In fact this riff became the outro to an obscure b-side from Rutherford's Smallcreep's Day, a song called "Compression." czcams.com/video/VBeNILIh2Do/video.html. It's a very good song.
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This was one of Rutherford's bits. It ended up being the end section of "Compression", which was the non-album flipside of "Waiting in Line", the single taken from Mike's first solo album "Smallcreep's Day"
+plod - I have to admit that when I read what you wrote I at first thought you were hearing things, but indeed around the 4:00 mark it began to emerge and wound up being almost note-for-note. Good ear and I apologize for doubting you. You must be quite the fan to know of that song. I thought I was the only one. ; )
Truthfully, I only realized it myself when a fellow fan pointed it out a few years ago. I have several boots of the Lamb sessions, but never actually noticed it myself until my friend made me pull out this particular session and listen again. Of course then, I heard it right away. The sad part is you really have to be a dedicated Rutherford fan to even know the song it became: "Compression" , which was left off Smallcreeps Day and was only released as the flipside to "Working in Line". I only knew it because I found the single at a used shop in the 80's. I hope some day Mike re-releases it with the track added back in. It's a lovely piece, that could really use a good remix!
+plod - Yes I agree. Simon Phillips percussive work on that track(and indeed the entire album) is stunning. The song would have made a decent closing track to side 1(in America anyway, as on British copies, side 1 was the Smallcreep side). I found my copy of the single at a record convention in the mid-90s.
WHO CARES!!! PETER WAS A PRICK FOR LEAVING AND GENESIS BECAME A GAY POP BAND...........:" ,CAT SCRACH MY ASS, OH WHAT ISN'T IT SCRACH MY BACK OR ASS HOLE WHAT EVER YOU KNOW THAT ALBUM PETER MADE OVER AND OVER............ HAPPY THOUGHTS :)
2:52 Love this picture. Tony looks like he doesn't want to be there, Mike is the opposite and the most laid back as usual! It has been said before, but depending what facial hair 'mood' he was in, Phil looked the spit of Kurt Cobain at some points. Yes, Derek Smalls from Spinal Tap on the left :D
Steve had such a unique sound. He wanted nothing to do with ‘shredding’ or showing off, just gently adding textures and making his instrument ‘yearn’ rather than ‘scream’. The band really lost its soul when he left.
Wow this is very rare and it gives us an insight into how they did these sessions jamming i suppose they all had different ideas on how to collaborate wonderful stuff😊😊😊😊😊😊
The riff here was resurrected for Mike's song ''Compression'' that featured as a B Side to the song ''Working In Line''. from the ''Smallcreep's Day'' album. It was the closing riff to the song and fades after about a minute and a half. Great riff.
A month earlier I saw them by chance. Had nothing else to do. Me and my friend went. I didn't even know who they were at the time. Took some Microdot and was pleasantly surprised. Lol
I think Rutherford is playing the riff here and suspect it's his to start with. Yes, it's the outro to Compression all right! I remember finding the single with that B-side at a used record store when I was 18; I thought I was a mighty cool insider to have it...
I think what we're listening to here might just be the very early attempts at what later becomes an intro to "broadway melody of 1974" from Lamb Lies down on Broadway. Hackett's sitar like guitar lines and Collins crashing drums are very simliar in that piece.
wonderful to get some insight into their processes at the time, I wonder if they said, well? Let's all keep jammin to this section of the tune for about 8 or 16 bars, and just repeat as its recorded then all on committee decide the best and play that part like that in the official take... Is that what's going on here?
This is the part that ended up being the beautiful and tragic end section of Mike Rutherford's 'Compression'- a b-side from his album Smallcreep's Day. I SO wish he would re-release the song in some form. There seems to be ONE single horrible recording of it off of someone's record, playback pitch problems and all, that constitute any hits you get searching for it.
As for who was best - Phil or Peter? It was a draw. Both fantastic. What were the odds of them both being in the same band? These fellas, along with several others from their generation, have played such a massive part in my life. Queen, Genesis and Pink Floyd - thank you!
There is no title track on Selling England By The Pound. There's a Coral sitar used during the verses of I Know What I Like. And yes, you're hearing that same instrument on this recording as well.
Not bad at all! It really fits squarely into the "Selling England" songs. I wish it had become a song. Has to be Steve on Guitar. I wonder who overdubbed the electric sitar line.
@petermayer: had the same thought. it sure sounds like that's mike with the sitar. or steve is playing both and this was not recorded live. but it sounds like the kind of theme mike would play.
IMO this kind of music cannot be improvised. 2:26 the bottom pad of Collins tom was previously used as top one... No money enough at that time for the best band ever.
Good spot (the 'riff'; not the...well you know). It's been awhile since I looked on the back of Selling England; to see credits who plays the electric sitar (on I know what I like). 'thought it was Hackett, maybe not. Here it's clearly, sort of Rutherford. This improv falls in line nicely, to give it a name. It's actually quite interesting. The pics. it kindof occurs to me, never gave it much thought but aside from Gabriel changing his appearance often during the '70s..they 'all' did. cont'd
I'm wondering (insignificant in a way) if Peter didn't get the shaved head idea from Derek Shulman of Gentle Giant. Look at the inside of "Acquiring The Taste" (released the year before Peter did the reverse Mohawk thing) and tell me if Derek doesn't have that same 'hairdo'. It was brave to do that in the early '70s.
The beginning of it sounds like the incidental score to the Wicker Man (I refer of course to the brilliant original 1973 film with Edward Woodward and not that god awful, diabolical piece of shite so called re-make with Nicolas Cage).
Shave haircuts..add a beard, don't add a beard. Mixing it up to get noticed I guess: to help make the rock & roll dollar. See if Banks only grew a beard in 1973 they would've broke the American market.
Just reading Collins autobiography, I had completely forgotten how huge his solo career was and what a rat he was to the women in his life. Brilliant drummer though...
I KNOW theres GOTTA be more of these tapes burried somewhere, and I CAN'T WAIT till they see the light of day!! FANTASTIC
steve`s guitar work and some of the accompaniment sounds like the embryo of broadway melody,,, anybody else hearing that?
Definitely hearing hints of several instrumental parts of LLDOB
Yes!
Spot on
I hear the seeds of "Fly On A Windshield"....
Funny, I hear the seeds of some Frank Zappa song from 'Joe's Garage', I forget the name now. Probably the guitar used.
Watermelon in Easter Hay has a similar arpeggio theme. Likely both were done on electric sitar.
me to,,
Dude, by seed he meant that it inspired the genesis (lol pun) of "Fly On A Windshield".
In fact this riff became the outro to an obscure b-side from Rutherford's Smallcreep's Day, a song called "Compression." czcams.com/video/VBeNILIh2Do/video.html. It's a very good song.
God I miss the prog music of the 70s.
❤You’re not the only one that really misses the prog rock of the 70’s & 80’s era My son is the drummer and lead vocalist in a prog metal band called Mastodon which is quite interesting and I enjoy it very much 🎉🎉❤❤
And me first!
How cool -- you can hear Rutherford on guitar/sitar, playing one of the melodies from his 1980 B-side "Compression" from 3:00 on ... Amazing!
This was one of Rutherford's bits. It ended up being the end section of "Compression", which was the non-album flipside of "Waiting in Line", the single taken from Mike's first solo album "Smallcreep's Day"
Thank you for the information!
+plod - I have to admit that when I read what you wrote I at first thought you were hearing things, but indeed around the 4:00 mark it began to emerge and wound up being almost note-for-note. Good ear and I apologize for doubting you. You must be quite the fan to know of that song. I thought I was the only one. ; )
Truthfully, I only realized it myself when a fellow fan pointed it out a few years ago. I have several boots of the Lamb sessions, but never actually noticed it myself until my friend made me pull out this particular session and listen again. Of course then, I heard it right away. The sad part is you really have to be a dedicated Rutherford fan to even know the song it became: "Compression" , which was left off Smallcreeps Day and was only released as the flipside to "Working in Line". I only knew it because I found the single at a used shop in the 80's. I hope some day Mike re-releases it with the track added back in. It's a lovely piece, that could really use a good remix!
+plod - Yes I agree. Simon Phillips percussive work on that track(and indeed the entire album) is stunning. The song would have made a decent closing track to side 1(in America anyway, as on British copies, side 1 was the Smallcreep side). I found my copy of the single at a record convention in the mid-90s.
WHO CARES!!! PETER WAS A PRICK FOR LEAVING AND GENESIS BECAME A GAY POP BAND...........:" ,CAT SCRACH MY ASS, OH WHAT ISN'T IT SCRACH MY BACK OR ASS HOLE WHAT EVER YOU KNOW THAT ALBUM PETER MADE OVER AND OVER............ HAPPY THOUGHTS :)
This demo is invaluable to understand how a composition evolves
THANKS SO MUCH FOR POSTING THIS!!!!
Love this - thanks for posting...
lol, if someone told me this was King Crimson I would believe it
+TruNordics14 I was exactly thinking the same!
Guitar sounds so Frippertronic here; almost Requiem by King Crimson.
King Crimson has commonly been mentioned as one band that influenced Genesis and of which members of Genesis listened to.
Matthew Butler
In The Court Of The Crimson King ceated the prog genre. All the pioneers of prog were disciples. King Crrimson changed everthing.
Actually, KC's first album changed EVERYTHING.
EX: BOTH Deep Purple and Black Sabbath said it made them go HEAVIER!
2:52 Love this picture. Tony looks like he doesn't want to be there, Mike is the opposite and the most laid back as usual! It has been said before, but depending what facial hair 'mood' he was in, Phil looked the spit of Kurt Cobain at some points. Yes, Derek Smalls from Spinal Tap on the left :D
+IThinkYouLookLarvely Tony looks like a young and thin Bach.
After recording, I wonder if PG went down the pub with the lads his bat wings still on. Bless him!
Steve had such a unique sound. He wanted nothing to do with ‘shredding’ or showing off, just gently adding textures and making his instrument ‘yearn’ rather than ‘scream’. The band really lost its soul when he left.
Wow this is very rare and it gives us an insight into how they did these sessions jamming i suppose they all had different ideas on how to collaborate wonderful stuff😊😊😊😊😊😊
Very interesting and great to have. Thanks.
The riff here was resurrected for Mike's song ''Compression'' that featured as a B Side to the song ''Working In Line''. from the ''Smallcreep's Day'' album. It was the closing riff to the song and fades after about a minute and a half. Great riff.
brings back good memories
Love it! Especially with Phils' work with the drums.
A month earlier I saw them by chance. Had nothing else to do. Me and my friend went. I didn't even know who they were at the time. Took some Microdot and was pleasantly surprised. Lol
meraviglioso
Hermoso juego de guitarras entre Hacket y Rutherford....excelente.
This is very good wow !
rutherford brings guitar riff back in his solo album smallcreeps day
I stay out of the Collins v Gabriel debate. But if pressed my answer is Gabriel.
Together they are better than either one alone!
...Broadway Melody of 1974...
You can hear how they developed the ideas to become 3 of the tracks from,' The Lamb Lies Down', album.
thanks
OMG - so it is! I still wonder whey "Compression" never made it onto the "Smallcreep's Day" album!
Buggar it, I love Peter and Phil both xxx
It's Compression!
Yeah I noticed that too towards the end. Now we know where Mike Rutherford got that riff from!
Yeah, Compression - I hear it too.
One of my all time favourite musical moments. I had wondered where it came from. Good knowing it was born from my favourite band.
I think Rutherford is playing the riff here and suspect it's his to start with. Yes, it's the outro to Compression all right! I remember finding the single with that B-side at a used record store when I was 18; I thought I was a mighty cool insider to have it...
its one hell of an album that can't find a place for this....
Never knew that, thanks...Phil always denied Silver Song existed, it does, I've heard it.
I think what we're listening to here might just be the very early attempts at what later becomes an intro to "broadway melody of 1974" from Lamb Lies down on Broadway. Hackett's sitar like guitar lines and Collins crashing drums are very simliar in that piece.
I know Hackett played the electric sitar for "I Know What I Like" in live shows, so I'm assuming he played it on record too.
Yep, you can see roughly where the ideas for "Fly on a windshield" and "Broadway melody 1974" came from 😎👍
wonderful to get some insight into their processes at the time, I wonder if they said, well? Let's all keep jammin to this section of the tune for about 8 or 16 bars, and just repeat as its recorded then all on committee decide the best and play that part like that in the official take... Is that what's going on here?
This is the part that ended up being the beautiful and tragic end section of Mike Rutherford's 'Compression'- a b-side from his album Smallcreep's Day.
I SO wish he would re-release the song in some form. There seems to be ONE single horrible recording of it off of someone's record, playback pitch problems and all, that constitute any hits you get searching for it.
first thing i think when i hear this is zappa's "what's new in baltimore"
If you're a fan of YES too....their studio sessions are on CZcams also. Their behind the scenes stuff is pretty cool too.
it sounds like working out the closing section of Dancing With The Moonlit Knight
As for who was best - Phil or Peter? It was a draw. Both fantastic. What were the odds of them both being in the same band? These fellas, along with several others from their generation, have played such a massive part in my life. Queen, Genesis and Pink Floyd - thank you!
Nice Sitar.. i guess they must have started a jam session going into I KNOW WHAT I LIKE soon after
E' stato realizzato nel 1980 da Mike Rutherford nel finale del brano Compression!!
Steve Hackett reminds me of the guy on "Spinal Tap"...the one who gets stuck in the pod prop lol
He definitely had a "Derek Smalls" mustache for a while there, didn't he?
hehe yuppers
Glad someone out there at least knows what I am saying . Gotta watch that movie again, its been about a year since I saw it lol
just make sure you turn it up to 11...
ROTF Im gonna do that. This is the start of my weekend, and it is #1 on my to do list 11...how funny
+BoBo0807 This track is like the fusion jazz set Spinal tap played warming up for Puppet Show when Nigel split.
Sounds like they are using the electric sitar that they used in the title track Selling England by the Pound. Tune also sounds like After the Ordeal.
defenetely, around 1:40 you can see hacketts work at making the FOAW solo
You don't often hear Steve's laser guitar with what sounds like electric sitar at the same time.
Right on the cusp of when contact lenses were invented, no doubt...
Where did you get all those pics? They're wonderful! Oh, and this is a cool jam, BTW.
There is no title track on Selling England By The Pound. There's a Coral sitar used during the verses of I Know What I Like. And yes, you're hearing that same instrument on this recording as well.
The title is from the song “Dancing with the Moonlit Knight” -
“It’s seems he drowned, Selling England by the Pound”.
Not bad at all! It really fits squarely into the "Selling England" songs. I wish it had become a song. Has to be Steve on Guitar. I wonder who overdubbed the electric sitar line.
james woody I assume mike was playing was playing the sitar, because I hear no bass guitar
@petermayer: had the same thought. it sure sounds like that's mike with the sitar. or steve is playing both and this was not recorded live. but it sounds like the kind of theme mike would play.
Love the last photo....from that Belgian show, right?
@windwardpro Look again, I believe someone posted a pretty clean version of "Compression" ...
Super's ready is my favorite.
This sounds similar to a track called 'you know you know' by Mahavishnu orchestra.Check it out,see what you think.
IMO this kind of music cannot be improvised.
2:26 the bottom pad of Collins tom was previously used as top one... No money enough at that time for the best band ever.
Can’t think why this didn’t make it to the album. And, who stole Peter’s shirt!
I hear something that will become Ripples.
Is Mike playing the electric sitar?
Good spot (the 'riff'; not the...well you know). It's been awhile since I looked on the back of Selling England; to see credits who plays the electric sitar (on I know what I like). 'thought it was Hackett, maybe not. Here it's clearly, sort of Rutherford. This improv falls in line nicely, to give it a name. It's actually quite interesting. The pics. it kindof occurs to me, never gave it much thought but aside from Gabriel changing his appearance often during the '70s..they 'all' did. cont'd
I'm wondering (insignificant in a way) if Peter didn't get the shaved head idea from Derek Shulman of Gentle Giant. Look at the inside of "Acquiring The Taste" (released the year before Peter did the reverse Mohawk thing) and tell me if Derek doesn't have that same 'hairdo'. It was brave to do that in the early '70s.
... first picture (black & white ) at 1:00 is remarkingly so close looking like his daughter Lily Collins ...
@Hickers75 ye this does have mahavishnu influence for sure!
Is Mike Rutherford playing the sitar?
2:38 Pete, what the hell? Did your codpiece get twisted sideways or something?
Sounds a tad like I Know What I Like but with a different time signature
defenitely
why?
They should have done this instead of And Then There Where Three.
psychedelic Genesis!
Gents - for fashion tips, pause at 2:41
Ladies - for impressive bulges, pause at 2:41
Tony England Hackett =king dong
Great post! Unisex. I liked it back then when people weren’t so prude. Course I wasn’t 1 yr old but from pictures it seems so
Tony England I thought your post said impressive budgies for a moment 😆
@ElGramofono or vice versa wink wink ...actually big fan of both. Genesis sure has a huge body of work though, plus reams of solo.
That's Phil drumming
@PeterMayer: We will never know, I'm afraid. :)
i wonder what peter was doing here
making love with jill moore
Flute.
Is it Tony Banks? or Dave Mustaine?
yes !!!! Mike obviously was listening to that Mahavishnu song,thus...
Sounds like Fly on the Windscreen / Broadway Melody ...
The beginning of it sounds like the incidental score to the Wicker Man (I refer of course to the brilliant original 1973 film with Edward Woodward and not that god awful, diabolical piece of shite so called re-make with Nicolas Cage).
This sounds a lot like the beginning of The Beatles' song "Because."
compression b side waiting in line
is collins in this clip, i dont recognise him
Hem!
I hear twighlight alehouse and The music box
Understood that this ist never released official.not every Sound piece/Collage is cult or a Gift of Genius/God.just a Jam.
Don't hear any keyboards.. Maybe Tony on the sitar sounding guitar..?
chip slaymaker there’s definitely keyboards, but their in the background, there is no bass though
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Funny thing is Hackett looks weirder than Gabriel in that first picture of the band.
Sounds like teen spirit.
LOL maybe one day they'll grow up and never need outtakes/demos to structure a tune and become sonic geniuses like you... oh wait (._.")
Shave haircuts..add a beard, don't add a beard. Mixing it up to get noticed I guess: to help make the rock & roll dollar. See if Banks only grew a beard in 1973 they would've broke the American market.
Sound like king crimson
Nursery Crimes
Very typical rehearsal impro of some art school band.
Kids learning to play?
@ElGramofono or vice versa wink wink
Needs a real singer like Justin Bieber to add some vocals!
druidmechanics beiber would faint in the presence of such musicality
LOL
Just reading Collins autobiography, I had completely forgotten how huge his solo career was and what a rat he was to the women in his life. Brilliant drummer though...
Sounds like a proto Fly On A Windshield
phil get behind the drums and stay there, or ,no supper for you.