12:50 - you were talking about "connective tissue" and that reminded me of "lig" from "ligament" and from "religion", and it means those fibers that tie a body together. Same root. Also, it's related to "mucilage" (which is related to "meek"). "Mucilage" is the older word for "emulsifier", which allows oil and water to combine instead of separating. Also, "mucilage" is the old term for the fluid in our cartilage and in our joints that keep them supple. We now call it "synovial fluid".
@@JamecBond Maybe take another thought about man and woman, same species, same elements! Oil and water are materially in opposition, men + women become one (not without friction!) to make an other.
38:45 -- Maybe we are so fragile today because we lack awareness of our own sins? We do not actively seek them out to know them at all but are in a constant cycle of self gratification, rather than denial. We seek our own pleasure and comforts and congratulate ourselves for not being as despicable as "those people". Perhaps an awareness of our own sins would help grow us up and be less crushed by the faults of another.
It warms my heart to hear that Richard is a fellow Hector fanboy. I too am a Hector fan so much so that my eldest son has him has his namesake. God willing he will live up to it and honor him.
Hey! I'm from Belgium and Godfroy de Bouillon is very famous around here ^^ Like a lot of kids from the extended area, I went to visit his castle in Buoillon in a school trip.
The Septuagint as “the director’s cut” lol brilliant. The Indian queen had a son, whom she named Alexander, we don’t know who his father was 😂 Alexander being a very common Indian name in that period
Godfrey of Bouillon was, if I remember correctly, the only lord of the 1st Crusade who did not make a false oath of loyalty to Alexius Comnenus. He shines brighter when compared to the Norman from Sicily, Bohemond.
Something I noticed during the video, each of the worthies basically represent the Golden Age and decline of their respective time periods: Hector begins the golden age of the Greek world Alexander sustains and expands it Caesar is the last huzzah before the decline Joshua begins the golden age of a Hebrew kingdom David (and Solomon) expand it Judas Maccabeus is the last great before its decline Arthur is the prototypical knight Charlemagne converted more Europeans to Christianity than just about anyone Godfrey of Bouillon lead the First and most successful Crusade with each successive one being a greater failure.
The parallel with David speaking of the ark is God turning his sin into justice. Like how his descendants would be chastened by God, but also redeemed by lovingkindness. IE: David's mistakes are reversed into good/justice but can only be seen in hindsight. (Moses can only see God from the back.)
As I understand the three Christian worthies are all Catholic as well as the female version they are Catholic Saints , the whole idea is a Catholic one ....thank you for highlighting this interesting topic Tolkien would be pleased ......
Because he is more of a hero for the modern times. I believe his story resonates more with our modernity, circa the American Revolution, discerning the problem of tyranny and democracy in modern republics. The Classical world was mostly Monarchic and so uninterested in that (if a good ruler relinquishes power, allowing for bad rulers to succeed him, then he is not exemplary) that explains why we now don't like Caesar because he brought down the Republic and started the Empire, he is too anti-democratic for our modern eyes, but he was a hero for the Classical world. For instance, I am from Latin America. My language and culture is basically Roman by inheritance, and yet I only learned about Cincinnatus through American sources. In Latin America we still consider Julius Caesar to be a hero (even though we are republics atm, but we have a tense relationship with that system, lots of military coups and popular leaders seizing power). In Latin America, the stories we prefer are the origin cycle of Rome with Romulus and Remus and then the whole arch of Julius Caesar and his end, then we skip to the Fall of Rome and the Dark Middle Ages to accommodate our love of the French Revolution and its anti-Catholic fervour (YES, despite being mostly Catholics, that is why the US is the world power and we its sorry backyard, we don't even know who we are in a conscious way and so unable to know our own interests and articulate policies around them, in an unconscious way I'd say we mostly retain some of the ancient religiosity Richard and Jonathan fawn upon, though with the rise of US induced Protestant churches, that might change in the future)
Now I am curious about the nine later female worthies Rohlin touched upon. Would Cornelia, daughter of Scipio Africanus be one of them ("Where are your jewels, Cornelia?" "Those are my jewels (pointing at her sons Gaius and Tiberius)")? How were the Gracchi brothers viewed in the middle ages?
On Charlemagne and the criticism of venerating icons: most ordinary folk in the West still venerated images and especially statues. Touching and kissing the feet, particularly. Definitely did exist a bad strand of thought which led to the protestants, however
As a Catholic and Medieval Ages enthusiast since my earliest memory I love just the kind of content Jonathan and Richard put out, but East gotta stick it to the West I guess.
I've always seen the Nine Worthies as a subject ripe for a new form (of course not a subversive one). The concept has a cut off point from when it solidified in the latter Medieval period that could be readily expanded.
Would be really interested to hear your interpretation of the new James Bond movie.. the symbolism is pretty and I don’t have anyone to talk about it with! 😅
That was very interesting! I never heard about "The Nine Worthies" (as a topos - I knew all these characters singularly) and was glad to learn about this concept! Are you planning to talk also about the Nine Worthy Women? I'd gladly listen to it, as these women are less known to me than these male heroes.
Spoiler alert regarding That Hideous Strength which I just re-read: I love the topsy-turvy way the forces of darkness condemn themselves by assuming that Merlin will be on their side if they wake him up 😆 a great Secular-Superhero story
Chesterton talks about this in the context of story telling in his essay "Tom Jones and Morality." The "theoretical" morality of the stories of the worthies was well grounded and coherent to their socio-religious culture and order. Perhaps, medievals telling these stories were willing to see people in their stories as flawed because it positively reinforced that even the very best were lost souls need Christ's grace for this reason. Richard's comment that we are so weak today might be rephrased as "We are losing the coherence between our theoretical morality and our practiced morality."
Spot on good point. I'm fairly sure for Richard and Jonathan the observation of our society's loss of that coherence is very in-your-face blatantly obvious. Jonathan has made reference to it in other videos, in his own charming way.
As a Belgian, Godfrey is very well known to me. A man refusing to be crowned King of Jerusalem out of respect to the King of Kings is such a gigachad. No wonder he made the list!
It was really great, extremely interesting. Makes me sad that there's no way we ever gonna see a movie about these knights without the focus being on some amazon kicking Hector's ass ( despite them fighting against the same enimy) or some form of degenerate modern feminism. So, Jonathan, since you guys are already on the crusades, how about talking about the whole idea of courtois culture, the Cathars and the gnosticism-and how it was all symbolic? Would be great!
Just curious, but what is it about women who want equality with men, same freedom, same pay, etc. that so appalls you? Or is it just the 'degenerate forms of feminism', whatever that is?
@@minnjony Seeking equality with men is ridiculously delusional and it makes women weak. It kills true femininity, which in turn kills true masculinity. All we are left with is a population of hybrid freaks. Not my cuppa tea.
22:53 this moment about hunger for expression of proper masculinity rhymes well with this video: "Why Aragorn is an epitome of masculinity" czcams.com/video/FFiv4w6y_u0/video.html
Is that 17th cent? retelling/summary Richard is quoting from available in an online source? Or anyway what is that source or another (late) medieval (preferably English, Latin or German) source for the 9?
What I think it's very telling of a modern mindset/worldview is that you guys make this whole stream about "the sacred in secular spaces" but don't actually acknowledge the main characteristic that gives them such rank as "worthies" of wielding power. What I'm talking about is that, while most of what you said is true, what makes them great leader is that fact that these figures were all deeply pious men, that sought to organise society according to their religion; they constructed and funded the construction os temples and supported the spiritual/religious authorities of their respective civilisations while also applying sacred law to the peoples they ruled, which are the main functions of temporal power according to the traditional point of view. It might be uncomfortable for Christians to admit that these revered men were deeply pious in the adoration of their pagan gods, but that's the reality, and that was the main virtue in all of them. What is absolutely denouncing of a modern mindset though is this over emphasizing on their "mercy"... Justice and ruthlessness is just as much as a virtue as mercy, when properly ordered, and these men were considered great just as much for their ruthlessness on the eradication of their enemies (which from the particular point of view of each's civilisations embodied an ontological evil) as for their mercy. And I'm not even going to begin to comment on the debacle that this turned to at the end, with the ludicrous idea that such stories started to arise because of the decadence of Western Christianity in relation to its Eastern counterpart; I find it hard to believe that you guys really think the lost Grail represented the schism. This is a hilariously, ridiculously biased interpretation that has no basis in historical fact or on the mentality of westerners at this time whatsoever (and certainly has no basis in regard to what these stories actually mean and their origins).
Correct me if I’m wrong but this group just seems like the medieval Christendom version of the Saptarishi or Seven Sages concept from the ancient world. Or at least in the same milieu.
I don't know why Pope Benedict would've said that the West never fully accepted the 7th ecumenical council; to my knowledge Pope Hadrian I. immediately reprimanded Charlemagne (who by the way got delivered a faulty translation of the canons!!), and the Greek Catholic Churches celebrate the defeat of iconoclasm as the Triumph of Orthodoxy. Also st. John Damascene is a Doctor of the Church in the Catholic Church.
Enjoyed this podcast a lot. I have been thinking on Revelation 5, and its strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book and look thereon? No one being found worthy, of course, in the established religious, political, and economic institutions, of themselves, but the certain totemic bases of the Lord as Lion of Tribe of Juda, Root of David, and Lamb slain as it stood, as these - in my view - orient the religious and political institutions or figures of priest and king in recorded history - (hence, the ten thousand times ten thousand, as relating to the Paleo-Oriental and Neolithic rise of agriculture and urban life creating the most Ancient Civilizations of the Middle and Near East, within the millenarianism of the prophetic vision implicit to the thousands of thousands) - upon the certain seeing or visionary, and thereby already epical and ethnographic as well as overall prophetic bases, establishing the religious and political institutions or figures otherwise of shaman and chief in the hunting and gathering societies of prehistory. This becomes - in chapter 10, and such millenarian features of vision, establishing a certain world regional ascent like those previously of the kingdoms of Western Europe - the open book held, and the figurative stand on the waters of such New World migrations and colonization like our own, or Rome before, whereby the angel - in anticipation of the democratic revolutions, or nationalistic lions to popularly come - seals up the thunders - like Gottfried, it seems to me - at such millenarian feudal heights; and so that he then held up his hand to heaven as it were - as such newly universal heights to come once again, like Rome before - in his refusal to be crowned King of Jerusalem - since Christ had a crown of shame, and was to wear the crown, himself, when he came once again. Those worthies, therefore - (and like John’s water of such New World migrations implied by Asia Minor and the Greeks with Hector, and by Alexander in concerns of the Greeks and the Romans, and then by Julius Caesar in relation to Western Europe; and the then differing levels of nationalism implied by Joshua, King David, and Judas of Maccabees in concerns of the blood ethnographically; and finally, of the Christian Spirit, in such then Western European focuses in the newly historic advance to come with our own New World now, in concerns of Arthur and Kennedy’s Camelot Years as a Roman Catholic crowning of the previous three and a half centuries of Protestant advance, while our Lady Liberty is the Lady of the Lake, bringing forth Excalibur as the two edged sword drawn by Christ out of white stones if you will like Plymouth Rock, having the new name of Jesus Christ doctrinally written upon it in judgment; and Charlemagne, in turn, who then began the literate cultivation once more of Western Europe, becoming a later regicide with the French Revolution and atheism, whereby The King is Dead!, though he is born anew by the Lord, in such New Worlds and newly universal heights, in relation to the Kingdoms to come therein, hence, Long Live the King!, when that Civilization, as with Rome before, collapses into a Dark Age in judgment) - lead to Gottfried, as said, as the figure of Revelation 10, at once looking back to the Lord in his previous shaming, and forward to such a truly Divine Kingdom to come through him, at his next appearing, at such, as said, eventually once again universal heights.
When they were talking about Godfrey of Bouillon, it reminded me of a great movie called "Kingdom of Heaven". I looked it up and the credits list the character as Godfrey de Ibelin (played by Liam Neeson). Can anyone confirm if the movie character is based on Godfrey of Bouillon? The movie is amazing and impactful. Highly recommend.
Liam Neeson's character seems to serve just as a story element, very loosely based on historical sources and while you'd find historical information about the House of Ibelin, it would be hard to find anything particular about Godfrey of this house. If you read a bit more about Godfrey de Bouillon, it becames clear that these are different characters: Liam Neeson's character never becomes a ruler and dies in a small fight in a forest. The action of this movie takes place around years 1184-1187. On the other hand, Godfrey de Bouillon was a known historical character, ruler of Kingdom of Jerusalem, died in 1100. Hope this helps :)
Henry leworthy my ancestor fought and was captured by napoleon bonapart escaped 10 years later , 2 days ago I found out my other grandad s family fouracres is related to George Washington, I'm writing a book already I've done 4 but all this is more I must investigate I'm mojothepyrutt
12:50 - you were talking about "connective tissue" and that reminded me of "lig" from "ligament" and from "religion", and it means those fibers that tie a body together. Same root. Also, it's related to "mucilage" (which is related to "meek"). "Mucilage" is the older word for "emulsifier", which allows oil and water to combine instead of separating. Also, "mucilage" is the old term for the fluid in our cartilage and in our joints that keep them supple. We now call it "synovial fluid".
Cool. Thx for this comment
Yes. I learned this term through John Heers’ podcast “Why are we talking about Rabbits?” So good.
Oil and water....man and woman....
@@JamecBond Maybe take another thought about man and woman, same species, same elements! Oil and water are materially in opposition, men + women become one (not without friction!) to make an other.
Neat comment
38:45 -- Maybe we are so fragile today because we lack awareness of our own sins? We do not actively seek them out to know them at all but are in a constant cycle of self gratification, rather than denial. We seek our own pleasure and comforts and congratulate ourselves for not being as despicable as "those people". Perhaps an awareness of our own sins would help grow us up and be less crushed by the faults of another.
I always hated history in high school. This is unbelievably awesome!!!
Same!
It warms my heart to hear that Richard is a fellow Hector fanboy. I too am a Hector fan so much so that my eldest son has him has his namesake. God willing he will live up to it and honor him.
Hey! I'm from Belgium and Godfroy de Bouillon is very famous around here ^^ Like a lot of kids from the extended area, I went to visit his castle in Buoillon in a school trip.
Wonderful. Richard is a great story -teller.
53:10 "This is actually also in the Bible if you have the Director's Cut version of the Bible" lol
That is indeed a expression I am going to steal ha ha
The Septuagint as “the director’s cut” lol brilliant. The Indian queen had a son, whom she named Alexander, we don’t know who his father was 😂 Alexander being a very common Indian name in that period
Godfrey of Bouillon was, if I remember correctly, the only lord of the 1st Crusade who did not make a false oath of loyalty to Alexius Comnenus. He shines brighter when compared to the Norman from Sicily, Bohemond.
None of them did. Commenus was the one who broke the pact.
Something I noticed during the video, each of the worthies basically represent the Golden Age and decline of their respective time periods:
Hector begins the golden age of the Greek world
Alexander sustains and expands it
Caesar is the last huzzah before the decline
Joshua begins the golden age of a Hebrew kingdom
David (and Solomon) expand it
Judas Maccabeus is the last great before its decline
Arthur is the prototypical knight
Charlemagne converted more Europeans to Christianity than just about anyone
Godfrey of Bouillon lead the First and most successful Crusade with each successive one being a greater failure.
Yooo I made a post about the Symbolism of Superheroes in the Facebook group 3 days ago and you two come up with this?? Nice!
What the name of the group ?
@@CourtesyPhone "The Symbolic World within the Zombie Invasion"
The parallel with David speaking of the ark is God turning his sin into justice. Like how his descendants would be chastened by God, but also redeemed by lovingkindness. IE: David's mistakes are reversed into good/justice but can only be seen in hindsight. (Moses can only see God from the back.)
Doesn't Charlemagnes grandfather, Charles Martel, call himself "the Hammer" after Judas Maccabeus?
Yes! We should have mentioned that.
The Hammer of Abdools
Thanks!
I would love to hear about the fourteen holy helpers
Thank you so much for these talks. Fascinating indeed, these ripple patterns of resonance.
This talk has me wondering if certain political figures and world leaders have studied these patterns and used them…
So good!!! Can’t wait for next one
Wow, just wow! Such a superb video. Thank you both.
Been waiting! :) Love this series!!!!!
These are incredible conversations y'all have
Love your guys conversations, also time stamps!
Love these. Y’all are so cool. Thank you
As I understand the three Christian worthies are all Catholic as well as the female version they are Catholic Saints , the whole idea is a Catholic one ....thank you for highlighting this interesting topic Tolkien would be pleased ......
Thanks for keeping me in school, boys. Love these videos. 👍🏻
I love this history videos. Keep going and upload more frequently
Loved every second of the talk
I so appreciate you guys sharing your depth
I’m surprised Cincinnatus wasn’t considered the perfect/ideal Roman man
Because he is more of a hero for the modern times. I believe his story resonates more with our modernity, circa the American Revolution, discerning the problem of tyranny and democracy in modern republics. The Classical world was mostly Monarchic and so uninterested in that (if a good ruler relinquishes power, allowing for bad rulers to succeed him, then he is not exemplary) that explains why we now don't like Caesar because he brought down the Republic and started the Empire, he is too anti-democratic for our modern eyes, but he was a hero for the Classical world.
For instance, I am from Latin America. My language and culture is basically Roman by inheritance, and yet I only learned about Cincinnatus through American sources. In Latin America we still consider Julius Caesar to be a hero (even though we are republics atm, but we have a tense relationship with that system, lots of military coups and popular leaders seizing power). In Latin America, the stories we prefer are the origin cycle of Rome with Romulus and Remus and then the whole arch of Julius Caesar and his end, then we skip to the Fall of Rome and the Dark Middle Ages to accommodate our love of the French Revolution and its anti-Catholic fervour (YES, despite being mostly Catholics, that is why the US is the world power and we its sorry backyard, we don't even know who we are in a conscious way and so unable to know our own interests and articulate policies around them, in an unconscious way I'd say we mostly retain some of the ancient religiosity Richard and Jonathan fawn upon, though with the rise of US induced Protestant churches, that might change in the future)
Now I am curious about the nine later female worthies Rohlin touched upon. Would Cornelia, daughter of Scipio Africanus be one of them ("Where are your jewels, Cornelia?" "Those are my jewels (pointing at her sons Gaius and Tiberius)")? How were the Gracchi brothers viewed in the middle ages?
On Charlemagne and the criticism of venerating icons: most ordinary folk in the West still venerated images and especially statues. Touching and kissing the feet, particularly. Definitely did exist a bad strand of thought which led to the protestants, however
Kinda lame how the Charlemagne part hardly had anything to do with him and his greatness and devolved into that 😐
As a Catholic and Medieval Ages enthusiast since my earliest memory I love just the kind of content Jonathan and Richard put out, but East gotta stick it to the West I guess.
Fascinating thank you both.
It’d be interesting to see a video on the Bogatyrs and the Kievan Cycle, and how the later Russian stories comment on their pagan traditions.
I've always seen the Nine Worthies as a subject ripe for a new form (of course not a subversive one). The concept has a cut off point from when it solidified in the latter Medieval period that could be readily expanded.
I wish you guys could make these stories into a drama series 😃
Would be really interested to hear your interpretation of the new James Bond movie.. the symbolism is pretty and I don’t have anyone to talk about it with! 😅
Godfrey's title, "Defender of the Holy Sepulcher," rather than King of Jerusalem, speaks volumes.
Can’t say I always agree with everything that is said, but the universal history series is quite interesting
I saw this and yelled "woohoo!" Haha can't wait to listen!
Good afternoon, Mr. Pageau.
U r strong at bringing the truth of our history....just like a hero
That was very interesting! I never heard about "The Nine Worthies" (as a topos - I knew all these characters singularly) and was glad to learn about this concept! Are you planning to talk also about the Nine Worthy Women? I'd gladly listen to it, as these women are less known to me than these male heroes.
Spoiler alert regarding That Hideous Strength which I just re-read: I love the topsy-turvy way the forces of darkness condemn themselves by assuming that Merlin will be on their side if they wake him up 😆 a great Secular-Superhero story
It's not just one, it's two of Caesar's assasins that are in the lowest circles of hell, Brutus and Cassius.
Richard Rohlin “You can go to Arlington National Seminary.” Do you mean Paris Island?
Thanks
@1:14:00 It had to be 9 because of the Lord of the Rings
Chesterton talks about this in the context of story telling in his essay "Tom Jones and Morality." The "theoretical" morality of the stories of the worthies was well grounded and coherent to their socio-religious culture and order. Perhaps, medievals telling these stories were willing to see people in their stories as flawed because it positively reinforced that even the very best were lost souls need Christ's grace for this reason.
Richard's comment that we are so weak today might be rephrased as "We are losing the coherence between our theoretical morality and our practiced morality."
Spot on good point. I'm fairly sure for Richard and Jonathan the observation of our society's loss of that coherence is very in-your-face blatantly obvious. Jonathan has made reference to it in other videos, in his own charming way.
Was watching a TommyKay video.. and you were recommended. No idea who you are. I'll save your video and watch later.
Nice. My nightcap.
Ha i ruptured my achilles tendon on a long board which led me to all this knowledge 😂 hector the true legend ❤❤
As a Belgian, Godfrey is very well known to me. A man refusing to be crowned King of Jerusalem out of respect to the King of Kings is such a gigachad. No wonder he made the list!
Will we get "Dune" review?
It was really great, extremely interesting. Makes me sad that there's no way we ever gonna see a movie about these knights without the focus being on some amazon kicking Hector's ass ( despite them fighting against the same enimy) or some form of degenerate modern feminism. So, Jonathan, since you guys are already on the crusades, how about talking about the whole idea of courtois culture, the Cathars and the gnosticism-and how it was all symbolic? Would be great!
Just curious, but what is it about women who want equality with men, same freedom, same pay, etc. that so appalls you? Or is it just the 'degenerate forms of feminism', whatever that is?
@@minnjony Seeking equality with men is ridiculously delusional and it makes women weak. It kills true femininity, which in turn kills true masculinity. All we are left with is a population of hybrid freaks. Not my cuppa tea.
22:53 this moment about hunger for expression of proper masculinity rhymes well with this video:
"Why Aragorn is an epitome of masculinity"
czcams.com/video/FFiv4w6y_u0/video.html
A social justice channel made a video about how Aragorn is the opposite of "toxic masculinity"
If love to hear more about Aquitaine
Is that 17th cent? retelling/summary Richard is quoting from available in an online source? Or anyway what is that source or another (late) medieval (preferably English, Latin or German) source for the 9?
Yes, I’d be interested in this, too!
What I think it's very telling of a modern mindset/worldview is that you guys make this whole stream about "the sacred in secular spaces" but don't actually acknowledge the main characteristic that gives them such rank as "worthies" of wielding power.
What I'm talking about is that, while most of what you said is true, what makes them great leader is that fact that these figures were all deeply pious men, that sought to organise society according to their religion; they constructed and funded the construction os temples and supported the spiritual/religious authorities of their respective civilisations while also applying sacred law to the peoples they ruled, which are the main functions of temporal power according to the traditional point of view.
It might be uncomfortable for Christians to admit that these revered men were deeply pious in the adoration of their pagan gods, but that's the reality, and that was the main virtue in all of them.
What is absolutely denouncing of a modern mindset though is this over emphasizing on their "mercy"... Justice and ruthlessness is just as much as a virtue as mercy, when properly ordered, and these men were considered great just as much for their ruthlessness on the eradication of their enemies (which from the particular point of view of each's civilisations embodied an ontological evil) as for their mercy.
And I'm not even going to begin to comment on the debacle that this turned to at the end, with the ludicrous idea that such stories started to arise because of the decadence of Western Christianity in relation to its Eastern counterpart; I find it hard to believe that you guys really think the lost Grail represented the schism. This is a hilariously, ridiculously biased interpretation that has no basis in historical fact or on the mentality of westerners at this time whatsoever (and certainly has no basis in regard to what these stories actually mean and their origins).
Owwwww, I want to see the podcast of the 'three worst tyrants'.
I think it will be many, many years, if ever, that women hold the type of power (physical) where they need to be chivalrous!
Correct me if I’m wrong but this group just seems like the medieval Christendom version of the Saptarishi or Seven Sages concept from the ancient world. Or at least in the same milieu.
Seven Sages, Nine Immortals (China), Ahsoka's Nine Unknown Men (India), etc.
¡Viva Cristo Rey!
I don't know why Pope Benedict would've said that the West never fully accepted the 7th ecumenical council; to my knowledge Pope Hadrian I. immediately reprimanded Charlemagne (who by the way got delivered a faulty translation of the canons!!), and the Greek Catholic Churches celebrate the defeat of iconoclasm as the Triumph of Orthodoxy. Also st. John Damascene is a Doctor of the Church in the Catholic Church.
Enjoyed this podcast a lot. I have been thinking on Revelation 5, and its strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book and look thereon? No one being found worthy, of course, in the established religious, political, and economic institutions, of themselves, but the certain totemic bases of the Lord as Lion of Tribe of Juda, Root of David, and Lamb slain as it stood, as these - in my view - orient the religious and political institutions or figures of priest and king in recorded history - (hence, the ten thousand times ten thousand, as relating to the Paleo-Oriental and Neolithic rise of agriculture and urban life creating the most Ancient Civilizations of the Middle and Near East, within the millenarianism of the prophetic vision implicit to the thousands of thousands) - upon the certain seeing or visionary, and thereby already epical and ethnographic as well as overall prophetic bases, establishing the religious and political institutions or figures otherwise of shaman and chief in the hunting and gathering societies of prehistory.
This becomes - in chapter 10, and such millenarian features of vision, establishing a certain world regional ascent like those previously of the kingdoms of Western Europe - the open book held, and the figurative stand on the waters of such New World migrations and colonization like our own, or Rome before, whereby the angel - in anticipation of the democratic revolutions, or nationalistic lions to popularly come - seals up the thunders - like Gottfried, it seems to me - at such millenarian feudal heights; and so that he then held up his hand to heaven as it were - as such newly universal heights to come once again, like Rome before - in his refusal to be crowned King of Jerusalem - since Christ had a crown of shame, and was to wear the crown, himself, when he came once again.
Those worthies, therefore - (and like John’s water of such New World migrations implied by Asia Minor and the Greeks with Hector, and by Alexander in concerns of the Greeks and the Romans, and then by Julius Caesar in relation to Western Europe; and the then differing levels of nationalism implied by Joshua, King David, and Judas of Maccabees in concerns of the blood ethnographically; and finally, of the Christian Spirit, in such then Western European focuses in the newly historic advance to come with our own New World now, in concerns of Arthur and Kennedy’s Camelot Years as a Roman Catholic crowning of the previous three and a half centuries of Protestant advance, while our Lady Liberty is the Lady of the Lake, bringing forth Excalibur as the two edged sword drawn by Christ out of white stones if you will like Plymouth Rock, having the new name of Jesus Christ doctrinally written upon it in judgment; and Charlemagne, in turn, who then began the literate cultivation once more of Western Europe, becoming a later regicide with the French Revolution and atheism, whereby The King is Dead!, though he is born anew by the Lord, in such New Worlds and newly universal heights, in relation to the Kingdoms to come therein, hence, Long Live the King!, when that Civilization, as with Rome before, collapses into a Dark Age in judgment) - lead to Gottfried, as said, as the figure of Revelation 10, at once looking back to the Lord in his previous shaming, and forward to such a truly Divine Kingdom to come through him, at his next appearing, at such, as said, eventually once again universal heights.
When they were talking about Godfrey of Bouillon, it reminded me of a great movie called "Kingdom of Heaven". I looked it up and the credits list the character as Godfrey de Ibelin (played by Liam Neeson). Can anyone confirm if the movie character is based on Godfrey of Bouillon? The movie is amazing and impactful. Highly recommend.
Liam Neeson's character seems to serve just as a story element, very loosely based on historical sources and while you'd find historical information about the House of Ibelin, it would be hard to find anything particular about Godfrey of this house. If you read a bit more about Godfrey de Bouillon, it becames clear that these are different characters: Liam Neeson's character never becomes a ruler and dies in a small fight in a forest. The action of this movie takes place around years 1184-1187.
On the other hand, Godfrey de Bouillon was a known historical character, ruler of Kingdom of Jerusalem, died in 1100.
Hope this helps :)
Axios!
They assassinated Caesar but didn’t save the republic so I don’t blame caesar
Henry leworthy my ancestor fought and was captured by napoleon bonapart escaped 10 years later , 2 days ago I found out my other grandad s family fouracres is related to George Washington, I'm writing a book already I've done 4 but all this is more I must investigate I'm mojothepyrutt
I'm a worthie leworthy I'm Martin colin leworthy
Hector fanboy, huh? I'm more of a Thersites fan myself. ;)
Achilles killed Hector in revenge because Hector killed his lover, according to Homer.
Lord drew lol
I don't think you understand Charlemagnevery well.
Otherwise, this is super splendid! Mahalo!
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I'm a leworthy
37:18 His sexual mores weren't woke either. ;)