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John Nores is the author of the book Hidden War: How Special Operations Game Wardens Are Reclaiming Wildlands From the Drug Cartels as well as War in the Woods: Combating the Marijuana Cartels on America’s Public Lands. The 2nd edition of Hidden War is out now.
John served as a Game Warden for the California Department of Fish and Wildlife for more than 25 years. He helped develop and lead the Marijuana Enforcement Team (MET), an elite tactical unit targeting cartel drug operations on California’s public lands and created the agency’s sniper capability. Today, he speaks nationally on domestic public safety and environmental crime threats, teaches tactical preparedness, hosts RecoilTV’s Thin Green Line film series, and co-hosts the Thin Green Line and Warden’s Watch podcasts.
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It should be open season on any cartel operating within the United States. No bag or tag limit.
While I agree with that idea in theory, in practice I think we have to be careful with that. I spend a lot of time in the woods, and I'm sure that I could easily be mistaken for cartel. They are fairly active in my state, so seeing their operations isn't unheard of. I would hate to be a casualty of mistaken identity or to cause a casualty due to that.
I think there could be some sort of deputizing process for outdoorsman to empower us to make change happen.
It should be, but their employers work in D.C. and that's problematic.
@@TierNoneOperator easy. Drone works and LPOP for a few days around where they were last seen. Corfirm suspected operations. Then hit em hard
@@nookied3735 Bingo.
Negative.This will lead to chaos and dumbass rednecks killing Hispanic looking outdoorsmen mistaking them for cartel members.Leave the cartel hunting upto LEOs.
When I first heard about Cartels in California, I told my wife, They should use them as live training opportunities for the SEALs, Green Berets, Rangers, Delta. Why not? Thins down the thugs and provides invaluable experience where Teams can apply all their knowledge on an op. Just makes sense and would reinvigorate the JUST SAY NO TO DRUGS campaign with something that ACTUALLY worked!!
OMG. Extremely based.
I fully agree!
Great minds think alike..
Fantastic idea! Never happen with our new "woke" military.
Too bad!
I like it! Also good training for forward air controllers and Hog pilots.
A buddy and I used to hunt all the time up North of Napa, CA in many areas. One hunt we ran across what I am sure was Cartel. We were always very careful to have maps and make sure we stayed on public/BLM land and stayed off private land. This incident was probably a good 30 years ago, so I can only imagine how much worse it is now. My buddy and I were working our way up a canyon. Hunting wild boar and turkey. We were both well armed. My buddy and I former Fed LEO and Military. Side arms and semi auto rifles. All of a sudden out of nowhere, we were confronted by a guy on horseback with an AK type rifle pointed at us. He said "You need to turn around and go back the way you came". We didn't argue. We backed off and kept an eye out. We knew we were on public land. We ended up continuing up the canyon, but went up high and around the area we had this encounter. No further incident. We reported it to a game warden later. We were warned to watch out for these types and avoid. Also to watch out for booby traps. Vietnam types. Like pits with sharp sticks. Fish hooks hung on fish line at eye level on trails. We need an open season on these kind of scumbags on our public lands! Sign me up!
Great story, libs ruined the most beautiful state in the union. 10% for the big guy.
I've got working dogs
Dogs that come from soldier bloodlines
I'm a Southern California native
My great-grandfather from seven generations ago was Zachary Taylor
I believe this is why a lot if people go missing in our national forests. They come across the Cartel and their grow operations. Believe me, they are not going to let you walk away.
Missing 411?? Lol
Unfortunately
The idea of armed, foreign nationals committing murder, amongst other crimes on U.S. soil is infuriating and a bit nauseating to me.
Worse is the fact that law enforcement is trying to arrest them for trial and maybe imprisonment!?!
The west really is a collapsed civilization.
Your an actor. Don't speak of shit you don't know. Have you ever even had
Your an actor. Don't speak of shit you don't know. Have you ever even had
If the government wanted this to stop, it would happen.
Let's be realistic here
I’m glad someone can see this.
If citizens wanted it to stop it wouId.
@@benkempf , yes, I have to agree
Yeah they are in on it
HOw macavllian of you.
I live in Southern California. And I'm a hunter and have already Found 5 grow operations throughout the years. The cartel is also in plain sight out in lucerne Valley deserts with huge grow operations. And the police do nothing.
Time for citizens to start taking some calculated shots.
@@benkempf Yeah....you go sport! The cartels will kill you.
@@lorenjackson8961 defend your land. The government is the cartel so don't expect help from them. Until citizens start taking responsibility for their lives, California /Mexico style government is going to run the country.
Plenty of money to look the other way as you well know . From the upper reaches of government down to street level.
They're hands have been tide from the top.
Little known facts about Fish & Game Officers: fish and game officers are 7 times more likely to be assaulted with a gun or knife than other types of law enforcement officers. They are also twice as likely to be injured in the line of duty. Relatively speaking, it's incredibly dangerous work. Friend of the family was/is a top Fish and Game guy in MT. and his stories, after decades, are pretty gripping.
Lots of lefty wokies working in MT forest service now. Don't even know how to drive on muddy forest roads or take out a fallen tree.
Interesting.
Also, it is statistically more deadly to be a white farmer in South Africa than an American soldier in the Iraq war.
@@macbird-lt8deshouldn’t be in africa in the first place
I can’t thank you all enough, you guys make me feel proud to be American, thank you for you hard work,and service for our earth!
Your corrupt politicians getting rich doesn’t bother you?
It’s not just the forests. Documentaries by Jorge Ventura are jaw dropping. Whole desert towns in the Antelope Valley and Palmdale California are being terrorized and their water stolen and diverted by the cartels. Northern Ca towns are struggling as well. Absolutely. Unbelievable.
But the US created the opioid crisis, pharmaceuticals were allowed to sell this type of drugs to the public (learn about that). The US supplies the demand, the money and the guns, that is the ONLY reason an ilegal drug industrie exists. Ford, Mercedes, VW, etc, make the cars we buy in Mexico, yet we do not call those brands Mexican, because we know what Mexico offers is cheap labor + relaxed laws that favor manufacturers, of any product, we benefit from that.
So it makes no sense that we keep blaming Mexico for what is only the consequence of a social problem in our country. If drugs weren't made in Mexico they would be made some place else, like here! truth is they are only made in Mexico because its cheaper, we like to pay cheap for the products we use.. I find it astonishing that people are making drugs in the US to sell in the US and we still call them Mexican cartels, it is absurd, this cant be solved thinking like that.
the second amendment must be exercised if we want real change to occur.
Agreed I live in Humboldt there’s a lot of cartel activity all around Humboldt and surrounding areas.
Newsomes Democratic Utopia
@@spazemfathemcazemmeleggymi272 I don’t disagree but unfortunately the 2nd amendment doesn’t doesn’t cover for vigilantism.
There's no way US officials are not allowing all this to happen.
Cia is a "civilian" organization.
Yeah way man, use some due diligence and look. The fact they are, is blatantly obvious. Because, it wouldn't be happening if they didn't. Do some research, cartels are paying off DC.
They did it before and it worked, still do for same reason.
Deny ignorance
Veritas Contra Mundum
Yep, there's money to be made projects need funding
You know it.
Well they are training them
I met Warden Nores several times while fishing and bow hunting. Every law enforcement officer should follow his example. Super cool, did his job without hesitation, but had no power trip in doing it. He is an absolute asset for DFG.
Was on the Pavehawk crew that worked with John for a few years…what a monumental professional. Damn, I loved the counter drug work…
The cartels could not exist without support from the US Government
Or China
This comment section gives me a sliver of hope this country isn't completely gone. This country is still a fragile state and spiraling towards failed.
@user-pe3ol3tg8gyes. Many still believe this is your gradndfathers country.
Us vs them.
Yeah Right
The forner agent is woefully ignorant.
Hes talking as if this is 1950s america.
No, the cartels exist because the American people have a drug problem. As long as there is a demand someone will be there to supply it.
You can thank the federal and state governments for allowing this to get out of control
Hell, you can thank them for creating this market.
Thank Reagan specifically
WHAT!?! I thought Fast and Furious was a success. Obama got them the weapons….right? 🤣😂😅
C'mon man!
😅@@peetky8645
I know this might sound corny or cheap but i Thank you for putting your lives on the line to protect this wonderful country and its resources and it's people with out a shadow of a doubt you've saved many people's lives. its a vey sad thing to see when politicians drag thier feet to do anything that is right. God Bless all the men and women who put lives on the line
They’re not just on public lands in CA. Clandestine cartel grows have also been discovered in farm land along rivers and creeks in the Midwest - areas not frequently traveled.
My brother has them sneaking through his land in Central Ohio
These are facts! Our national lands are under seige, I recently went up to Fall River Mills, California and came across MULTIPLE grows that was either right next to public land or on public land. Areas had been bulldozed multiple, 20ft connex boxes put there, multiple water tanks put up, crappy travel trailer set up & at least 3 to 4 people tending the grows from what I saw. Absolutely disgusting, and the bureaucrats in Sacramento could care less. There aren't any Law enforcement agencies funded or manned properly enough to quell this issue.
But its cow farts & petrol vehicles destroying the environment, not cartels stripping & killing the lands & wildlife.
Newsom gotta have that power to look the other way. Looking at Auntie Nancy and uncle Paul bank account.
It's your job to do something when your putfark traitors politicians aren't. You better get ready. Shit is going to get fuckin real .
Newsom, like his mother and father, is a creation of the Pilgrim Society. John Paul Getty was a major player in the pilgrims. Almost no one ever mentions this anti American organization which has done more to destroy California and America than any other. They're mission is to bring America back under the control of the British empire. Look into it. A good place to start is Americans for Innovation.
For more info about this, go to California Insider Channel; they really go in depth, explain it will! Did you know there are WHOLE COUNTIES with only 2 Sheriff's deputies, and Mexican & Hmong Cartels have THOROUGHLY TAKEN OVER in extreme far Northern counties??
Newsome and Jerry Brown are complicit.
This is the same party that screams about the environment.
I used to be a grower in Northern California, and I saw first hand some of these cartel grows. They were making so much money that they paid a buddy of mine a brand new ford f150 to drive a small group of them into the state forest, and drop them off. I told him not to do it, because we didn’t want true criminals in the area. Needless to say this hippie who lived in my barn got himself a new place to live. They also buy private property with all the money these large cartels are making. I slowly watched them move in, and bring all kinds of problems to the area. I am very thankful I changed my life, got sober, and most of all being redeemed by Jesus Christ of Nazareth!
What’s your view on cannabis now?
😮did you report them to the local law enforcement after you sobered up and found your Faith?
@DeleteTheTalmud❤ Exactly
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@DeleteTheTalmud some people just don't want to jeopardize their families. Look up borrachero and imagine what the cartels can do and I'll bet it's already happening. And it's harder to trace so if someone flipped out on their family on the outside. Nobody would know it was borrachero.
This can't happen without the help of US officials. It makes me sick. Thank you both for the work you do!
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU to ALL the men who are "behind the scenes" to protect and serve and fight for our great united states!!!!! my prayers are with you xo
Own a large cattle ranch in southeast Shasta county California. We have had cartel members cross our ranch and be caught on game cameras several times. I just always keep the ole case 580 backhoe topped off with diesel. It digs a 16 foot plus hole. If they ain’t bringing me tamales, they go in the hole. FAFO
GREAT COMMENT, THANKS!! For more info about this, go to California Insider Channel; they really go in depth, explain it will! Did you know there are WHOLE COUNTIES with only 2 Sheriff's deputies, and Mexican & Hmong Cartels have THOROUGHLY TAKEN OVER in extreme far Northern counties?
I'll bring you Tamales. Lol.
😂😂
Smoke weed everyday.
@Hellvine a weakness of mind so desired by your enemies
As a young wildland firefighter we helped load and sling out literally tons of cartel weed.
We had sheriffs and park police with machine guns, even Blackhawk helicopters with door gunners overhead at times. But it was still creepy, we could feel eyes on us at times.
The amount of environmental damage was unspeakable.
That’s just a small piece of the cartel power.
Cartel power?
What’s the question slick?
This is a small price to pay for the wonderful benefits of diversity. Think of how horrible the U.S. would be without all the ethnic food!
@@nookied3735The US is a nation of immigrants.Always has been since day 1.
Is your handle really jews are bad? is their something i'm missing motherfucker?? @@jewsrbad
I'm so glad that everyone's eyes are being opened!!!!!
Thank you for showing this informative video. I had no idea this was even taking place in our country. I hope this can be stopped.
So my intelligent guess would be that this could go a LONG way toward explaining all of the mysterious disappearances on public lands. People in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Wonder why a lot of public lands have been closed to the public... 🤔 😕 🙄
They rather blame aliens, lol. Some people do eat it up though.
Wow, as someone who just got a camper with intent on boondocking on public lands, gotta say you have my attention..
When my boys were young, I used to take them rough-camping a lot, it was less expensive than camping in official camping areas and I was a divorced mother so had little money to spend on entertainment. When I think back on those years, knowing what I know now, I shudder thinking how much potential danger we might have been in.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but they’re not just camping out in the boonies. It’s high time we took this problem FAR more seriously- a nation filled with enemies within, will not stand.
Red dawn?
Biggest enemies are in the Coke House protected by OUR MILITARY WITH OUR MONEY.
May b that’s d agenda. If u were China,wouldn’t this b a good investment
dude this isnt russia vs usa or north Korea vs USA. we are talking more like GTA have you play that shit. Its more like GTA. violence, women, drugs, alcohol.
@@marywinterstein4630 Oh, how sheltered you people are... this ain't a movie.
I remember growing up in central Utah I had a neighbor my age who revealed that his dad was part of a police unit that would take an ATV up in the foothills everyday and would bust Latino growers just above our small town. Crazy how no one knows it’s even going on unless you’re in the know
Game wardens have always been awesome to me. Always being in the parks and Forrests. Seeing em. Always have awesome info
I enjoy the series and while I don’t have an issue with marijuana, that isn’t the major point the major point is stopping Cartels and other individuals from infiltrating and ruining our environments, waterways, national forest, and farm lands.
You forgot our government. Democrats are poison.
Pot operations are surely going to progress into whatever else. If it isn't there already
Agreed. Chemical warfare has been banned at the international level. Just because they’re not a country means we should let them get away with it. For now, forget Afghanistan (save our buddies still over there as Grandpa Joe left plenty of our allies high and dry), forget the Middle East, forget Ukraine, fix our borders, crush Mexican cartels & if the corrupt Mexican government has a problem with it then they’re a problem too. We annexed them once we should do it again! This time carpet bomb the southern border leaving a channel worth of water that can’t simply be crossed. Oh you’re trying to take a boat as that’s the only possible way to cross anymore. Pew pew. One shot to the engine block! Everyone needs to remember when the west wanted Pablo Escobar removed it took a shadowy team of Delta & SAS operators who “weren’t there” to stomp him out in less than a month. The real question is why do the powers that be not want to eradicate the cartels?
I'm going to focus solely on the fact that they are threatening Americans on their own property WAY before I worry about the environment. That's a far second for me
@@charleslasley2604 absolutely I’m just stating that from a stance on speaking specifically about the environment, but yeah human life and stopping trafficking is obviously the number one priority or it would be for me. Now Majorkas he may see things a different way I’m not sure I don’t think or speak dumbass 😂, well actually traitor to his own country. But hey he developed an app 👍.
This falls squarely on the politicians. Why are they calling in the National Guard and wiping out those criminals out? Unbelievable.
Well because calling the National guard is like calling the fat security guard outside of Dunkin’ Donuts
While yall worrying about cartels your us government is doing crazier things that are diminishing your rights and the way of living and our corrupt government is responsible for the war on drugs , unconstitutional laws in place and the manifestation of cartels but racist won't see that they only care if your an illegal and if you don't belong here; kick them out, that is not the problem gringo pendejo.
@@dasboot9471 Maybe the combat training opportunities would do them some good
National guard just killed people in MAUI
STOP PLAYING THE FOOLS!!! IS THE MAY SONIC LODGES MAFIOSOS!!! JFK WAS TOTALLY RIGHT!!! MAN UP STAND UP TALK TO ALL YOUR RELATIVES IN THE ARM FORCES AND REMAIN THEM THAT THE TIME IS COMING FIR THEM TO TURN AROUND AND ARREST ALL THE ANTIAMERICAN RULING CLASS BS!!!
Thank you all so much for the conservation and security work you are all doing. Stay safe out there.
It sounds to me as though the cartels have basically taken over America in the last few years. (I can't imagine why... LOL) That a CZcams channel such as this has to be the best source of information and education on the situation (because the MSM can't be bothered to disturb the narrative they're already working on) is sickening. But, hey, at least this channel IS here. So, thank you very much for that. (Subscribed!)
We need a game warden like him in Oklahoma. Someone who truly cares and isn’t paid off. We have literally thousands of black market Chinese owned farms that are each hundreds of acres of each. Nothing but plants as far as the eye can see or dozens of massive greenhouses. Hundreds of illegals trafficked in to each farm are coming straight from China. They sleep in tents year round on the property and destroy the local wildlife populations just trying to get something to eat. Each farm has armed guards as well. You can’t miss them when driving down any smaller highway yet the narcotics division claims they’re doing all they can. They bust maybe one every other month. I can point out 100 right now. They just aren’t going after them and it’s not surprising. Our governor’s right hand man and one of his top advisors was just busted for being a “ghost owner” on licenses for black market Chinese farms as a front. The info (addresses etc) is all public record and all of the farms he “owned” had his office as the address. Money talks sadly and there is some very corrupt stuff going on. We need someone fresh who isn’t paid off in a bad way.
I told people I know not to go driving down ANY rural roads here in OK without some strong medicine in the car with you if you know what I mean. Also, go in the casinos here sometime and look at all the people gambling big money at the tables. Pretty obvious who they are. And rumor has it they employ plenty of regular "Americans" to help launder their illicit gains in the slot machines as well. Nothing being done to stop it on any scale.
I had no idea that was happening in OK. What a shame!
I worked at one doing some electrical in 2020, a Chinese guy and a Mexican dude pulled up with guards and got out all tatted up with jewelery on, I'm a big guy but that was a pretty intimidating scene, they had bought a farm out in Shawnee and were growing so much weed the clean country air stank. It's a shame to say the least.
Having lived in OKC im surprised to hear this..I always had the feeling that the state gov. was a NO love for Any law breaker..but yea..the payola now it makes sense.
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I used to work for the US Forest Service with a traveling archaeological survey unit. We'd be contracted by Forests to go do a level of work they weren't staffed up to do. On more than one occasion we couldn't work in San Bernardino National Forest or in the Shasta Trinity National Forest due to cartel operations. San Bernardino specifically was rough, not only for the pot growing locations, but it was a favored spot to dump bodies.
Fascinating. How many bodies did they find?
0. That's what the deep state wants you to think. Conspiracy theories blah blah blah
I lived in sky forest for many years, saw the cartel grows first hand. We found a body below my house at the bottom of a cliff, the worst part is the superintendent at the time (Rutherford) was on the take with the parties involved. Corner had s&r carry out the bones in a backpack.
I've personally seen these operations from the bottom to the top. CHP collect payments on the govenors behalf. "Protection money" Newsom has never met with any law enforcement agencies and ita obvious as to why.
So sad!
Absolutely amazing interview 👏 thank you. You can feel it in rural Michigan.
My deepest respect goes out to these brave men protecting our land from these wretches criminals.
I live in Western Montana. On my day hike today I saw two baldies, a great blue heron and at least six osprey. I love seeing Western toads zooming around in back channels of the Clark fork River. There's an old cow moose I've been watching through optics for years. 30 minutes from my house I can be in the middle of nowhere and not see another person all day. Anything that threatens this paradise is my enemy.
Why are so many democrats moving to Montana?
@@MNW-69To leave us to deal with their mess they’ve created. They think they’ll be safe there.😂😂😂
Don't fool yourself. You have plenty of cartel folks in MT. Surely distributing, maybe just not growing. They have completely infiltrated every state.
then stop voting for democrats and RINOs. your current governor is the biggest RINO of all.
Probably coming to screw it up
Here in Arizona, as a hunter, I have several times run into places like you mentioned, and a couple of times with persons camped( camouflaged ) nearby in the 1970s,1980s,and 1990s!I And yes, Always near a water source of some kind! Back then, I knew what it was and / or what it was going to be. As far as I knew, I was never seen except once. At a place where I would run out to just north of Phoenix, Az. To test hand loads for my hunting firearms, I spotted two Hispanic teens with green suitcases trying to sneak by me in the area my bullets were impacting after going through the targets. I yelled at them to go around the other way but they guickly disappeared on me. Not knowing where they went, I packed up and left the area. In that same area a few days later, I found/came across many 5 gallon buckets hiden under mesquite and juniper trees and all painted in green camouflage and small Marijuana plants growing in them. Again, I backed
off and left the area. A few days later, I went back with several friends to destroy the growth, but nothing was there. All buckets had been moved. I knew they couldn't be far because there were no vehicle tracks in the area, which meant they were hand carried out.We did see signs of two or four people moving through the area. We left the area just incase who ever they were might have set up some booby traps or an ambush for us. Since 2016, I have stopped watching for this stuff or hunting for these areas due to age and eyesight issues, but I know this kind of stuff has gotten worse since then and is all over the place now. What to do about it now!? I know only what I would do if I was 25 years younger! That's all I can say on this matter!
What areas of AZ are you coming across so I can avoid>>>
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My father, family friends, uncles all MDNR or other LEO. Have respect for LEO's. Now that I state that, let me ask. How are we regulating these heavy hitters of LEO's that deal in spec ops when they interact with normal outdoorsmen??? You don't take a dog trained for aggressive tactics, years of experience relying on those tactics to keep breathing, then think that dog can one day go play at the local park.
These men become heavy handed, over aggressive, flat out intimidating. Not their fault, they had to be. But to put these men back on normal patrol with decent common ppl is leading to the issues we now see between LEO's and the public.
Nevada and Arizona border between the Mojave basin is a large cartel of rangers from Nevada running both sides. It's pure evil . cottonwood Cove and 6 mile.
The interactions you speak of might be triggered by the Leo’s knowledge that these people that are being treated harshly are involved with or even themselves criminal elements. I used to run with a bunch of criminals and committed many petty crimes, my interactions with Police stopped when I stopped associating with these people and started behaving my self.
Are theirs examples of abuse of power by Police? But I think the numbers of these examples is actually much smaller than people think.
There are good and bad in any profession. Watch a channel the civil defense lawyer. You'll see the frequency of abuse on elderly, innocent and children are going up. What is alarming is the the percentage of heavy handed officers has grown in the last few years. Coupled with LEO willingness to enforce illegal laws. Civil asset forfeiture is ARMED robbery by police. If cops find a large amount of cash they can take it. Not even suspect your thinking of a crime. Have $5k cash to go buy a used car, they will steal it. Thousands of innocent ppl have been robbed that way.
Cops forcing business closed bc of the common cold, that's flat out illegal.
Red flag laws, swat team hits your house and raid you bc an anonymous concern was called in. Your not charged with a crime or even suspected of thinking of a crime. Cops just raid your home at 4am, and take your guns bc a random person doesn't like you owning them. Never face you accuser, no trial, just brut force flash bangs and your wife and children get ripped out of bed at gun point. Police eager to be heavy handed bc it's "action".
The list goes on and the frequency it happens is growing quickly.
Get a clue buddy😂😂😂 it's not cartels!!! Just Mexicans that know how to grow weed... Lol
Retards
Lmk if u want some real info
I live on the border of the white river national forest in Colorado. The cartels are setting places for fentynl drops and the setting up secondary spots for cash drops. We have seen some very strange things happening here. "Sheep herderds" with 150k motorhomes with 70k trucks. They are posing as just rv campers but with guard dogs (not sheep herding dogs)
Have you reported that to your local FBI field office?
It’s nice to see people talking about this, they have been here for decades
This is great! This man has faught and dedicated his life to defending american lives in many ways. The sad part about this is he has been at war with politicians pockets being lined by the other evil involved. Thanks for your service!
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Exactly leave them where the fall screw these people who kidnap and sell us kids 😡
channel dude i make 3d camouflage you can be 2 feet from a guy and never be seen if i can help let me no
Having to do this in the US comes as no surprise..
Trust and extreme vetting has to be the biggest hump getting into the fight!
Stay safe you all!!
Blessings
Sounds like an opportunity for our elite military to get some missions/training under their belts on US soil.
They don't wanna destroy the operation they're allowing
Yes, exactly 💯
it is all Bidens weed 🤑
the military has become woke and castrated
Elites couldn’t even defeat goat herders
These men are hero’s and I thank you. I pray for your safety and perseverance.
We were training with a Texas National Guard unit way back in 1984 in the San Jacinto National Forest. We were a LRRP unit and came across military operators in the middle of nowhere. We only observed them for about three hours. We did not engage them because we did not have any live ammunition. This was so far back in the woods that the Park Rangers had no way to engage them. We observed them training in small unit tactics and they mainly spoke Spanish. When we returned to the site with the local sheriff you could definitely see the evidence that there was at least 100 people involved in the training and they did not do a very good job of sterilizing the training area. They were simply gone! The Texas Rangers and FBI came up empty nothing ever happened. Local farmers and ranchers reported many
encounters but nothing was ever confirmed. I always believed that it was possibly a private security team that was training for a private security militia from Central America. Having your own personal private army was very common during the fighting in Nicaragua and El Salvador. I witnessed the use of private armies during my service in El Salvador with 7th Special Forces Group. I have always believed that this is much more common than we would ever know.
CSM Chapa
U.S.Army (ret)
Something I have personally witnessed in Arizona and New Mexico both are cartels will send a group of workers into the national forest with a logging permit. 4 or 5 guys will continuously cut wood while 1 or 2 take a load to town to sell. A permit for 1 cord of wood will be used for an entire summer and I have to imagine they are harvesting a dozen chords per day.
I was a wood cutter in no az, have witnessed this. The clearings ate then used to grow.
There no fear in coming to this country illegally and conducting illegal grows, this has to change
Maybe you should be more illegal
It’s small bidness that needs to fear
But who's thhe governor of CA? That mofo wants to disarm all citizens.....
While yall worrying about cartels your us government is doing crazier things that are diminishing your rights and the way of living and our corrupt government is responsible for the war on drugs , unconstitutional laws in place and the manifestation of cartels but racist won't see that they only care if your an illegal and if you don't belong here; kick them out, that is not the problem gringo pendejo.
Yeah you can’t grow natural flowers that are legal medicine without paying the proper taxes or else your a criminal and running a “cartel”. That’s America in a nutshells.
As I listen and read.. guys we been living this since days of time. Nice finally seeing some production of bringing light to what I grew up with in Texas. Stay well and vigilant.💯🇺🇸😎🌪🌎🔊
John is a hell of a guy. I trained with and worked on a handful of operations with him over a decade ago. Wealth of knowledge.
I had no clue. Thank God there are people like this protecting the environment.
Interesting how the Cartels are penetrating so deep into the USA. Drugs Human Trafficking etc. When you personally see it on the Texas border and watch the steady flow into the USA you cant help but see how we in the USA have been completely over run. IT A HUGE $$$$$$ OPERATION for USA and Cartels.
It’s a huge operation for the government. They are controlling all of this and allowing the cartels to do their thing. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fkn idiot.
America = 3rd world nation
yea weird must be that republican governor
CIA and FBI been in on it since its inception😂
As a former Deputy in my county, even though it was illegal we didn't mess with our local growers much. Why, because they hated meth labs as bad as we did at the S.O., with their help we busted 55 crystal labs in 2 years.
Wow. I thought that I was a person who "pays attention." I never heard of this. Thanks for the enlightenment. I'll tell people about this.
These grows can be anywhere. People can walk up on grows while enjoying the outdoors and be in a world of hurt very quickly. I've walked up on several over the past thirty years. I backtracked and got the hell out of there. Very scary experience!
Yeahhhhhhh, that's a problem. Probably a lot of missing persons cases.
I listened to the audiobook “Hidden War” by John while working Around the house. Being that I was born in Santa Cruz, and then I’m still a resident in San Francisco Bay area it’s all around me. I would highly recommend this book or audiobook.
Time to leave Cali forever.
Awesome job John I used to watch you on the TV show not sure which one it was cause there's like 3 now. Your work doesn't fall on blind eyes to the people who fish and hunt in California especially where we see proof of grows.
Thank you ALL for FIGHTING the GOOD FIGHT, We deeply appreciate you!!! Please stay safe & know WE PROUDLY STAND WITH YOU!!!
God Bless, guide & PROTECT YOU ALL!!!
Blessings from my Military Family, A Navy Mom, a cousin of a fallen West Point Grad in Vietnam and a PROUD USO VOLUNTEER!!!
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One of the most interesting interviews I've heard in some time. Thanks Andy. One of the things that immediately stuck out was the fact that these cartel growers are using cheaper, banned pesticides that are seriously toxic and carcinogenic. If I lived "downstream" from areas of suspected growing, I would not drink unfiltered tap water.
San Jose city water is already cancerous.
A proper reverse osmosis with an alkalizer is probably the only thing thats really gonna work.
A britta will not do anything.
Some gov. agencies have been known to spray the old "agent orange" pesticides in the Oregon forest/wilderness areas adjacent to private properties and waterways. Apparently there's loads of this high level toxin left over from the Vietnam War just sitting around in storage. They should be properly disposing of it as part of toxic superfund cleanup operations.😢
For more info about this, go to California Insider Channel; they really go in depth, explain it will! Did you know there are WHOLE COUNTIES with only 2 Sheriff's deputies, and Mexican & Hmong Cartels have THOROUGHLY TAKEN OVER in extreme far Northern counties??
If you lived downstream you should go upstream and take care of business!
The problem with law enforcement, is that they never ever go after the source, yet only address the symptoms which they are granted permission to engage.
I haven't heard a single major FBI drug bust this year. They're too busy tracking school board parents
True, problem solution loop. Good call.
Your ignorance speaks volumes. You have no idea what you're talking about. Quite frankly, you are one of the reasons this country is where it is now!
aint that the truth about law enforcement nowadays
Outstanding show and Outstanding Guest! Kudos!
Ty for putting this video out there!!!! VERY INFORMATIVE!!!! God bless you all for all you do!!!!
There was a raid here in Colorado , on a small island in the Colorado River , after the legalization of pot , a DEA agent was interviewed about why there were still illegal grows , he laughed and stated , that cartels would use it to their advantage , and it seems they have
When they made it legal, they increased the demand.
DEA = CONTROL AND DRUGS here and in any part of the world.
Because it wasn't made legal in all the surrounding states. Colorado became fertile ground for distribution
I think it's because of the HEAVY HIGH TAX of legal marijuana. Why?
Why isn't moonshining a problem anymore after alcohol was legalized again?
Because it is just so much easier and cheaper to buy it from the store. (And yes, I know moonshining does still exist, but only in states like North Carolina and around Appalachia with very strict alcohol laws, or high alcohol taxes, and just because of the culture loving to making their own liquor and love the homemade taste.).
You know what they say: If you paid tax, then it was not moonshine.
For it to be real moonshine, it must be tax free.
So that's the problem with legal marijuana, it is heavily taxed and regulated and hard for buisnesses to lower price because of banks not being able to work with them due to the fact marijuana is STILL federally illegal. And I want to clarify, we can legalize it federally and still allow states to keep it illegal if they want. The point of legalization federally is to solve all the grey areas and unclear contradicting laws, where nobody knows what the actual rules are because they could be anything - which means the government can pick and choose how they enforce the law - which leads to government corruption in the industry.
Just like how in Europe, Amsterdam, weed is still illegal under a grey area, and nobody is allowed to transport it, so the "coffee shops" have to still hide and traffic the weed to their shops "secretly" but it's not actually secretly, it's just whoever made a deal with the government and is lining police & politican pockets that gets away with transporting it to their shop to legally sell it. So basically a new buisness owner just trying to compete in the market can just be arrested on purpose by the government just by moving their product to their shop even though the shop next door has no problems transporting just because the government & police like them - even though it's technically illegal transport (even though it is legal to sell there, its just illegal to transport weed - see the weird grey area now? Where the rules contradict each other, giving the government the power to choose to ignore the law for people they like and only enforce it against those they dislike - like outsiders not in their little circle.)
We can not end illegal marijuana cultivation unless we change are weird grey-area-contradicting laws that prevent a free market from forming which allows the competition necessary to lower prices and increase convenience to the point that 9/10 people would not even bother buying black market weed.
Basically, capitalism is not allowed with the marijuana industry, because our government has made the laws a grey-area & they are contradictory which gives the government the power pick and choose who they want to enforce the law on - which incetivizes corruption - which killed the free market and the competition necessary to lower prices and increase convenience which would make black market weed obsolete.
That's the real answer to your problem of: " why is black market weed not obsolete yet?"
The answer to that is basically the same as the answer to the question:
"Why is black market alcohol/moonshine obsolete despite the fact it is way easier to make alcohol at home than it is to grow weed a home?"
Because the alcohol market is not so heavily taxed and regulated with corrupt - grey area - contradicting laws that stifle the free market to the point there is not enough competition to lower prices and increase convenience. - but legal marijuana does have that problem.
And states with strict alcohol laws and taxes do still have moonshiners and black market alcohol operations.
That's what it comes down to. You need a free market, with fair and just laws & regulations. Otherwise you'll never be able to beat the convenience and lower prices of the black market - despite the fact a legal market should by all means have no problems achieving lower prices and high convince - which has been proven by alcohol legalization being successful and by the few states with strict alcohol laws + high alcohol tax which cause moonshining & black market alcohol to still be prevalent.
We need our vets to start patrolling our country
Bullshit we need our actual military to go after these terrorists. Vets did their time. Leave them the hell alone.
freikorps
Im in.🇺🇸
Yeah its not always a just and fair solution.....innocent people will be hurt by them .
Hell yes I've been saying that all along,vets have a different mentality than soldiers of today
Very informative video/interview. I learned things I've never knew! Thank you!
I thank all of y'all for your service and dangerous jobs. Keep up the great work this is eye opening info, I think you should be on 60 min. National TV show. We the people need to know what is going on in our country. God bless y'all.
20 years ago....I accidently stumbled into a good size grow operation in the Daniel Boone National Forest in Kentucky. I was doing some remote backpacking and walked into an area and before I knew it...I had a shotgun barrel pointed at my face. Thankfully...the jackasses didn't shoot. I calmed them down and told them I was leaving...when I got over a ridge about 200 yards away. I took a GPS fix on the location and reported it to the local Sheriff. I don't know if they ever went back to check it out.
The sheriff was getting his cut.
were they mexican cartel or backwoods rednecks diversifying from illegal whiskey?
If they thought someone reporting their location could shut them down, then you would not be here, my friend.
If you called ksp they absolutely would've flown it, sheriff probably not. I'm from east ky.
@@MrRAGE-md5rjthese were just guys from the hills not cartels.
THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO AND ARE DOING AS WE SPEAK. IT BREAKS MY HEART TO SEE HOW MANY INDIVIDUALS OUT THERE ARE ON DRUGS AND LOSING THEIR MINDS, THEIR LIVES AND ALL WE DO IS RESCUE THEM TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN. SO MANY ARE LOST AND THIS IS THE REASON WHY. ITS EVERYWHERE AND IT HAS TO STOP!!!
Who better to tell this story , and bring this conversation forward to the front of our Law Maker`s. John Nores, Thank You ,Sir (humbly respectful)
He is at The TOP of service for this Great America & Us .the People . we do need to work together .It`s just wrong and selfish Not Too. Your in Our Prayers.
Thank you for being awesome! My prayers are with all of you.
This is why CA should allow archery deer hunter to carry a sidearm. Not just officers and retired officers.
For more info about this, go to California Insider Channel; they really go in depth, explain it will! Did you know there are WHOLE COUNTIES with only 2 Sheriff's deputies, and Mexican & Hmong Cartels have THOROUGHLY TAKEN OVER in extreme far Northern counties??
CA doesnt care about your right to self defense. especially not if you are a rightwing patriot like most hunters are.
@@cherylpemberton1676 yes. Very unfortunate.
I carry concealed everywhere.
I know we all want to be law abiding citizens .
But .. nobody is going to tell me I can’t carry a firearm to protect myself
Check your constitution
This is infuriating. All these people need to be removed or treated as military targets
And Stop the migrants enough already
Yep@@mikemiller659
_"The upper class keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The middle class pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are there just to scare the s777 out of the middle class. Keep 'em showing up at those jobs."_ -George Carlin
@@manictiger Sounds funny but it is not like that. The rich pays more taxes in proportion to middle or poor. Actually, were i live, most poor pay 0 taxes. zero. While using medicare, medicaid, food stamps, grants for education because they are poor, lots of benefits. AND THE FAMILIY PAYS..ZERO TAXES..
@@emergencylowmaneuvering7350
I don't. I'm not filthy rich, but by about 99% of the population's standards, I'm doing pretty dang good.
Doctors and lawyers aren't "rich". They're high-paid slaves. It's not what you earn, it's what you keep.
There was a small grow operation on my property in northern Idaho. I lived in Oregon at the time and the Idaho sheriff called me and let me know. He knew it wasn’t me but it was still pain in the ass to deal with.
I’ve also found meth labs and old camps in the national forests outside Vancouver Washington around 2005-2006.
I’m pretty sure the meth labs where locals but the marijuana grow was run by Central Americans.
And this was a very informational video. Thank you for sharing. Also was such a pleasant enjoyment to listen to professional adults speak to each other without having to use the f word. Every other word throughout the course of conversation. Please continue to offer more videos like this. Yes, I just subscribed to your channel
Sounds like we need to start a cartel hunting coalition
You would be labeled a white nationalist terrorist conspiracy theorists for wanting to help your country.
Problem is fucking california would arrest you before the cartel... let them have what they voted for
It wouldn't just be cartels. 200 Chinese a day being dropped into the Darian gap along with other countries.
Yeah I agree, however best we start with hunting the State and Fed agents because they are the ones who work for the Deep State and Globalist agendas to depopulate humanity. And Cartels will be easy to get rid of, most folks don't really like them being in USA including domestic gangs that started in USA.
For more info about this, go to California Insider Channel; they really go in depth, explain it will! Did you know there are WHOLE COUNTIES with only 2 Sheriff's deputies, and Mexican & Hmong Cartels have THOROUGHLY TAKEN OVER in extreme far Northern counties??
I can say first hand how potent those chemicals are, about 30 years ago a freak rain hit and I'd gone fishing in a river a day later. Both me and my cousin were hospitalized and were extremely sick for 5 or 6 days. I'm sure the dose was extremely diluted, but can only imagine the stuff by itself!
Did you drink the water?
@ooigfgnnkhjjnc Nope, just by touching the fishing line, fish and waders.
and you were like "Fucking weed plants!"
@@DIRTYBIRDYBEATSAs he was hitting the bong.........
@@carlinshowalter1806 Good thing it was diluted... Sheesh, somebody could have lost an eye ball 🤓
that is impressive. A game warden just took me visually thru a Vietnam/Mogadishu battle. Never new they had it so rough as game wardens.
We the American People absolutely and most positively HAVE to get these criminal cartel $₵Մꭑ off of and out of our country ... by ANY means necessary.
Post your attempt and get back to us
@@fvelazquez659 you don't want to join the hunt Valdez?
What do you want to do with the American cartels? You can’t send them to any other country.
@@User20758 no clue who Valdez is
@@fvelazquez659
Oil rig in the gulf
Same thing exists on my mountain in California.
We need the military for this.
In Washington state, the Navy Seals volunteered to go into identified cartel grows and kill/ capture/ shut down.
The Governor of Washington shut it down. Said he didn’t want to risk alarming any citizens enjoying the outdoors. 🤦🏻♂️
This problem absolutely needs the military. When I was in the Army in the early 90’s we did recon and drug seizure on the border at night. Assisted the BP. I don’t know why we ever stopped.
If you want unlimited manpower, deputize locals.
@@chezoreo1336Stupid idea.Untrained civillian men will hurt each other and or innocent outdoorsmen that were mistaken for being cartel members.
@@risky7165 I think it's a great idea. You have tons of well equipped and fairly well trained people that would love to help. Maybe deputize them and have a squad led by an agent. Or do background checks and vetting so they can access drones remotely and help border agents. There's lots of opportunity
For more info about this, go to California Insider Channel; they really go in depth, explain it will! Did you know there are WHOLE COUNTIES with only 2 Sheriff's deputies, and Mexican & Hmong Cartels have THOROUGHLY TAKEN OVER in extreme far Northern counties?
Wonderful. So much for my house in the forest.
Thank you for your service and all you do guy
This absolutely beyond interesting, THANK YOU! The level of corruption in our mountains and private lands is beyond everyday citizens comprehension. Thank you for all you have done and continue to do. However, as far as I'm concerned, put these cartels in front of a firing squad and eliminate our tax dollars paying for them to get three squares and a bed right along with child traffickers and pedophiles. America is broke and something else must be done, SARTING WITH OUR GOVERNMENT GETTING OUT OF BED WITH THE CARTELS!
Cartels are skinning and boiling people alive. We’re next 😢
When I was working for the Forest Service in Oregon in 1976, there was a part of our Ranger District that we were told not to go into. It was known that there were canabis patches in there and we did not go in there to maintain the roads. We didn't know who they were, but engineering personnel had been shot at in there. Eventually the FBI and DEA went in there and cleaned things out, but there were others elsewhere. I didn't hear much more after that, but it clearly hasn't stopped.
Yall are amazing people. The real backbone of this country.
Wow I really appreciate what this guy has done. Nobody should be buying black market weed. I had no idea. But with his emphasis on stolen water, I'd like to hear his thoughts on Nestlé.
Great episode. After I Retired I worked as a Ranger/ Wildland Firefighter for the Florida Forest Service for 5 years. I worked in the Jacksonville District which included Nassau County (NW corner of FL), Duval County (Jacksonville) and Clay County, with some assisting work done in Flagler county and Suwannee County.
Coming across homeless camps in urban wooded areas near Jacksonville, meth labs set up on state forests, and on large private lands, and grow sites was NOT uncommon. We worked with Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC), Sheriffs and Police dpts when we came across stuff like that.
Florida Forest Service is an "all incident" response agency. So Hurricane Relief, floods, fires, some basic search and rescue, even invasive species eradication, all sorts of stuff. Some of the older guys even looked for parts of the last Space Shuttle that blew up....My point is you run across some wild stuff out in the woods. And even in small wooded areas in and around large urban centers.
In 1996-1998 in the Ozark National Forest near the White Rock area there were several people dressed like what is described. Several locals seen them. Some of the jeep trails were blocked by armed men. Weird lights were seen and bizarre sounds from loud speakers were heard by locals. No one believed us.
They have been setting up infrastructure throughout this country for a long time. They are far more sophisticated in every area than you imagine. They have spread, (Infiltrated), throughout this country into every area. Many of those who appear to be just average, family, oriented, entities are either part of them. Or, of the mind-set that the Mexican American War is not over. And that the documents that Mexico was forced to sign for land transfer, were invalid and signed under duress. This is a war and we have all, (or most), been caught with our pants down. Because we thought we were all that. They are monitoring all law enforcement activities. And all military movements within the the U.S. and more. They have billions and billions to accomplish their objective. And drug use, guns and human trafficking keeps the money rolling in. Etc., etc., etc. They monitor all social media. There are several just in this one comment section, just here to flick you crap.And see what else you might reveal. But the dangerous ones, silently watch. Tracking usernames and gleaning any information useful or any potential threat. They laugh at the bravado put on by all of the mighty, keyboard warriors in here. You would be wise to study Gorilla Warfare tactics like your life depended on it, (cause, it does). And like you are 20 years behind. WAKE UP !!!
I have been way out in those areas before and had no idea how much danger I was in.
I imagine this is the cause of many disappearances in our nation’s forests.
Unlike Mexico, as Americans we have the 2nd amendment. Yes, it should be open season on all cartel members. The violence and deviant behavior of these people is NOT HUMAN. The things they do to other cartel members is beyond your wildest nightmares.
People in Mexico actually did try arming themselves into militias. They were called autodefensas. In the state of michoacan. They fought back against the knights templar cartel but soon the Mexican government disarmed them and co opted their movement and they were funded by drug money. Pretty just being another cartel
And they just murdered the last of the self defense founders last month
Their is a few self defense militas left but they are not very big anymore. They are very hidden and small in numbers
And of course their is the ezln zapatista guerrillas in chiapas. They are known for having fights with cartels in their villages
The zapatistas are cool because they are a very independent type people. They are mostly indigenous Mayan Indians. That have their own communities largely free of government control
Great podcast John! Brought back so many memories brother. I’m happy to hear the program was successful after all the work we all put in. Good to see you’re well. Some of the best times of my military career were spent raiding grows in the hills with my LEO bros, even you fish cops!
-MSG Gregory (retired) c/s Lurch
I agree, but you should ask him to cite case examples. I've never heard of a LEO being injured by a cartel member protecting a grow site and refusing to give up. How many times has it happened and over how many years, in what state and locale.
You'd be surprised how much is kept quiet between agencies. You are naive.
I am glad this is getting some attention. Growing up in Southern California, I was taught by my family to be conservation minded. That being said, I remember in the mid to late 90s going out on patrols with units of 1stMardiv to identify and dismantle illegal grows .We did come across various types of booby traps and early warning systems. There were always dogs as well.No contact though because I don’t think they wanted the smoke with that many Marines. Dismantling the grow sites was a little different each time. Would commonly hear the discharge of weapons from the growers after they thought they were a safe distance from our element. Maybe warning other growers? This was very informative, but it made me think of those experiences, the threat, they posed, and the early years, in which these type of ops were happening. Turned out to be excellent training.
I have lived my entire life in Humboldt County, CA. It was worse before legalisation in the state, but it is definitely still an issue. From 1995 to 2018 I was in the fire service. I did wild land firefighting, as well as hazmat. Basically every watershed has some degree of pollution (herbicides, pesticides, fungicides, diesel, household garbage…). I attended a presentation in Sacramento in 2016 with a MET agent, they’re doing good work out there.
Yes Sir… I bought and read his book …👍🏼
Thank Y’all For Y’all’s Service In Securing Our Country And Future of America
Lots of Respect for Game Wardens. They do a great job and people don’t understand how important their work in conservation and Law enforcement is to all of us , not just hunters and fishermen, all of us. And my great love of Game Wardens for stopping poachers who are scum !
Respect for what ? Risking their lives for nothing ?
Who are they fighting ? Cartels?
Dont be so stupid.
I agree 👍 💯. Much respect 🙏