'Shocking' facts about the Bible with Rev Professor John Barton
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- We discuss his brilliant new book: A History of the Bible: The Book and Its Faiths
www.amazon.co.uk/History-Bibl...
John Barton FBA is a British Anglican priest and biblical scholar. From 1991 to 2014, he was the Professor of the Interpretation of Holy Scripture at the University of Oxford and a Fellow of Oriel College. In addition to his academic career, he has been an ordained and serving priest in the Church of England since 1973.
His research interests and extensive publications have been in the areas of the Old Testament prophets, the biblical canon, biblical interpretation, and Old Testament theology. Barton is a foreign member of the Norwegian Academy of Science and Letters and has been a Fellow of the British Academy since 2007.
Paul is getting great guests on, really good channel. Very lucky and privileged to have a great academic leading the way in this field
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can't wait for prof ehrman's turn and perhaps prof zakir naik who is a great source of comparative religious study 🙏
@@BloggingTheology i just wonder why have i not yet heard second names of Mark, John, luke and methew. Some say they are anonymous writers. How far is that true ? because it just takeout the foundation.
@@dune2024 zakir naik? you really are a fool. he's a coward that runs away from David Wood and Sam Shamoun. I would love to see Sam and Dave debate these 2 idiots. they would bury them in one sentence.
What a lovely, open, soft spoken scholar
There is nothing healthier for society than a honest unbiased intellect. Not only in theology and religious scholarship.. In general. I enjoyed this chat of yours.
Especially when no one is to be hung for such honest unbiased intellectual discussion in any country.
This man Paul is bringing such a verse knowledge of the Bible, Quaran, hadiths and religion to us for free.
I encourage us all to cintribute to this channel to produce more material ....
Watching any episode of this channel is like reading a book or books at a go.
You Paul only Allah will reward you.
Kind regards
Dear brother Paul,
Your discussions increased my love and respect towards Isa (alaihi salaam).
May Allah bless you for your efforts.
As salamu aleykum, My father recommended this channel. I really enjoy your content and want to encourage you to keep up the good work!
What a humble and pleasant human being: Salam Mr. Barton, thank you so much brother Paul for inviting such a wonderful human being.
well done paul
getting these type of caliber scholars is good for us
Cos you are thirsty of acknowledgements from Christians, even by twisting their words or from those like Judas??
Well, we have many of them... take them. You've been trying for 1400 years but still fail, even with the help of the devil 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@joung3141
So..how dis Judas died
Hanged or Fell headlog
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If you witness somebody committing suicide, you would see him hanged.
Other witnesses may see him after finding him a few days later rotten and swollen, decomposed, dropped and disintegrate on the ground.
Both witnesses are correct and accepted as truth in case you are all asked to testify in court.
@@joung3141 cant be both..
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If its in the modern court of Law..it will be thrown out as fabrication.
Paul, from the background it looks like you are both sitting on either side of a very long bookcase 😁
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Sometimes I get caught up trying to see what books are lying on the shelves in interviews ... that could be a Blogging Theology programme in itself 👍🏽
They are in the same room.
..looks almost like...
I am also wondering if Rev Paul, who amazes me, has had access to Ahmad Deedat’s Debates with Christian scholars two three decades ago. Every honest scholar of Bible seems to be saying now what Deedat was saying then. Thank you! The honour of the hour belongs to you now!
@@falconswoops1334 unification of what?
@@falconswoops1334 First of all let me say that I'm an Arab. Secondly, you clearly don't know what you're talking about in terms of the Language nor the Islamic religion or else you'd know one of the very first verses of the Qur'an (which is of course in Arabic), which ultimately makes you an ignorant of what you claim to understand.
Chapter 112 Absoluteness سورة الإخلاص
In the name of of Allah the Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ. قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; اللَّهُ الصَّمَدُ
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ
And there is none like unto Him. وَلَمْ يَكُنْ لَهُ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌ
Thirdly, there's no kinds of Qur'an, so that you can claim someone has his own kind, Qur'an doesn't have versions unlike the Bible. There's one Qur'an and it's written in Arabic!
Advice (from someone that has Arabic as his first language), Go back to your sources or whatever you're reading in regards to the Arabic language, throw it all in the bin. Get a reliable Source to read from, before you make a fool out of yourself again!
Brother Paul i cannot believe i missed this beautiful discussion, until now that i saw your most recent post you meeting reverend John Barton. Masha'Allah brother Paul what a an incredible respected individual he is, Salahudeen i love his good manners when he spoke to you, very calm, reserved and humble. I'm listening to this beautiful discussion as I'm writing.
Amazing, Eatch time 1 listen to PAUL I learn from his discussion with his GUESTS. Thank you SIR for your work .we appreciate the knowledge you give us.may ALLAH BLESS YOU. جزاك الله خيرا
Thank you Brother Paul a very pleasant discussion again keep them coming much appreciated.
Amazing man meets a great man , always truth wins.... Thanks for this interview... 👍🏻🇵🇸👌
Glad you enjoyed it
@@BloggingTheology always i enjoy Pauls wise programs and his interviews.. Thanks 🌿👍🏻
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Professor John Barton seems to be a very nice and smart man . I am not sure how he is still Christian knowing what he knows about the bible and history of Christianity. Even the
resurrection, that he still believes in , he thinks " it can be not true." I found this very interesting for a man to give up his eternal life for such false believe.
Thank you so much Paul for anther great interview.
Many thanks Mr. Paul for the academic discussion entertainment. Already some Christian friends have started "Takfir" Mr. John Barton right way. Please keep doing the good work. Peace.
Thank you Paul for your big efforts and interesting videos. You do a great work by inviting such great scholars. Nice continuation. Your fun from Morocco.
Loving the Good Scholars you are bringing on 👍🏼
Must say, John's shelf game is A1. I hope 'we' can all learn from him!
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Can you some day give a tour of your library Paul? And give us advice about how to preserve books for long term in library?
I was wondering if this book worth buying. I think I get my answer.
Cannot wait to purchase!!
Grateful sir! Vital work! A magnum opus ... your efforts be rewarded ان ساء الله
Thanks Paul for bringing scholarship to laypeople.
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Yes Paul is giving a great gift to everyone and service to Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta’ala
lovely conversation br Paul, you were so respectful towards your guest and slowly yet professionally drew him out, towards the end it ended up being a lovely conversation between two highly knowledgeable individuals and lay people like me learnt a lot from this interaction, puts the NT in a whole new light, does not seem to be the inspired word of God let alone the literal word of God as some fundamental ill educated christians claim, may Allah keep you safe and humble you are a treasure
Thank you Paul AMAZING interview :)
I hope you can get Francesca Stavrakopoulou on your show at some point.
You're getting some good names under your belt Paul!
As salamu aleykum wa rahmatuLlah wa baarakatuh ! Before I started the video, I will said you, jazaka الله kheira, may الله give you protect you, you are a kheir for muslimin. Al hamdulillah
Hey man, I'm a big fan of what you do. I really wanted to know, can you make a video on all the highly accredited books you read surrounding religion especially Islam. Thank you
Paul this is probably one of the most important videos the christian and muslim world needed to hear...
Some of these videos are your opus magnum...
Really fantastic...ive been sharing like wild fire
Beautifully done!
I just bought the book after watching this
Interesting discussion..
Great book, great interview, and great channel on CZcams
These are the people that deserve publicity and attention, not the rubbishy life details of celebs.
i agree!
very good interview and very honest analysis of the Bible
Salaam alikoum brother Paul, brilliant example of Muslim you are,macha Allah
Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) said: "Beware of suspicion. Suspicion is the most untrue speech. Do not spy and do not eavesdrop. Do not compete with each other [maliciously] and do not envy each other and do not hate each other and do not shun each other. Be slaves of Allah, brothers." [Imam Malik]
All prohifit are Jewish which religion of Mohammad
@@dayanandg8211 Peace, if you have a chance give the Qur'an a read.
@@tarek399 Quran is copy paste by Bible Jewish book
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Just let these Muslim's believe in whatever......
Arabs used to worship Pharaohs and fake gods of Egypt.
The Sun God 'Ra'.
Now they worship another pagan allah of the darkness of the moon and star originated from the City of Petra in Jordan.
Pagan Black stone kisser.
@@dayanandg8211 is adam, noah, lot pbuh jewish? Even abraham is not jew.
Saw it 2nd time prompted by Paul Williams comment to mine on harsh words used in criticising such as 'lies' and 'forgeries'. This interview is rich with gems. On pressing by PW Prof Barton is recognising that Jesus was special as he was so close to God. ie Jesus is not fake nor was he faking. This is a must book to read and I am pleased to report that it is in our public library to borrow and read. May God bless us and keep us in gaining knowledge about him. See Surah 20/114.
Paul you've got as much knowledge as all of these scholars you've invited.
thanks but no, I haven't.
23:27 some brutal honesty from Barton on how the Gospel of John is essentially a work of fiction, and that ordinary Christians are being deceived by the church.
Shocking
This is a disgusting and BASELESS claim. It’s based entirely on the fact John’s narrative differs, which it doesn’t whatsoever. John was called the “beloved apostle” because Jesus and the Holy Spirit gave him memory of the MOST IMPORTANT things Jesus said concerning the Kingdom of Heaven. John was given THE Revelation!
@@joshuacooper9946 yea no doubt THE john was a beloved apostle. The book of john however is a book of fiction. I automatically assume a persons intelligence level when they say the book of John is "accurate". Even according to Bart Ehrman, THE LEADING scholar in the new testament studies, the book of John is not accurate. Every scholar worth their salt knows this. Please stop speaking with emotions and do a little research. I could go on and on about how he bible has been changed. But what do I know? I'm just a muslim so go and read biblical scholars so you get some affirmation. Your own scholars would disagree with you.
@@hamzatariq4037 “I automatically assume a person’s intelligence level when-“ let me stop you right there, the arrogance in the tone of your speech is extremely unpleasant. You say what do I know? Nothing. Who are these scholars you claim are “my scholars”? Nobody. Nothing.
“(For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, Because our days upon earth are a shadow:)”
Job 8:9 KJV
Here, read the Bible for once in your life:
“your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.”
1 Corinthians 2:4 KJV
“The wise men shall be put to shame; they shall be dismayed and taken; behold, they have rejected the word of the Lord, so what wisdom is in them?”
Jeremiah 8:9 KJV
For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.” Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.
1 Corinthians 1:18:21
@pk Amponn the quran does not mention the new testament lmao
Noticed that Luke, Mark & Mathew were mentioned.
I think it would be nice if you could do a review of what Islam said about the 12 disciples of Jesus.
Hey Paul- you look just lovely today. White color looks great on you.. I know its not important..well to me I guess now.. anyway great conversation with professor Barton. Thanks for suck a great knowledge.
We should share his videos I only known couple of weeks ago .
How great you are , Paul . I love you and your vedios . How much is this book ? A History of the Bible ?
This is such an important discussion about Christianity and it’s holy bible and
Christians can’t comment on this .. it’s embarrassingly dead silence from them
Dear Paul
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"You can have the synoptic Jesus or the Johanine Jesus but it's very difficult to combine the two"
The synoptic Jesus is a prophet of God, and the Johanine Jesus is promoted to the status of God. Therefore according to the Bible, Jesus is the prophet of himself, and at the same time, the God of himself. Go figure!
@@cafeespresso99 “And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”
Matthew 28:18 KJV
Yeah, a mere prophet... sure. Keep deceiving yourself.
@@joshuacooper9946 "A mere prophet"; Are you belittling the Prophets? Please respect for them. They were the best of the people at the time God sent them to. From the reference Matthew 28:18 you quoted, what is there to be deceived about? Since power had to be given to Isa/Jesus (pbuh), The Giver of the power has to be God, The Receiver a Prophet. Isa/Jesus (pbuh) couldn't have made it clearer. Also its odd that "All power in Heaven and Earth" had been given to him, yet in the Garden of Gethsemane he is having to beg God to save him? What's the matter with the Bible? So many contradictions!
@@cafeespresso99 if he’s prophet of god , then this fool aka Paul Williams did a video with rabbi tovia singer where viewer asked about Daniel 7:13-14. The rabbi literally said it’s messianic and Jesus didn’t fulfilled anything. It clearly shows that Islam is demonic(obviously demonic). Can you give me one reason why do you call Jesus as messiah??
@@nghaider Do you not know of the power of God?
Do you not know that even his weakness is stronger than the strength of men?
“Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.”
1 Corinthians 1:25 KJV
Yes, even when Jesus seemed weak, he was strong.
“For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; And the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me. When I wept, and chastened my soul with fasting, That was to my reproach. I made sackcloth also my garment; And I became a proverb to them. They that sit in the gate speak against me; And I was the song of the drunkards. But as for me, my prayer Is unto thee, O LORD, in an acceptable time: O God, in the multitude of thy mercy Hear me, in the truth of thy salvation. Deliver me out of the mire, and let me not sink: Let me be delivered from them that hate me, and out of the deep waters. Let not the waterflood overflow me, neither let the deep swallow me up, And let not the pit shut her mouth upon me. Hear me, O LORD; for thy lovingkindness is good: Turn unto me according to the multitude of thy tender mercies. And hide not thy face from thy servant; For I am in trouble: Hear me speedily. Draw nigh unto my soul, and redeem it: Deliver me because of mine enemies. Thou hast known my reproach, and my shame, and my dishonour: Mine adversaries are all before thee. Reproach hath broken my heart; and I am full of heaviness: And I looked for some to take pity, but there was none; And for comforters, but I found none. They gave me also gall for my meat; And in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.”
Psalm 69:9-21 KJV
Notice that last part? Yeah, you guessed it, prophecy.
“they gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.”
Matthew 27:34 KJV
Thanks
Mr Paul, can you add subtittle for this video? Thanks
I wish people would keep comments to the topics these videos are insightful and educational and not sound bites.. this is not a forum to belittle opposing religious positions.
@pk Amponn. Well yes. That what Allah saya and the meaning and context must be understood. But Allah also says that for us mere human we are not allowed to belittle other people's faith
@@michrohm well thats mean you can attack other relligion even killed it but if you are attacted by other than you say yours is yours mine is mine
@pk Amponn where does it say Christians are lower than pigs??and do respect idols and idol worship,is that not categorically against biblical teaching??
@@valerossi823 you said YOU means me in this context. Well...I don't attact other people from different faith because it is not allowed
@@michrohm actually my meaning of attack is just like when you play chees or football in the context of disscusion and not to hurt each other.. its normal in search of truth
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Nice going, brother Paul!!
Alhamdulillah!!! 😊
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Extremely proud of Hadith Science 😎😎
I'm surprised iv not seen Paul on other Dawah channels like Hamzas Den, SCDawah, DawahWise and others.
you are a treat
Useful books and interview with the author. This should lead to better understanding of Christianity. Again the Revised New Jerusalem Bible - The Study Bible - Study Edition (2019) comes up. In a Bible study group we always said a prayer before we started reading and had discussions. Here is that prayer (author unknown): "Merciful God, anoint me with your Holy Spirit. As I read your Word, let me hear your voice speaking to me within. Give me wisdom to understand your message to me. Let your Word be the joy of my heart and the light of my feet. Give me strength to build my life on your Word. May I rejoice in the blessedness and hearing your Word and keeping it. Speak, Lord, your servant is listening. Thank you, Jesus. Praise you Jesus, Amen". Print out this prayer and stick it to the inside cover of your Bible.
It is really sad when God whom the trinatarian Christians call the father is so forgotten and pushed aside in favor of Jesus. The prayers and thank yous are directed toward Jesus as if ‘the father’ is just a cheerleader in the background. Jesus to the Trinitarian Christians is in front and center and ‘the father’ is in the retirement home. Satan has been working real hard to blind the eyes of people to turn away from the god of Jesus, the true god, and focus on a created human being who ate food answered the call of nature and experience death. The problem is they are so blind to the truth that they do not realize their folly and count themselves among the righteous.
@@BenM61 Interesting comment. Thanks. Have you read "Mere Christianity' by C S Lewis ? It is on you tube as a free to read/hear audio book - allow about 6 hours. Hardcopies are going for £35. He comments, among other things; that if a formula of Christianity works for you, you follow it. Let others follow a different formula if they wished but don't force anyone. I have no problem with Unitarianism. In fact in some prayers, Unitarian approach is made. Trinitarian is flexible. Bishop Robert Barron calls it as a premier approach. Pope Francis's message goes even further in his Fratelli Tutti (Human fraternity and Social friendship) to bring another dimension in our faith journey. Praise God. As-salamu Alaykum.
@@Chandransingham Wa alaikum assalam. No I haven’t read Mere Christianity. Maybe sometime in the near future. Peace.
Interesting channel
I wish there is time segment for our revision
Masha Allah ... I am sure Allah swt will out u with the great scholars who served Islam, the truth and humanity.... ❤
Matthew was written around 40 CE initially in Hebrew, addressing mainly Jews who had become Christians. Mark wrote with gentiles as his audience in mind with input from both Peter and Paul. That is why there are differences.
Most scholars now believe Mark was written first and after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE, Matthew after 75 CE, Luke after 80 CE and John well after 100 CE.
i would love to see you discuss anything with dr zakir naik..
4 Gospels, four different perspectives. Yoan (John) is the eagle having a contemplative view of Messiah of his origin : In a beginning same start in Genesis (Bereshit, In a beginning)... "The Dabar was toward the Elohim and an Elohim was the Dabar" , a true translation open the orthodox perspective... The original language can be attenuated in weak translation... which confuses those unable to comprehend it...
Interesting discussion and I think you articulated intelligently many of the questions I would like to ask.
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Christians: 😭😭😭😭
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@@Muslim_1357 هههه ايوا
@@user-kr3vd4xg5t احسن ناس😂
First impression: did you both air in the same room? 😆
Alright, continue watching the video now.
Almost!
Great
John barton is a good man
Brother Paul, is there any chance to know more about the life and fate of the Gospel writers. Why Paul the Tarsus was beheaded? 🤔
Not possible as the actual authors of the gospels of Mark, Matthew, Luke + John are really unknown.
I wonder the gap between Jesus' life and the gospels rendering (some forty to sixty years later). Much happened in that time which includes the Jewish wars, the defense of Jerusalem by both Jews and Idumeans (who had been circumcized into Judea in 140 BC) against the Romans? How did those events (and more: and in reaction to other gospels/letters of Paul) affect the writers 'telling' the biography of Jesus? (And the separation of the first rendering from the final rendering in Canonization in 467 (over 350 years later)?
Dear Paul please add urdu subtitles to your videos so i can recommend it to urdu speaking friends.
Thanks
I will try my best
and one thing if I may ask..you don't smile, why? But you got a great smile when you do...Yes..
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Suggestion: thanks for your great vidios can you please try to make comparison on the view of Islam and Christianity over the rights of women, ( as a doughter, as a wife, and as mother).
Alhamdulillah... Sebarkan Islam di Eropa... Prof. John ..👍
Frankly, I'm in the opinion that none of Jesus's disciples ever thought that he was god or son of god . The gospels in Christians' hands could never be fully written by them.
Edit : I liked your insistence on the word "forgery " :)
@pk Amponn
Confirms what is in common between the two scriptures, no more no less
@pk Amponn Christians know more about the Qur’an than Muslims.
@pk Amponn The verse says "the Scripture" not the Bible. I don't think the Bible we hold in our hand today existed then.
@@bngr_bngr I don't think so. To date I haven't met a single Christian who can quote me a single verse from the Quran. The lay Christian doesn't even know the Bible, let alone expecting them to know the Quran. Our "Mini Deedat" is running rings around them.
A biased opinion from unbeliever following Satan. Luke 1:33
And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no
Fascinating stuff less his ideas regarding slavery and homosexuality. I have the large doorstop you mentioned that he wrote. I recall that it does not seem Trinitarian at all?
Time of Writing. Subscriptions, appearing at the end of Matthew’s Gospel in numerous manuscripts (all being later than the tenth century C.E.), say that the account was written about the eighth year after Christ’s ascension (c. 41 C.E.). This would not be at variance with internal evidence. The fact that no reference is made to the fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy respecting Jerusalem’s destruction would point to a time of composition prior to 70 C.E. (Mt 5:35; 24:16) And the expression “to this very day” (27:8; 28:15) indicates a lapse of some time between the events considered and the time of writing.
Half a dozen have given you thumbs down!!! I dont know why. Maybe they dont want the truth or they cannot handle the truth.
Is it in dutch langua to ?
Helo Paul
Assalamu alaikum
Pls do a vlog on prophet Abraham pbuh sacrifice proof of is that isaac or ismail
both have almost identical background!
the audio needs refinement
can't hear prof barton's voice
It's a bit puzzling that the professor, knowing so well what he does, can still maintain his faith. How can you be so convinced about the flaws of a scripture as to write quite a big book about those flaws and yet base your beliefs on that same scripture?
He maintains a personal belief in the resurrection of Jesus. But he does not drive it so far as to claim absolute certainty.
@@77goanywhere Indeed, if it is difficult "to claim absolute certainty" about the death of Jesus by crucifixion then it follows that it must be difficult "to claim absolute certainty" about the subsequent resurrection. Since there was no certain, certified death of Jesus on the cross it then logically follows that there can be no absolute certainty about his post crucifixion resurrection.
Time and Place of Composition. According to ancient tradition, Mark’s Gospel was first made public in Rome, this being the testimony of such early writers as Clement, Eusebius, and Jerome. Mark was in Rome during Paul’s first imprisonment there. (Col 4:10; Phm 1, 23, 24) Thereafter he was with Peter in Babylon. (1Pe 5:13) Then, during Paul’s second imprisonment in Rome, Paul asked that Timothy come soon and bring Mark with him. (2Ti 4:11) Probably Mark did then return to Rome. Since no mention is made of Jerusalem’s destruction in fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy, Mark must have compiled his account before that event in 70 C.E. His presence in Rome at least once, and likely twice, during the years 60-65 C.E. suggests that Mark may have completed his Gospel there sometime during those years
Well done paul. John maybe a great scholar but not the best interviewee. You kept it going really well
Shamounian made a video about you Brother Paul and I told him better to debate him and He replied, I already challenge Paul to debate. So can you please make a video on his views or to debate.
no please no or you will lose your channel
@Faisal Siraj okey I'll answer you.. but you must answere my question too. deal?
Is John connected to a different group of devotees? You're quote "I am the way the truth and the life " seems very similar to Horus "I am the way, the Truth and the Light" (or life)...sorry, can't remember...then using the name Mary, which in Ancient Egyptian means 'darling, beloved' and is usually a title or invocation to the Goddess Isis. Presumably his mothers name would be Miriam ? Also Jesus quoting that psalm "I say to you ,you are all Gods' ...were there cults in that region similar to something like Vajrayana Buddhism ...you meditate/visualise a God, merge with it and/or become it? I thought Hadrian referring to the devotees of the God Serapis as Christians quite strange...but would that just mean anointed ones or something? Or was there really a connection between these groups?
Egyptian spiritually is shrouded in so much mystery also with so many modern day armchair researchers(myself included) it would be hard to find it’s essence or if Horus said that, I have heard a somewhat similar saying but not that similar. at best I can conclude that kemet had revelation of the truth at one point but through introduction of man made concepts diversely got confused and lost in seeking glory of self rather than glory of the creator. Upon fairly examining the equivalences many draw from other religions to Christian traditions I find them not very convincing. Thanks 🙏
Muhammad was never a true prophet.
I say that because, a true prophet must receive a direct call from God, especially if he is to be the founder of a religion.
Muhammad did not receive a direct call from God.
Let's start from the beginning.
Muhammad was one day meditating in the cave, a spirit visited him, pressed his chest tightly such that, he thought he was going to die. But on each occasion, Muhammad told the spirit he was illiterate and couldn't read.
After this encounter with the spirit in the cave, Muhammad thought he had been visited by a DEMON and ran to his wife in fear. He said to Khadija, his wife, 'cover me' she covered him until his fear was over.
Muhammad related what had transpired in the cave to his wife and said, 'O Khadija, what is wrong with me? What has happened to me? I am afraid for myself! However, Khadija and on the advice of lbn Neafal her cousin managed to convince Muhammad that the spirit was Gabriel.
But the spirit did not introduce itself as The Angel Gabriel.
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It is of great importance to identify the SPIRIT who squeezed Muhammad at the cave of Hira near Mecca.
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Was the spirit really The Angel Gabriel?
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The answer is absolutely NO!
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1) Had the spirit been The Angel Gabriel, he would have calmed Muhammad and relieved his fear. But the spirit left him in extreme distress. The Angel Gabriel appeared to many people before his alleged visit to Muhammad and each time the first thing he did was to allay that person's fear.
i. When The Angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel, he was afraid but The Angel Gabriel touched him. The Angel Gabriel did not squeeze him or cause him pain, The Angel Gabriel only touched him (Daniel 8:16-18).
ii. The Angel Gabriel also appeared to Zachariah father of John the Baptist who is called Yahya in the Qur'an he identified himself and said to Zachariah : Do not be afraid, Zacharia ...... I am Angel Gabriel that stand in the presence of God (Luke 1:13-19)
iii. The Angel Gabriel appeared to Mary, MOTHER of JESUS CHRIST our Lord.
Mary was scared but The Angel Gabriel said to her: Do not be afraid, Mary (Luke 1:30)
2) Had the spirit been The Angel Gabriel, he would not have contradicted his former revelations. Six hundred (600) years before the birth of Muhammad, the REAL Angel Gabriel said to Mary that she would bear a child who will be the Son of God: The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God (Luke 1:35).
But the spirit which appeared to Muhammad told him JESUS was not the son of God:... The Christians call Christ the son of Allah .... Allah's curse be on them (Sura 9:30).
If; the spirit that appeared to Muhammad was The Angel Gabriel, it would not have said JESUS was not the son of God.
That would make the Angel Gabriel a liar would it not?
So would it really have been the Angel Gabriel that appeared in the cave?
3) Had the spirit been Gabriel. He would have taught Muhammad to read and write.
The Qur'an declares that Allah taught JESUS how to write: "'And Allah will teach him the book and wisdom, the Torah and the gospel" (Sura 3:48).
The famous Qur'an Commentator ibn Kathir in his exposition of the Qur'an (vol.1 p.344) says:
'The book mentioned here means write. We would expect that Mohammed, who calls himself the seal of the prophets, would be taught to read and write.
The spirit said in his revelation to Muhammad Read: and thy lord the most Bounteous, who teaches by the pen, teacheth man that which he know not (Sura 96:3-4).
The question is if God teaches man that which he know not by the pen, why did he not teach Muhammad (the 'senior prophet) how to read and write instead of leaving him illiterate all his life?
4) We learn from Islamic tradition that on several occasions when Muhammad saw the spirit, he would be so frightened he would run home to his wife and ask her to cover him with clothes:
"I was called again and raised my head, and there on the Throne in the open atmosphere he, i.e. Gabriel (peace be upon him) was sitting. I began to tremble on account of fear. I came to Khadija and said: Wrap me up.
They wrapped me up and threw water on me..." (Sahih Muslim book 1 ch.74 no.307 p.100. Narrated by Jabir)
At other times, Muhammad experienced some strange physical symptoms. From Hadith Mishkat, we learn that, sometimes he would shrive and swoon, roar like a camel and white foamy saliva would come from his mouth (Hadith Mishkat iv p.359).
Sometimes when he receive revelation(s) there was the sound like the buzzing of bees near his face (source: Umar Ibnu'l Khattab), while at other times, he felt a tremendous headache.
Muhammad once said: "At times it comes to me like the ringing of a bell and that is most severe for me... and at time an Angel in the form of a human being comes to me... (Sahih Muslim vol.4 book 28 no.5765-5767 p.1248)
However, it is unclear why Mohammed later said, "...The bell is the musical instrument of Satan." Sahih Muslim vol.3 book 22 no.5279, also Abu Dawud vol.2 no.2548 -2550
According Ahmad b. Hanbal, "He became distressed, foaming at the mouth and closing his eyes. At times he snorted like a young camel (Ahmad b. Hanbal I, 34, 464, vi.163). This gave rise to the allegation in certain quarters Muhammad was epileptic.
Prophet Muhammad according to 'Amr Ibn Sharhabil, mentioned to his wife, Khadija, that he feared he was possessed by demons and wondered whether others consider him possessed [i.e. evil spirits] (source: pfanoter 1910:345).
These statements about the physical symptoms exhibited by Muhammad when he saw the spirit were not made by strangers, non Muslims or people who did not know him.
These statements were made by Aisha, Muhammad's favourite wife, relatives and his close followers who strongly believed that he was the seal of the prophets.
All these people happened to be very close to Muhammad, whom knew the alleged prophet well!
Yet when the same angel Gabriel visited Daniel, Zachariah and even Mary, none of them had convulsions with foam coming from their mouths.
Neither did they hear the sounds of bells ringing nor the buzzing of bees near their faces. They did not roar like a camel or swoon, etc.
Over time Muhammad started having some doubts about the revelations he received from the spirit.
Allah (God) directed Muhammad to check the truth from the 'Book:'
If thou wert in doubt as to what we have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the book from before thee (Sura Yunus 10:94).
The 'book' mentioned in this verse is the Holy Bible.
If Muhammad were a learned man, he would have known what the Holy Bible says concerning Satan:
'And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light'.
(2 Corinthians 11:14)
Mohammed was not only deceived then, but the hadiths record that later he was under an evil spell too. (Bukhari vol.4 book 53 chapter 34 and vol.4 no.400 p.267)
(Article credited to Dr Labib).
Muhammads own testimony thought it was DEMONIC.
DEMONIC.
IBN Ishaq 106, al Tabari vol 6, 7071.
He was a victim of delusion and magic spells and also wanted to kill himself and blamed the devil for teaching him.
Bukhari 3175, 5765
Bukhari 5158
Muslim 3480, 3481
Ibn Ishaq 106; Bukhari 6982
Ibn Ishaq 165-7
Ibn Sa'd vol 1, 236-9
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The Holy Bible tells us:
'A boy possessed by the Devil, foams at the mouth.'
Luke 9 : 38-43
38 A man in the crowd called out, 'Teacher, I beg you to look at my son, for he is my only child. 39 A spirit seizes him and he suddenly screams; it throws him into convulsions so that he foams at the mouth. It scarcely ever leaves him and is destroying him. 40 I begged your disciples to drive it out, but they could not.' 41 'O unbelieving and perverse generation,' Jesus replied, 'how long shall I stay with you and put up with you? Bring your son here.' 42 Even while the boy was coming, the demon threw him to the ground in a convulsion. But Jesus rebuked the evil spirit, healed the boy and gave him back to his father. 43 And they were all amazed at the greatness of God. While everyone was marveling at all that Jesus did,
Amen.
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'Foamy saliva from Muhammads mouth.'
The Qur'an tells us:
They wrapped me up and threw water on me..." (Sahih Muslim book 1 ch.74 no.307 p.100. Narrated by Jabir)
At other times, Muhammad experienced some strange physical symptoms. From Hadith Mishkat, we learn that, sometimes he would shrive and swoon, roar like a camel and white foamy saliva would come from his mouth (Hadith Mishkat iv p.359).
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Muhammad had Foam at the mouth.
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Yet when the same angel Gabriel visited Daniel, Zachariah and even Mary, none of them had convulsions with foam coming from their mouths.
Do these signs not tell Muslims the truth or are you all truly in denial?
You have all been misguided for so long.
Peace be unto you.
Repent fellow humans.
Sometimes Satan will use your family, your friends and other Muslims to deny you the love of JESUS CHRIST.
While truth can be painful, I do not mean to offend; my hope is that all muslims will find the truth and embrace JESUS wholeheartedly - not thru Islam but thru the teachings of the HOLY BIBLE - Only thru JESUS CHRIST can you walk the path towards the Kingdom of Heaven.
Amen
Peace be unto you all.
Only thru JESUS CHRIST can you walk the path towards the Kingdom of Heaven.
Amen
Matthew sees himself as (faithfully) CLARIFYING what Mark said. It's not about correcting an error. He's addressing/ anticipating questions that believers would ask.
e.g. Mark says that Jesus was baptised.
A believer reading Mark might ask "Wait.. does that mean that Jesus was a sinner...?:"
Well, no, Mark doesn't say that at all... but Matthew looks to head off those ... mistaken... questions in advance by having John and Jesus discuss it.
No text of any sort has ever or will ever be 100% explicitly clear. ALL text is a summary and can be misunderstood. This is why lawyers exist.
As for John...
The author of John has been meditating on Jesus' life for decades, in prayerful conversation with him, thinking about what he said and did.
I think the sayings are not so much 'made up' (out of thin air) ... as paraphrasing what the author understands to be Jesus' message.
Personally, I trust that John has done that well and deeply captures Jesus' self-image and significance.
@PK Amponn No the phrophet never belittled other religions. And no again the phrophet never said Christians are lower than pigs in Surah 98:6.
Amazing imput Paul
Good discussion but my english so bad poor me !
I m translating the archeology book of the historical Messiah; called " The Arabian Messiah" from Dr Fadel Al Rubaiee
Arabian Messiah. I understood that there's only true Messiah and Fake Messiah. For Muslims Esa AH (Jesus) is the true Messiah and he will bring the peace to the world on his second coming.
@@preegear8970 J in Jesus , is from the latinized Yesus ...J is pronounced Y in latin.
The suffix US / OS is from the greek grammar (nominative)
Jesus is Isaa..peace be upon Him and on His blessed Mother
@@richdelarby9387 Yes sir.Isaa (AH) is the true messiah for us. So, who is Arabian Messiah?
@@preegear8970 The Messiah...all the OT & OT realm occured in Arabia. Hebrews were just a south arabian tribe.
@@richdelarby9387 I'm afraid that Jews, especially Israel Zionist Jews cannot accept if they are only a tribe of Arabian tribes.
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Great talk as usual but far too many adverts ! Interrupt and destroys the theme to a degree
sorry!
There are a few apologists and missionaries leaving disgusting ( in their own words ) comments. To these deceitful people all I can say is,
Christianity is GOOD business. The amount of money donated by foolish well wishers pay the salary of many apologists and missionaries. Thats why these deceitful people do their dirty work.
But Alhamdulillah many thousands of these people have reverted to Islam as they could no longer cling to falsehood and opted for the truth even when it means forsaking their salaries, families and friends.
@pk Amponn
I think you read the Bible about deception by god
Jeremeih 20:7
@pk Amponn Thessalonian chapter 2 verse 11 &. 12, Christian god makes them believe a lies
Samuel 15:11 God regretted making Saul a king
Genesis 6:6 God makes mistake creating human beings
@pk Amponn you are obviously loony,if you cannot fathom something,then don't fault substance,ill let you figure out yourself,I wish no more Conversation with you
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The Diatessaron? Isn't that what Thanos is looking for?
Blogging theology why you debate to cp you get good answer for your any doubt
Shocking facts about the Qur'ān; may offer balance to this video!
Maybe it would go against his beliefs.
The only shocking facts about the HOLY QURAN is that it is illuminating the world with its glory for 1400 years & proving its divine origin since then.
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