I picked up mine Friday 12 Jun as well, the grey one and it looks fantastic in person. Went for a ride straight from the dealership, all day and BTW, you just can't keep it under 4k rpm at 100kph on the highway. Some random guys at the Robo pie shop noted how great it sounded, I said, "yeah, picked it up from the dealer this morning, the exhaust is stock, it sounds spot-on". I worked the thing up and down the rev range, doing my best not to keep it too high for long periods as there was no way I was sitting at 70kph on 110 motorway - even if it was just for a relative short distance. I can say, on tarmac in the dry (which is all I've done so far), the tyres are very good. Factory ride-away suspension settings are way too hard (and I'm a little heavier than your). I also will need to check the sag and then set the preload for my weight. It's a great fun bike, loving the roll-on throttle response at any speed and one thing which I'm loving - it carries its weight really really well as it doesn't feel top-heavy at all. Hitting some easy gravel tomorrow, can't wait!
@@florme6494 You get the feel of the throttle, just control the bike with the correct balance of throttle and clutch, be in the friction zone and life is good. I haven't yet done any gnarly offroad stuff but I suspect if you remain vigilant in the friction zone things will work out just fine.
Yeah! CFMOTO rules. I also have a quite similar situation. I wanted to buy my first adv bike and these two were the two main choices for me. Either it was a CRF300L or the CFMOTO 450MT. I live in Madagascar and the CRF300L costs 12.000 EUR at the honda dealer (yes, 12000€, no joke!). I ended up buying the CFMOTO 450MT directly from Foshan in China and it is arriving by the end of this month. The bike cost me 31580CNY(about 4100€) and I had to pay 1200€ for ocean freight from China to Madagascar. I can't wait for it!
I’ve had a Honda Rally for 3 years and over 8,000 miles now. I’m like you-I have never liked this bike! 😅Every year I’m like “I’m definitely getting a better bike this riding season” but for some reason, I never do! It’s just light enough that I feel comfortable taking it places where I wouldn’t want to take a T7 or KLR. Hope you like your new bike.
Great bike, cf moto have really listened and come up with a great set-up for beginners and older riders who want an ADV that isn't heavy. The 450cc is perfect. I got mine from Central Coast motorcycle, too in the grey.
@@michaelwaddell3209 Dealer meeting with CFMoto distribution is slated for next week according to my local dealer..I suspect they will know first shipments after that. Rumor/best guess is October or so...hoping for sooner. Pre-order is in place...
So you traded your dual sport for an ADV Bike. Nice. I would do it too if I weren’t worried about weight. 350lbs is the most I’m willing to lug around since 85% of my riding is off road.
I get what you are saying, it doesn't feel as heavy as the spec sheet says. It feels as light as the rally in my opinion but here in Australia I have to cover big distance to get to some of the tracks that I want to ride. BTW here the Rally is by most, regarded as a light adventure bike and the 300L is more a dual sport. I am aware that we sometimes refer to these differently to some other countries. Cheers
@@michaelwaddell3209 I can understand that it might feel as light as the Rally while you’re riding it, but that’s not my concern. I’m sure the weight can be felt when you have to pick it up? My Rally is close in weight to the stock 300l with aftermarket exhaust and lithium battery, . I don’t want to be lifting anymore than what I have with the Rally. Because I have dropped it. First time you have to lift the bike from a position where the weight is not in your favor, high side facing downhill, please let me know if it still feels as lightweight as the Rally. Thanks!
@@airadaimagery692I have to agree here 👌 My 300L ‘is’ my adventure bike which I ride on 70% of the tracks and trails I take my smaller bike on (a registered Beta X trainer). I wouldn’t be game to take a heavier bike as far as I do into enemy territory. While the CF moto 450 looks like it’s ticking lots of boxes, for me personally it would only ever be a road and gravel road bike. Not sure about the OP ‘ Michael ‘ , but I can’t be trusted not to sneak up some snotty rutted out hill when I come across one and we all know sometimes things go pear shaped 😮(that extra 30 or 40 KGs is a deal breaker for me)... Everyone has their own personal needs and wants though 😊
Valid comments. My opinions relate in comparing it to the rally not the L which is lighter. (unless of course you added the bigger tank and all the other stuff and made it like a rally anyway) Everyones idea of an adventure bike is different and lets not get into that debate now.I suppose it comes down to the fact I would be happy taking the MT450 anywhere I would have taken the Rally. Certainly the MT has its limitations, of course it does, so does the rally. That's why you have a Beta right? It goes back to your intended use. That extra weight of the MT is carried low. Even pushing it around the garage it feels similar if not lighter. Again, everyone has there own opinions, uses and priorities and that's great. When comparing bikes it goes well beyond the spec sheet of what it says it weighs. At one point in my life I had a KLE500 (parallel twin 500) which weighed 200kg and a DR650 which weighed 40 kgs less. In reality the KLE felt 40kg lighter, was more manageable and easier to pick up than the DR. That was due to the weight of the parallel twin was down low. In my opinion it is a similar scenario.
@@tatasth8559 I assume you are asking about fuel consumption? It really is too early to tell but the dash is saying I’ll get approximately 490km to the tank. I am riding it easy so that figure is probably not realistic . I do believe it will be great however. Cheers
Sounds sweet is an understatement! That thing sounds like a full race Ducati 916 V-Twin. The MT450 is the best sounding bike on the market right now. It really sounds like a 90 degree V-Twin. I am almost certain that they will never allow that muffler in the USA, they won't want people to have that much fun with a motorcycle haha. The Transalp 750 sounds similar, but the MT450 seems to sound better somehow.
Hello everyone! Michael, what pushed you to make the change? In Perú both bikes are on the same price. I am waiting to see wich one i should buy, i tried th 450mt, reallly great feeling top for the price, but the brand is still kind of new for me, alone the reliability of the honda makes me think it would be a better choice on the long run, yet i see a lot of people preferring the cfmoto and for all that it offers, could be a better deal.
There’s a lot to answer on that. A lot of will be answered in my next video. Stay tuned for that. As for long term reliability, we will have to wait and see. Cfmoto have been around for some time and do make some of the current Ktm engines. I believe this engine has been in use for 2 years in another model. Cheers
I do wonder about the cf moto assembly after the dramas with the ktm 790 they produced, the 790 has/had serious issues with the camshafts after about 10,000k. I hope not because I really like the 450mt as well.
I see this bike will do Ok for off road but my problem would be on highways. Other 500 cc adventure bikes like Macbor, Voge, TRK can do 140 km/h @ 7 kRPMs and 160 km/h @ 8 kRPM. I need to cover (very) large distances in Patagonia and wonder if this 450MT can also achieve this. May be by working on the sprocket? Thanks
I actually think it’s got better. Maybe because the engine is so new…. I suppose it can be solved with an update. We will see how it goes. The bike is awesome.
Running the RPM higher than 4000 during the breaking in period is better for the engine than keeping it below 4000 and having the engine straining all the time. But, I still wouldn't rev it up to the redline.
@@yveslaurier950 yes I’ve been conscious of not labouring it. I do believe you are right. The good part is I haven’t been able to keep it under anyway. 😁
Michael , did you take the 450 for a test ride before you bought it . And keep the updates on the bike coming . Is this the bike you will continue the trip around Aus .
yes i was able to take it for a test ride, that made up my mind very quickly. It quite possibly will be the bike I continue with. I really like the Versys and there is nothing wrong with it. I will probably keep it. It does however have 60,000 km on it and whilst that's not that high and it runs beautifully, I'm guessing the 450 will be even better for touring and being newer will be less risk. Cheers
No regrets at all. I sold rally privately. I took a loss but it was still worth it. I’ll have a video out soon giving my comparison thoughts while riding a fire trail. There’s a lot to say about it so stay tuned. Cheers
@@olis790 quite possibly. Time will tell on that. My versys is 6 years old and has 60,000km on it now. I think this will also be better on the road. Have you recovered btw?
@@michaelwaddell3209 shame they couldn’t update the Versys. The MT seems really competent. Curious how the updated ‘25 390 adv will compare. On the mend and back riding
Sold a 300 rally three weeks ago , regretting it already but , still have my Versys 650, put a set of pirelli trail 2 it , it’s good on dirt roads now at moderate speeds only , because of 17 inch front wheel. Intrigued by this bike , and at $9500 rideaway might replace the departed Rally. But that wet weight of 190kg ….still bloody heavy to pick up in tricky situations . The rally shone when needing to be turned around or picked up. What let the rally down , was stock tyres, stock suspension …when pushing hard on single track . But it was capable of going 300km days on back roads and 80km of motorways ….. But like you I sold it ….did you consider the 450RL? Short oil change intervals or not ….its one hell of a bike . Hope the CF moto is good , time will tell.
Well that is up to you. The v strom is an excellent bike, it is more road orientated and a bigger engine. So yes it is heavier but it will do the open roads better than the 450mt. The 450 certainly will do the off road better, but it depends on what you do with the bike. I could be happy with both the v strom and the 450 as the are really (in my opinion) for different purposes. Cheers
Hi Sir Excuse me It is good moto cycle ? I know it is come from china company and Now I know the new model too is Royal Enfield 450cc Himalayan which one is better ?
@@Jonathan-L only ridden a few times. I did ride it on the dirt. I have a video coming out in a few hours in that. Great so far is the answer to your question.
CF Moto is looking at the market for real, not in a dream world. Middle aged men are not big and strong, not able to man handle GS 1250, or something that weighs @550+ and if you install bags, @180-220 lbs rider bike is 900+ and can't be used safely off road. And most riders are 80/20 and the 20%off road is non technical dirt roads, light camping. So CF Moto having tubeless wheels, decent suspension and some road manners is for the real market not make believe where people are riding off road 95% of the time.. that's in Hollywood style videos not real life
I do cover this in my follow up video but.... I do think the Rally is a great bike, it just wasn't for me. The biggest thing is that it is a single and I prefer twins. Its low power is also a consideration as its ability to sit at highway speeds with rider comfort in mind.
@@michaelwaddell3209 oh really that seems counter intuitive. New engines should avoid high load by using low rpm you're increasing the load on the engine. But unrelated I'd love to take one of these bikes for a test ride seems like everyone is liking them.
@@1uke69er absolutely agree with you. It’s about finding the balance of revs. That’s why I struggle keeping it under. I’d rather over rev than under. Ride one when you get an opportunity. They really are great.
@@MrEtnorb you honestly don’t feel the extra weight, in fact pushing it around the garage it actually feels lighter. I suppose the weight is in the engine which is down low.
I hope that a lot of people buy a lot of CFMOTO (or any other brand), this will only make Honda work harder to improve its products. Because honestly we are happy that it has good reliability but we are sad because it is mediocre in everything else. I will probably also buy CFMOTO. It's not really my unicorn... but while I wait for it to appear, I'm having fun with cfmoto 😁. This is an eye-opener for Honda to wake up from its place of privilege and start serving its customers better.
Ride one first. They feel very different. I used to have a wr250r, great bike I just couldn't spend much time on it on the highway. The bike was capable of it, just I found it hard work on that bike.
@@michaelwaddell3209 It's a bit loud I've already done a test drive, in acceleration and downshifts and also in the forest it has an interesting sound, but on relaxed rides on the road it's annoying. If you pay attention, you'll notice that there's a noticeable sound resonance when you're driving at a constant speed. In my case, it forced me to vary the speed slightly up and down from time to time to avoid hearing that resonance. Eventually this resonance that I am talking about may be due to the fact that the bike is new or it may just be something that happened only in the unit I tried
The Japanese big name manufacturers seem to hate medium displacement enduros. They give people the DR650 single, the KLR650 single. Or if you want a parallel twin, you have to spend twice as much (literally) and get the Suzuki DE800. The thing is, nobody wants to ride a single cylinder motorcycle. They buy the single cylinder, because that's the only thing on the market... But a single cylinder bike is SO boring.
They lie about the weight and fuel consumption, my screen shows 4.1L /100km , measured at the gas station, its about 4.6L. That is a lot. My average with about 80kmh speed on the road is about 4.3-4,4L/100km. More then tenere 700, and has about the same KG. What a fail of a bike.
@@michaelwaddell3209, is this update done at the dealership? How is it done, practically speaking? Thanks for your 450mt updates in your channel! I am waiting to get mine in a week. In Albania. Crossing fingers on its reliability.
I picked up mine Friday 12 Jun as well, the grey one and it looks fantastic in person. Went for a ride straight from the dealership, all day and BTW, you just can't keep it under 4k rpm at 100kph on the highway. Some random guys at the Robo pie shop noted how great it sounded, I said, "yeah, picked it up from the dealer this morning, the exhaust is stock, it sounds spot-on". I worked the thing up and down the rev range, doing my best not to keep it too high for long periods as there was no way I was sitting at 70kph on 110 motorway - even if it was just for a relative short distance. I can say, on tarmac in the dry (which is all I've done so far), the tyres are very good. Factory ride-away suspension settings are way too hard (and I'm a little heavier than your). I also will need to check the sag and then set the preload for my weight. It's a great fun bike, loving the roll-on throttle response at any speed and one thing which I'm loving - it carries its weight really really well as it doesn't feel top-heavy at all. Hitting some easy gravel tomorrow, can't wait!
@@nevillegreg1 well said
@@nevillegreg1 how are you 2 finding the throttle response?
@@florme6494 You get the feel of the throttle, just control the bike with the correct balance of throttle and clutch, be in the friction zone and life is good. I haven't yet done any gnarly offroad stuff but I suspect if you remain vigilant in the friction zone things will work out just fine.
Yeah! CFMOTO rules.
I also have a quite similar situation. I wanted to buy my first adv bike and these two were the two main choices for me. Either it was a CRF300L or the CFMOTO 450MT.
I live in Madagascar and the CRF300L costs 12.000 EUR at the honda dealer (yes, 12000€, no joke!). I ended up buying the CFMOTO 450MT directly from Foshan in China and it is arriving by the end of this month. The bike cost me 31580CNY(about 4100€) and I had to pay 1200€ for ocean freight from China to Madagascar. I can't wait for it!
I’ve had a Honda Rally for 3 years and over 8,000 miles now. I’m like you-I have never liked this bike! 😅Every year I’m like “I’m definitely getting a better bike this riding season” but for some reason, I never do! It’s just light enough that I feel comfortable taking it places where I wouldn’t want to take a T7 or KLR. Hope you like your new bike.
Looks like a nice ride. Have a 450-SR-S - absolutely superb. These 450cc CF-Moto engines are sweet.
Just sold my crf 300 rally and going to buy one of these today. Hopefully they end up being reliable
You are not alone in your thinking.
Great bike, cf moto have really listened and come up with a great set-up for beginners and older riders who want an ADV that isn't heavy. The 450cc is perfect. I got mine from Central Coast motorcycle, too in the grey.
I agree. Enjoy your new bike!
Jealously watching from across the pond 😂 Waiting for this to be available to those of us in the states.
When do you expect them?
@@michaelwaddell3209 I just talked to a local dealer today and the only answer they can give us is "sometime this fall".
@@michaelwaddell3209 Dealer meeting with CFMoto distribution is slated for next week according to my local dealer..I suspect they will know first shipments after that. Rumor/best guess is October or so...hoping for sooner. Pre-order is in place...
I wont be changes bikes when i get my Ibex450, when it finally gets tot the USA. I will just be adding it. I never sell my bikes.
Lucky guy. I have owned about 20 bikes but I only have a single garage so I have to sell to make room for new ones 😢
lucky you
How many motorcycles do you own?
@@clayfarnet970 currently I have 3
@@clayfarnet970 had 2. I have one now, just sold my sports bike to make room for a adv (only have room for two bikes)
A new bike day is always a great day😊😊
So you traded your dual sport for an ADV Bike. Nice. I would do it too if I weren’t worried about weight. 350lbs is the most I’m willing to lug around since 85% of my riding is off road.
I get what you are saying, it doesn't feel as heavy as the spec sheet says. It feels as light as the rally in my opinion but here in Australia I have to cover big distance to get to some of the tracks that I want to ride. BTW here the Rally is by most, regarded as a light adventure bike and the 300L is more a dual sport. I am aware that we sometimes refer to these differently to some other countries.
Cheers
@@michaelwaddell3209 I can understand that it might feel as light as the Rally while you’re riding it, but that’s not my concern. I’m sure the weight can be felt when you have to pick it up? My Rally is close in weight to the stock 300l with aftermarket exhaust and lithium battery, . I don’t want to be lifting anymore than what I have with the Rally. Because I have dropped it. First time you have to lift the bike from a position where the weight is not in your favor, high side facing downhill, please let me know if it still feels as lightweight as the Rally. Thanks!
@@airadaimagery692I have to agree here 👌 My 300L ‘is’ my adventure bike which I ride on 70% of the tracks and trails I take my smaller bike on (a registered Beta X trainer). I wouldn’t be game to take a heavier bike as far as I do into enemy territory. While the CF moto 450 looks like it’s ticking lots of boxes, for me personally it would only ever be a road and gravel road bike. Not sure about the OP ‘ Michael ‘ , but I can’t be trusted not to sneak up some snotty rutted out hill when I come across one and we all know sometimes things go pear shaped 😮(that extra 30 or 40 KGs is a deal breaker for me)... Everyone has their own personal needs and wants though 😊
I think what Itchy Boots did to Honda, 450mt would not survive that. But if you are more in riding on dirt roads bigger is better for u.
Valid comments. My opinions relate in comparing it to the rally not the L which is lighter. (unless of course you added the bigger tank and all the other stuff and made it like a rally anyway) Everyones idea of an adventure bike is different and lets not get into that debate now.I suppose it comes down to the fact I would be happy taking the MT450 anywhere I would have taken the Rally. Certainly the MT has its limitations, of course it does, so does the rally. That's why you have a Beta right? It goes back to your intended use.
That extra weight of the MT is carried low. Even pushing it around the garage it feels similar if not lighter. Again, everyone has there own opinions, uses and priorities and that's great. When comparing bikes it goes well beyond the spec sheet of what it says it weighs. At one point in my life I had a KLE500 (parallel twin 500) which weighed 200kg and a DR650 which weighed 40 kgs less. In reality the KLE felt 40kg lighter, was more manageable and easier to pick up than the DR. That was due to the weight of the parallel twin was down low. In my opinion it is a similar scenario.
I’ll be watching your content to see how you find ownership. I’m interested in buying one myself
i went for a longer ride today, (video out soon) It so far is great
cheers
@@michaelwaddell3209how’s the mileage?
@@tatasth8559 I assume you are asking about fuel consumption?
It really is too early to tell but the dash is saying I’ll get approximately 490km to the tank. I am riding it easy so that figure is probably not realistic . I do believe it will be great however.
Cheers
Hi Mike, Bike looks great, you will have to do a short term review! Hope to ride with you soon.
@@craighorne4532 thanks.
I will do review but I’m taking it easy until I get crash bars.
Always up for a ride mate.
You're bloody lucky mate. If you want one in the UK they're saying " probably next spring" .
That's what I was told yesterday, rare as rocking horse poo 😏
That's what I was told too , real shame , they need to sort that !
sounds sweet, happy riding
i think it sounds better when riding it.
cheers
Sounds sweet is an understatement! That thing sounds like a full race Ducati 916 V-Twin. The MT450 is the best sounding bike on the market right now. It really sounds like a 90 degree V-Twin. I am almost certain that they will never allow that muffler in the USA, they won't want people to have that much fun with a motorcycle haha. The Transalp 750 sounds similar, but the MT450 seems to sound better somehow.
@@starseeddeluxe it sure sounds great
Wow, this video has attracted some comments. Funny, as I also own a CRF 300 Rally and a Vstrom and am interested in the CFMOTO 450 MT.
Shes a nice bike. Twins really are better to live with than singles.
yes i agree
Hello everyone! Michael, what pushed you to make the change? In Perú both bikes are on the same price. I am waiting to see wich one i should buy, i tried th 450mt, reallly great feeling top for the price, but the brand is still kind of new for me, alone the reliability of the honda makes me think it would be a better choice on the long run, yet i see a lot of people preferring the cfmoto and for all that it offers, could be a better deal.
There’s a lot to answer on that. A lot of will be answered in my next video. Stay tuned for that. As for long term reliability, we will have to wait and see. Cfmoto have been around for some time and do make some of the current Ktm engines. I believe this engine has been in use for 2 years in another model.
Cheers
Looks like Tenere for the lighter guys
I do wonder about the cf moto assembly after the dramas with the ktm 790 they produced, the 790 has/had serious issues with the camshafts after about 10,000k.
I hope not because I really like the 450mt as well.
@@atpete137 this engine has been in use for a few years now in other models, I’m unaware of any issues. Let’s hope.
Those issues are related to the KTM engine. The 450 is an all new CFMoto design
Cfmoto didn't build the 790 with those problems. They now build them and they've fixed the problem.
I see this bike will do Ok for off road but my problem would be on highways.
Other 500 cc adventure bikes like Macbor, Voge, TRK can do 140 km/h @ 7 kRPMs and 160 km/h @ 8 kRPM.
I need to cover (very) large distances in Patagonia and wonder if this 450MT can also achieve this. May be by working on the sprocket?
Thanks
Fair point. I haven’t been able to test that yet as bike is new. We will soon see.
You can hear the poor fuelling of the bike at low revs, part throttle which is a pity because otherwise they seem awesome
I actually think it’s got better. Maybe because the engine is so new….
I suppose it can be solved with an update. We will see how it goes. The bike is awesome.
Running the RPM higher than 4000 during the breaking in period is better for the engine than keeping it below 4000 and having the engine straining all the time. But, I still wouldn't rev it up to the redline.
@@yveslaurier950 yes I’ve been conscious of not labouring it. I do believe you are right. The good part is I haven’t been able to keep it under anyway. 😁
Don’t worry 4000Rpm just don’t go above 6500rpm
@@alanalmond3072 that’s good because I couldn’t really keep it under 4K.
A mate of mine just did the exact same thing
@@jackchristodoulou197 I think a lot of people are doing similar
Michael , did you take the 450 for a test ride before you bought it . And keep the updates on the bike coming . Is this the bike you will continue the trip around Aus .
yes i was able to take it for a test ride, that made up my mind very quickly. It quite possibly will be the bike I continue with. I really like the Versys and there is nothing wrong with it. I will probably keep it. It does however have 60,000 km on it and whilst that's not that high and it runs beautifully, I'm guessing the 450 will be even better for touring and being newer will be less risk.
Cheers
I just rode my bike normally, sticking under 4000 rpm isn’t ideal
i totally agree. I try where possible but i also think that the engine labor's bit uphill at those revs which can't be good for it.
Hey mate. I was only thinking the other day if you had picked up the new bike. What are your thoughts.
@@paulrichards2239 it’s awesome!!
So no regrets replacing your 300 Rally for 450MT? I am thinking of doing same. Did you trade your Rally or sell privately?
No regrets at all.
I sold rally privately. I took a loss but it was still worth it.
I’ll have a video out soon giving my comparison thoughts while riding a fire trail.
There’s a lot to say about it so stay tuned.
Cheers
Congrats Mike, did you consider replacing the Versys with this?
@@olis790 quite possibly. Time will tell on that. My versys is 6 years old and has 60,000km on it now.
I think this will also be better on the road.
Have you recovered btw?
@@michaelwaddell3209 shame they couldn’t update the Versys. The MT seems really competent. Curious how the updated ‘25 390 adv will compare. On the mend and back riding
@@olis790 yes it will be interesting.
Glad to hear.
Have to catch up some time.
Sold a 300 rally three weeks ago , regretting it already but , still have my Versys 650, put a set of pirelli trail 2 it , it’s good on dirt roads now at moderate speeds only , because of 17 inch front wheel.
Intrigued by this bike , and at $9500 rideaway might replace the departed Rally.
But that wet weight of 190kg ….still bloody heavy to pick up in tricky situations .
The rally shone when needing to be turned around or picked up.
What let the rally down , was stock tyres, stock suspension …when pushing hard on single track .
But it was capable of going 300km days on back roads and 80km of motorways …..
But like you I sold it ….did you consider the 450RL?
Short oil change intervals or not ….its one hell of a bike .
Hope the CF moto is good , time will tell.
@@orionswitness the 450 feels lighter than the rally. I guess the weight of the 450 is in the engine which is low down.
Hi i have an V-Strom 650 and i am thinking to change it
Should i change it? what do you think
Many thanks
Peter
Well that is up to you. The v strom is an excellent bike, it is more road orientated and a bigger engine. So yes it is heavier but it will do the open roads better than the 450mt. The 450 certainly will do the off road better, but it depends on what you do with the bike.
I could be happy with both the v strom and the 450 as the are really (in my opinion) for different purposes.
Cheers
@@michaelwaddell3209 thank you
Got my on order got to wait a couple of months in uk
@@howardmann5634 it will be worth the wait.
does it have jerky snatchy throttle?
Hi Sir
Excuse me
It is good moto cycle ? I know it is come from china company
and Now I know the new model too is Royal Enfield 450cc Himalayan
which one is better ?
Both are good bikes. I prefer the twin cylinder engine over the Himalayan single, but that is personal preference.
How's the new bike after a few days Michael?
@@Jonathan-L only ridden a few times. I did ride it on the dirt. I have a video coming out in a few hours in that.
Great so far is the answer to your question.
CF Moto is looking at the market for real, not in a dream world. Middle aged men are not big and strong, not able to man handle GS 1250, or something that weighs @550+ and if you install bags, @180-220 lbs rider bike is 900+ and can't be used safely off road. And most riders are 80/20 and the 20%off road is non technical dirt roads, light camping. So CF Moto having tubeless wheels, decent suspension and some road manners is for the real market not make believe where people are riding off road 95% of the time.. that's in Hollywood style videos not real life
Very true.
What about the crf300 rally didn’t you like?
I do cover this in my follow up video but.... I do think the Rally is a great bike, it just wasn't for me. The biggest thing is that it is a single and I prefer twins. Its low power is also a consideration as its ability to sit at highway speeds with rider comfort in mind.
@@michaelwaddell3209 fair 👍
What gloves do you wear Michael?
warm gloves are "Five" brand, not sure of model and mesh gloves are "Rjays" again not sure of model
why dont you want to go over 4k rpm?
@@1uke69er you are supposed to keep it under 4K revs for the first 500 km. It’s too difficult really.
@@michaelwaddell3209 oh really that seems counter intuitive. New engines should avoid high load by using low rpm you're increasing the load on the engine. But unrelated I'd love to take one of these bikes for a test ride seems like everyone is liking them.
@@1uke69er absolutely agree with you. It’s about finding the balance of revs. That’s why I struggle keeping it under. I’d rather over rev than under.
Ride one when you get an opportunity. They really are great.
Significantly more power and fuel but an extra 20 kg or more. Always a trade off.
@@MrEtnorb you honestly don’t feel the extra weight, in fact pushing it around the garage it actually feels lighter. I suppose the weight is in the engine which is down low.
I go for honda nx500. Crf 300 rally for long ride at trail. Never for Chinese bike for today.
I hope that a lot of people buy a lot of CFMOTO (or any other brand), this will only make Honda work harder to improve its products. Because honestly we are happy that it has good reliability but we are sad because it is mediocre in everything else. I will probably also buy CFMOTO. It's not really my unicorn... but while I wait for it to appear, I'm having fun with cfmoto 😁. This is an eye-opener for Honda to wake up from its place of privilege and start serving its customers better.
why just 4000 RPM?
@@don_alex_97 recommended revs for break in for first 500km. Don’t worry, I failed. It wasn’t realistic. 😁
@@michaelwaddell3209 I've heard 7000 ... 4000 is dumb really. although i recommend watching videos for proper breaking in.
@@don_alex_97 I was told under 4 for 500k then under 6 until 1000k.
The under 4 is too hard, I agree.
@@michaelwaddell3209 The offical dealership told you so?
@@don_alex_97 yes and it says that in manual as well
how tall are you?
@@TheTomy03ful 5’11”
im thinking about selling my wr250 for a cfmoto 450
Ride one first. They feel very different. I used to have a wr250r, great bike I just couldn't spend much time on it on the highway. The bike was capable of it, just I found it hard work on that bike.
@@michaelwaddell3209 and wr seat so uncomfortable
@@SuperDolemite1 I agree. I also had the seat concepts seat in it. I think it was the position I was in.
It's quite noisy
its not that loud, it has a nice sound too
@@michaelwaddell3209 It's a bit loud I've already done a test drive, in acceleration and downshifts and also in the forest it has an interesting sound, but on relaxed rides on the road it's annoying.
If you pay attention, you'll notice that there's a noticeable sound resonance when you're driving at a constant speed. In my case, it forced me to vary the speed slightly up and down from time to time to avoid hearing that resonance. Eventually this resonance that I am talking about may be due to the fact that the bike is new or it may just be something that happened only in the unit I tried
chinese… advise: sell them quickly
The Japanese big name manufacturers seem to hate medium displacement enduros. They give people the DR650 single, the KLR650 single. Or if you want a parallel twin, you have to spend twice as much (literally) and get the Suzuki DE800. The thing is, nobody wants to ride a single cylinder motorcycle. They buy the single cylinder, because that's the only thing on the market... But a single cylinder bike is SO boring.
You are clearly exaggerating, I own one , two and four cylinders bikes, and any one of them can put a smile on my face. To each their own.
The easiest job in Australia at the moment. CF Moto salesman.
Very true!
They lie about the weight and fuel consumption, my screen shows 4.1L /100km , measured at the gas station, its about 4.6L. That is a lot. My average with about 80kmh speed on the road is about 4.3-4,4L/100km. More then tenere 700, and has about the same KG.
What a fail of a bike.
Have you done the update? I only ask because mine came with the update and I'm getting much better figures than that.
@@michaelwaddell3209 Yes, I did, but its still to much.
@@michaelwaddell3209, is this update done at the dealership? How is it done, practically speaking?
Thanks for your 450mt updates in your channel! I am waiting to get mine in a week. In Albania. Crossing fingers on its reliability.
@@qalliub you can do update yourself through the app. It’s quite easy to do.
44hp is what a 25 years old monocylinder bike performs. This 2 cylinders 450 should be making 55-60hp.
Name a 450cc road single from 25 years ago that made 44hp. An XR400 was 34
Even if that were true… we’re now at euro 5+… why do you think engines keep getting larger in displacement but small if any gains in hp.
China thanks you. 😒