaos lord?
@@Alaric11 thats true. Its weird how he cant let himself do something good
@@thatromanfella8377 he was as psyker that controlled peoples minds who he came within range. he controlled one of his students turned commissars and Cain was able to free him with jurgen long enough for the kid to kill himself. Cain got his revenge for him.
Cain is literally just the old expression about courage not being the lack of fear but feeling that fear and overcoming it
I think the thing about Cain is that...to a great extent, he's just a regular guy. A regular, 21st century human, like you or I - living in a galaxy where his available role models are men like Sebastian Yarrick, or the stormtroopers who accompany him in book two. The Imperium lauds fearlessness and utter disregard for death, so when Cain feels fear he interprets it as him being a total coward, especially if he also acts on it.
It's classic imposter syndrome. He fails to live up to an impossible standard, so he judges himself harshly for the crime of being merely human.
Holy shit that makes sense
There are two phrases that emphasize Cain as a person.
“Courage is not the absence of Fear- but rather continuing on despite it.”
“The successes of the Astra Militarum, are not won by a single hero, but by those millions beside him”
Sure he may be cowardly, but when the chips are down he does go in, and he very rarely wins totally alone.
Also my headcannon is that Cain is the reincarnation of Ollanius Pious and has the emperor’s blessing.
Can we get a video about all the first captains during the Horus Heresy?
Yes 🙌🏽 just finished a Thousand sons and I have no idea that Azek Aruman was such a great character and person.
I thought Ahriman was the Chief Librarian.
@@robertnelson9599 It's the XV legion, he was both
A video about Saul Tarvitz would be cool. He (rightfully) sucks off Rylanor, but that leaves Tarvitz as criminally underrated. Either that or a video on Garviel Loken and Tarik Torgaddon (the loyalist half of the Mournival)
Fuck eidolon
Longshot theory:
Cain is a Sensei, possibly several generation removed or somehow latent.
It could also explain why the Emperor seems to have taken a shine to him.
What in the emporer's nuts is a Sensei?
@@nothingunderthemask wow, I surprised no one answered.anyone. a sensei is a son or daughter of the Emperor. No, the Emperor children. No THE Emperor's CHILDREN.
It all old Rouge trader first edition lore.
@@woaddragon oh shit. So they're his Bio sons?
@@nothingunderthemask Yep. Again this was/is pretty old lore,. But the the Emperor was rather "busy" and throughout the Ages and had many sons.and daughters. Most was normal, but a chosen few had a bunch of the Emperor 's such as immortality, physic power, limited shapeshifing, etc.
If you hadn't heard of them, it because they (the inquisition aka GW) "probably" got rid of them.in the 3rd edition.
Also, it kinda funny you said "Emperor nuts"
Man, how can you not love the regular every day imperium man, and this guy is a legend among humanity.
Cain doesn't die. he is just missing in action.
Even when buried with full military honors.
@@benjaminnorris5540 Oh well 😅. In the grim darkness of the far far future resurrections are commonplace 😂.
@@orrorsaness5942 Yep, i mean, Big E likes to troll him so much, that i can see Cain coming back as a Saint, just for the sheer hilarity of it.
@@ambrosiogiovanni6952 IKR
@@ambrosiogiovanni6952 That’s actually a really great and hilarious way to keep him in the current setting
Ciaphas Cain! The Imperium’s Patron Saint of Luck and Sarcasm!
I really want to see a Ciaphas Guilliman meet up
Unfortunately by the time of the recent books he's *probably* dead and received a burial with full military honors, however faith and the warp being what they are combined with the fact that a splinter cult on Tallarn reveres him as the emperors will incarnate or sum such so it's an outside possibiloity for a ghostly/saintly commisar to show up in a future book.
@@jtfbreedlove even in death, Cain can’t escape
@@jtfbreedlove the cult thing ist my favorit part, I meen he woud hatte bis worshippers so much
@@gideonmele1556 my dude would become brother saint of Saint Celestine or a Member of the legion of the DANMED led by Ferrus manus at this point
@@jtfbreedlove actually his death is supposidly in early M42. So we are currently in the window of time where such a meeting is possible
Courage is not lack of fear, is doing what needs to be done even if you are afraid.
I would say that Cain is the embodiment of True Courage since one can only be truly brave when he/she is scared but faces the problem regardless even if its the warmaster himself.
This was sort of adressed by Amberleys editorial note: The hardest critic of Cain, is Cain himself. So when all stories of him are sourced from his own biography, then the whole aspect of cowardice is something he attributes to himself. It is very obvious when he describes himself as a coward as an excuse for a smart and reasonable action in a given deadly situation.
As for his daemonic resistance, I think it is something more akin to will tempering. His own thoughts of Slaneeshi corruption is that yes he likes to gamble, drink and all other vice, but in moderation that does not interfere with his duty. He actively resists excess of vice, and we all know that chaos gods are all about extreme excess of certain emotions. This alone should make the Emperor proud, since Cain is morally close to the humanity thet big E envisioned.
Going through the books now, on book 4. One more until we get to see some Tyranids!!!
Also Jurgen, wherever you are, you're the goodest blank
Tyranids are in book 1 in the form of genestealers.
@@raistlarn yup and they touch on the regiments fighting nids prior to the book itself. However I want to see full tyranid action. The gsc in the book were alright but definitely not full scale invasion
Traitor's Hand and Death or Glory are my favorite out of the series with Duty Calls being close. I still laugh when Cain insults a world eater in melee range.
Jurgen is underrated
I agree, Cain never seamed to be the cowered he thinks he is, he has, on many occasions, and with intent, put himself into danger for others. He has done this many many times, and while he might come up with excuses, he keeps doing it. His luck though... almost seems to be BAD luck, as how he gets out of situations is by being smart and cool headed, NOT just because the guy trying to snipe him sneezes at the last moment.
The funny part is he is actually a pretty damn skilled swordsman and marksman, granted to be inducted into the commissar ranks you pretty much have the natural skills to become a space marine. Quite possibly one of the most unique characters in Wh 40k setting and his books are such a fun change from the constant grim dark insanity.
Fuck yeah one of my favourite guys in 40k finally getting the recognition he deserves. Great video Major!
According to amberly, Cain did have nightmares that woke him in the middle of the night and much of his behavior is congruent symptoms of PTSD, albeit on a lower level
I'm 3 books in on Cain right now. Jurgun is an absolute badass. My absolutely favorite duo in the 40k universe.
I mean, one of Cain’s mottoes is “The Emperor helps those who help themselves.” So, I could see him being blessed by the Emperor.
"mass concentrated friendly fire" is a quote I approve of 😊
Fragging but by another name
Ahh yes, Cain the Chad Lad. His back must be utterly broken by now from carrying the imperium on his back for so long.
after reading the books i think Cain has survivors guilt.
Seeing tens of thousands, no even millions of men personally die would no doubt take it's toll on anyone.
Aberly also mentioned the he wakes up screaming on the reg. So it gets to him
@@QuantemFearyeah, and there are also several points in the books where he vividly describes being haunted by nightmares, especially of Tyranids, the Slaneshii wych who almost stole his soul and most of all, necrons.
Almost definitely. I believe that this survivors guilt is what actually fuels his imposter syndrome. The immense guilt of watching so many good people die, often as a direct result of them protecting him...
"Emperor knows, far better men than me have fallen on the field of battle while I
looked after my own miserable skin, on more occasions than I care to count"
Well Amberley must know all about Cain's sword skills
😅
In combat or in “combat?”
@@HeIsAnAli Both
Totally agree with you people that haven't actually read the books are missing a trick easily someone the best writing as well as great lore moments and fills out the universe nicely
🎶CI-CI-CIAPHAS CAIN, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!!!🎶
I believe that Cain's success is a combination of three factors.
First is Cain's own skill amd courage (along with Jurgen's help).
Second is a little help of one or more shards of the emperor. The emperor has to cover the entire galaxy and before the fall of Cadia he likely tried his best to get some people in places where they can help.
As Cain survived and triunfed against the enemies of the Imperium the Big E gave more help but also put him in the way of increasing scary things.
The thirds is that more and more people started to admire and worship him. If the humans in the Tau Empire managed to manifest a new minor god in the Warp imagine how much power would Cain would gain from the faith of billions of humans.
I really hope he is still alive in the setting. Even if he isn't we could use a male living saint, imagine all his badassery but with wings and warp holy magic.
Newly resurrected Saint Cain flops around with his new wings...and accidentally teleports and heals Primarch Sanguinius fresh from the Horus Heresy while simultaneously lobotomizing all the Tyranids in the local space sector:
Saint Cain used Splash!
It was VERY EFFECTIVE!!! Somehow...?
Blood Angels: Sanguinius LIVES?!? What in the God Emperor's name?!
Saint Cain: Wing cramp! Wing cramp! Wing cramp! Owowowowow...
I can imagine Tzeentch laughing to himself as he takes all the luck of the Lamenters Chapter and gives it to Cain
I think the coward reputation mainly comes from his own harshness toward what he sees as is own moral weakness.
Showing he sometimes sees himself as such as he realise he has fear and very human selfishness to overcome. He feels that fear very strongly as he confess, he sometimes try to avoid danger in very unheroic ways and he definitely has a shelfish part of him that shows up and he really gives to much credit to all of it in his own diary.
It also show that he indeed has quite high moral standards and judges his human weakness according to them.
Plus he's witty, funny with a cinycal hunour and has a low taste for idiots and that makes him very much likable. And that definitely part of the charm of the caracter for it makes the diary both funny and interesting.
Plus it goes with the idea that true heroism is overcoming your own shortcomings no matter how hard you can morally judge yourself, so making him a true hero after all.
Mood kindred.
Quick note about Cain being the imperium’s “the most decorated war hero”: that honor goes to Sly Marbo, having been awarded the star of terra on multiple occasions
I think Cain embodies the idea that bravery isn't a lack of fear, but rather striving on in spite of it. He'd rather be anywhere else 99% of the time, but people depend on him and no one else is around to save the day so all he can do is gulp down his worries and power through. In a setting of stone-faced, unflinching warriors, it's nice seeing a guy that can hold his own but still understands, and even dreads, just how close he constantly is to dying.
If i recall, isn't the entire point of Cain's character that HE is the only who doesn't think himself as a hero? By all means, him acting in spite of fear shows genuine bravery and he cares for his troops (unlike every other commissar), so in every respect he is a hero through and through. However, he is also so ashamed of his own fear that he beats himself down over it needlessly and cruelly, scolding himself over his perceived shady morals when really those are just excuses me makes to explain away his own bravery.
I wonder if charging head long into everything is his PTSD.
As you said him running away on the artillery line lead to something more dangerous then orks.. so maybe his PTSD won't let him run anymore as he is scared that what is behind him is worse then what is infront?
Jurgen didnt want to let Cain go and attack a Genestealer nest with basically a suicide squad. Instead he asked politely to go with him cause he didnt trust the other members of the team. He was also on gunpoint by a fucked up Inquisitor who told him to lower his gun, which he did but not before Cain told him it is okay to do so. Gunner Jurgen is one of if not the most loyal friend and subordinate an officer can get. Had me in tears a couple if times during the books.
Jurgen is the real hero who gets no credit due to being ugly and stinky
Agreed he’s one of the very best commissar characters Written about by GW and the book series is awesome too…. Hope he’s still alive and kicking - another book would be sweet too
He is sadly dead, dying of old age (the absolute madlad) and being buried with full military honours.
He's still listed as missing in action by the Munitorum though, as after miraculously reappearing after being presumed dead countless times they just fully gave up XD
On a more somber note, I believe the entire framing device of the books, Inquisitor Amberly Vail editing and annotating his personal memoirs, is actually her way of mourning him, her one true love and a good friend. Hits me right in the feels...
I think Cain is coward, but his skill set is top notch and extremely lucky, but as you said MajorKill, Emperor showed him opportunity and Cain have brain and skill set to take it and use it to his best ability and his abilities are S-level. His state of Hero is well earned
One of the bits I dig is how Cain seems to get buffer on every book cover, like, it's clear they're propaganda posters seeing as he specifically points out he uses a las pistol and why, but they always show him with bolt pistols
Another bloody great one MajorKill. Loving the content you’re putting out at late.
The fact that we still don't have a official Cain model still is a tragedy
TRUE!!!!
Would be imballansed)
I am quitting the hobby due to personal reasons. Thx Majorkill for getting me into it. I will be returning a few years down the line. God bless your soul.
You really don't have to play the tabletop to enjoy the lore. I certainly don't play or paint.
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I know. Sadly I will have little time to do so. I have to focus on my fiance who is unwell.
@@ladosdominik1506 I recommend audiobooks. Not just for 40k, just in general.
@@ladosdominik1506 ayoo she good?
Finally I've been looking so forward to you making a video of Cain since i read the first book. I'm not sure you had any plans at that point to make a video of him but in my heart i believed that one day majorkill would make a video and it would be glorious
YES! Thank you so much! I requested it during a livestream you had not long ago... you just made my day. And you're right.. the books are a GREAT read and the audiobooks are the BEST NARRATED AUDIOBOOKS
Cain and Jurgen story is very similar to King Authur and Merlin. Authur was the best duelist in all of Camelot, was worried to let his people down and was destined for greatness. While Merlin worked from behind the scene as magic was forbidden and did everything discretely so he seem pretty unremarkable but actually saved Authur from countless deaths.
Thus is similar to my theory about Han Solo. He is VERY force sensitive, but only at a base instinctive level. This explains Obi Wan's knowing smirk, and his survival of his many adventures, like making blind hyperjumps, and being able to calculate said blind jumps WITHOUT A COMPUTER!
I think this was confirmed a while ago
@@HollowedKnight66 Only if Lucas himself has said so. I don't consider any of the Dishit to even be Star Wars.
Been waiting for you to make this video 💪
Reading about Cain and he is truly a great hero as he does the right thing (even if he thinks hes selfish) despite his fears
I like to think Cain is alive out there in the 40k universe somewhere living quitely and happily with Amberley checking in once and awhile to spend time with him as a way to relax.
Desperately want Cavil to star as Ciaphus in the upcoming 40k series.
Cain, Jurgen and the Valhallan's are the reason I got into 40k. Man is a straight up pimp that has enough awareness to stay alive way longer then he had any right doing. Great video mate!
Ok straight up grabbing the audio books for this guy now. This was a cool video and you sold the shit out of how awesome this dude is, so looking forward to reading more.
I was getting withdrawals but the video crack about plastic crack dealer delivers
I think Cain may be a 40K version of the character Harry Flashman. They have the same story; cowardly self serving behavior but still able to pull through, have those actions be misconstrued as bravery/heroism, being military officers, and slaying mad gash.
If Cain wasn’t inspired by Flashman, it still is a big coincidence. In any case if you like the Cain books check out the Flashman series, same vibes but British.
There’s no way Sandy Mitchell wasn’t a fan of the flash man books. The first few pages of the Emperor’s finest immediately struck me as old Flashy goes to space. The glaring difference between the two is that Cain is actually a likeable person unlike flashman.
Yes he is based on Flashman
Sandy Mitchel said the inspiration for Cain was mainly Harry Flashman and Edmund Blackadder the forth(he even has his very own Baldrick)
There are no coincidences.
One of your best videos yet
Quality Vid with a different perspective. Nice job MK
Any man, who says he is not afraid as you go into combat is the man you get several meters from. In combat, fear can be mastered but most of all it keeps you alive.
Someone else has already suggested Commissar Gaunt, but really the Tanith First and Only as a whole deserve their own video. Yarrick is also a prime candidate, although you've covered him briefly in videos about Armageddon and the Orks. It might also be nice to have videos about individual Inquisitors like Amberly who've had major impacts on the setting. It's the nice thing about 40k lore, there's so much that no one man could feasibly cover everything in his lifetime, especially if you also dive into old lore like Squats or Digganobz.
Great, now I want to get the books and read/re-read them (I borrowed the first few back in the days). The hilarious epicness of these stories is definitely worth multiple reads. Thanks for the lore video!
This video made my day Thank You Majorkill
He actually suffers from severe nightmares as said by Vail because he would wake her up in the middle of the night from screaming
He did have one little bit of PTSD, *sorta*. There was one point he was on an asteroid, if memory serves, and people were disappearing. He had an absolute fear of necrons, imagining 'metal men coming through the walls' or some such. It's been a while since I read it, so might be a little off.
Hell yes! Been hoping for this video since first hearing about him in your other video!
Thanks Duder! I’ve been hoping you’ll give this dude some love. It would be cool to watch a video on notable Blanks/pariahs in the imperium i.e Juergen, Bequin, Iota and Aleya. Keep it up!
The first Cain book I read was definitely one of my favorites
The thing with Emperor ignoring nulls always makes me think of it like this: a psyker is a source of light, like a lamp, and a null is like a dark blanket, stopping light from passing.
The thing is, if all psykers are some source of light, some being like little bedside lamps, the stronger being like a streetlight, then the emperor is a fucking star.
Good luck throwing a blanket over the sun.
been loving the audible series on this guy!
You know how it’s amazing when the scared guy finally grows some balls and get shit done and become a hero despite it all? That’s Cain’s entire personality