The Oldest Tripod - War Of The Worlds Explained
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- The Original War Of The Worlds Tripods H. G. Wells Hated was the Warwick Goble Tripod design that appeared in the first ever publication of H.G. Wells The War Of The Worlds in Pearson's Magazine in 1897. HG Wells famously disliked Warwick Goble's tripods as these original fighting machines are quite like no other. H G Wells was much more fond of the later depiction by Alvim Correa.
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It's fascinating how these war of the worlds tripods are so distinct compared to the many different adaptions of HG Wells The War Of The Worlds, including The War Of The Worlds 1953 film, The Great Martian War 1913-1917, Jeff Wayne's Musical Version Of The War Of The Worlds and even Steven Spielberg's 2005 War Of The Worlds starring Tom Cruise as well as many indie games and art and war of the worlds games have included direct adaptions of this tripod. I found a War Of The Worlds game that's a nice adaption and it certainly makes a nice change from FOX's War Of The Worlds and the BBC's War Of The Worlds that we've gotten lately. The War Of The Worlds 1913 game is a worthwhile, fun and nicely stylised adaption of H G Wells The War Of The Worlds. It makes me wonder if these war of the worlds aliens and specifically these war of the worlds martians will feature in a the war of the worlds game eventually and what gameplay they would entail with their unique movement. It also makes me wonder if the new War Of The Worlds The Attack 2023 will be inspired by them maybe. Also credit goes to PaletteFM for assisting in the colourisation of some of the drawings.
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Although these tripod designs may be very odd, I think it's always fascinating to see the first ever version of anything and this is no different. They might not be the most accurate or elegant of designs but they're certainly very distinct and it's really quite interesting to see one of the initial imaginings people of that era may have had of alien machines.
'You may be a tripod, I am THE tripod. The original, you might say.'
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Oh jeeze here it comes. Look into greek mythology. Go look at the tales of Hephaestus, and Daidalos. the two names that make up the one that came to me in a dream as a 12 year old boy when I never even heard of such a thing. I've loved HGWELLS work. Look at the accounts of tripods made by my congenitally impaired ancestor, the same deformities on his body make up my own and I have the same passion for working with iron as he. He had many children and his children had many children. He was a great artificer... I am also a something of a decent blacksmith, but I'm not the greatest. Daemaistos is what I go by. Pleasure to meet another fan of H.G.Wells work.
There's no reason not to see these tripods as crude an primitive looking. Ironwork is ancient but modern at the same time. It was iron that ended the bronzeage.
It is iron that fell from space, it is iron that makes up the Earths core, it is iron that has been oxidized that makes up the surface of mars.
Just get a long rope and wait for it to trip, unless if it defies physics and jump up like a Gmod prop bouncing in the air
"Not the best GIF to demonstrate what I mean..."
Doesn't mean it's not the best GIF I've ever seen
Ha, I'm glad you like my choice of GIF! XD
@@pupbenny Man, I laugh out loud when that jittering shaky spinning stool gif move across the screen lmao, it was a great choice to visualize it, and yeah, it being stiff as hell doesn't seem all that scary.
So technically, Goble was the original, and Correa was the canon.
That's a really good way of putting it!
That’s how it should be. The Correa Tripods are the best, in my opinion. I love their steampunk esque designs.
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Imagine failing so hard on a drawing of an alien that the original creator of the book literally bahses you in hjs book 💀
The best pointer an artist can take for how to draw the tripods in the manner Wells would likely have approved of would be to consider the descriptions not of the fighting machines themselves but the handling machines, which are noted for the organic, lifelike dexterity of their limbs and the subtle complexity of their articulated limbs. The implication is that martians have acheived such a rigorous understanding of muscle and anatomy that their machines can replicate and perhaps even improve upon it, thus eliminating the need for manual labor. (That their understanding of immunology and micorbiology lags so far behind is simply a product of Wells' time.)
He would likely have praised the 2005 film depiction of the fighting machines in this respect because of their use of organic locomotion and geometry.
Yeah that's a really great point! It certainly seems that Wells was trying to emphasize these organic elements of the machines, which a great many of the interpretations seem to miss. But, as you said, the 2005 versions did quite a good job of it, at least imo.
But their lack of knowledge regarding immunology and microbiology is explained in the novel as a product of their vast dominance over nature. They have long since eliminated microbial pathogens (argue this concept in itself as a product of its time, quite fairly), and they have done so long enough in the past, that they have essentialy forgotten about them altogether.
This, to me, seems to be yet more of Wells' satire, since it clearly lampoons Human behaviour, where we tend to forget en masse all about a once-existential threat which we have since defeated, and we forget it all within the span of a handful of generations. Sometimes - as the threat from coronaviruses have shown in the early 21stC, we can forget all about these things nearly overnight. Covid prevention protocols? Remember those? We would be just as easily caught out and laid low by a new and far deadlier covid in the near future as we were socially & economically immobilized by the far less-lethal 2019 strain.
Yes, for almost two years we struggled with a slow, waking nightmare, then as soon as the restrictions were ended, we hesitatingly returned to normal; the young people flew off to their party islands and, six months later, who even knew that social distancing or lockdown had ever been a thing?
I give the Martians a pass, even if we have to accept that beneficial microbial fauna inhabit bodies as a normal matter - unless we actually want to stretch it even further and say that those, too were eliminated through some incredible science which permitted for it?
Damn, Wells opened a can of worms with this one. That's why it's so good.
And, remarkably to me, why I think that every single adaptation has come up short in one respect or another.
@@AndrewGivens After Covid, I can't really call the Martians dumb for not doing the proper precautions for bacteria.
Because we surely didnt
@@boshwa20thats a dumb comparission, the misshandling of covis was because we knew the thing had like 95% survival rate and not too much to be taken seriously, still when goverments tried to take action it was too late.
7:59, I like that in a way, he canonizes the actual original serialization within the universe of the story
Ooh those marauding kettle BBQs with their three crane boom legs, complete with laundry tongs and a bucket with pulleys and clamps! Correa's illustrations will always be my favourite depictions of the day.
Yeah basically lol.
@@pupbenny 1:43
Admittedly I do really like the thumbnail’s inclusion of a “flame thrower lantern”. And while I don’t really like the stilt legs, I do like the steampunk appearance they give. Heck they could fit in some “medieval steampunk” sort of setting imho, or even be an example of the aliens’ older technology, not even a prototype it could just be them throwing their answer to model Ts but with flamethrower lanterns (makes me want to put them in a medieval setting now, with their alien yet old/familiar designs)
I’ve got a degree of sympathy for Goble. HG wrote the passage you note,Goble drew in response to it. He mentions a milk stool ,but goes on repeatedly about “rolling motion “.
is it just me or those tripods look like grills
They use human bodies as charcoal.
The martian's out here barbequeing Humans
@@mariapapadogianniratinggam3778 true
Looks like cranes connected to aglobe with pinchers
Omg thats exactly what i was thinking.
I still can't get over the idea of the Writer, while recounting his traumatic experience with the Martian invasion, deciding to briefly fanboy over the real tripods' designs.
Then again, I was the same when Adam vs Zeus got animated.
When I first read War of the Worlds (a Russian translation - and a potentially somewhat abridged version at that) - my understanding of the Tripods was exactly the same - that they are a rigid structure that walks around by tipping about - which I attempted to replicate using an old stool that rather did not want to stay intact. When I subsequently saw Tripod interpretations that had them bending their legs instead, it took a while to realize that should have been the more correct version.
I've been enjoying this mini series! I really want to see more of how the war of the world tripods were depicted throughout history!
looking at the way the gobel tripods moved in the animation you made at 5:36, those martians must have been very dizzy.
You might find this interesting- In the mid 1950s, the old Disneyland tv show broadcast the episode “Mars And Beyond,” directed by Ward Kimball. Featured was a brief animated sequence about “The War Of The Worlds” showing cartoony versions Martian tripods marching. Kimball had a simple but very workable solution to how they moved- Their legs rotate as they walked, allowing them to stride along with out tilting or staggering. Granted, what Kimball’s take on “The War Of The Worlds" was tongue in cheek- He shows one of the Martians catching a cold and violently sneezing itself and it’s fighting machine to pieces- But the carousel tripod legs are surprisingly convincing.
Wells does mention "steam" coming from their jointed legs..."puffs of green smoke squirted out
from the joints of the limbs as the monster swept by me. And in an instant it was gone."
I’ve always imagined the og tripods to move kind of stiff like, given the drawings of tripods walking. Although they had flexible metal tentacles for grabbing stuff, or building stuff.
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Yeah, I thought it was interesting how they have such flexible tentacles but really stiff legs, it's very weird.
I agree. Wells description seems to make the way they walk sound quite stiff and clunky, not fast and spider like.
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Really like the 2 videos discussing the original designs I would also hope you can do a third one with Edward goreys illustrations (or if there isn’t a lot to go off of with them do another classic illustration) epic video dude !
Thank you very much! I plan on doing one about the gorey illustrations eventually, I actually just made a model of his tripod! I'm quite unfamiliar with his illustrations though so will need to do more research, but I'll get around to it eventually, hopefully. :) I really love his designs.
The War Of The Worlds. Love that last sentence.
That is fascinating
I certainly think so, I'm glad you also found it fascinating! :)
The first introduction to the War of the Worlds fighting machines or tripods for many, including myself, was the artwork on the cover of Jeff Wayne's musical version back in 1978. The accompanying illustrated booklet that came inside the album just cemented it for us. Then there were also technical drawings showing the handling machines and also how the tripods were packed in to the cylinders for their journey to earth. As a kid back in the late 70's up until the last 25 years or so, nothing could touch those illustrations. Although, as good as they were, they just don't compare to the actual descriptions in the book, so in later life, the Alvim Correa illustrations for me best show how I visualise them in my own mind given the original text.
On a side note, at school in the 1980's , our art teacher had a massive painting of "Dead London" on the classroom wall. Obviously copied from the artwork in that booklet from the Jeff Wayne album. Me and my best friend used to talk about how a new film should be made using that artwork .
H.G Wells might have been just Goble’s design, but more detailed and different with flexibility.
A real problem with any depiction of the tripods is that (my guess) H.G. Wells specifically calls them tripods, because no one can figure out what the gait would look, so just saying that they walked is enough to make them very alien. The film from the 1950s went with flying machines, because removing the need for them to walk completely solved the problem of figuring out how the legs moved.
What you have pictured resembles the description of the 'spider bots' from Arthur C. Clarke's "Rendezvous with Rama", so I lend it some credence.
Never really liked this design. But eh. Kinda grew to enjoy whatever new thing's they have
I think that's how I feel too, I remember really disliking them at first but somehow I don't mind them that much anymore for some reason.
to me,the tripod looks like a water tower with a burning birdhouse and a gripper. forgot to mention about the shark fin above its head. it just looks like something that a rookie mad scientist made for their science presentation
I have a theory as to how the O.G Fighting Machines could have moved around.
Imagine if the tripod legs had the ability to "telescope" (akin to a Dalek's Plunger/Manipulator Arm), that way they could take steps without the use of knee joints.
The forward-facing legs take turns telescoping in and out while the back-facing leg acts as a support.
I got the idea from my Zoids, many of which are Dinosaur-shaped, motorised toys that assume the outdated "Kangaroo" stance with a dragging tail. So the legs take turns stepping forward while the tail provides balance for the toy.
So the O.G Fighting Machines could compensate for their lack of knees with telescoping legs. Granted Zoid legs do not "Telescope" in this way but some of the parts of the legs will seem to recess back into the bulk of the legs to allow the Zoid to move.
i never really questioned the build and movement of the TriP's... now it can't be unseen (without really causing any real bother tho^^ And to be fair, starting with a 'sloppy milk-stool' description, wells could have considered that it'll stick in the mind of his readers, no matter how detailed and physically sound his descriptions get on later pages.
artists and their babies, i guess. similar to kubrick and king. i get that he disliked(some say hated^^) the (semi-massive ) changes in the movie adaptation. but i'm happy that kubrick did what he did. anyhooooo... nice video.
Thank you! :D And yeah you make really good points! If the illustrator could've gotten the wrong impression of the machines from the text then so could the readers.
His art really captures the horror of the story from what I’ve seen. Like you said, he portrays the death, destruction and anguish the martians being really well. All the art with people in fear or pain is really effective. I really like the tentacles and menacing dome of the tripods, but I have to admit the legs look a little goofy. Goble’s Martians also do a good job capturing the source material while also looking uncanny and creepy.
Goble's original artwork for The War of the Worlds was, in fact, used between 1898 and 2015. It appeared in a 1978 collection of H.G. Wells' stories that was published by Castle Books in the USA. That collection also uses Goble's illustrations for In The Abyss.
I've always wondered if Cosmo Rowe had been intended as the original illustrator for The War of the Worlds. He was illustrating another H.G. Wells' work, Stories of the Stone Age, at the same time. This work was published in May - November 1897 issues of The Idler magazine, which would have conflicted with the timeline of the Pearson's Magazine's issues for The War of the Worlds (April - December 1897). BTW, he provided two illustrations for The War of the Worlds.
this is my theory on how this version of the tripods move:
the triangular thing at the top is like a ballast and the wide end of it is really heavy, so they spin the triangular thing at the top of the tripod to tilt the tripod in the direction they want to move and rotate it again so it off sets the tripod and makes it take a step. it would also explain why MOST of the time the wide end of the triangle is pointed in the direction of the tripods tilt. but that is just my theory.
sorry for explaining my idea really poorly it makes more sense in my head.
There's a number of illustrated comic style adaptations of War of the Worlds you should look into and their depictions of the tripods. Classics Illustrated being foremost among them.
My favorite tripod interpretation is from the 1970’s Marvel Classics Comics (not to be confused with the Marvel Classics Illustrated). I particularly liked the head shape that was reminiscent of the 1950’s Pal version.
That milk stool comparison was horrible. What was H.G thinking? Lol. Great video!
If one wishes to mentally retcon them, it's possible to conceive of the 'rigid' zig-zag strengthening of the legs as actually being springs, while the outer struts of the scaffold-like leg are actually telescopic, or somewhat so. This way, the legs act rather more as did the landing gear on a 20thC aeroplane, with multiple struts producing a tall triangle for strength, but fitted with springs to allow compressive shock absorption along with a degree of lateral movement.
Thus, the walking motion can still be stiff, but the impetus comes from the limited range of oscillation and compression in each of the legs. This way, you can have a stiff, odd-looking walking movement which is still very much self-sustaining and under control. And because human and animal limbs are not longitudinally compressible, it looks horribly unnatural to our eyes.
At the 6:00 mark, I would imagine the legs retracting in and out with each step, like the slide on a slide trombone.
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For the dancing Tripod let us see it do the Slickback Jubi Slide in a video someday.
Goble’s Tripods look pretty nice ngl but i just hate the legs.
Wells has a great description of Martian limb design and articulation in the book. The humans can see the incredibly delicate yet robust components (cables and discs) in the limb, but can't get their heads around how it's powered, and especially, how it's so finely controlled, adding to the horror that mankind is technologically out of its league. The post-war analysis also confirms this (a static heat-ray is fired at a test facility, destroying half of a factory building in the process).
When i first saw this i was like: where's the tripod i only see a water tower
05:40. Tbh...I thought that was how they moved. They spun around like a stool. Switching legs as it spun in a circle and slightly off kilter.
I actually like the idea of them spinning around to move
Proof that OG does not always equal quality
Watertowers come to life 😮
Yeah, that's pretty much a great way to describe them basically. :)
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The thing that bugs me is that the machines were described as having the Martian in a hood, not some sort of capsule. There was a Penguin edition that I had decades ago that I no longer have, and cannot find an image of, that showed a hood on top of the tripod. Wells refers to the hood turning this way and that as the Martians look for new targets.
I always thought the Correa designs looked silly but I see it was much worse before that.
I don't know if it's a great insult or a compliment, that they were so bad Wells had to make it canon to disregard that design.
Could it be that Goble's machine maneuvered on two legs and only needed the third when at rest?
Artist: Fine. Mr. Wells. Since you dont like any dipiction of the Martians that has been done so far, why dont you describe them to me of hiw you see them in your mind and I will draw it right here.
H.G. Wells: Very well, I will then. (Gives description of martians)
Artist: Uh..Mr. Wells. The description you gave me seems to be that of a German soldier.
H.G. Wells: Perfect.
I think how it walks is there is a lose magnet in the grey ring that goes around inside of it which would kind of launch it by foot
Admittedly I do like the evil BBQ appliances design wise… outside of the legs, the legs to me just look like they tried to pull a “pirate with all peg legs” for lack of better words. Personally I’d have the legs have elbows but that’s just my idea. Frankly the leg thing is in of itself a bit of a goofy nitpick since the rest of it I actually really like for being (as another commenter put it) steampunk-like, it could fit well in a high fantasy/steampunk medieval (or pure steampunk) setting, if not perfectly.
Infact while weighting this, I’ve had an idea of how the tripods COULD move via pulling one leg in, move it forward, and out, rinse and repeat. But I’m not the original artist, so it’s only (for lack of better words) headcanon.
This is no way me trying to discredit or mock Goble’s machines. Because again they have a sort of “old yet modern” look, as if these machines are just from a time they’ve long since left and they sent them out simply because they want to see these BBQ sets used. It also helps that goble’s method of drawing with the “in your face” method, makes these almost oppressive despite their aged designs.
Un ironically, if someone was to make another War of the Worlds RTS game, these could be the Martian builder unit or the basis for a rebellion or civilian army using tripods not meant for war.
Correa Tripod: I am a mech used by the martians to destroy humans and spread red weed
Goble Tripod: I am a water tower/barbecue grill that does Micheal Jackson poses
What makes you think it was in color…most if not all illustrations of the original book were done in ink and water paint black and white
What i would think of them is that the aliens watched humans build civilization for hundreds of years and built a tripod that would blend in with human industrialization.
How do these things walk
I imagined the Martian technology to look vary steam punk
Didnt Wells narrator disdainfully compare Gobles tripods to 'stiff milking stools' in his revised version of WOTW..?
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Why was the title changed? Just asking for curiosity!
I've changed it a few times, was never quite satisfied with it. This time was to bring it in line with my War Machines video.
@@pupbenny Ah mk! ^^
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What’s the 2nd oldest adaptation
Tbh they would probably fall down before it could have the chance to walk
They look like giant grill
They'd make an amazing burger. XD Forget quarter-pounder or half-pounder, Goble's Tripods would make a full-pounder.
@@pupbenny we will "goble" up the burgers
@@Kreanke LOL YES!!!!
Isn't those the trippies that made Wells rage and troll the drawer latter?
RIP War wick Goo Balls
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cool
make a video on the 2005 wotw
I intend to eventually. :)
@@pupbennythanks man
The martian fighting machine like grill pot
this shit looks like a walking BBQ Grill xd
Honestly, I hate these designs. I prefer the later depictions.
Wells vastly prefered the art of corrêas
IDK
bro why did it look like a grill
Еще эти треножники выглядят очень примитивно. Обратите внимание на то, что находится вокруг корпуса машин - это краны с веревками и крюками... Гибкие щупальца смотрятся неуместно как будто сняты с другой гораздо более сложной машины) Очень странный дизайн, совершенно не соответствует статусу сверх развитой цивилизации))
Действительно, очень необычно! Каким-то образом у них жесткие ноги, но гибкие щупальца, в этом нет особого смысла. Вы делаете очень хорошее замечание!))
In many ways I prefer these to the Alvim Correa versions. The legs are quite stiff, yes, but they don't have the ridiculous giant eyes and conical hats that the tripods in Correa's drawings do.
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Warwick gobles illustrations of war of the worlds are more better than alvim Correas version to me
I definitely think they're really underrated!
Disagree.
I strongly disagree.
I think the complete opposite. I’m on HG Wells side, tbh. The Correa tripods are better.
@@ShinGhidorah17 i dont like the "eyes" and "roof" of the correa design... honestly put the dome of Gobles on correas legs and i think its my favorite of the original version.
If this was written 2000 years ago the same delusional people who think the bible is true might even believe this was true and gospel. Make it make sense