Derating of Conductors Explained

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  • čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
  • In this video we discuss why we need to derate conductors and how we do it. We look at the NEC 2014 and how it is understood.
    Art.310.15(B)(3)(a) in the NEC 2014 that will give you the chart to figure out what percentage to use.

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  • @tylerbiggs9474
    @tylerbiggs9474 Před 5 lety +36

    you seriously just made my life so much easier. i have been struggling in school but watching this video made everything so much better and i got an A on my test. please dont stop making videos

  • @danieljudkins7974
    @danieljudkins7974 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Craig, I have been watching your videos since I started my apprenticeship. I take my JW exam next week and am brushing up on some things by watching your videos. Thank you so much for posting your videos.

  • @izdagrimeyone
    @izdagrimeyone Před rokem +1

    I literally played this video, for the past 3 hours studying all day. Using the 2017 edition.Table 310.15(B)(16) yet the top reads 310.60 on pg 70-150. That was messing me up. Now that I tabbed my book that was half the battle. Turn the page and find #of conductors This video is so perfect for load calculations. Cut the search down by a lot. Keep up the good work

  • @meilissawang2807
    @meilissawang2807 Před 8 měsíci +2

    You’re a excellent teacher body your explanations your tone of voice everything I feel very easy to catch everything you’re teaching

  • @TheTantanski
    @TheTantanski Před 4 lety +7

    My first time managing a small project, this helped me clear things up.!!! Thank you.!!

  • @CGV5280
    @CGV5280 Před 4 lety +3

    I'm in my 1st yrs. 1st semester 6months in the trade. Your a great instructor. Thank you for the video's.

  • @peterponcedeleon3368
    @peterponcedeleon3368 Před 4 lety +1

    I really appreciated the tutorial! Please make more. I have been a tradesman my entire adult life. Turned Financial Advisor, now working in the content monetization space. I loved it!!!!

  • @benfullerton7931
    @benfullerton7931 Před rokem +1

    As a brand new JW, this is awesome, thank you so much.

  • @concepcionmariera2162
    @concepcionmariera2162 Před 10 měsíci +1

    /// FIRE !!!! QUICK AND SIMPLE. I LOVE TO LEARN THIS WAY. THANK YOU.

  • @danieldyer9177
    @danieldyer9177 Před rokem +1

    I've been busting my brain and you made this so easy to understand take you very much

  • @jarrydee2799
    @jarrydee2799 Před 4 lety +2

    Thank you for this. I am taking my J-man test end of Nov. and I just KNOW this stuff is going to be on the test. Thank you for making it easy!

  • @RicardoDelgado-zr4ki
    @RicardoDelgado-zr4ki Před 6 měsíci +1

    Another great video sir, thanks for the breakdown, my professor wouldn’t have the patience

  • @joseovelasquez6264
    @joseovelasquez6264 Před 4 lety +2

    Craig great video this is making alot of sence now
    Am taking a electrical system code and theory class at my school and we are going through de rating conductors and also Over current protection devices but this video helps alot more thanks for sharing with us about the NEC

  • @big40glock84
    @big40glock84 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Thank you for making this video brother

  • @jessegravesgraves4749
    @jessegravesgraves4749 Před 3 lety

    Believe it or not , I actually learned the most from you. ! As far as CZcams channels are concerned.

  • @Artikgrau325is
    @Artikgrau325is Před 5 lety

    Very well explained, derating always was somewhat a mystery for me, and I've only pulled whatever size I was told to pull. Now I have more knowledge to do a quality job in the field. Thank you.

  • @lanceuppercut5939
    @lanceuppercut5939 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Awesome video, very easy to understand thank you.

  • @davi-un7ku
    @davi-un7ku Před 3 lety

    Thank you sir extremely good explanation, none of my teachers explainations where clear but you did it with ease! The apprentice thanks you

  • @jarrydee2799
    @jarrydee2799 Před 4 lety +2

    I wish you were my boss!! You seem like a nice guy, with lot's of knowledge

  • @EastCoastSparky
    @EastCoastSparky Před 6 měsíci +1

    great explanation thanks!

  • @KenKaneki-xh7by
    @KenKaneki-xh7by Před 4 lety

    This helped me out far more than class did. Thank you so much.

  • @whatsreal7365
    @whatsreal7365 Před rokem +1

    Appreciate the info brother!

  • @TuberKMT
    @TuberKMT Před 7 měsíci +1

    Super helpful and simple to follow. Thank you! Subscribing!

  • @philmiller9376
    @philmiller9376 Před 6 lety +4

    Heat is the Enemy. Nice Video

    • @craigmichaud-electricalins4602
      @craigmichaud-electricalins4602  Před 6 lety +1

      Thank you for watching!! It is a great thing for people to understand. We don't just pull wire and put up lights. This is why we charge for our knowledge.

  • @nicksince91
    @nicksince91 Před 4 lety +2

    My dude craig coming with straight knowledge. Much appreciated.

  • @ArelSprite
    @ArelSprite Před rokem +1

    Excellent explanation!

  • @realspillmidwestboxingtalk2139
    @realspillmidwestboxingtalk2139 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Great breakdown

  • @mark_torresx3
    @mark_torresx3 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Nice thank you so much is very useful. Keep the videos coming I’m subscribed.

  • @juanramirez-mp4uk
    @juanramirez-mp4uk Před 4 lety

    I really liked your video. I'm going through classes and helped me to catch up. Thank you.

  • @peterjenkins886
    @peterjenkins886 Před 4 lety

    thank u craig quick to the point and very clear with instruction

  • @paulanthony4089
    @paulanthony4089 Před 4 lety

    Great explanation. Your videos help so much with my studies. These books are confusing. Keep it up!

  • @mattc41854
    @mattc41854 Před 4 lety

    Hey that was a great video!!! It really made sense of this sweating thing. I never really understood it but your video was really easy to understand. I’m going to check out your other vids. Thanks again

  • @ig3024
    @ig3024 Před 4 lety +1

    Idk how to ask this any easier way but does conduit size change the derating factor? For instance 9 c.c.c #12 20amp breaker (70%)maximum without derating Through 3/4 conduit. Does this still stand for 1” or 1 1/4 conduit. Since the conduit is larger less heat? If conduit size doesn’t matter then how could this formula stand for 9 c.c.c #12-20amp breaker through a 4” conduit? If I pulled 10 wires would I really have to Derate?

  • @rubygarcia516
    @rubygarcia516 Před 3 lety +2

    NEC 2021
    TABLE 310.16 & 310.15 (c) (1)

  • @flacoeloco
    @flacoeloco Před 5 lety +1

    Very good explanation, always wondered how to derate, you just made my life easier, don’t stop making your videos👍💯

  • @gengizaghdasi
    @gengizaghdasi Před 6 lety +2

    Thank you this was easy to understand

  • @milan512
    @milan512 Před 5 lety +1

    Hello , You’re videos are bad ass !! 💯

  • @8yerbrain
    @8yerbrain Před 3 lety

    Thank you for your excellent explanation.

  • @ricardocolbert5493
    @ricardocolbert5493 Před 2 lety

    Ok ,I hope that you are experiencing a complete recovery, I will be on alert for your post some time in March thanks for responding, hope to remain in contact w/u be safe.

  • @icevariable9600
    @icevariable9600 Před rokem

    So, I'm wondering if it would be cheaper to run one 1" EMT with 10 conductors at 50% ampacity, or two 3/4" with 5 conductors each, at 80% ampacity. Or what the hell, maybe throw up 3 1/2" EMT with 3 conductors each, all at 100% ampacity. Lots to think about. Thanks a lot for this awesome insight into a very perplexing part of my job.

  • @clavelarmandojesus4048
    @clavelarmandojesus4048 Před 3 lety +1

    You don’t have an idea how values this is for me . Now I have to do my homework on NEC . Thanks

  • @PeymanSultan-wn6iw
    @PeymanSultan-wn6iw Před 11 měsíci +1

    Thanks

  • @bernieromero5597
    @bernieromero5597 Před 3 lety

    cool video, makes it easier to understand

  • @aaronfidelisrecine
    @aaronfidelisrecine Před rokem +1

    OMFGGGGG IT MAKES SENNNNSEEE THANK YOU!

  • @JesusCruz-wt2zp
    @JesusCruz-wt2zp Před 3 lety +1

    Would you make a video about when we count neutral as a CCC and when not

  • @levarmenifee3065
    @levarmenifee3065 Před 6 lety +1

    Good tutorial learned this in class today

  • @MikeJones-nm8qt
    @MikeJones-nm8qt Před 5 lety +1

    Hi Craig!!! Love your videos!!!

  • @guadarramarichard
    @guadarramarichard Před 2 lety +1

    so if u up the wire, the breaker size stay the same?

  • @buddhalovechild
    @buddhalovechild Před 2 lety

    Excellent. Thank you.

  • @fishmasterdan
    @fishmasterdan Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks for making videos. However I would like to point out derating is based on conductor type. Most our conductors today are 90d not 75d like the video. After your derating has been calculated you then cant exceed your termination ratings . Ie #10 rerated to 50% is 20a which does not exceed the 75d column if your using 75d terminals. In this example you could use 20 #10 at 20a in 1" emt.

  • @ready4itall89
    @ready4itall89 Před 5 lety

    Just want to give you props. Very well done. Made simple

  • @phantomjoe86
    @phantomjoe86 Před 2 lety

    Thank you so much

  • @christianhufton6445
    @christianhufton6445 Před rokem

    How do do the same thing with different size conductors

  • @miguellopez6328
    @miguellopez6328 Před 5 lety +1

    Thank you very much !!

  • @907sno
    @907sno Před 7 měsíci

    This might be a dumb question but is that amperage per conductor or total amount in the conduit.

  • @edwardsmith4353
    @edwardsmith4353 Před 3 lety +1

    any chance of updating to 2020 NEC code?

  • @educationpower1823
    @educationpower1823 Před 2 lety

    Interesting that you call it debating
    The code got rid of that term and identify it as adjustment or correction. Just curious..

  • @jorgeescutia9578
    @jorgeescutia9578 Před 6 dny +1

    Does the 40% wire fill matter if ur de rating instead?

    • @craigmichaud-electricalins4602
      @craigmichaud-electricalins4602  Před 6 dny

      @@jorgeescutia9578 yes it does!! Conduit fill based on 40% is based on area where derating only refers to the safe ampacity of the conductor. CM

  • @jorgeceballos8308
    @jorgeceballos8308 Před 5 lety +2

    What abuot with two diferent gauge of wire in the same pipe, what's the proces?

    • @mattrob15
      @mattrob15 Před 3 lety

      I don't think it matters, but you have to debate each wire accordingly.

  • @grassrunner7983
    @grassrunner7983 Před rokem

    Nice

  • @dicknastee1652
    @dicknastee1652 Před rokem

    Where might you find 310.15(B) 16

  • @brandondenton494
    @brandondenton494 Před rokem +2

    Is the neutral/ grounded wire a current carrying conductor?

    • @craigmichaud-electricalins4602
      @craigmichaud-electricalins4602  Před rokem +2

      Yes it is! CM

    • @MrWom80
      @MrWom80 Před 9 dny

      Does a feed and return (SL) in one conduit, consider to be ALL current carrying conductors? Example: 12/2 feed switch, 12/2 return back, but route threw a T fitting to another location.One conduit has (2) Blk & (2) white, same circuit. Is this 4 current carrying conductors?​@@craigmichaud-electricalins4602

  • @patrickgreen9486
    @patrickgreen9486 Před 5 lety +1

    In your example are you accounting for the neutral conductors in your four wires? And also what if you have three hots in your circute? In that case how would it work with six current caring conductors?

    • @craigmichaud-electricalins4602
      @craigmichaud-electricalins4602  Před 5 lety +2

      The nuetral is always counted as a current carrying conductor. So if you have 6 wires and they are current carrying then you calculate them according to the code. Hope that explains it better for you. Thank you for your question. CM

  • @vasiqshair
    @vasiqshair Před 5 lety

    Excellent!

  • @jeanious2009
    @jeanious2009 Před 5 lety +2

    After 3 current conductors, does the neutral count as a current carrying conductor?

  • @mstrlucky652
    @mstrlucky652 Před 4 lety

    you're supposed to use the 90-degree column when applying adjustment of correction

  • @CommunityGuidelinez
    @CommunityGuidelinez Před 2 lety

    Over the years I've noticed a lot of guys ask if a neutral is considered a current carrying conductor, so I've adjusted my vocabulary from "hot/neutral/ground" over to "Ungrounded Conductor/Grounded Conductor/Grounding Conductor". I also make sure I spend plenty of time with them on Article 💯. 😉

    • @1brrooke1
      @1brrooke1 Před rokem

      Grounded and grounding conductor are two separate things. Don’t know if you caught that.

    • @CommunityGuidelinez
      @CommunityGuidelinez Před rokem +1

      @@1brrooke1 Thats right. As I said, Ungrounded Conductor(hot), Grounded Conductor(Neutral), and Grounding Conductor(Ground). The terminology of Grounding Conductor is misleading because the ground is not considered a current carrying conductor, it's only there to provide a path for available fault current. 👍

  • @oscar27ization
    @oscar27ization Před 2 lety

    Why they say you can use ANNEX without derating??

  • @mikegardiner6639
    @mikegardiner6639 Před 3 lety +1

    Your awesome... One question when de rating do you include the nuetral? So all my wires if I had to bump them up to the next size would all have to be a number 6 including the nuetral? And one more question. Can you legally go done one size with the nuetral and 2 sizes with a ground? Thanks for your knowledge. You make learning extremely fun.

    • @KLAWNINETY
      @KLAWNINETY Před 3 lety +3

      The neutral is a current carrying conductor, so you have to size it accordingly and include it in your pipe fill and de-rating calculations. You also do not need to de-rate the ground as far as I know since it does not carry current, for example if you are using a #10 de-rated down to 20 amps you can still use a #12 ground, you don't actually have to upsize the ground to a #10 the way you would if the #10 hot was being used for a 30 amp load.

    • @mikegardiner6639
      @mikegardiner6639 Před 3 lety

      @@KLAWNINETY thank you makes perfect sense

  • @dja711
    @dja711 Před 3 lety

    Thank you for the video I have a job site situation. I have 9 circuits (general use receptacles) to run in a 1 inch EMT. So 18 current carrying conductors. number 12 thhn. So 50 percent adjustment on 30 amp wire. Is that ok on a 20 amp breaker. Thank you.

  • @bigripdeniro1952
    @bigripdeniro1952 Před 4 lety +1

    why u use 75d column and not 90dc

    • @douglassanchez5604
      @douglassanchez5604 Před 4 lety +1

      Big Rip Deniro I always use the 90dc I have no idea why he took the 75dc

  • @jorgehuizarsr1630
    @jorgehuizarsr1630 Před 2 lety

    hell yea made sense thank u sooooo much

  • @zakirullahzakir6569
    @zakirullahzakir6569 Před 4 lety

    Sir, for derating you have to go to 90degree column not 75degree

  • @ricardocolbert5493
    @ricardocolbert5493 Před 2 lety +1

    Craig I’m subscribed to your but I never receive any message when you post new videos. I study your post. You teaching method simplifies many areas of the electrical code, that are often difficult to grasp. thanks in advance Rick

  • @daddyd1500
    @daddyd1500 Před 3 lety

    Hey Craig, I'm new to your channel. Great content! Thank you! I see this quite often. Multiple romex stuffed in a single hole. Any information would be greatly appreciated

  • @82Ismael
    @82Ismael Před 5 lety +2

    Question a current carrying cunductor also includes a neutral wire? Also thanks for yhe video

    • @craigmichaud-electricalins4602
      @craigmichaud-electricalins4602  Před 5 lety

      Thank you for the question!! Yes the neutral wire is considered a Current-carrying conductor. Thank you for watching my video!! CM

    • @86aoshi
      @86aoshi Před 5 lety +1

      @@craigmichaud-electricalins4602
      Is it true that the neutral doesnt count as a current carrying conductor if its a balanced shared neutral?

    • @craigmichaud-electricalins4602
      @craigmichaud-electricalins4602  Před 5 lety

      @@86aoshi I have never heard that. In any type of fault or change in the system can throw it out of whack. In the NEC it calls for all current carrying conductors. That is how I have always seen it. If you find anything that is different please email so I can read about the process. Thanks for the question!! CM

    • @86aoshi
      @86aoshi Před 5 lety +1

      @@craigmichaud-electricalins4602
      Check out 310.15(B)(5)

  • @sethrambo2234
    @sethrambo2234 Před 5 lety

    Thank you

  • @jamesbuie1686
    @jamesbuie1686 Před 5 lety +1

    Where exzAcky would I use this application on a device or a feed or service entry??

    • @craigmichaud-electricalins4602
      @craigmichaud-electricalins4602  Před 5 lety

      Thank you for your question. Derating a Conductor is a step in properly sizing the wire. It is the code version so I explain how to do it. Like I said you only use this when you have more that 3 current carrying conductors in a cable or conduit. It is not for devices but in some cases used for service feeder sizes. I hope that this answers your question!! Thanks for watching!! CM

  • @kevinmccorkle7476
    @kevinmccorkle7476 Před 3 lety

    Great info. Please don't stand in front of your board, makes it a bit tougher.

  • @djadrian2006
    @djadrian2006 Před 3 lety

    Ok im confused on how this ties in to conduit size

  • @kamilkamal9900
    @kamilkamal9900 Před 3 lety

    I have a question please sir.
    When I do temperature correction for the conductor based on the type of the insulations some times we have the same insulation type in 75 column and 90 column so which column should I use when I have the same insulation rating in the two columns?
    Thank you.

  • @EricJames-jn4dd
    @EricJames-jn4dd Před 2 lety +1

    Isn’t thwn I’m the 90 degree column

  • @borinreyes
    @borinreyes Před 4 lety

    I'm having a little bit of issues understanding how can i apply this when it comes to conduit size ?

  • @oscar27ization
    @oscar27ization Před 4 lety

    Yeh but once you have derated and have your amperage total, what do u do? That’s the breaker size amperage that you will use for each circuit?

    • @truthbebold4009
      @truthbebold4009 Před 4 lety

      Example: if you need to wire a 50 amp circuit in this scenario, you would have to adjust your wire size. So instead of #8 THWN you could select #6 which (after adjustment for 80%) has an ampacity of 52 amps.

    • @oscar27ization
      @oscar27ization Před 3 lety

      @@truthbebold4009 but isn’t 50 amps x 80% = 40? At a 75 degree would be a number 10?

  • @anthonyshedd9656
    @anthonyshedd9656 Před 5 lety

    Isnt THWN rated at 70 amps for an 8 size copper wire?

    • @zionlion47
      @zionlion47 Před 5 lety

      #8 copper thwn is rated for 50 amps. Nec code: table 310.15(B)(16)

    • @craigmichaud-electricalins4602
      @craigmichaud-electricalins4602  Před 5 lety

      No 70 amps is in the 90 degree column. You only use it when you dont know the exact wire type. Thank you for the question!! CM

  • @catonfarm9757
    @catonfarm9757 Před 2 lety

    Is there any time that you would count the neutral as current carrying conductor?

    • @CommunityGuidelinez
      @CommunityGuidelinez Před 2 lety

      Thats a perfect example of why I don't teach my guys to call it a neutral. The technical term is "Grounded Conductor", and that should answer your question sir.

  • @Testing329
    @Testing329 Před rokem

    Viva Christo Rey

  • @christopherestevez6375

    Plesse show charts

  • @hhtetris3
    @hhtetris3 Před 4 lety

    More simplified version

  • @gregjameston3210
    @gregjameston3210 Před 3 lety

    Not efficient. The code keeps it safe.

  • @waylontabor4725
    @waylontabor4725 Před 4 lety

    Thanks