A New COMMUNAL FOREST HOMESTEAD in the Works - Ep. 227
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- Rhize Up Community Farm is a brand new concept spearheaded by Khuba International to provide folks access to a home and land. We've briefly discussed the concept of a Community Land Trust on this channel before, but we delve a bit more into what that is and how it works in relation to Rhize Up.
For more information, check out Khuba's website here: www.khubaintl.org/
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I was so intrigued by the conversation. Having been homeless for several years, my appreciation of a community caring concern is brazened into my soul. Thanks. For the quality video.
The banter between you two! My favorite FFL video of you highlighting another organization!
Glad you have enjoyed the back-and-forth
I'm thrilled to see you covering this!
Such genuine and engaging interview skills. ❤
Another good episode. I love the drive by this group of folks to start a community.
Thank you Ms. Summer.🌲💚🙃
You are so welcome!🤗
Can't wait to visit!
It's so hope-giving and inspiring to know about enthusiasts like this. Thanks for sharing 🙏🏼 You both are so nice and charming and positive ❤ It really made my day ☀️
Glad that this can brighten your day. It's gray and dour here right now, so brightening ones day on gray days is always a plus!
Tears are necessary when we are rebirthing ourselves.
This place is beautiful!❤😊
So cool to see another community like this in the Finger Lakes/Ithaca area. Will be interesting to see how it all works out with what I am assuming will be heavy deer pressure, something you are also dealing with. Will be nice to see the land being thoughtfully lived in. Would mention that when we lived in Hawaii in the mid-70's, most homes/condos were built on land that was leased for 99 years or whatever because all the land was owned by a few families who allowed people to build and live on the land, but not actually own the land. It was the craziest thing we ever heard of, but that was the norm.
49- and 99-year leases are common here too as well in most places in the world. For example, in many countries in Africa, the government owns the land and the only thing you can do is lease from the government, typically in 99-year lease intervals. It's actually a viable option to 1.) not have to cut up the land indiscriminately and parcel it up, 2.) it gives more stability and security for both groups involved through the length of their life, and 3.) it provides a financial structure that say-a bank-would understand if you were to need to take out a mortgage or loan to build. If there is a pre-existing building on the land for someone to move into a long-term lease, then I think that would be a big positive now because building prices are quite high and even finding someone to build a home is few and far between. But in the past, when building prices were not as expensive, it could still be a good option. In this model they are proposing, which has its roots in the civil rights movement here in the states, the non-profit would own the land outright and usually there are rules to keep prices low if a tenant needs/wants to move out and then the next person moving in would keep prices low, usually well below market rate. All interesting models to consider in this day and age. And of course, lots of "hybrids" that one can build off of those.
Thank you for replying. That is very interesting. We in many parts of the US are so deeply wedded to the idea of owning land, instead of thinking of ourselves as stewards of the land regardless of who "owns" it. There are so many options that many of us don't really know about. Will be interested in seeing how things evolve in this new community.
What a delightful woman!
thank you, this is what we need. study up on the forest people, though.
Thanks for this. It really gave me alot of ideas with what i wanna do
It’s good to know that there still group exist that concern about earth, and future survival of ecosystem,ecological systems, atleast balance still exists s
It's funny how parallel experiences popup in the most random places!
My experience with community building is 2/3 startup, 1/3 intentional community although an intentional community really is a startup where people engage with perhaps more parts of their selves towards a common goal. I saw you using the Permaculture of stacking functions and some of the tenets of Agile software development in your video. Here's my parallel experience...
The Agile methodology comes out of software development: striving to learn and create the most the fastest and not to make decisions that cannot be easily adjusted when new things are learned or created. It tends to value individuals and interactions over processes and tools. It gets more challenging applied in the real world where most things cannot be instantly redone without consequence. Your vision for Flock is an intentional community, so you're learning by talking with others with a bit of vicarious experience rather than starting with 100 people day 1. Kind of fun that you're bringing in the Permaculture principle of stacking functions as well: learning about intentional communities for Flock, creating a video to support Flock, having fun, educating, building community locally and virtually.
I found that stacking functions and making small, reversible steps helped in creating startups/intentional communities. Christa talked about struggling to find shared values/goals. When thinking about bringing in new people, I have offered to help them for a day with whatever they need in their life in exchange for them helping in the startup/intentional community. You really get to know a lot more in 2 days of working together than in any formal interview. You did the same but better by starting Flock with friends you've known for a long time.
Really, I don't know if there is any other way of judging deep compatibility except by long periods together under stress. The long periods and stress part is likely why the majority of intentional communities fail. In working with urban food growing I found that a group in Detroit actively shunned food growing because of how they identified with American history. This group also desperately needed fresh food and agency. It wasn't something I think I'd ever have found out from passing interactions or by what seemed like a logical good fit.
This time trading approach might help with Christa's struggle with the "If you build it they will come, but you need them to come to help build it." bind. It's an Agile approach with a permaculture twist.
It was also nice to see your love of design yet again...designing communities, homes, landscapes, planting bed layouts, software are all so fun. I sometimes feel a bit of a let down when the real thing gets built from those designs. The castles in our minds...
Such a great idea...so your gonna develop flocks the same way?
I just think it would be a amazing place ..but I still love greenspace.. and solitude..lol
We have set up a different model and aren’t set up as a CLT, as shared in the beginning of the video, but the purpose of highlighting all these different community-based models is to show folks that there are myriad ways to do it and to find out develop the models that are right for you
This looks amazing. You are both wonderful. I'm just wondering why put 4 homes near the road, and leave 13 1/2 acres unhoused? Couldn't more homes go in other areas?
Do not be surprised if you get requests to build multiple 4X housing sets.
Where will the fruit tree orchard B? Ann, Florida fan
Not sure where they are planning it in relation to the buildings, but I'd imagine it'll be throughout the forest.
She lost me at creating a community in response to people ''not being able to socially distance.''
I hope this will be vegan. Bees do not need to be kept- let them be free.
There are definitely communities that uphold a vegan lifestyle out there. I don't know if that is one of their tenets, but it's important that the people within this community make those guideposts for themselves and that it's something that doesn't become too inhibitory to next generations, like their kids, for example. I always find that the less restrictions you have on folks and more flexibility-making it more like life "outside" the community, so folks of all different persuasions living and harmonizing with one another-the easiest it is to maintain and not to create too much rigidity or even a "bubble," so to speak. Since you brought it up, however, let's go through some real life scenarios for folks-including yourself-to mull over. (These are real life scenarios). One of my friends was vegan. She is a traveling photographer and most unfortunately developed a stomach parasite in India from dirty water where it gave her allergies to all sorts of random foods, including ones that sustain her. When I was in Mozambique with her much later, collecting mangoes, her face began to swell. It turns out she found out she was allergic to yet again more foods-mangoes and citrus. She was terribly anemic. Any little bump would bruise her and she was nearly listless because there was so much she couldn't eat. When she came back to the states, she started to add small amounts of fish and some meats to her diet and her energy bounced back and some of her allergies actually let up; she felt healthier and more life. Second real life scenario: I recently bumped into someone we filmed here on the channel. Hadn't seen him in a year. He was one of the followers of a macrobiotic diet. And rarely ate meat. He was in fairly good health when we filmed with him, but recently when I saw him, he had lost weight and looked good. I asked him what he did. He said he had some health issues, and went to a holistic nutritionist, whom suggested he eat more grass-fed or wild-caught meat in his diet, to which he did-more so than he ever was accustomed to-and he said the pounds shed and his vitals came back. Another real life scenario: This community in particular, has members of the Gayogohó:no' community, and to my knowledge, their traditional and cultural foods also include deer and turkey... So if these members and you were a part of this community, how would you come to terms with that or work with that? If someone came into the community a vegan, but couldn't healthfully maintain it, then would you decide to kick them out? Or their child was not able to maintain it-would you kick the child out? Some other solutions would be as follows: Perhaps in community meals or gatherings, folks can agree to cooking vegan communally, and if others want to do beyond that in their own homes, that would be OK too. I bring these challenging topics up, because this is the type of deeper thinking and real life scenarios folks need to think about when coming together to build something that goes beyond themselves. Hope this provides a critical thinking block for folks!
Vegan is not for everyone. I was Vegan for 4 years and I realized it was not for me. I started having all kinds of health issues.
There are humane ways to keep bees for honey.
Great scenarios, SRO
@@FlockFingerLakes that's a really comprehensive reply- thank you!
I see being vegan as about the animals. Poor things- I just want to not hurt them.