Shavorese: A 4D conlang of infinite complexity.

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  • @Arctures
    @Arctures Před 2 měsíci +195

    I just watched the video

  • @falnica
    @falnica Před 2 měsíci +95

    I downloaded this video so when civilization collapses I'll be able to watch it on my computer if I manage to generate enough electricity

    • @remrevo3944
      @remrevo3944 Před 2 měsíci +14

      Just print the data of the video in hexadecimal on to paper/a longer holding material, so you only have to teach yourself how the video decoder works instead of having to rely on electricity and computer hardware.

    • @stomperlp8924
      @stomperlp8924 Před 2 měsíci

      would be easier to understand the video tbh@@remrevo3944

  • @politian32
    @politian32 Před 2 měsíci +157

    I can't help but imagine the experience of being fluent in this, and feeling your mind stretch into the endlessness of space just to say hello. I want to listen/witness a conversation held in this so bad 😅

    • @zzineohp
      @zzineohp  Před 2 měsíci +41

      very good video idea

    • @vindi167
      @vindi167 Před 2 měsíci +14

      PLEASE @@zzineohp make a video of people talking in it (i don't care how heavily staged it is, i just want to see what it might be like)

    • @torbzilla
      @torbzilla Před 2 měsíci +7

      ​@@zzineohpPlease please please no matter how staged as said above

    • @pr0hobo
      @pr0hobo Před 2 měsíci +3

      I agree i would love to see that so bad

  • @robertroach9157
    @robertroach9157 Před 2 měsíci +50

    "Don't try to understand it. Feel it."
    -TENET

    • @mattynek2
      @mattynek2 Před 2 měsíci +1

      TENET MENTIONED🦅🦅🦅WTF IS GOOD SOUND ENGINEERING🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅

  • @Eric_Pham
    @Eric_Pham Před 2 měsíci +94

    This video is like Jan Misali with a splash of JREG amazing

    • @unktheunk1428
      @unktheunk1428 Před 2 měsíci +11

      There is an aspect of concreteness here that isn't fully present in Jan Misali
      so I think this video falls withing the triangular bound between those two and Khan Academy

    • @loupfau29
      @loupfau29 Před 2 měsíci +1

      The two most artists of our time😮

  • @robingates-shannon931
    @robingates-shannon931 Před 2 měsíci +50

    im only halfway through and i feel like im having a stroke. amazing job

    • @espressoaddict15324
      @espressoaddict15324 Před 2 měsíci +1

      You're having a stroke at halfway? I'm having a stroke at 5 minutes in

  • @itryen7632
    @itryen7632 Před 2 měsíci +24

    It's cursedlangs like this that make me wish for more academic shitposting

  • @alexkuhn5078
    @alexkuhn5078 Před 2 měsíci +18

    "I have a bicycle" - good on you
    "The bicycle went to the store" - bizarre
    "I attached a leash to the bicycle" - ...inventive?
    "He took off the bicycle's collar" - good
    "The blind man walks using his bicycle" - not a good idea
    "I made this sweater for the bicycle" - ...artistic?
    "The squirrel ran away from the bicycle" - normal
    "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy bicycle" - fox has more spare time and energy than I do

  • @JohnSmith-of2gu
    @JohnSmith-of2gu Před 2 měsíci +65

    You took the discrete chart of vowels and went "Nahh I can make this a continuous scale like the vowel chart". Impressive.

  • @SupaKoopaTroopa64
    @SupaKoopaTroopa64 Před 2 měsíci +46

    This is what I imagine an intermediary language generated by a translation software's auto-encoder would sound/look like if it was manifested into a form of human communication.
    10/10, can't wait for a Duolingo course on this.

  • @cedriko1662
    @cedriko1662 Před 2 měsíci +11

    This is like a language, mathematics and technical drawing class all at the same time.

  • @zzineohp
    @zzineohp  Před 2 měsíci +38

    10:26 Must be nice for your mom to be listed under a source you can TRUST-me personally, I something about gaslighting and that of course leads to

  • @gcampax
    @gcampax Před 2 měsíci +41

    This is absolutely amazing, and a mere peek of what a non-human language could be (artificial or alien). After all, it sticks to human compositionality, human word order, and even human abilities to voice and gestures. And yet it's so, so far from any existing natural language. Art.

  • @40watt53
    @40watt53 Před 2 měsíci +12

    This is what happens when you listen to that homeless guy.

    • @zzineohp
      @zzineohp  Před 2 měsíci +11

      i open my mouth and exhale pure, unadulterated meaning

  • @pelegsap
    @pelegsap Před 2 měsíci +8

    I have a strong feeling that knowing Lie algebras could somehow help me understand the maths of this language better

    • @xicad1533
      @xicad1533 Před 2 měsíci

      fuzzy logic would help more

  • @GehennaGirls
    @GehennaGirls Před 2 měsíci +6

    This felt like a mad scientist explaining his creation

  • @machitoons
    @machitoons Před 2 měsíci +10

    i honestly entirely unironically love this idea of non-discrete/continuous morphology or w.e.
    that tone example for encoding 'certainty' via rising/falling is actually p smart lol

  • @kajvanveendev
    @kajvanveendev Před 2 měsíci +6

    I've always wanted to make a clong like this but could never figure out how. Awesome job, very cool!!

    • @zzineohp
      @zzineohp  Před 2 měsíci +6

      We shortened it further? Was conlang not short enough?

    • @kajvanveendev
      @kajvanveendev Před měsícem +3

      @@zzineohp cng.

  • @j.b.5422
    @j.b.5422 Před 2 měsíci +7

    Listening to this while being kinda distracted to Unterstand even less while being a near newbie on conlanging is the true objectively best way to experience this

  • @Denneth_D.
    @Denneth_D. Před 2 měsíci +5

    I can hear Æternal cackling already…

  • @purplenanite
    @purplenanite Před 2 měsíci +16

    Oh my god
    When I saw the polyhedra bouncing around, I thought it was glorious.
    When I got to the concept map, I was horrified. This is awesome!
    Although the plosive box and the fricative box bounce off each other, but I think you could get the vowel pentagon to play with them too. if you bend the vowel range down 90 degrees and extrude the region out, it may work. The pentagon turns into a pentagonal prism the length of the boxes, so it can't be flipped over, and the extra dimension does nothing to the pentagon. I don't know how that would work linguistically, but I think it works geometrically.
    Your idea of the concept space at 8:40 kinda inspired me
    I suppose if we wanted the most efficient words, we would take our map of concepts, and split it in half. A "0" but would mean one side of the hyperplane, "1" would mean the other. Each side of the plane is also split in halves, all the way down
    and we just keep sending out bits until we are satisfied with our precision.

    • @zzineohp
      @zzineohp  Před 2 měsíci +6

      Yeah the writing systems gonna have to be insane

  • @belot217
    @belot217 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Watch this prove improbably useful in programming some quantum computer in 200 years.

  • @kellymoses8566
    @kellymoses8566 Před 2 měsíci +3

    This is the fusion of linguistics and geometry that I didn't know I needed!

  • @himynameismax7516
    @himynameismax7516 Před 2 měsíci +5

    What (and I mean this in the most complimentary way possible) the actual fuck?

  • @stomperlp8924
    @stomperlp8924 Před 2 měsíci +2

    half way through, didnt know i needed a math degree to understand a video about language

    • @stomperlp8924
      @stomperlp8924 Před 2 měsíci

      update: done now. i now either want to learn this fluently or hit my head against a wall until it too becomes a 4 dimensional infinitely complex soup

  • @_JUNGSEIPEI_
    @_JUNGSEIPEI_ Před 2 měsíci +3

    Poetry in this language would be insane

  • @lilemont9302
    @lilemont9302 Před 2 měsíci +4

    > what I call oral release
    Because it certainly doesn't increase the oral relief, alright...

  • @EdwardNavu
    @EdwardNavu Před 2 měsíci +2

    The Vowel Space video by Dr Geoff Lindsey would be a godsend for learning this language I guess

  • @metube7332
    @metube7332 Před 2 měsíci +1

    This is literally Borges' endgame finally realized

  • @cheedozer7391
    @cheedozer7391 Před 2 měsíci +8

    This is a poor man's infinite complexity! Why not simply project out the extra dimension (its topology makes it redundant, anyway) and place the phoneme space on the boundary of a 4D fractal?

    • @zzineohp
      @zzineohp  Před 2 měsíci +9

      I do linguistics not math so n

    • @cheedozer7391
      @cheedozer7391 Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@zzineohp Fair enough 👍

    • @tahunuva4254
      @tahunuva4254 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@zzineohpI mean you clearly found n, that's more than I ever managed

  • @kokiriforistima
    @kokiriforistima Před 2 měsíci +5

    where are the click consonants????

  • @wlwgwlwgnomesarereal
    @wlwgwlwgnomesarereal Před 2 měsíci +3

    hey, that's not a conlang! that's just math!

  • @I_Love_Learning
    @I_Love_Learning Před 2 měsíci +2

    You keep getting better and better!

  • @livedandletdie
    @livedandletdie Před 2 měsíci +7

    Must be what the MC Villagers speak... And No I didn't see your profile picture until I had started typing this addendum to the first sentence.

  • @o_enamuel
    @o_enamuel Před 11 dny

    5:17 "Am I making sense so fár?"

  • @unktheunk1428
    @unktheunk1428 Před 2 měsíci +2

    The final pronunciation sounds like there's a joke hidden for if you play it backwards, but I cannot be bothered to download and figure out how to play it backward

  • @RafalRacegPolonusSum
    @RafalRacegPolonusSum Před 2 měsíci +2

    Beautiful

  • @j.b.5422
    @j.b.5422 Před 2 měsíci +2

    oh so like that recent video by generic entertainment (yes, that's the actual channel name)

  • @valentinaaugustina
    @valentinaaugustina Před 2 měsíci +2

    10:26 thank god someone finally made a place for me to dump my mommy issues! one score and two years ago, a demon spoke into my ear, and it was my name on her tongue.

    • @valentinaaugustina
      @valentinaaugustina Před 2 měsíci +2

      anyway your conlang is terrifying to a cosmic degree? i’m absolutely bird-gender btw

  • @OpenSourceAnarchist
    @OpenSourceAnarchist Před 2 měsíci +2

    This makes me want to study linguistics again lol. I'm waiting for an n-dimensional language based on the computational rule / hypergraph evolution framework from Wolfram 😅

  • @pr0hobo
    @pr0hobo Před 2 měsíci

    you earned a sub and im saving this video

  • @emjots
    @emjots Před 2 měsíci

    new lojban update looks great

  • @yannblanc7224
    @yannblanc7224 Před 2 měsíci

    I watched all of it. And I liked it.

  • @tigergaj
    @tigergaj Před 2 měsíci

    This video opened up my 5th eye

  • @cadextheclock24
    @cadextheclock24 Před měsícem +1

    0:05 me jumpscare

  • @im-radio
    @im-radio Před 2 měsíci +2

    holy shit i love

  • @filmcase1683
    @filmcase1683 Před 2 měsíci

    Sounds like the men in black 2 beat boxing postal office scene

  • @Garfield_Minecraft
    @Garfield_Minecraft Před 2 měsíci +3

    i was also trying to do that too
    but it gets too complicated even for me so i think just stop making it

  • @janpipiko
    @janpipiko Před 2 měsíci +2

    I've always wanted a language that sounds like a Transformer with dying batteries thank you so much 🙏 (genuinely though amazing work, I didn't understand a second of it but it was amazing)

  • @anon_y_mousse
    @anon_y_mousse Před 2 měsíci +2

    What the actual fu...
    ck did I just watch.

    • @Denneth_D.
      @Denneth_D. Před měsícem +1

      A video about a very complex conlang

  • @Zedryx69
    @Zedryx69 Před 2 měsíci

    I need a calculator to understand this

  • @phylliida
    @phylliida Před 2 měsíci +2

    What would an accent with someone native in this language sound like?

    • @zzineohp
      @zzineohp  Před 2 měsíci +3

      I mean technically it has every phoneme English does, except l- and the r-colored vowels, or opening diphthongs, would be broken up into two syllables with an inserted glide.

  • @The0Stroy
    @The0Stroy Před měsícem

    Ok. I expected quote from bee movie...

  • @ProjectLunis
    @ProjectLunis Před 2 měsíci

    i need a vocab list of the roots

  • @An_Attempt
    @An_Attempt Před 2 měsíci

    This was oddly helpful for a problem of mine.

  • @indigo8130
    @indigo8130 Před 2 měsíci

    i have zero clue what is happening but 5:29 f r ui t

  • @AndreaColombo-fx1wh
    @AndreaColombo-fx1wh Před 14 dny

    The most cursed language ever

  • @Fukiyel
    @Fukiyel Před 2 měsíci +4

    Thanks I hate it 🙂

  • @xicad1533
    @xicad1533 Před 2 měsíci

    google fuzzy logic

  • @AndreaColombo-fx1wh
    @AndreaColombo-fx1wh Před měsícem

    Cool

  • @LinguaPhiliax
    @LinguaPhiliax Před 24 dny

    Could have gone a step further by outlining the *chirophonology of the signed components.
    (*I just made this word up.)

  • @LinguaPhiliax
    @LinguaPhiliax Před 25 dny

    You took autosegments to the 4th dimension?
    On an unrelated note, what's the IPA transcription of your channel name?

    • @zzineohp
      @zzineohp  Před 24 dny

      /zɪniːɒp/ or /zɪniːɒf/ is used to approximate it in english, but the Native pronunciation is [ʑːine̯ɔʰp]

  • @DaraelDraconis
    @DaraelDraconis Před měsícem

    Why are you the way that you are? (amused, vaguely positive)

  • @Pining_for_the_fjords
    @Pining_for_the_fjords Před 2 měsíci +8

    Try telling a speaker of this language that gender isn't a spectrum.

  • @lettuceandotherveggies715
    @lettuceandotherveggies715 Před 2 měsíci +4

    This is horrible slash pee ohw ess

  • @iamdigory
    @iamdigory Před 2 měsíci

    ni toki li toki ike, taso ona li pona tawa mi lawa

  • @austinrimel7860
    @austinrimel7860 Před 2 měsíci

    .....what?

  • @equilibrum999
    @equilibrum999 Před 2 měsíci

    啊' y啊, th啊 c啊nl啊ngs.

  • @Somethingiguess-tj6xo
    @Somethingiguess-tj6xo Před 2 měsíci

    I understood nothing

  • @pirukiddingme1908
    @pirukiddingme1908 Před měsícem

    What

  • @francy3643
    @francy3643 Před 2 měsíci +5

    Tf are you saying

    • @Denneth_D.
      @Denneth_D. Před 2 měsíci +2

      I think you shouldn’t have commented here.

    • @mt180extras
      @mt180extras Před 2 měsíci

      whatever he wants. and he's using four dimensions to do it. incredible

  • @Poopick
    @Poopick Před 26 dny

    I dont think you can really aspirate a fully voiced consonant, because of how aspiration works.
    The aspiration is a short segment between a consonant and a vowel that is basically just you exhaling air with the same phonation of the consonant in a way that seperates the consonant from the vowel. The vowel is usually voiced in some way, and usually fully voiced.
    Now, if both the consonat and the vowel have the same phonation then the aspiration is more like a written thing or an underline thing then a surface level thing, if you carch my drift

    • @zzineohp
      @zzineohp  Před 26 dny +1

      well there is always breathy voice

    • @Poopick
      @Poopick Před 26 dny

      @@zzineohp please elaborate

    • @zzineohp
      @zzineohp  Před 26 dny +1

      @@Poopick It's sort of the voiced equivalent of aspiration, they have it in Indian languages. It's like aspiration, but instead of voicelessness, it shifts the following consonants up into a weird register type thing that's hard to describe

    • @Poopick
      @Poopick Před 25 dny

      @@zzineohp isnt it just murmured consonants, as in "breathy voiced"?
      like there is some aspiration but its not like b̬ʰ but more like b̤ʰ (excuse the ʰ as substitute for superscript ɦ). So the aspiration is not voiceless, but murmured, like the consonant. You probably know about the bʰ dʰ ǵʰ gʰ gʷʰ, so those are pretty much the same bʰ dʰ ɖʰ ɟʰ ɡʰ of sanskrit which are inherited from (and anyone please correct me cause im doing this from memory) the indo iranian bʰ dʰ ɖʐʰ(?) dʑʰ ɡʰ (or something along the lines). They are just murmured. The pʰ tʰ ʈʰ cʰ kʰ came only later in the sanskrit, and i do not know about an earlier version in the indo iranian prototype.

  • @LeoStaley
    @LeoStaley Před 2 měsíci

    Why do conlangs need to be audibly pronouncable? Just make all your constructions written with no association with actual speaking. Honesty that's almost what Chinese writing is.

  • @tomkerruish2982
    @tomkerruish2982 Před 2 měsíci

    I believe the Bekenstein Bound places a finite upper limit on the actual complexity. You'd only get an uncountable infinity of possibilities in classical mechanics. However, some (very) rough (mental) calculations put it in the neighborhood of exp(10²⁸), which should suffice.