Soul Reaver - Unused and "Deleted" Dialogue
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- čas přidán 7. 02. 2010
- As many of you undoubtedly know, Soul Reaver was originally to have a different ending than what it ended up with, and there was also to be more to the Human Citadel than there ended up being. While these elements were cut from the game much of the related dialogue was still included on the disc. This video contains the majority of that unused dialogue, as much of it as I was able to determine.
Also on the disc are a lot of retakes of the same dialogue, including about 4 to 6 versions of "I am destroyed" and a different version of the voice over from the opening FMV (including alternate versions of several of those lines). None of these were included in this video, but I may make another one later featuring them. - Hry
It's weird to hear Elder God talk shit about Moebius.
You know what would be cool? If they included this ending in a remaster… as a _bad end_ where the Elder God wins and Raziel realizes too late that he was deceived.
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and turn into a dragon
I would like to see a full remaster of the series, incorporating the cut content. Using dialogue from Soul Reaver 2 and Blood Omen 2, you could have Raziel realise the Elder God's evil, then after the Silenced Cathedral return to the chronoplast and set it in motion himself, travelling back to the Sarafan era to create a new timeline where Kain survives.
Wouldnt have to be as the creators stated regardless of the outcome,soul reaver 2 would have had raziel go back in time
@@VITAS874 Alduin
@GaryMc10 Yeah, oriinally the Kain battle at the Chronoplast wasn't the end of the game. Raziel would gain the Shift at Will ability from Kain, which would then let him enter a new area in the human city where he would fight the Priestess, gaining the Mind Control ability, which would give him access to Turel's teritory. From the Turel battle he would proceed to Kain's Mountain Retreat for the final battle with Kain. At some point Ariel would present herself for absorption into the Reaver.
This dialogue increases my lust to play the remastered soul revenant SOOO MUCH. the final part suggests a really really cool end bout for Raziel in SR1. and revealing that the time chamber fight with Kain was only a MID-GAME BOSS? wow..just wow...why cut that's**t...just...WHY
Time. Their deadline was coming up too fast to get it all finished in time. Especially since a section in the human Citadel leading to the Priestess boss fight was completely broken and they couldn't figure out why or how to fix it.
Personally, I prefer what we got far more than what this suggests, at least ending wise.
@@xyex I thought they didn't have a deadline. That it's a team of only 6 people and that's why it's gone so slow. I've been in touch with the team recently and their work is still on going but very slow 😕
@@Mr.Bishop2808 Was referring to the original CD team and SR1. The content cut from the original was done to meet the deadline imposed by Eidos. They'd already gotten pushed back because of the issues with Silicon Knights, they couldn't delay any further. So, chopped.
@@xyex ah now I see 😅 I'm just mad cause they cut out 2 whole boss fights. I'm a bit of a Turel fanboy when I learned his fight was inaccessible from recently replaying the game I got well mad. I know he's not a terribly compelling character but you know you want something that much more when you can't have it 🤣
@@Mr.Bishop2808 3 whole boss fights were cut. Priestess, Turel, and Kain's final battle.
Oh how I wish to live in an alternate reality where all of this made it to the full game. I can just imagine how fun the game would be with so many new abilities and things to do.
Ahhh, they had so many good ideas...
I just like listening to Tony Jay talk more.
Thanks so much for this video mate. Really nice job. :-)
Always was and is and will be truly awesome!
oh what soul reaver could have been :(
honestly I like how it was changed. the sequels afterward's stories were fantastic. gameplay mabie a bit basic, but I loved every shakespearian scene chewing moment of the dialogue throughout the series.
@@CloudHiro I agree, I think that if we had gotten the game with this unused dialog, it might only have been a single game.
But in my opinion it hadn't hurt to add Turel and the priestess. I was wondering in the game which role does the citadel of the humans play. With the dialogue of the priestess I know the answer.
Sure when Turel was in SR1 he won't appear in SR3 but then the producers would come up with another idea.
I like also how it ends (Kain escaped into the past), but at least they could add Turel and the priestess into the game so that the game didn't feel unfinished.
Melchior Agreed. I’ve loved the game since I was a child, but always felt unsatisfied at not defeating all of Raziel’s brothers and not getting all abilities/forges and not knowing what the point of going to the human citadel was outside of getting the water wave ability. I do agree that the ending was cool though, even though the last battle with kain is kinda cheap if you can’t use a controller. The game is just easier in general with a controller.
Gosh there's so much... it's so cool to hear the extra voice lines. Halfway glad that we didn't get Kain's power to enter the material plane at will because I totally used the placement of the portals to help me if I got stuck hahah
We get to play all this soon guys!!!!! CAN'T WAIT!! :D
We will get to do WHAT?!?!!
What are you talking about?! Please do tell!
someone is restoring deleted areas to make them playable
@@buddhag4172 Who? do you know?
czcams.com/video/aALarJayOWE/video.html
While the voice work is amazing to listen to, as always, I am glad they went the SR2 and Defiance path instead. The story ended up being much deeper and more epic. It's still unforgettable after two decades ❤
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3:22 "Let me pass turel! I had enough blood on my hands today" did Raziel just asked to spare turel? damn, he probably cared for him even a bit, he didn't think twice about killing the others.
It's more like, he finally had a moment to cool off and figured "Hey, why am I murdering everyone indiscriminately, Kain is the one who ordered them to toss me into the Abyss. Perhaps I should focus my rage on him."
@@TheKain202nah. His brothers did nothing to stand up for Raziel, and Dumah and Turel cast him into the abyss personally. I think Raziel had some respect for Turel that he didn't have for the others.
This is one of those weird instances where it was good they couldn't do everything they wanted, this ending would of finished the series and doesn't have anywhere near the level of depth that we ended up getting.
You're joking right...that ending sounds EPIC. imagine beating Kain for the 2nd time in the time chamber and knowing you're still only half way through + we only herd the dialogue, and can only imagine the visuals, and I imagine something incredible ^_^
Amy Henning confirmed the series would have continued if the game was finished properly. Raziel would exterminate the vampires then learn he was just a pawn of the Elder God in the game after leading to him using Moebius' Timestreaming Device to fix his mistake.
@@galten7361 It's one of those hindsight's 20/20 things where it really makes you wonder how the story would have turned out had they went the original direction. What we got was a masterpiece and no doubt if they went the original route, that would have been a masterpiece too. It just makes you wonder if aspects like Raziel's ultimate fate, would that have been in the original plan to enter the reaver?
One of those neat things to think about.
@Irfan Alddin See:
www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-08-17-as-legacy-of-kain-soul-reaver-turns-20-lets-remember-why-it-was-brilliant
>"Originally, Raziel was going to hunt down and destroy all of his
former brothers as well as Kain - and then, using his newly-acquired
abilities, he would've activated the long-dormant pipes of the Silenced
Cathedral to wipe out the remaining vampires of Nosgoth with a sonic
blast," Hennig said.
>"Only then would he realise he'd been the Elder God's pawn all along, that the purging of the vampires had devastating consequences, and that the only way to set things right would be to use Moebius' time-streaming device to go back in time and alter history (in the sequel).
>"So the story would have arrived at a similar place, just by a different
route. In the end, as much as I hated its bluntness, Soul Reaver's 'To
Be Continued' ending probably turned out to be a blessing in disguise,
because I think it opened up more interesting story options for the
sequels."
@Irfan Alddin It's directly from Amy henning herself, so that's no fan fiction. Raziel does INDEED care about the consequences of his actions, and by the end of Defiance he sacrifices himself to cleanse Kain of corruption, leading to the potential restoration of the Pillars through new, untainted vampire guardians. The vampires never used Raziel as a pawn, insofar that they didn't try to orchestrate his destiny like the Elder God and Hylden. They merely foresaw Raziel's coming and his role in Nosgoth. They only knew he was supposed to be its savior.
Raziel is one of the most moral and noble characters in the whole series. He would never be indifferent
Perfect.
theres a dialogue missing i cant find anywhere where raziel says something similar to "Strike me down and ill rise again kain" referring to him being immortal when he confronted kain
So Raziel gets his revenge by killing Kain and his other leutenants and restores balance to the world and lets the Wheel spin by committing genocide on the vampires. A HAPPY ENDING!
(cont.) Then, with the Spirit Reaver you could kill Kain, absorb *him* into the Reaver, and gain the Kain Reaver, the strongest Reaver in the game. At which point you would retern to the Silenced Cathedral, work your way to the top of it, and use the sounding pipes there to destroy all the remaining vampires in Nosgoth.
Kind of glad it didn't go that way
@@clarkb2697 if it go that way we would not have defiance and soul reaver 2
If a reboot were made, an interesting idea would be that Raziel be presented with two choices with its respective endings. Either side with Kain or side with the Elder God. What do you think?
Actually each game has a "double sided coin" choice.
BO1 - it is the starting point.
It's just SR1 decided to omit those due to time constrains,
SR2 is JUST a continuation to SR 1, so the choice you made in SR1 would be continued
(I'd call "Soul Reaver" 1 - chapter "Soul Revenant" and "Soul Reaver" 2 - chapter "Soul Reaver").
Defiance starts with both endings being what they are - both Kain and Raziel don't do what the "fate" has for them.
And as for BO2? I'd rather put it after all other games.
Since after BO2 one can snuck in Dark Prophecy / some Shifter-esque spin-off to get the Hylden side of the turning coin filled with another protagonist, who's gonna "participate" in DP.
@@thekinggamer488 not true,amy henig stated before soul reaver 2 would've still happened,in the original script raziel realized that the elder god manipulated him(which you can hear part of at the end of this video) so he uses the chronoplast to go back and find a better way to save nosgoth. It actually makes more sense that way as in the released sr2 he just gives up on killing kain without a proper reasoning to do so while he would of had a reason with the cut content
Someone restore SR1's Cut Content into the game please❤❤❤
They need to re-release Soul Reaver 1 to current hardware with all it's glory. 1:34 explain why Raziel can shift into the material realm without the conduit.
So if the game ended with kain dead before the first ending Mortainus reasons for turning kain would never be clear that whole line " it had to be done" is meaningless
As it stood in the original game, Mortainius turned Kain to purge the circle so that Pillars could be restored. It wasn't until later games that the corruption of the circle gained more nuance. Plus Silicon Knights, the actual developers of the original Blood Omen, had their own plans for the series that would have gone entirely different from what Crystal Dynamics did with it. But the publishing deal SK signed with CD gave CD the IP rights so SK couldn't make another Blood Omen.
Worked out for the best, I think. While there is no way of knowing what SK's Blood Omen franchise would have been, or what Shifter could have become if not turned into a LoK title, the LoK we got was great and SK took it's scrapped BO2 and reworked it into Eternal Darkness for the GameCube.
@@xyex but crystal dynamics put this story in a big arc that it never got out of I guess its more of a salvation arc cause every event after BO1 and Soul reaver is just about dealing with the aftermath of the pillars destruction And trying to figure out the how's and whys edit but you can clearly see how the plot got messed up by seeing characters that are owned by Sk in soul reaver 2 and defiance
gimme HD Remake Collection ffs! i dont want your open world rpgs and call of duty! i want good linear storytelling... free will is an illusion
Seconded! we'll never get it though -_- not enough revenue in a reboot for an underappreciated franchise like LoK.
Honestly?
I'm glad it was cut. Wouldn't have gotten Defiance if they'd gone with such a seemingly conclusive narrative as this.
@Xyex I'm so glad they changed that. This game series wouldn't be half as good if it just ended like that. I love these games - all of them (well, maybe not blood omen 2 :p) and that kitsch shit would've totally ruined it for me.