REFRIGERATION without the POWER GRID - How will YOU SURVIVE?
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The temps get so high, in Texas, I think that my best bet would be a solar generator. I wish I had family members, who would take this stuff seriously.
I am in the same boat as you. I'm in deep south Texas, near the water. Heat and humidity is a killer. And, like you, my family doesn't take it seriously. Hang in there! Be blessed.
Keep at it sweets x
I'm in bullhead City Arizona. I can empathize. My family and virtually everyone that knows me think I'm an idiot or a paranoid nut for prepping for every bad situation that could likely happen. When emergencies happen and they're all lost and panicking, I WONT BE đ
All but one child takes prepping seriously.
You just have to get ready. Iâm not talking about my preps with friends and family anymore. Look at whatâs just happened in Russia. Our world is heading for a collision. Doesnât that say something. I canât get rid of my stuff quick enough so that I can live lighter. keep prepping as I am.
These are some things the Amish do to keep food cool. 1.) Put it down in the basement. 2.) Put it in a trough of very cold water 3.) They have a small room closed off to the rest of the house, they put food on shelves in there, and there is a window. They can regulate the temperature by opening and closing the window. This room stays much cooler than the rest of the house. 4.) They have an ice house. It is a well insulated room with a huge insulated door. In winter they build a wood frame, cover it with plastic, fill it with water, and let it freeze like an ice rink. They cut blocks out of it and put it in the ice house layering it with snow. It stays much cleaner that way. This ice lasts all year. 5.) They have a cooling unit from a semi that is run on diesel. Amish dairies will use these.
Thanks for the great content! You bring up some really important points about preparedness. If you're interested in exploring these topics further, we'd recommend checking out our award-winning documentary called Grid Down Power Up - Documentary, narrated by Dennis Quaid. Itâs packed with valuable information and insights, and it's free to watch on CZcams. We also have a website where you can take action by contacting legislators and public utilities, which could be a helpful resource for anyone looking to get more involved. Please help us spread the word.
I grew up on a farm about 15 miles from the nearest community, we didnât have electricity until I went to high school, itâs about 90-100% humidity where Iâm from, we have 2 seasons in Texas summer and hades
I live in Alaska, I am good on refrigeration
An ice chest type freezer/refrigerator is great because a stand upright one loses a lot of cold every time you open it but a chest type maintains coolness way better
Those small soda can size fridge that run off USB, have one for insulin as a last resort. I got a small countertop bullet ice maker that I can make ice from the solar system as an alternative to powering fridge from same system.
Good stuff! This isn't covered enough.
You can keep ice frozen in the chest freezer and move it to the fridge to keep it chilled..then switch when they begin to melt..use old soda bottles or milk jugs ..if you have a way to keep the freezer going.
That's my plan
Can everything. And get a dorm fridge for milk, cheese and eggs. Use a generator with solar panels to run it. A portable swamp cooler will also run off the generator; you might needs an additional set of panels to keep it at 100% while it's running. Open a kitchen window and hang a wet towel in front of it. Open another window across the room/house for a cross breeze. Sauerkraut can be made by burying it in the ground and aging it a couple of months. We used to cool our watermelon in the stream when we went camping.
As many of the Goshen Fam know, I went without power from July to this past March. I have a solar generator or power station. Ecoflow 2016 kw Delta Max.... one portal set of 160w solar panels (that I was not permitted to use on property), so had to rely on friendly neighbours to recharge me daily. I cycled my fridge/freezer off and on... exhausting... kept my laptop and phone... oh and a few LED lights going. Used tealights, 4x4hours to heat a pot of water to sponge bath with, quickly in the winter. Also tried a number of other candle, systems, etc... some I liked but expensive for the candles for example. I eventually lost the battle for my freezer, that took me 2 years little by little to build up... all gone. most of my fridge the same... for the few items like butter, cream, cheese, sandwich meats when I could get them, eggs... It got cold enough I could use the window sill to keep cold... sometimes a bit too cold and I'd find my cream too frozen to pour into my cold coffee. I did eventually get my electricity back in Feb. and heat with hot water at end of Feb. ... but recently, the landlord thought they'd try again and be clever enough to leave the hot water as to not get Rental Enforcement involved this time... so we are heading into hot season ... which I prefer over frostbitten fingers and toes! So this year, if Ineed to, and maybe if i dont need to, I may use the flowing water. In winter I had to keep my water taps flowing a tad to keep them from freezing... I didn't like hearing the water run, so I ran it into pails.bowls. It was always cold... the only problem I have with that, is how to keep the items in aur tight containers, under the water. I may need to go hunting for some various rocks perhaps. I don't want it at bottom of the pail necessarily either...maybe the rocks can be an anchor of sorts.... I'll configure something. Think I just firmly decided upon my plan... save my backup power for communications... it'll go a lot further. :) TIP: never use solar power stations to provide ANY source of heat, nnot curling irons, kettle, hot plate, coffee pot, etc. NOTHING. Heat uses power like rockets burn fuel!! My system would last an hour or so. Not worth it. If I could have had a woodstove, I would've been in FAR better shape. Fire really did change everything for humans. Now policies are trying to take us back into pre-historic times!! We really need to fight laws preventing wood burning stoves. @Goshen Prepping
How not permit to used on property when they are preaching green
This doesn't work in an apartment complex where I live đą
I bought the EcoFlow Delta Max 2. We have a Yette solar battery that we got in 2019, with a folding Bolder solar panel; and with the EcoFlow we have a 2nd folding solar panel. How much solar power do we need for just basic available solar power? I have no knowledge/experience with solar. One CZcamsr told me to buy two 100w Renology solar panels. I see on the EcoFlow web page that they offer a larger watt solar panel (I think it is 240w?). Any tips/thoughts? Thank you.
Rose Red Homestead did a nice video on solar panels
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! You brought up some great points. If youâre interested in this topic, we encourage you to check out our award-winning documentary called Grid Down Power Up - Documentary, narrated by Dennis Quaid. Itâs free on CZcams, and it goes into a lot of detail on these issues. Plus, theyâve got a website where you can take action by contacting legislators and public utilities. Please help us spread the word.
You can convert a chest freezer to a refrigerator for a fairly low cost creating a frig that is as efficient as a freezer which does well using solar power. Lots of how-to videos out there.
Honestly, in a grid down situation, I wouldn't be worried all that much about keeping a freezer going, or anything but a small dometic type frig just to keep water chilled a bit during the hotter months. I wouldn't expect stores to be stocked ... or pharmacies for that matter. I would expect local farmers and enterprising people to have items for sale, particularly things such as eggs, honey, produce in the summer and fall, etc. Meat, whether from livestock or wild is fairly easy to process if you are canning it or making jerky and then it is shelf stable. Honestly, the odds of a grid down issue and being able to 'shop' at any store seems a bit far fetched to me (hopefully I'm wrong, but without farming/trucking, where is the restock coming from?). At that point, having a cool to coldish drink when it is hot out would be a luxury, and even a shallow well can provide that on it's own. Draw water, boil/filter, and keep that in back down in the well in a leak proof container. A life without stores is not something 99.9 % of the US population has had to deal with, and wrapping one's head around that alone is difficult. But, without electricity, a lot of what we consider normal will vanish in an instant. That new reality is what we need to plan for, and it is a harsh one compared to what we have abundantly right now.
Itâs probably a good idea to have some cash like small bills on hand in case you live near a farm and you can purchase some of their vegetables until there is no more water to give to the vegetables. How are we going to grow our own food, unless we have stored water, but then thatâll go really quickly. Scary times coming.
@@terryhall2299 We have a fairly large garden as well as a water cachement system and a shallow well (with a hand pump).
Being able to collect rain water if that is your only option is paramount. You can use tarps set at an angle, your roof, a shed roof, etc. You will also need containers to store that water such as barrels, large totes (250+ gallons), a pool, a cistern (which could feasibly be dug after any collapse as long as you have a place in mind and the materials you'll need), and the means to filter that water. A simple three bucket system built with three five gallon buckets, some cotton cloth (old tshirts work well), and enough of each ~ gravel, sand, activated charcoal to fill each. Running water through the gravel removes larger particles and things such as leaves and small sticks. The sand removes most smaller particles. The charcoal removes toxins and bacteria that can make you sick. Add a faucet (you can purchase a stainless steel version meant to work with Berkey filters for about $30) to drain water from the lowest (charcoal) bucket. Boil it for 10 minutes and then either store in clean containers or run it through a Berkey filter for additional protection.
For watering your own garden, you can use the water straight from the roof. Learn now how to properly mulch your garden to conserve water. Water is life ~ and it should be one of your primary areas of preparedness.
@@LierinEdana oh my goodness! This is wonderful information. I like the idea of capturing water from the roof to use to water my garden. Iâm a little saddened though because I live in California and it doesnât rain very often here but I should be prepared for when it does. I also want to look into ways to mulch my garden to help conserve water as well. Thank you for these wonderful ideas and suggestions.
@@terryhall2299 You're very welcome. Since you live in an area that doesn't get regular rain, you may want to look into creating garden swales now and get them started. These work in a passive manner to collect any rain water that falls and keep a deeper area of the soil wet to damp ~ and they distribute water to every area that you dig them. They also collect and distribute rain water that doesn't fall on your roof, as well as directing it to where it is most needed.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! You brought up some great points. If youâre interested in this topic, we encourage you to check out our award-winning documentary called Grid Down Power Up - Documentary, narrated by Dennis Quaid. Itâs free on CZcams, and it goes into a lot of detail on these issues. Plus, theyâve got a website where you can take action by contacting legislators and public utilities. Please help us spread the word.
A/C not a must where I live. In my preps I have a small 120v fridge in a 45 gal barrel faraday cage with solar panels and inverter in the event of an EMP. Also other back means of power. For other disasters my solar system is capable of handling the fridge and freezer until the food can be consumed.
I have similar arrangements and EMP bunkering. Recently got a Dometic 45 CFX that can run on 12v/51watts, its not EMP shielded yet, I can use that for normal grid down events without having to break the Faraday cages open for more hardcore equipment. I'm currently freeze drying lots of food into mylar with absorbers and all that stuff too, plus we have a huge garden.
Don't forget, if they use an EMP they might do a follow up a few weeks later to get what we pulled out or have left.
Generators nowadays run on gas, propane and natural gas and can power up entire homes so don't count them out. Propane also has an indefinite shelf life so it is good to stock up on it if you have a tri-fuel generator that can plug to your electric panel.
Until they are outlawed along with gas stoves. Until then keep it on the down-low.
Lived in CA from '74-'96, mainly in the Bakersfield area.
90% of the time with a Swamp Cooler.
Summer's were normally 100+ degrees.
When it would get 105-107 or so, I would use 2 liter pop bottles to make blocks of ice and put in the bottom of the cooler. Made a big difference. Also, I would take cheap water sprinkler and put on top of the house.
Wetting down that asfalt shingled roof helped a lot too.
We had a bar in south Texas with a swamp cooler. It was outside a window. I would take ice from the ice machine and fill up the bottom of the swamp cooler. It turned it into an air conditioner.
I have a 18KW solar system on my roof and a way to excite the grid tied inverters to turn on. I also bought a dorm refrigerator freezer that is uses very little power. In a grid down we limit opening our main refrigerator freezer. In an exteneded grid down I can charge large batteries during the day and power low power devices all the time, including the dorm fridge freezer.
That's a very decent amount of solar power. Nice job! Do you, or have you noticed significant changes in power ability when the sun isn't shining?? Do you have any wind power and a system switch or combination for that? Depending on your location of course, but wind is probably more constant on avverage, day or night. Kind of wished these solar stations had THAT back up ability. If one is not available the other is, sometimes even available at SAME time. I think I've concluded that wind might be worth putting money into, tho I still like solar as perhaps smoother constant ( overall). My grandparents spoke of having wind mills on the farm, when the wind blew, they used electricity...when it didn't, it was old school. Simple as that. Do you have batteries to help retain any of your generated power?? For those who can't or dont want the cost of lithium batteries, apparently, marine batteries are better than car batteries... but I can't recall why. Think there were multiple reasons.
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Marine batteries are a little heavier with lead plates, compared to a car battery.
I'm using 6 volt golf cart batteries, instead. 2 will make 12 volts when hooked up positive to negative on both batteries. I also bout used 12 volt, 120 watt Kyocera solar panels for my off grid cabin.
I have a 2,000 watt inverter that can be found at loves or pilot truck stops. Good solid inverter. Name brand is POWER DRIVE INVERTERS.
For fridges, I have dometic Rc3000, roll around cooler that runs on propane, 12 volts and 120 volts. It is 35 liters. Good investment!
Then a Norcold 2.7 cubic ft fridge freezer that runs on 120 volts and propane. It's known as a 2 way fridge.
Covered all my bases I think. Even an RV instant hot water heater made by eco-temp. Runs on 2 d cell batteries for the pizo igniter and propane.
When I was a kid, back in the 60s, my uncle lived in a tar paper shack way back in the boonies. He was one of those wealthy hermits, sort of a precursor to modern-day preppers. He had a kerosene powered refrigerator that fascinated me back then. They still make them.
I use indoor/outdoor wireless thermometers to monitor the temperatures in my freezers without having to open the doors and check a manual one. (They are about 20 bucks for the set) Just put the thermometer meant to be outside in your freezer and the other one somewhere in the house conveniently where you can see the temperature readings on the indoor module without having to go physically to the freezer to check. This especially is convenient when the freezer is in a little used portion of the house, like a basement or garage, etc. Winters are cold here and I have an unheated crawlspace, so I also have one of these units with the outdoor thermometer laying next to my water inlet pipe to monitor the temperature of the waterpipe to make sure it doesn't go below freezing and burst a pipe during severe cold spells.
Awesome content! If you're looking to explore these topics even further, we actually produced an award-winning documentary called Grid Down Power Up - Documentary, narrated by Dennis Quaid, that dives deep into these issues. Itâs available for free on our channel, and you might find it really insightful. We also have some resources on our website for taking action, like contacting legislators and public utilities. Please help us spread the word
Great video. I want to try one of those wet sand pot coolers just to see. With the exception of medications, one can do without modern refrigeration units. Meat will not keep in primitive coolers for long without ice so meat will need to be dried, cured with salt or canned in the summer. Summer veggies will have to be eaten fresh or processed. Thank goodness for winter, six months of all the refrigeration anyone could want!
We just went thru this, in miniature! Our fridge failed! Right away we had to move things into igloos, into other fridges. It's been rough! We lost a bit. If we were completely without for a long time, we'd have lost more.
Or buy an RV fridge that's 3 way. 120 volts, 12 volts and propane.
Im surely lacking in the emergency power situation. Its hard enough trying to prep on SSDI but the big ticket items are almost impossible.
Iâm sorry youâre in the same position as me. It is hard to make ends meet on ssdi income.
I wish that you could find a couple of people to live with you so that you could combine your resources
@@KC-dr3cg that would be great.
@wendyhall1449 it's even harder when you're stuck in over priced California.
Try to make the zeer pot. You just need two clay pots (not enameled, so they can evaporate water), sand and a lid. So, somewhat affordable. It won't get down to 40 degrees, but it'll help.
The two pot thing. Use an unglazed terracotta pot or large flower pot as the outer pot. The moisture in the wet sand will seep through the pot and evaporate off the surface of the pot. Much more surface area, much better cooling.
Also a standard ice chest can be enhanced simply by throwing a damp towel over it.
I lost power for about 4 days last summer. I have four 100 watt solar panels, and two inverters, and a few truck batteries. The 1000 watt inverter was not enough to run the fridge, so I used the 3000 watt inverter for that. The solar panels did not keep up with the demand entirely, I could have used a couple more, but my food was OK. At one point I used my car to charge up one of the truck batteries while waiting for the solar to do it's thing. Thanks for the great videos.
I'd never heard it called a "fruit cellar" before , so I had to look it up. Sure enough, while "root cellar" is the term universally used throughout the U.S., , your pronunciation is a valid Midwestern term. I love learning something new every day.
So, in FL we have to prepare for hurricanes where the power goes out for weeks at a time. There are no basements/cellars here. So, no keeping food cool here this way. We also have a child with T1D. So, having to keep insulin cooled is essential. Generators are the only way we know how to do that. We got very lucky when Irma blew through. Coolers were all we needed for that storm, but we aren't always lucky like that. The solar powered cooler you showed was really cool. Thanks for sharing that!
In South Africa we suffer from huge corruption and our electric grid is constantly malfunctioning with load shedding across the entire country. Often up to 6 to 8 hours a day. What I do is keep 3 bottles of water in my deepfreeze. When the power goes down I take the frozen bottles and pop them into my refrigerator. Does the job.
For olive oil the wick must be shorter. The flame must be very close to the surface of the oil pool. It is safe to get it close as any natural based oil, ie olive/vegetable/peanut, must be preheated to burn. If it tipps over eoil will help put out the flame, not flare up like lamp oil or kerosene. I have made a wick out of cotton mop stands through a 1/4in metal tube held up by twisted wire. It works just fine.
I got amazingly lucky here in central Louisiana...ten miles away in every direction has electric poles sheared off at ground level and damaged trees too...but not our area and our electric company power station is nearby. So we got power back at midnight. Many people 2 miles away are still without power on the other network. I was praying before the 80-100 mph winds arrived at 3am...."Please don`t let my camper get destroyed or my life is over..." Had problems with my emergency solar but had air conditioning and everything else until 6pm through the heat emergency and passed out from exhaustion. Power stations and 300ah lifep04 Ampere Time battery
Until I lost my cabin, I used dry ice in a cooler to keep refrigerated things cold. Worked well for the most part. Unfortunately, in a SHTF setting, thatâs not going to be something you can keep replacing. Great video!
Up here in maine we keep it in the brook.find a deep pool put things in burlap bag,tie bag closedand sink it to the bottom.
At off grid lake home i use a propane/gas refrigerator.brand most use are servel.have an old one from 1960s. Can also get a new 1 for 3000.00.
Chinese made gas fridge is 1400.00.
U can light the pilot with a stick match.
They work as good as an elec.fridge.
the one from the 60's is a Dometic DM-100 the first they made and was used a lot in cabins mine was in a 1978 pioneer RV run great
Great video! My wife and I were talking about this.
2-4 big solar panels, two or three thousand watt power inverter, solar control module, and a good 12-volt marine battery. Hook it all up, and you can run your refrigerator or air conditioning.
Just try to learn as much as you can so your options will be greater. As for putting things in coolers, I happen to have a couple of slightly less insulated ones. So the smaller goes inside the larger and expanding spray foam is used to fill the gap. If you don't have or can't afford spray foam, use newspapers. I get mine free from the library, since they have to throw out old ones periodically anyway. If you have the space, it wouldn't even hurt to build a small enclosure with concrete blocks and then keep plenty of straw in there - in the shade of course. I've got a wonderful old Vic (no new ones, right?) that's insulated to the max and has a deep wraparound porch, one side of which is screened with 1" lattice backed by shade cloth. That way there's air circulation and yet things aren't visible to passersby. There's also enough space for a cot tent where I could put down gel cooling pads with damp towels on them to keep ME cool if need be; and a solar powered fan could be a livesaver. I love the EcoFlow 600 generators - best bang for the buck allround. Rather than some behemoth generator that will need dangerous cords strung everywhere, you're better off with several separate units for different uses in various spots. I have 4 generators - all the same model in case one fails - and 4 extra batteries for them too. Cost no more than the big Bluetti did, which incidentally was a failure from the start and I had to fight like hell for my refund. The stateside office started calling me at all hours and threatening me various ways, one person even screamed at me. So much for customer service! Now if you do have enough equipment for it, a dog house AC's a good idea bc it will keep a single person cot tent fairly cool running on just one solar panel.
I'll add just one more tip: Many people aren't aware that a lot of fire departments (volunteer especially) will still refuse to work a fire if they see any solar hookups; and if you scare the fire department away, your homeowner insurance is no good. You can tell them about kill switches til you're blue in the face and it won't make a bit of difference. That's another reason I prefer smaller full-power panels that you can place discreetly around and take down and hide in minutes while you wait for the fire truck to show up. If they see solar panels anywhere, they may or may not help you out. Sad but true. When I first bought solar panels maybe a decade ago, they were huge and heavy. Now you can get the same power in a small light panel that hangs anywhere. I'm on a 1/4 acre lot and over 20 years have managed to grow mature landscaping that conceals what it needs to and yet leaves a wide enough strip for panels even in summer. Plus even if you have a perimeter fence and chows, you just don't want to draw undue attention to yourself no matter how 'safe' the neighborhood might be. Discretion's always the better part of valor.
Thanks for the great content! You bring up some really important points about preparedness. If you're interested in exploring these topics further, we'd recommend checking out our award-winning documentary called Grid Down Power Up - Documentary, narrated by Dennis Quaid. Itâs packed with valuable information and insights, and it's free to watch on CZcams. We also have a website where you can take action by contacting legislators and public utilities, which could be a helpful resource for anyone looking to get more involved. Please help us spread the word.
I would love to have a old fashioned ice house.
Depends upon where you live of course. My father used to tell me that they would expect to have the ice house at least half full by Thanksgiving (in Maryland) but I'll tell ya, with the way the winters are going you'd better be pretty far north to get your ice house full at all. And it only lasted until about July according to my father. Then you were on your own.
A lot of people don't know about propane refrigerators.
Just saw something as to these are going to stop getting made? I have one in the RV. But decided to get for off grid 12 volt powered, can run it from my solar. As I have no faith propane or any other fuel will always be available.
I have 2 propane fridges. Both small. Norcold 2.7 cui. 2 way power And a dometic RC3000 power fridge. 3 way power.
Also an eco-temp RV instant hot water heater. Propane powered . Uses 1 gallon over a 2 month period.
Both fridges can run on 120 volts. And the dometic on 120v and 12 v.
100% off grid
A lot less know about kerosene refrigerator/freezer
Or zeer pots
@@wascalywabbit im in north fl. and we use to be able to get kerosene in the back of gas stations but cant find anyone who is selling it anymore. Do you know any place that has it? Thank you.
@@katiefoster6624 no.... I'm Ohio..But... You're in Florida,so as long as you keep it outside... You could possibly use diesel
If you own a Prius you can attach a 1000watt inverter and have constant battery power from the battery pack as long as you have gas in the engine which charges the battery. All kinds of info on CZcams about how to hook it up. It's pretty easy.
Compressor-coolers, which can freeze, use 35W-55W, and only when the compressor is running; that will depend on how often you open it, and the ambient temperature, but even a modest solar system should be able to keep one going indefinitely. The "crappy" coolers you described are thermo-electric coolers. They are quieter, but cannot freeze; in high ambient temperatures, you may not get down below ~45 degrees. They run ALL the time, and typically need 60W-90W, making them a poor choice for solar systems.
Propane refrigerators.
Very easy to store massive quantities of propane and it never goes bad.
Use it for cooking.
Use it for heating.
Use it for hot water.
Lets not forget the older Dometic RC 3000, absorbsion cooler/freezer. IT USES PROPANE, 120 VOLTS, OR 12 VOLTS. IT HOLDS 35 LITERS.
ALSO I HAVE THE NORCOLD absorbsion fridge/freezer 2.7 cu inch.
It runs on. Propane and 120 volts.
I am also 100 % off the grid, so i produce my own electric by a good size solar aray system.
We have a propane generator..you manage the on /off of the generator to keep your freezer frozen..unless you open the freezer a lot..food will stay frozen for 2 full days..also take meat out and make jerky..from November to April in Minnesota..our freezer will be our garage in open coolers..frig ..same way in closed coolers..
Tip: Plug a timer on the generator and plug the fridge into the timer, set to run for 15-30 minutes every 4 hours. This will allow your fridge to let the temp fluctuate, instead of a constant 40*.
I use a ecoflow delta pro solar generator hooked up to 1.1kw solar panels. I run two refrigerators freezers On it the a transfer switch that can kick in using the backup power. It is working well, but be careful. Even with a 3.6 kw battery, you can run out of power after 24 hours of no sun. Looking to get another 3.6 kw battery. I also have a gas/propane ecoflow generator that can keep the unit charged on cloudy days.
I use an Alpicool 15quart 24/7 and charge with rotating solar portable power stations. I prefer the term " saving the money NOW!" Crushing my electric bill.
I have a couple of ecoflow delta units Iâm currently using to run my fridge and one freezer. I have HQST 190w solar panels to charge and run everything all day in good conditions. Iâm doing it to learn how everything works so Iâm not blindsided in an emergency and also to get what I can off the grid to bring the electric bill down. Iâve learned it requires A LOT more power than you think to keep this stuff going. And it all runs more than you think. I have two deep freezers but am coming to the realization I simply donât have enough power to sustain this much so we are going to use up whatâs in the smaller, older less efficient one and get down to using just one freezer. I prefer having as much in the freezer as possible but itâs eye opening to realize how much it takes to keep it all going. Iâm in the coastal south so no basement or mountain streams. As long as the sun shines itâs manageable but one rainy day and itâs all drained. I have a small inverter generator to charge up in those situations but itâs giving me trouble so I have to get it out and try to work on it. Which is not something I know about. I despise keeping gasoline on hand and dealing with engines and oil, but I donât have enough solar capacity to get through cloudy or rainy days. I love my solar systems but itâs unfortunately not enough. Also people donât consider the extension cables needed to run from solar to the generator. I keep my generators inside and run solar connectors through the windows. I donât love how it looks but i love the power. I wish I could get a couple of small arrays onto my roof but I have no idea how to do that so they are in the yard which I donât like. My space is limited and solar panels compete with my garden space. There are a lot of trade offs and I hope people are using their gear now to get the hang of it and add what they need while things are still available. We get big coastal storms here so outages are common every year. I would use these things for that even without concerns of grid failures etc. Even though this has been a huge investment, and I continue to add to it, the cost of food is so high I think itâs worth it.
What about Butane or similar gas powered refrigerators or freezers ? Are there large battery powered refrigerator/Freezers ?
Large is relative, but they have some electric that even have a built in battery and you can connect a solar panel directly to. On my list for off grid. I may buy two, set one as a fridge, one as a freezer. And also end up with a backup for either if needed.
Thereâs propane run ones. RV and boat stores always have interesting items. Preppers often overlook them as sources of off grid goods.
(Yet) another invaluable Goshen Prepping video. Thank you so much. I look forward to watching more videos in the series.
I don't believe that you need to dig 20 feet deep to hit a constant 58f. Even in the south it is cool 2 feet deep.
Our family in Jamaica during the 70s used the vapor system refrigerator. This system is heat operated. Ammonia and nitrogen are the refrigerant and kerosene oil is the fuel for the burner.
When i was 12 n 13 i spent the su
Mmers on my cousins hlrse farm way up n mtns of WV
I loved it best time of my life and the work put me n best shape of my life logging n making horses. I met hermits. Their refrigeration was a wooden box with seperation they put it at entrance of spring where a steel pipe with ice cold water coming out of it into the box keeping their buttefmilk and coke cold there was a 2nd pipe toward top of box and water flowed out of top pipe. Beliece me anything n that box was frigid. I wish id stayed.đ
That solar generator with a built in fridge and freezer looks sick, thanks for showing us that.
WE have a few small 12 volt refrigerators that AMAZON sells for Rx and makeup. We also have 100 watt solar panels from HARBOR FREIGHT and a few 12 volt deep cycles with small charge controllers! SMALL IS THE KEY WORD!!!
We have been living off grid since Dec '07 (solar power), in the beginning, we just didn't have or use a fridge or freezer, being winter in far west Texas, we used a 5 gallon bucket with a lid to keep cold foods cold outside and protected from critters. By the time spring arrived, we had purchased an external thermostat and a chest freezer, we set the external thermostat on just slightly above freezing, it would cut off the power to the freezer once it hit the set temp.
Being a chest freezer, it is more insulated, more effecient, and it kept the cold air inside the box when we open the lid. There are downsides, it does condense water inside that needs to be cleaned out, and there are no convenient shelves so the food tends to get piled up, sometimes resulting in forgotten rotten food at the bottom. You also have to be aware of what you put against the walls, no fresh fruit/veg or anything that can be negativity affected by freezing. We just replaced our chest freezer that finally quit working, it was 23 years old, we got it used many years ago.
I have 18 kW of battery power storage and 29 solar panels that feed them as well as provide power during the day
so grid goes down doesnât matter to me
The solution is so easy. An inverter, a deep cycle battery, a solar controller, and solar panels.
Refrigerators don't draw a lot of power.
As for me, i live in an RV. My refrigerator runs on propane and can last for months on a 30 lb tank.
I have four eco flow generators. If one drinks, I have back ups to use while recharging the others. Where I live, itâs impossible to dig deeper than 4 inches before hitting solid bedrock, so the alternative is just not possible. We donât have basements here, so we have to make due with what we have. It definitely takes some creativity.
Propane refrigerator in my RV đđ.
I have a well and the pump is located underground in a concrete well house. It's not big, but it would be possible to put some 5 gallon buckets down there. But I plan to can a bunch of stuff that I currently have in the freezer
There is the propane fridge/freezers aswell. But they are expensive to purchase. But they last a long time on propane. But running on electricity they take more power than a compresser fridge though. They are ultimately not as powerful as a compressor fridge in extreme heat and keeping the fridge loaded up to minimise temperature increase when opening the fridge is a tip for propane fridges (they take longer to recover fridge/freezer temp back down again). I guess the same with compresser fridges to save power.
Well, an oooold Arkla-Servell GAS or PROPANE refrigerator (if you can find one) using ammonia for refrigerant still works fine, or a tiny Aladdin kerosene refrigerator, or a Norcold or Dometic RV 3-way 'fridge/freezer (from a salvaged RV) are all options. The RV 'fridges are by far the cheapest and most available options, and can be had for a SONG, and you don't have to carry a tune! If they are set-up for LP and you want to use them on natural gas, there are optional orfice kits available for under $50 for most of them. I got a dented door 10 cu. ft. side-by side for $200 (and the labor of taking it out), got the NG orfice kit and it's in my garage cooling right now for about $1.30 a month AND making ice for a 280 mile round-trip to the RV bone-yard north of Joplin, MO (I'm in Tulsa, OK) for $50 gas in my pick-up.
You are the first person who mentioned keeping medicines cool is important. You have to be careful since not everything can be refrigerated. Glucometer specifically say "do not refrigerate". The biggest problem is that they don't fail hard. They give erroneous readings that can be very dangerous.
Ecoflow solar generators are the way to go. Reason....
The sheer SPEED of charging. That's the game changer here.
They charge from 0%-100% in about an hour and fifteen minutes. So... charhe em up on a GAS generator and only use an hour and 15 minutes worth of gas or propane! This way, using fuel stabilizer, you can stretch your fuel to last a very long time.
I built 2 Crosley icy balls and box with 4 inch high density polyurethane box with commercial cooler door I also have propane cabin refrigerator
We use evaporative coolers here in the mojave desert. Was 112 outside yesterday and 79 in the house
Texas! propane fridge .
The only options in this video that work in Florida are solar. It's always adorable to see videos from people who live up north.
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I live close to Kodiak Island in Alaska (on a small island) and it is rarely sunny enough to use solar unless you are like my friend and have a lot of panels and have really big battery storage and he still has to use his generator a lot. (He is off grid) I use a 2kw inverter generator when we lose power to power 5 freezers and two refrigerators. I just rotate them every few hours. I keep 60 gallons of gas on hand. That would keep us going for at least a month. It stays pretty cool here most of the time so it isn't as bad as some places. We also have most of our freezers in the basement where it averages 55 degrees. Why so many freezers. We are preppers. They aren't large ones. We keep our stuff mostly separated. We take advantage being able to get wild game and fish. We also can a lot. If it looked like a permanent grid down situation we could can/smoke/preserve/salt it all before we ran out of fuel. We keep a minimum of one year of food on hand. If things got bad we would not be able to shop at all since we rely on going to Kodiak for food. The stores there run out of food if a plane can't fly out of Anchorage because they are still on the 3 day food schedule.
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what can we do in central Florida? it is now 100 degrees and miserable
Thank you đ
Rural western Oregon---not so good for solar, but the grid doesn't go down due to heat! :)
You can keep a big efficient fridge running with solar. So, say the fridge is Energy Star rated at 650 kWh per year. 650/365 days= 1.78 kWh per day *1000 = 1780 watts per day. So hourly use is 1780/24 = 74 watts per hour.
However, I found you can keep the fridge freezer fully cold if powered for 1/2 of the hours (2 on/2 off, or 4 on/4 off) as long as you are not constantly opening it. This gives you 12 hours of power needed at 74 watts * 12 hrs = 888 watts for 24 hours. I can use my 2000+ watt Bluetti for this with power to spare.
Note: you can buy an electric meter to measure how much the fridge actually used. I metered it for 2+ days and it was very close the Energy Star calculations at 73 watts average per hour. When the compressor comes on, you can get a surge in demand and you need to know that number to make sure your solar power pack can handle it.
Look at the sticker inside the door for amps and volts: mine is 8.5 amps * 115 volts = 977.5 watts, well within the Bluettiâs capacity. Or for any appliance, hair dryer, hot pot, toaster, washer, use can find the rated watts right on the package or user manual. So a 1500 watt hot pot, actual uses 1500 watts in an hour, or 25 watts per minute. It takes 6 minutes to boil water when full, so I would use 150 watts to boil water for anything.
most of the new solar power packs make it very feasible to use all kinds of small electrics, or even large ones. I ran a large load in my washer using the Big Blu, a mere 250 watts used. You need to keep charging your power pack to run everything. I also have a small ToGo 650 watt which I use for electronics, powered recliners, lamps,TV etc. I may buy one of the Baby Bluâs tooâŠ
Buy an electric meter plug into the wall, then plug your stuff into it when you run them. It will tell you how much power you use.đ
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For short events, a 2k watt inverter generator. For longer events, when fuel is unavailable, I'm building out a solar system in my garden shed which could run the fridge and some led lights. We put a 30a breaker in our panel for standby power.
The last couple years, I have gotten into "prepping". Of course, I encountered several problems! I bought some 100 watt solar panels, but I discovered that I do not have a good place to permanently install them. My back yard has a big tree and bushes and a bunch of overhead power lines and cables, all of which cast various shadows. I wouldn't want to put them on the roof, because it would be hard to brush the snow off in winter time! To be honest I even thought of other things like getting rid of the tree and fencing in the yard, but I realized those things would be very expensive and overall not worth it. Nevertheless, in an emergency situation I guess the solar panels could be manually moved around as needed. I am glad I did not get a "flexible panel" because I found out that those only last for about two years! I suppose it is best that I keep the panels in my basement and save them for a real emergency, because a system that is fully set up is vulnerable to EMP. I am now working on making a miniature solar power system for powering a laptop and charging flashlights. My miniature solar power system would be fully portable, yet I never plan on leaving my home in an emergency because then I would have practically nothing at all! Nevertheless, my miniature system could be fully set up in just a few minutes. I feel that people in our society today place zero value on real knowledge, and that will probably not change if there is a collapse. Therefore, we as people are worth absolutely nothing to others in this society, and all that matters is our possessions and our ability to protect and defend them! Most likely its true that 95% of people would perish in a major disaster, before humanity decides to change its ways and place value on real knowledge!
Here is one of the best, and the cheapest way to save the food. SALT WATER keeps the food cold, and for a longer time. Get a few boxes of any kind of COARSE salt. Pour water into the a cooler, a bucket, or in the bathtub. Add plenty of salt. Put the food inside, (including butter, milk in containers), and stop worrying for a day or more. When the water gets a little warmer, add some more salt.
I built a 12v fridge inside a cooler box using Peltier devices, works well. In my camping panel van I have an extra 12v solar battery system with solar panels I can put out a distance away from the panel van (parked in shade) with panels in the sun.
Lots of people in Tulsa Oklahoma found out last week. 1)a freezer will remain cold for 12 hours. 2) a refrigerator will keep things cool for 4 hours.
Solutions for long term = Dry Ice, short term ice.
While I agree with your primitive methods there are technologies that can keep things cool. A solar freezer (ammonia based refrigeration) the hotter the sun the more intense the cooling system works.
Generators and inverters can provide the electricity to keep standard fridge/freezers operational.
I opted for a small solar generator & small camp fridge to keep essentials in .
( Milk, butter, cheese, ham, vegetables & meds. )
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NewAir (the refrigerator in your video) is a good company. I have their portable AC, one hole, unit and it is very good. (I use it for a 16.5 White Duck tent). Canât go wrong with that refrigerator.
Canning. Salting. Smoking . Thats how to preserve food. Also foraging .
My son is off school today with a fever, probably made worse by lack of AC at school, and lack of water at school. I had to spend ÂŁ32 on drinks for him and his classmates. I've cooled his fever with a new set of tea towels dampened with water, and put in the fridge. I then put one on his forehead, and keep stopping them over. I bought him a fan yesterday for ÂŁ15.
Are you having energy rations?
A good way to get temp down is a comfortable lukewarm bath, I've had to do that on occasion when my child was young and it wasn't high enough for an er trip. It kept her from being so miserable until we could get to the doctor.
Our Amish uses 8-12 " of sawdust to insulate the ice house. Ice stays there up to 2yrs
Well, here in South Oz, we have solar and a battery, however you can stil get kerosene fridges (like LPG but uses kerosene as a heat source.). Many ways.
I have a chest deep freezer. If the power goes out I have a generator. During an outage is the best time for me to turn off my refrigerator and defrost and deep clean it. I have several ice chests and can make ice in my deep freezer to keep it cool. I rarely refrigerate my colas anyway so not an issue there.. ac is more of an issue to me than food prep and chilling. But I have learned alot about how they did it in the old days before ACs. FYI keep a misting bottle next to your bed. Keep a fan on you and spritz your top sheet. The fan will cool the water on the sheet and make you shaking cold.
In the 50,s they invented a new type of insulation.itvwas aluminum foil and paper. Layers it was reflective insolation half inch is like R500 .the only draw back was it operated in a vacuum and is now used in cryogenic transport trucks .no one ever made it for homes or camping but with a little thought you could create a unit with a double steel box and pull a vacuum ..a cup of coffee stays hot for six months .
Now days the paper is replaced with thin fiberglass fibers or matting ..
Propane units also. Have 3 from motor homes. Have to be level !
good stuff to know! thanks!
People that have big freezers or more than one should consider canning. It's cheaper than solar (Not knocking solar) by a lot to get what you need. You save electricity. It isn't hard to learn. There are countless CZcams channels on it. Once it is canned your done. Heat it up and eat it. Make stews and other ready to eat meals and it will save you time and effort if things go south. If you have the money consider freeze drying. It's a one and done. Add hot water and eat. It's almost always easier to heat up water. Getting food cold is not so easy. Also if the power goes out you can usually can what is in your freezer if you are prepared to do it and save most if not all of your food.
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I use a Colman peltier junction cooler that I have had for around 16 years. It's not ideal but better than nothing.
to save power consumption, turn the energy switch on on the refrigerator, all this does is turn the external door heaters off, then u need to watch for condensation forming around the doors or any drawer that may have a gasket, such as a veggie door or drawer, we in the refrigeration trade use to call them mullion heaters, u also find mullion heaters in the flat part of the frame of reach in coolers at conv. stores, to find out, open a door and feel where the gasket matches up when door is closed ..... see if its warm
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I plan on eating all the food in my fridge first while taking out select items from my freezer and allowing them to thaw in the fridge thereby keeping the other foods cold. I keep frozen bottles of water in my freezer if I have little food. That way the fridge doesn't work as hard and I can pull one out if I go for a walk in hot weather. I can also throw one in an insulated lunch bag to keep my lunch cold....
I plan on only going in the freezer if needed, and possibly transferring frozen items into a smaller insulated container with the contents of the fridge to keep them cold.
That's it.
I could go without a fridge all together. Can goods, or boxed goods where all you have to do is just add water. My better half and I lost our fridge from all of the electrical surges, because of the severe weather earlier this year, and resorted to can goods for two months because we couldn't afford $1,1500.00 for a new fridge. I don't support solar, or wind power because it can be unpredictable for outages as well as cost is too high. As for light at night. We use candles, and oil lamps just like they did back in the 1800's. If my cell goes dead, I won't miss it......
interesting. Thanks!
We have propane storage & generator only run short amount of time as needed good for 90 days on fule hopefully this will get us by
I made a zeer pot...doesn't get very cold, but it'll help make fruit and vegetables last longer.
The way you said so easily dig a hole 20 to 30 feet down like itâs nothing⊠what??? đđitâs a pretty safe bet that refrigeration will be a challenge under any grid down situation..
I have a camper that has a 120V/evaporative fridge that runs on LPG. That is addition to a 12V portable fridge/freezer powered by a solar generator could potentially keep my stuff cold for weeks.
The #RV camping absorption refrigerator #freezer can be modified to use solar electric induction as a heat source, it's like 90% efficient, spinning #magnet on #copper also #heat source but probably not hot enough to get absorption refrigerator going, on hot day with just sunshine heat on back of refrigerator, the freezer part ain't getting hot, kinda cool,but not cold, induction heat ain't really made its way to absorption refrigerator or absorption air-conditioning, but the #future probably holds many mixed #technology
I am screwed. Live in SWFL. Pounded by Ian. No power for 12 days. No water for 10 days, with boil notice. Luckily, I had a generator. Ran it during daylight, to keep to fridges going. Could not run at night, due to looters, so put it back in the garage. Had 25 gallons of gas stored, and both cars full. Was running out of gas, so tried to siphion from the cars. Could not do it, due to another communist federal government regulation. New cars are mandated to have anti siphioning. WTF? I cannot access the gas, that I paid for, to keep me alive? The Federal government hates us.
Prior to Ian, I stored many jugs and bottles of watter. After day 2, we were in need of a clean up. I put a 1 gallon jug of good water in the dun all day. Got plenty hot to do a quick body clean up.
Know haters will dump on my government comments. Have at it, live my life since Ian.
No offense but you were NOT lucky to have a generator. YOU PREpared. That's not luck, that's wisdom
A gas generator is okay for the short term plus as long as the fuel supply remains. However I am likewise concerned about being able to sustain a fuel supply.
Solar is better but I'm out of cash so.....
Totally agree. I built my own pseudo mobile solar system, and the most expensive part was the batteries.
@rickpolicy3245 yep, have a small version in an ammo can. Was a tough build for me due to my lack of electronics knowledge. Just got a 100w panel to keep it topped off. Sadly it won't power my HVAC system or the large appliances. But I can keep my cell charged to play solitaire lol
If I stay up north, a super insulated ice house (no electric) with access from inside. I think there's a way to build one in my basement. đ