Imagine if the Abyss tried to tempt Wanderer into joining them with the promise of weaving an entirely new leyline that actually does erase his past trauma...
@@binniee9326 Well yeah that's why I said they'd try to tempt him. That doesn't mean he'll agree but it would definitely be a test for him and how far he's come.
That is a fun thought from the Abyss Order, but Scara would definitely refuse. The point of him erasing himself is that others could have lived a better life, had he not been there. He doesn't really cared about his own suffering, and is trying to be responsible for his own actions in the forgotten past. But if they could change the past, I supposed that it would be a hard choice for him.
I haven’t finished the video yet, but I wanted to point out the Fatui wheel, which contains the constellations of every harbinger. Maybe they could use said wheel to track down the constellation’s owner
I think the internal dialogue with traveler in Bedtime Story where the Traveler says that editing memories (well- just adding them in Caribert's case) just can't work because there's always a "tell" and that there's always an inconsistency between the fake memories and the physical world, is a way of telling the player that the theory that Irminsul changes memories is wrong to begin with. There's a similar episode in Sabzeruz where the dialogue between Traveler and Nahida where the Traveler has to first figure out what's going on, has Traveler make two bad guesses that are knocked down. One of these bad guesses is that memories were edited, and it's knocked down by a similar argument to that in Bedtime story. Namely, that you can't edit memories without leaving a "tell" or contradiction with the physical world. With Irminsul we're not told of any tell or contradiction with the physical world and this is a case that Traveler has in mind when considering the Bedtime story situation, and making the comment about all memory manipulation necessarily having a tell. This is a pretty bizarre thing to say unless either (1) Irminsul doesn't manipulate memories or (2) Traveler is aware of physical proof of contradictions to the new Irminsul narrative and the player never got told about them. There's no sense that changing only memories can hack it any more as an explanation of what's going on.
irminsul reaches farther then most things so it rewrites the written word along with memory, essentially rewriting physical manifestation of memory. but notably it never actually changed the actual events. remember when the shift happened and paimon suddenly couldn't remember that the vase was broken? the inconsistency was that there was no explanation for the broken vase and for paimon being so adamant about not sleeping for a time. it didn't get much attention drawn to it due to the fact that it was more being used as the sign that the player had to go and gather intel. there's also the matter that when scara ceased to be remembered most of his impact on the world was lifetimes ago or easily shuffled into "nah there wasn't anyone there actually" territory [as far as the player could find]. there's also the matter that in the new narrative there was suddenly some random amnesiac non-human inazuman wandering around sumeru for seemingly no reason ps: i am typing this when i should be asleep some hours ago
@@kallistiravenhurst5232 Yes this sort of nonsense was popular a year ago. "It's only memories" which was super obviously false. And then "it's only memories and books" and then "it's only memories and books and letters and anything written" and then "it's only memories and everything physical". Nahida says the design of the robot changed since it had no pilot but I guess that's a "book" somehow too. As for the vase having "no explanation" Nicole literally says it was broken by a cat or a bird. Literally word for word she provides an explanation and the "only memories" folks were forced to say "no explanation". As well as saying "Nicole says the past can't change" when Nicole literally says that it can. It was always a terrible theory. If you look back even at the time it came out Nahida says Irminsul changes the whole of reality - not memories. She says the evil deeds Scaramouche did are NOT in the past but "somewhere much further away". Paimon calls it the "past past". All people had to do was read the text. Or remember the lessons from Sabzeruz. And now with bedtime story those lessons were repeated and confirmed in the context of the Loom which is a type of Irminsul. Going beyond even that we're directly told flat out that the completed Loom cannot change memories. Cannot change memories. So all the "memories only" people say "that means it can change memories". It's time to give it up. Irminsul changes reality. Irminsul changes the past. Irminsul changes the future. Irminsul changes fate. It does not and never has changed "only memories". .
I wonder if Arlecchino can't be affected by irminsul, since she's probably a reincarnation of someone from the CM dynasty. I think it's possible if she was 'made' instead of being born but idkkkk
I can boost that theory for you, on the banner that has extremely revealing information. It says Ashen Flame on Arlecchino. Idk about you but Ashen flame is someone that has LOST her real memories and now lives another persons life which is demonstrated by Arlecchino herself in her story quest. The irony is probably that Arlecchino herself is an ashen flame I am very drawn to her being Princess Marcotte. It says in game that it's a "fairy tale" but that has been said so many times now and Genshin is currently trying to entangle the definitions of reality and dream, the new event is dong the same thing. I think the fairy tales are real and we are the dream. I am stuck on Clothar that says to Caribert "we are in a fairy tale my son"
@@alexanderericson8628 no idea, it's supposed to be a purple hat guy but we only have a blue hat guy. in case we aren't joking, scaramouche. arle doesn't have a scara line
Honestly...I *want* him to be remembered by at least someone from the Fatui prominent in his life before the deletion, namely, Dottore. The idea that someone from the Fatui knows of him still would serve for such an interesting plot and may force the Wanderer to look back once more, to doubt himself once again, and to have to face the consequences of a past he chose not to regret, despite what he feels inside. Im wondering how Hoyo would portray such, especially since an open "ending" was left to his story, an ending that lead us to wonder where the winds would lead him, but what if those winds traveled to the very abyss of torment that had been supposedly "erased"? Now, I personally think he did *not* have a redemption arc, because for someone so wretched and already ruined, the hollow of sin and pain will always remain, because *nothing* can erase the whispers of the heart, and nothing can hope to redeem him, the only thing he can do is accept and strive forward. So if Hoyo decided to make an entire arc that dragged him back into the past, defying the expectations of a *seemingly* new beginning, then I would either start crying or squeal with joy. Idk what i just typed but i think what i was trying to say was: What if Hoyo gave him a (for lack of a better word, like I said, I do not believe he was ever redeemed) reverse-redemption? What if the true ending of his story, one that was meant to be, was one of a dismal void, like how he had once imagined himself, and likely still does? I would hate to see him suffer more, yet i think it would fit the overall theme of his character and maybe be good writing on Hoyo's part(dont quote me on that idk anything about writing, just spewing random ideas). But either way, I do still love the quote-on-quote "ending" of his story, an ending that marked a new beginning, not neccesarily one of hope, but rather, quite literally a *new* start, a blank state that appears empty and fresh, but has certainely left its mark on the world, one that hides so many erasures of truths and immeasurable despair that will only ever be remembered by the one who imprinted them there, stains meant not to be forgotten, but instead carried along to a future most unknown. I do enjoy that concept quite a lot, but I still would live to see a continuation to his story, one that took a bleaker turn to give us more insight on who he truly is deep down. I want to see how Hoyo better conveys to us that he is unforgivable, that no matter where he turns, which path he walks in his pathless life, he will only ever be met by a dead end, a life he is all too familiar with. The sentiment is a very intriguing one imo, and I really just want his story to be developed more on still, on a note that feels befitting even if dismaying(ofc, I do love the current conclusion to his story, Im just kinda thinking about if this was irl for some reason lol. Or maybe i just love angst and wanna see more of him, idk atp)
Fairly sure offworlders aren't bound by irminsul will retain memories such as Ajax's master. Paimon forgot but Traveler remembers initially. Perhaps scaromouche was not the only harbinger who removed themselves from irminsul given another seat is also vacant.
10:00 His situation resembles childes maybe more closely than you might assume here, both were betrayed by the fatui, and the fatui still trusts both. (child was pissed at Signora and overtly follows Traritsa instead of the organization. I suspect Scara knowing the truth (falling stars) leads them to trust his motives will align with theirs long term regardless of explicit ties to their orginization. Further, tartaglia might know same truth from his time with skirk, and may be more aware of greater events than we credit. He just works in simple terms, within a complex world. just my understanding 3:44 literally khanria's answer right? they encoded their soldiers speach in the ruin guards we find around yea? I assumed that was less about sending data and more about the encryption. (less language, more security, i.e. they werent using code just because there tools made them like the first telegraphs irl)
My concern for the 1st one is in this new universe, theres a chance the fatui dont remember scaramouche but accidentally re-discover that he exists via documents. But it's still effectively a complete stranger to them (their memories are gone). It's like finding out you have a secret sibling somewhere kind of vibes except that sibling is in the secret service and youre in the mafia
I was recently reminded of the 'La Signora will be revived ' theory and it occurred to me. Would she remember the Balladeer if she were revived? Or would Irminsul's change effect her too? Assuming that she'd be reborn with any memories of her past life...
Imagine if the Abyss tried to tempt Wanderer into joining them with the promise of weaving an entirely new leyline that actually does erase his past trauma...
It's possible, but at the same time I think it will undo some of the character development he already has so it's unlikely
@@binniee9326 Well yeah that's why I said they'd try to tempt him. That doesn't mean he'll agree but it would definitely be a test for him and how far he's come.
That is a fun thought from the Abyss Order, but Scara would definitely refuse. The point of him erasing himself is that others could have lived a better life, had he not been there. He doesn't really cared about his own suffering, and is trying to be responsible for his own actions in the forgotten past.
But if they could change the past, I supposed that it would be a hard choice for him.
Aster knowing SCP lore isnt something i have on my bingo card
read this comment before watching, what a way to build hype
Ngl same. I heard it and I just stared at the screen for a sec
I haven’t finished the video yet, but I wanted to point out the Fatui wheel, which contains the constellations of every harbinger. Maybe they could use said wheel to track down the constellation’s owner
wait a minutee...I didn't know there was some leftover from old dendro archon still existing!!!
I think the internal dialogue with traveler in Bedtime Story where the Traveler says that editing memories (well- just adding them in Caribert's case) just can't work because there's always a "tell" and that there's always an inconsistency between the fake memories and the physical world, is a way of telling the player that the theory that Irminsul changes memories is wrong to begin with. There's a similar episode in Sabzeruz where the dialogue between Traveler and Nahida where the Traveler has to first figure out what's going on, has Traveler make two bad guesses that are knocked down. One of these bad guesses is that memories were edited, and it's knocked down by a similar argument to that in Bedtime story. Namely, that you can't edit memories without leaving a "tell" or contradiction with the physical world.
With Irminsul we're not told of any tell or contradiction with the physical world and this is a case that Traveler has in mind when considering the Bedtime story situation, and making the comment about all memory manipulation necessarily having a tell. This is a pretty bizarre thing to say unless either (1) Irminsul doesn't manipulate memories or (2) Traveler is aware of physical proof of contradictions to the new Irminsul narrative and the player never got told about them.
There's no sense that changing only memories can hack it any more as an explanation of what's going on.
irminsul reaches farther then most things so it rewrites the written word along with memory, essentially rewriting physical manifestation of memory. but notably it never actually changed the actual events. remember when the shift happened and paimon suddenly couldn't remember that the vase was broken? the inconsistency was that there was no explanation for the broken vase and for paimon being so adamant about not sleeping for a time. it didn't get much attention drawn to it due to the fact that it was more being used as the sign that the player had to go and gather intel. there's also the matter that when scara ceased to be remembered most of his impact on the world was lifetimes ago or easily shuffled into "nah there wasn't anyone there actually" territory [as far as the player could find]. there's also the matter that in the new narrative there was suddenly some random amnesiac non-human inazuman wandering around sumeru for seemingly no reason
ps: i am typing this when i should be asleep some hours ago
@@kallistiravenhurst5232 Yes this sort of nonsense was popular a year ago. "It's only memories" which was super obviously false. And then "it's only memories and books" and then "it's only memories and books and letters and anything written" and then "it's only memories and everything physical". Nahida says the design of the robot changed since it had no pilot but I guess that's a "book" somehow too.
As for the vase having "no explanation" Nicole literally says it was broken by a cat or a bird. Literally word for word she provides an explanation and the "only memories" folks were forced to say "no explanation". As well as saying "Nicole says the past can't change" when Nicole literally says that it can.
It was always a terrible theory. If you look back even at the time it came out Nahida says Irminsul changes the whole of reality - not memories. She says the evil deeds Scaramouche did are NOT in the past but "somewhere much further away". Paimon calls it the "past past". All people had to do was read the text. Or remember the lessons from Sabzeruz. And now with bedtime story those lessons were repeated and confirmed in the context of the Loom which is a type of Irminsul.
Going beyond even that we're directly told flat out that the completed Loom cannot change memories. Cannot change memories. So all the "memories only" people say "that means it can change memories".
It's time to give it up. Irminsul changes reality. Irminsul changes the past. Irminsul changes the future. Irminsul changes fate.
It does not and never has changed "only memories".
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I wonder if Arlecchino can't be affected by irminsul, since she's probably a reincarnation of someone from the CM dynasty. I think it's possible if she was 'made' instead of being born but idkkkk
I can boost that theory for you, on the banner that has extremely revealing information. It says Ashen Flame on Arlecchino. Idk about you but Ashen flame is someone that has LOST her real memories and now lives another persons life which is demonstrated by Arlecchino herself in her story quest. The irony is probably that Arlecchino herself is an ashen flame I am very drawn to her being Princess Marcotte. It says in game that it's a "fairy tale" but that has been said so many times now and Genshin is currently trying to entangle the definitions of reality and dream, the new event is dong the same thing. I think the fairy tales are real and we are the dream. I am stuck on Clothar that says to Caribert "we are in a fairy tale my son"
@@alexanderericson8628ohh yea i forgot about that, thanks man
@@alexanderericson8628 too bad she doesn't have a line about him at all
@@silverX3870 a line about who?
@@alexanderericson8628 no idea, it's supposed to be a purple hat guy but we only have a blue hat guy.
in case we aren't joking, scaramouche. arle doesn't have a scara line
Honestly...I *want* him to be remembered by at least someone from the Fatui prominent in his life before the deletion, namely, Dottore. The idea that someone from the Fatui knows of him still would serve for such an interesting plot and may force the Wanderer to look back once more, to doubt himself once again, and to have to face the consequences of a past he chose not to regret, despite what he feels inside. Im wondering how Hoyo would portray such, especially since an open "ending" was left to his story, an ending that lead us to wonder where the winds would lead him, but what if those winds traveled to the very abyss of torment that had been supposedly "erased"? Now, I personally think he did *not* have a redemption arc, because for someone so wretched and already ruined, the hollow of sin and pain will always remain, because *nothing* can erase the whispers of the heart, and nothing can hope to redeem him, the only thing he can do is accept and strive forward. So if Hoyo decided to make an entire arc that dragged him back into the past, defying the expectations of a *seemingly* new beginning, then I would either start crying or squeal with joy.
Idk what i just typed but i think what i was trying to say was: What if Hoyo gave him a (for lack of a better word, like I said, I do not believe he was ever redeemed) reverse-redemption? What if the true ending of his story, one that was meant to be, was one of a dismal void, like how he had once imagined himself, and likely still does? I would hate to see him suffer more, yet i think it would fit the overall theme of his character and maybe be good writing on Hoyo's part(dont quote me on that idk anything about writing, just spewing random ideas). But either way, I do still love the quote-on-quote "ending" of his story, an ending that marked a new beginning, not neccesarily one of hope, but rather, quite literally a *new* start, a blank state that appears empty and fresh, but has certainely left its mark on the world, one that hides so many erasures of truths and immeasurable despair that will only ever be remembered by the one who imprinted them there, stains meant not to be forgotten, but instead carried along to a future most unknown. I do enjoy that concept quite a lot, but I still would live to see a continuation to his story, one that took a bleaker turn to give us more insight on who he truly is deep down. I want to see how Hoyo better conveys to us that he is unforgivable, that no matter where he turns, which path he walks in his pathless life, he will only ever be met by a dead end, a life he is all too familiar with. The sentiment is a very intriguing one imo, and I really just want his story to be developed more on still, on a note that feels befitting even if dismaying(ofc, I do love the current conclusion to his story, Im just kinda thinking about if this was irl for some reason lol. Or maybe i just love angst and wanna see more of him, idk atp)
Fairly sure offworlders aren't bound by irminsul will retain memories such as Ajax's master. Paimon forgot but Traveler remembers initially.
Perhaps scaromouche was not the only harbinger who removed themselves from irminsul given another seat is also vacant.
10:00 His situation resembles childes maybe more closely than you might assume here, both were betrayed by the fatui, and the fatui still trusts both.
(child was pissed at Signora and overtly follows Traritsa instead of the organization. I suspect Scara knowing the truth (falling stars) leads them to trust his motives will align with theirs long term regardless of explicit ties to their orginization. Further, tartaglia might know same truth from his time with skirk, and may be more aware of greater events than we credit. He just works in simple terms, within a complex world. just my understanding
3:44 literally khanria's answer right?
they encoded their soldiers speach in the ruin guards we find around yea? I assumed that was less about sending data and more about the encryption. (less language, more security, i.e. they werent using code just because there tools made them like the first telegraphs irl)
My concern for the 1st one is in this new universe, theres a chance the fatui dont remember scaramouche but accidentally re-discover that he exists via documents. But it's still effectively a complete stranger to them (their memories are gone).
It's like finding out you have a secret sibling somewhere kind of vibes except that sibling is in the secret service and youre in the mafia
I was recently reminded of the 'La Signora will be revived ' theory and it occurred to me. Would she remember the Balladeer if she were revived? Or would Irminsul's change effect her too? Assuming that she'd be reborn with any memories of her past life...
Dottore probably knows since his segments are based on scaramouche and he would probably be able to deduce who the missing person was
Brilliant perspectives👍
I love how the engraving suggests as long as its some form of lossy transformation it works. Take a you know what is a lossy transformation? MP4, lol
I thought you're stopping with Genshin
That's such a nice surprise!
She isn't, she'll just do one when she really want, and won't really force herself
From what I understand-
Not 100%
@@ChillwithAster good for you ❤
Who's scaramouche ? , don't know the guy
The only guy I know is Hat Guy. Scarawho?
SCP anyone?