I'm sorry but that 4x12 is awesome. I know Lee and Pete don't get it and that they haven't ever fallen in love with a digital rig over the real thing but having that much power is incredible especially with the editor. Probably wasting breath trying to get people who don’t use digital rigs live to see that side of it. Kemper profile every tone from the studio, stereo or mono with timecode aligning tones with the track and being able to push that air on stage is just so awesome. Frees up space in the speakers for vocals too.
Fully agreed. Pete seemed to think that the main reason people go digital is to shrink their rig. I'm sure this is true for some people like touring musicians who are trying to minimize their touring costs, many others embrace digital setups for a variety of different reasons. Personally, I appreciate both analog and digital rigs. I have some lovely amps, but I also have a Fractal and a Tonex pedal to fill in all the tonal gaps in my collection and streamline recording processes. Previously I used my digital setup exclusively for recording, but after recently picking up a Fender FR12 I've found myself engaging in jam sessions using my Axe FX / Tonex setup as frequently as I do with my genuine amps. For me the FR12 was the missing link in making digital setups as fun to play through as real amps. The only downside with the FR12 is that it's a great device for home use, but it starts struggling volume wise when in the same room as a loud drummer. Would I love a full range 4x12 cab someday? Absofreakinglutely! A good modeler/profiler with a 4x12 FR cab seems like the perfect live setup to me. Album quality guitar tones being sent direct to the front of house while still being able to push air on stage and get feedback etc. That's just dreamy.
The point there was that Lee said you can't use digital rigs through a 4x12 before this cab came around, to which Pete initially responded with logic because Lee had no idea what he was talking about. But this seems like a decent addition to the frfr cab world. You'll never need that much power, but it's nice to see an frfr cab in a 4x12 style.
As a guy who plays lots of slow doomy riffs but records and writes completely digital it's awesome i can just grab a 4x12 and be loud instead of having to worry about buying a power amp and a orange cab. I can just buy the laney at the same price
tony iommi made Laney famous. he used 6 100 watt heads and 6 4x12 cabinets played on 10 with black sabbath. i saw them in person and the sound was unreal loud
I enjoyed this demo it's unfortunate the store reps were making the rep not be able to explain everything in proper detail not very professional men get with the program there products are ahead of the competition very impressive products by Laney!
This was probably the worst one you guys have done from NAMM this year for me. Let the guy explain the products rather than interrupting or starting a debate every 5 seconds.
@@suede__ there is nothing wrong with a Pete question... the problem with whole video... whole dialog - ... if you so tired or drunk ... make a pause... take a rest... acting like this is totaly disrespectful, even if you're one of the biggest retailors on a market
I absolutely love that 4X12! Wish I had an excuse to buy and use one! Would be the first cab I would buy if I won the lottery. I know Lee and Pete would hate that. But It could be all you need!
I've seen Guthrie Govan live and can confirm that Laney is doing an outstanding job. The 4x12 might seem like over kill, but I'd love to hear one live to judge for myself. :)
I remember when Rob and Lee demod the Iron heart 60w. It must of been over 10 years ago now. An amazing sounding amp with that american fizz with british thump.
I recently picked up one of the ironheart foundry loudpedals to use as a power amp with my hx stomp (and other) pedals with a 1x12. Amazing bit of kit and super flexible. Wish more people knew what it can do as it’s so flexible
I knew when they got to the 4x12 frfr cab that Pete would raise his hackles. I know he's all about the traditional gear and whatnot, but man, give it a rest. If you got guys like Devin Townsend and Guthrie Govan backing this, then you know it's a legitimate product with a legitimate use case. I'm sure they've put a lot of thought into why they'd would go this route rather than going with a tube amp and a traditional cabinet. With all due respect, it's kind of shitty to have such a smug attitude and act like the product is ridiculous, when this is a product that was never catered towards the traditional gear audience in the first place.
No, Pete, the idea is if you want the air and/or if the PA system at the gig isn't good or powerful enough. If that's the case, you still have to turn your amp down.
I'm tempted by the 30w combo. I think 60W is maybe too much for small clubs that I play. But 30w combo may be perfect. Paul from the studio rats was blown away by the Laney Ironhearts.
Let the man speak! There are tons of modern guitarists using digital rigs! Guitarist Jan Ozveren (Charlie Puth) uses a Fractal rig and spent like a year programming! Times have changed and digital rigs are here to stay. Bravo to Laney! I’m a dinosaur and like my pedals but I can appreciate Eventide and Headrush pedal boards. I own a couple Hiwatt Dr-103s and an early 70s Marshall Superlead, but when I record I’m using whatever’s convenient and you can’t polish a turd! I will always love my analog stuff, but I’m intrigued with new technology that is tasteful. It’s all fun, but don’t be rude Peter! Kill them with kindness! I love the channel and would love to see a review of the Laney and Fractal stuff.
Enough already Pete, let him speak! Generally love him but happens in their studio vids too, sometimes less is more but Pete just doesn't know when to stop. Dare I say it, you could take a leaf out of KDH's book, who has done some great videos at Namm simply by letting the exhibitors speak.
@4:10 I agree with the Laney guy. I think Fractal should do a powered combo amp. If you plug your fractal into a house PA, you're at the mercy of the sound person and they can totally change your tone and you can't use them at home. I'd much rather have a 2x12 Fractal combo 400 watt with seperate footswitch and expression pedal included.
Normally love this channel but this is weird. Seem happy to see a British manufacturer with new exciting products then.. talk all over him, act bored and disinterested and show no enthusiasm for the fact Laney are trying to push equipment forward. Normally you guys are spot on....
With all the IR pedals that do sound like the original amps, I don't understand why FRFR speakers aren't more common. Hopefully, that's the direction things are going. We've reached the point where lugging a giant refrigerator to a gig is silly.
It is insane that Pete doesn't realize the point of a high-end digital units for a literal majority of users is range and consistency of tones. A Kemper or Fractal or Helix sounds like a Fender, or a Marshall, or a Mesa, or impossibly expensive options like a Dumble or a Trainwreck, or whatever you literally want. Even if you think it's only 95% of the way to the real deal, it's 95% of the way for all of them at once! Tons and tons of modern touring artists who value that versatility simply want something loud on stage.
People carry cabs. Is the amps what people don't want to carry no more. The processor+power amp+ cab is a very standard combination this days for Hybrid set up.
“Tube amps are heavy and too big” “Let’s create modeling! It will be lightweight and go front of house” “Let’s create a monstrous cab so you can amplify your models of tube amps being played through cabinets” I’m sorry what 😂😂😂? I don’t get it
While I’m being cheeky the counter is this: Players are moving to modelers and they are getting used to that workflow. Using that platform to design tone and write music around the functionality of modelers. While you could use 4 cable method sure - you can’t just change amp sounds patch to patch or song to song. Music like Devin Townsend/Haken/etc just have way too many amp tones to cover in a single tube head. If you are someone that already invested in digital platform you can either just get this -> or invest in tube head/cabinet and change your entire workflow around trying to incorporate that.
I almost want to stop watching andertons. The whole point of going to Namm and doing these videos is to show off the gear there but you guys are acting like children.
Let’s not pretend this is just British humour. They are there to show new products from companies yet all Pete could do was start a debate about it. We get it he doesn’t like digital products but he needs to stop with the BS when dealing with it.
I'm sorry but that 4x12 is awesome. I know Lee and Pete don't get it and that they haven't ever fallen in love with a digital rig over the real thing but having that much power is incredible especially with the editor. Probably wasting breath trying to get people who don’t use digital rigs live to see that side of it. Kemper profile every tone from the studio, stereo or mono with timecode aligning tones with the track and being able to push that air on stage is just so awesome. Frees up space in the speakers for vocals too.
Fully agreed. Pete seemed to think that the main reason people go digital is to shrink their rig. I'm sure this is true for some people like touring musicians who are trying to minimize their touring costs, many others embrace digital setups for a variety of different reasons.
Personally, I appreciate both analog and digital rigs. I have some lovely amps, but I also have a Fractal and a Tonex pedal to fill in all the tonal gaps in my collection and streamline recording processes. Previously I used my digital setup exclusively for recording, but after recently picking up a Fender FR12 I've found myself engaging in jam sessions using my Axe FX / Tonex setup as frequently as I do with my genuine amps. For me the FR12 was the missing link in making digital setups as fun to play through as real amps. The only downside with the FR12 is that it's a great device for home use, but it starts struggling volume wise when in the same room as a loud drummer.
Would I love a full range 4x12 cab someday? Absofreakinglutely! A good modeler/profiler with a 4x12 FR cab seems like the perfect live setup to me. Album quality guitar tones being sent direct to the front of house while still being able to push air on stage and get feedback etc. That's just dreamy.
The point there was that Lee said you can't use digital rigs through a 4x12 before this cab came around, to which Pete initially responded with logic because Lee had no idea what he was talking about. But this seems like a decent addition to the frfr cab world. You'll never need that much power, but it's nice to see an frfr cab in a 4x12 style.
As a guy who plays lots of slow doomy riffs but records and writes completely digital it's awesome i can just grab a 4x12 and be loud instead of having to worry about buying a power amp and a orange cab. I can just buy the laney at the same price
@@darkrednecks and that's exactly the point of these, simply eliminates the need for one less piece of gear, the head.
Also, being able to load your own IRs into the 4x12 is pretty damn awesome.
Criminally underrated Amps
Going to get flack, but please stop Pete interrupting. Every video you’ve posted he’s doing it. Great coverage apart from that. Really enjoying it
totally agree with you, so annoying
I totally get the 4X12 with a modeler. Certain situations - especially if a great PA is not available. Different strokes for different folks.
Probably shouldn't have been so confrontational and just let the man describe the products properly. Looked very unprofessional.
AGREED!👍
Its the other Lee with Laney presenting and he is an amazing guitarist too .
If you guys are bored of doing these videos please get someone else to do them
tony iommi made Laney famous. he used 6 100 watt heads and 6 4x12 cabinets played on 10 with black sabbath. i saw them in person and the sound was unreal loud
another black country lad, thats why
I enjoyed this demo it's unfortunate the store reps were making the rep not be able to explain everything in proper detail not very professional men get with the program there products are ahead of the competition very impressive products by Laney!
One of them is the store owner…
@@louissanderson719And?
Unprofessional from Andertons 👎
Standard Andertons.
This was probably the worst one you guys have done from NAMM this year for me.
Let the guy explain the products rather than interrupting or starting a debate every 5 seconds.
Glad they're becoming more modern. Loving my Ironheart 60W and Leadtop! Hoping they make another tube amp in a smaller package
I've always loved Laney's gear. Had a couple of bass amps from them and a guitar amp. Solid as a rock.
what's the point of making the video and be so disrespectful for Lee Wrathe and whole Laney team?
What part was disrespectful? Pete asking why you would want certain things?
He don´t ask certain question to other compañies, lie: Why 5000$ for a simple clean amplifier??, For example@@suede__
@@suede__ there is nothing wrong with a Pete question... the problem with whole video... whole dialog - ... if you so tired or drunk ... make a pause... take a rest... acting like this is totaly disrespectful, even if you're one of the biggest retailors on a market
@@antonyyuryev9750totally agree
Come on guys we know you don't like digital stuff...
A 4x12 FRFR cab with 2,600 watts! Yoinks!
Probably equivalent to a 100 watt tube head in loudness. All you'll ever need for sure - unless your last name in Malmsteen.
I absolutely love that 4X12! Wish I had an excuse to buy and use one! Would be the first cab I would buy if I won the lottery. I know Lee and Pete would hate that. But It could be all you need!
Stupid good stuff for the price. Pair these with good speakers and modern pickups. The IRTs can sound british heavy and modern (both).
Guthrie is loving his according to Al Joseph and it sounds amazing. I went on a search after the Aristocrat's gig in Glasgow last year.
I'm from Halesowen!
I've seen Guthrie Govan live and can confirm that Laney is doing an outstanding job. The 4x12 might seem like over kill, but I'd love to hear one live to judge for myself. :)
A tube preamp pedal (with one or two tube) is missing like a heavy rock - metal amp for home : 1w max
I remember when Rob and Lee demod the Iron heart 60w. It must of been over 10 years ago now. An amazing sounding amp with that american fizz with british thump.
I recently picked up one of the ironheart foundry loudpedals to use as a power amp with my hx stomp (and other) pedals with a 1x12. Amazing bit of kit and super flexible. Wish more people knew what it can do as it’s so flexible
FFS Pete SHUSH! no point asking a question and then constantly talking over the answer.
I knew when they got to the 4x12 frfr cab that Pete would raise his hackles. I know he's all about the traditional gear and whatnot, but man, give it a rest. If you got guys like Devin Townsend and Guthrie Govan backing this, then you know it's a legitimate product with a legitimate use case. I'm sure they've put a lot of thought into why they'd would go this route rather than going with a tube amp and a traditional cabinet. With all due respect, it's kind of shitty to have such a smug attitude and act like the product is ridiculous, when this is a product that was never catered towards the traditional gear audience in the first place.
He wasn't doubting it. He was asking "why" so that we could see why they made it and for what reasons...
Lee Wrathe knows his stuff, clear and concise presentation despite some "tough" questioning , well-handled! 😅
No, Pete, the idea is if you want the air and/or if the PA system at the gig isn't good or powerful enough. If that's the case, you still have to turn your amp down.
I'm tempted by the 30w combo. I think 60W is maybe too much for small clubs that I play. But 30w combo may be perfect.
Paul from the studio rats was blown away by the Laney Ironhearts.
How about a Leadtop, Dualtop, Loudpedal based on the Supergroup? The Ironheart is great, but you have other amps
Ide love a plug-in of their vh and gl amps. Or even a preamp or distortion pedal of those amps.
Let the man speak! There are tons of modern guitarists using digital rigs! Guitarist Jan Ozveren (Charlie Puth) uses a Fractal rig and spent like a year programming! Times have changed and digital rigs are here to stay. Bravo to Laney! I’m a dinosaur and like my pedals but I can appreciate Eventide and Headrush pedal boards. I own a couple Hiwatt Dr-103s and an early 70s Marshall Superlead, but when I record I’m using whatever’s convenient and you can’t polish a turd! I will always love my analog stuff, but I’m intrigued with new technology that is tasteful. It’s all fun, but don’t be rude Peter! Kill them with kindness! I love the channel and would love to see a review of the Laney and Fractal stuff.
Super Cub is awesome!
Enough already Pete, let him speak! Generally love him but happens in their studio vids too, sometimes less is more but Pete just doesn't know when to stop. Dare I say it, you could take a leaf out of KDH's book, who has done some great videos at Namm simply by letting the exhibitors speak.
That loudpedal needs a better power plug though, it's connection is very loose.
Nice one, very professional and well put together, the presenter was uninterrupted and Pete's reactions were very genuine!
I can't wait to have a nice stereo 2x12
I feel that, man. I have 2 ordered.
Comparing a 4x12 guitar cab with a 4x12 FRFR speaker cab is pointless, two totally different types of sounds Pete...
If I lived in the middle of nowhere with no neighbours maybe the 4x12 monster would be ok but in the real world probably not.
Any ideas if Laney LFR's products are gonna be released in a stereo configuration at some point?
What's the weight of the 4x12? Does it still require 2 people to carry?
Stonehenge 😅 hello Cleveland!
Would love a 3 or 4 independent channel Iron Heart 120W head.
@4:10 I agree with the Laney guy. I think Fractal should do a powered combo amp. If you plug your fractal into a house PA, you're at the mercy of the sound person and they can totally change your tone and you can't use them at home. I'd much rather have a 2x12 Fractal combo 400 watt with seperate footswitch and expression pedal included.
I wished they played through the 30watt combo. Oh well.
Normally love this channel but this is weird. Seem happy to see a British manufacturer with new exciting products then.. talk all over him, act bored and disinterested and show no enthusiasm for the fact Laney are trying to push equipment forward. Normally you guys are spot on....
Well fought, Mr. Lee. Those guys must have had a drink too much before making this video ;D
Have they covered Hi Watt?
With all the IR pedals that do sound like the original amps, I don't understand why FRFR speakers aren't more common. Hopefully, that's the direction things are going. We've reached the point where lugging a giant refrigerator to a gig is silly.
Love my new Laney L5 head, but not interested in the digital stuff, shame it took so much of the interview
The dude ripping on freebird was surprisingly not told by the Namm police to pipe down lol
made in gods territory !! black country and proud !! yam a gud un ar Lee !!!
It is insane that Pete doesn't realize the point of a high-end digital units for a literal majority of users is range and consistency of tones. A Kemper or Fractal or Helix sounds like a Fender, or a Marshall, or a Mesa, or impossibly expensive options like a Dumble or a Trainwreck, or whatever you literally want. Even if you think it's only 95% of the way to the real deal, it's 95% of the way for all of them at once! Tons and tons of modern touring artists who value that versatility simply want something loud on stage.
Ironically, in many interviews Pete describes how he was touring in the past with Line 6 Pod, and how helpful it was for working/touring musician
Pete seems to be getting a little too big for his britches. Unfortunately we've seen this before.
People carry cabs. Is the amps what people don't want to carry no more. The processor+power amp+ cab is a very standard combination this days for Hybrid set up.
If only Pete would let Lee explain why...
I’d love that 4x12……but it’s 42kg!
Yeah: next year you can have a second usb stick with Ki /AI that plays Guitar like you, maybe if you get sick and have to stay Home…
And how much is that Godzilla going to cost? 2k maybe?
1,800.00
“Tube amps are heavy and too big”
“Let’s create modeling! It will be lightweight and go front of house”
“Let’s create a monstrous cab so you can amplify your models of tube amps being played through cabinets”
I’m sorry what 😂😂😂? I don’t get it
While I’m being cheeky the counter is this:
Players are moving to modelers and they are getting used to that workflow. Using that platform to design tone and write music around the functionality of modelers. While you could use 4 cable method sure - you can’t just change amp sounds patch to patch or song to song. Music like Devin Townsend/Haken/etc just have way too many amp tones to cover in a single tube head.
If you are someone that already invested in digital platform you can either just get this -> or invest in tube head/cabinet and change your entire workflow around trying to incorporate that.
I almost want to stop watching andertons. The whole point of going to Namm and doing these videos is to show off the gear there but you guys are acting like children.
I like how Lee no longer has voice.
This was unwatchable. Ffs let the man speak.
How rude was Pete constantly interupting mr laney not cool at all.
Wow...are these guys drunk? Rude af
No PRS, no Fender, no Gibson, no Rickenbacker...NAMM 2024 is Lamey.
Any reason why those brands aren’t present?
@@louissanderson719 no longer worth it to them apparently
I realize it's less important but I don't think I've seen any Schecter presence aside from Skolnick shredding the MGK blade
Annoying Anderson's people.
Lot of people not fully understanding British humour in the comments 😂
Let’s not pretend this is just British humour.
They are there to show new products from companies yet all Pete could do was start a debate about it.
We get it he doesn’t like digital products but he needs to stop with the BS when dealing with it.
These amp builders should be shitting themselves. Gigs are dead. Young musicians don’t use amps. And old musicians are……old.
Old guys have money tho