What is Actually the Best Role? (with SYC)
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Second Yellow Card has played Football Manager for a very long time, he’s a nice guy, and has won a Streamer Showdown. I figured it was more than time to bring him on for a video and after my recent video about roles I knew we had to actually rank the best roles in Football Manager. I did this a few years ago but to say the match engine has changed would be a dramatic understatement.
I am mostly curious though. With all the roles to choose from, and more seemingly added every year, would SYC and myself actually have some favorite roles in common? Or does the tactic you play in FM really dictate what roles you actually prefer. I know we won’t be in sync enough to have the same five roles, but I would also be surprised if it didn’t overlap at all. I would be really surprised. We both study a lot about tactics in Football Manager and I think there are a few clear favorites.
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Paul Onuachu broke Shakhtar's club all time goal scoring record when I was managing the club in my fm22 save. Got about 125 goals or something as a TF before they patched corners. Got most goals in a season record and everything. HOWEVER - I bought a pacey as hell advanced forward who in his first season got 42 goals in the league (30 games). Pacey as hell AF > TF.
Yeah Kyle hudlin for Solihull moors is 6ft 7 and was an absolute beast until the patch, then just dropped of a cliff after, is was sad I felt like I had to take out to the back yard like old yellow..
I play a 5, 3, 2 WB on counter attack with both a tall TF and a pacey AF... back to back promotions through the lower leagues! Shout out to Nuha Marong at UCAM Murcia!
Ricky-Jade Jones getting me promoted with Peterborough even though he can’t finish lol
@@onetimebear5681 I play almost the same but I use 5311 with Target Man Support and Shadow Striker with all the freedom he wants.. It works good so far... Also Wing Backs are too OP IMO, they really mess opponents up
Avg pace + high str + 190cm+ = goals. He can have 1 finish and will still score on headers
Hey Zealand, I think you should do videos explaining each role, especially ones like raumdeuter, trequartista,
enganche, etc which many people (including myself) have little to no understanding of what they do. I know you are doing them every so often but it would be nice if we got them a little more frequently
I agree. We need that video.
The Raumdeuter role needs an overhaul tho. It's relegated to wing players whereas the originator of it has played central for half of his later career.
Also the fact that supposedly the Raumdeuter doesnt do any defensive work whereas Muller is known to do so constantly.
Yes
@@Dotsetc I suppose the shadow striker is the equalient to a central Raumdeuter but still would be good to be able to play them centrally
He did IIRC. I think he goes over them all in his last “ranking roles” video. FM20 or 21 I think.
5: TF, BWM
4: IF, CAR
3: WB, B2B
2: DLP
1: AF
My favourite role for the last couple of FMs is absolutely the Half Back. Their default starting position in the match engine is basically like having a 3rd BPD in 4atb formations making you harder to break down, and due to how deep they are, it makes it easier to play out of the back.
The CM on attack is absolutely broken... This role creates and score goals even on defenders. I have put defenders and forwards in the CM attack role just to see how broken it is. CB and ST on CM attack play like prime Iniesta
will it work in 2 man midfield? got a dlp and bbm duo
@@cartiworld99 surprisingly the role works very well with 2 man midfield as well. I had CM attack and DLP.
I much prefer CM - Attack to a B2B midfielder. B2B just never seems to actually get into the box and score goals.
@@nevilleneville6518 I think it depends on the player, My Stavros Tsoukalas scores goals on B2B but even more on CM on Attack
@@nevilleneville6518 let me try it and let’s see
The most underrated role on FM is the CM especially on support but the CM on attack and CM on defend are honourable mentions
Yes, I used it with rovella in Juve saves, it work wonderful he gets many assists
Love the chemistry between you and second yellow card. Hope you 2 do a video on analytics in the future as he is great with those as well.
1. Sweeper keeper (su)
2. CM- suppeeerrr flexible
3. FB (at) menaces when paired with an IF
4. CF- rare but when you find players that can handle that extra responsibility it’s a joy
5. Mezzala love the late runs
Love to see this collab, 2 of my favourite FM creators
Def on board for this collaboration. Two of my favourite FM creators
Love the content, keep it up Z! Second Yellow Card is a legend too!
I remember one year of FM where you absolutely had to have a TM up front and a fast guy next to him - it was the era of Peter Crouch and Michael Owen - fm was broken that year and that combination was absurdly powerful
Just want to say that SYC is my favorite FM creator by far. Insightful, humble, genuine, fun and honest. You should check out his current save in which there's FM (Journeyman save) and a suspense laden story attached to it! It's very original and unique. I'm sure most of you would really enjoy it! Thanks for doing a vid with Matt, he's "the worlds okayest streamer", but he's absolutely tops in my book!
Where The Algorithm Ultras at!
CM support is my favourite because it lets you control every instruction, letting you pick specifically what each individual player is good at, and avoid what each player is bad at.
Completely agree on Target Forwards. Never liked them, until I got to manage Salford in England's 4th tier and realized I have TWO 6'7" strikers in my team.
One of them was 18 year old Marcus Dackers with ZERO technical stats above 9. Not much potential to speak of. He was a never higher than a two-star in my very poor Salford team and still single-handedly carried me through the lower leagues to EFL championship in two seasons. Apparently when you have twice as many shots as the next best guy in the league, you're bound to score some of them.
The strategy worked all the way to the Premier League. 3 consecutive promotions done just by crossing the ball high.
For me this year fm - wide midfielders, inverted wings backs, CM on attack and roaming playmaker or regista. This works really well for me.
I ABSOLUTELY love the CM on attack. If your playing with a F9 then your CM on attack can drift into the space and get behind the defence and then if he has min 12-14 finishing he will get goals goals goals. The player I have for this role is Daniel Van Kaam from Groningen.
funny enough, I use to only use wing backs or complete wing backs until FM 22, where now I use one wing back and one full back on supports, and I've fallen in love with the full back on support. It's been so good defensively, I'm not sure if it's just the players I have or the role but I never have to worry about the flank with my full back whislt also getting a cheeky cross in or two in a game.
Love seeing SYC on the channel!
Regista, complete attacker on support and Segundo Volante.
Specific roles you can't just accomodate to any player but highly effective.
If I have to choose, my favorite role is Attacking Libero. I've been having quite some success running a 3-4-3 with 2 Carrirelo and an Attacking Libero, I find having the team run in Cautious or Balanced basically turns the Libero into a Support DLP.
I agree with AF cuz Anthony Martial in my arsenal fm22 save is absolutely lighting things up with 20+ goal contributions In just 21 games played.Probably my most favourite player since fm20 and is pretty cheap this year as well.
This vid was great, I'd love to see you go further and expand on roles that go well together. What's your favourite double pivot, and why is it BWM BBM?
Fantastic video. Thank you guys
Hell of a collab here, loved the video!
Awesome video! BWMs are definitely more than just brutes in FM22. I've used Veretout in Roma as a BWM and he scores tons of goals and has a lot of assists. If you can get a player with just the right player traits he will be massive in the BWM role.
Should have used him as a Mercedes instead of a BMW
BMW needs to be on support with "get forward" trait
@@sac5613 😅
@@tgd5884 I’m not even sorry 😂
BWM with good passing and Tries Killer Balls Often? yes please
I agree that Advanced Forwards is getting improve in this version of FM22 as he scores lots of goals, also don't sleep on TF (Target Forward) because that guy with that position might come in handy.
I miss the Mezzela, but yeah i like all the ones u guys said. Only thing i like to play Target Foward as Pressing foward alot
I once had a regen that had a similar build to onowachu but also had world class stats. The guy was nuts.
For me personally the 2 best roles this year is CM on attack and Mezzala on attack, both tend to score about 20 goals a season for me in my current save.
Their runs are incredible at creating overload in attack.
i don't like the tactic myself, but can definitely attest to a good Target Forward! i recall a really old iteration of FM on the PSP handheld...was in charge of Sydney FC and got a youth academy player who was over 6' tall and had 20(!!) in both heading and jumping...every game almost every cross resulted in a goal from this striker
I can see that people are sleeping on the Segundo Volante role, and I guess that's because almost no one is using a 2-DM or a 3-DM tactic.
Those late runs are like instant goals if you would your tactic around them
Such a great role, feels like just a deeper box-to-box midfielder, works great with an attacking wingback on their side.
Z actually did for a season or so on his current save and had great success with that role
@@jonssonftw shame that didn't last long then
I experimented with a 3-DM tactic with 2 Volante’s, worked great and love the role. That and the Carrilero are 2 of my favourite roles
CM on attack can be great in a 433, the only reason im not using it now is just ive moved to a 532. Also love a DM on Defend when they're basically a CB who just owns the space in front of your defence. Also big Fan of Second yellow card, if you havent watched his stuff id highly recommend the journeyman stuff.
I highly recommend giving the Half Back role a go in 4atb formations like the diamond or the 433. The starting position of a HB in the match engine is essentially like having CB's, theyre really good if you play out from defense too.
I kind of agree with the Advanced Forward... but I go with Pressing Forward on attack that works very similarly without fail.
First time i played FM was FM 21. Also started from a bottom League cause i figured it's easier to manage smaller club when you don't know anything. Had a tall guy there, 197 and saw he was called target man. Guessed correctly I should target him straight to promotion.
I seem to be the only person that absolutely loves a rw on attack, if you manage to find a dude with some height or is good in the air, usually a physical st with some pace (oshimen, toko ekambi) they score so many goals
I hope you can make a tier list like you made last year, maybe even a short one showing the changes from your experience + ME
1. DLP
2 Inside Forward on the left totally agree with SYC
3 Anchorman
4 AF although ive been playing Pressing forward mostly on FM22 and it definitley used to be Poacher v
5 Mezzala ( I like to play lop sided so normally the left hand side is weight to attack while the right is more defensive so i find the left hand advanced player in a 3 man midfield with Mez on att or support wwirth fantasitcally to over load on one side of the pitch)
I love the anchor DM looking for a regista I've never used that role before
I had the top two nailed. A must have at almost every level!
Maybe make a video with your favorite player(s) (ever) per role? Like what you said with Pirlo being the typical DLP. Would be fun (and make it easier to remember for me ;)
I played a 433 with 2 mezzalas and found that i was really riskjng the defense. I switched one to carrilero and found that my tactic leveled up a notch. this was because even though it is less attacking, there was more defensive responsibility and my carrilero does sit on the outside like mezzala. just not as many runs
Tbf I used Oli Giroud as a TF on support in my save on the Swiss League for half a season before he retired, and he was incredible. Around 15 goals and 9 assists in half a season
For me since I’ve been playing since FM20 my list is
1. AF
2. SS
3. CM (attack)
4. WB (attack as a fullback)
5. DLP (as a center midfielder)
After playing a lot of lower league 4-4-2, the Poacher has to be one of my top roles. The striker combination defines the whole team in that system. Having that one striker that will always (about 90% of the time) stay central and you can rely on him to score whenever he's free, paired with another that is constantly moving away from goal to find space, and can also carry the ball, is pretty solid. Lukaku and Dybala have been like that this season. These "solo" goals and crazy dribbles in the box Dybala gets to do happen because the CBs are afraid to stop double marking Lukaku. One can move, because the other one isn't. Keep the central defenders central and give the fullback a reason to reconsider getting narrow, and that second striker has a whole lot of good time in the halfspace area.
TF on support is actually GOATed if you have a decent AF or poacher alongside them. Tomas Necid for my Bohemians 1905 side was brilliant.
Or a SS behind him
As mentioned Paul onuachu plays for KRC Genk the team I support and he’s an absolute beast. He’s so tall that he controls every long ball with his chest and almost never heads it and in addition to that he’s an incredible finisher and he’s also surprisingly good on the ball with solid dribbling and very good passing.
Still can’t believe he there was no major interest from pl teams before this season after scoring 33 league goals last season although genk were not willing to sell for less than 30 mil
My list:
1) MEZ
2) DLP
3) IF
4) BPD
5) WB
replace af with wb and thats my list
I legit have all of these save MEZ on my current team lol, prefer RPM as I am an idiot!
David Malone mez at is definitely better
Great video get SYC on more!
The best role for me is offensive midfielder on attack because he assists on goals AND runs into the box so many times and scores so many goals, sometimes even more goals than my strikers. But my favorite playstyle is BBM because I love how they support the offense and defense.
1 of my favourite is the defensive midfielder. Their training includes increasing the composure attitude. I like a player who can break up play but think players like that with bad passing/decisions/composure are a liability. Have become more of a fan of advanced playmakers while attacking midfielders i can't seem to make work
Deep lying forward. Look at Harry Kane against Guardiola: link the midfields, passer, goalscorer. DLF is the man that stand in the zone 14. If he were marked he passes the ball, if he were let alone he Will punish you with longshoots.
Harry Kane in FM manager terms is actually a CF. The DLF is basically bulky CAM.
@@yellowscarlightningscream8347 yeah, the FM "media description" while in the real world he lacks speed to even consider as "complete"
@@jonpaul3868 yep, i agree with you. FM roles needs to be updated. Also there are no more AF in real world. All top strikers are either CF, DLF or Poacher.
That's what you want your DLF to be, but not what a DLF does in FM. At least not for me. More of a CF imo.
@@mrcx6142 its still do what I previously describe. DLF is essentially a reverse SS. DLF stays with the Defenders, upfront. then drop down when the team got the ball. If he were tracked by the central def, it will make a space for teammate. Just watch matches with good DLF in FM. SS is the other way around: drop down when dispossed, and charge in upfront while in posession. While CAM is just like its description: midfielder, it means he stand in the mid 1/3 when dispossed, and go to the line between CB and CM on possesion.
Hi, is it better to have wingers & forwards on low positioning in attributes?. Thanks
im back playing fm 22 before fm25 (the new match engine makes me wanna play again, i havent plated 23 or 24) ive always wondered is it better to have player use a personal positional role or a team positional role ?!?
4:00 I actually had a fast target man in FM17 ( playing as the central striker in a 4-3-3 narrow), it worked very very well, he was fast enough that he could hold up play and then still get in behind and because the two opposing centre backs were so wide stretched by my other 2 forwards I think he ended up getting a ton of assists, goals and just generally good games.
No one uses them it seems but always liked the deep lying forward on attack. Then have minimum 1 IF-A or striker beside them and control possession
16:20
Them : AF
*Sad mezalla noises*
I'm here to defend the AP-Su. I never thought it was good in FM21, but in FM22 I have found great success with it.
I don't usually like a 4-2-3-1, but in a save I started in lower league Spain, I used a 4-4-2 to start with, but once my team got to La Liga level, I found my best potential players were mostly AMLs and AMRs and my STs lacked good finishing. I had a few good MF that could play a BWM and a BBM role and hold down the defense with just 2 CMs. Mybest prospect that came through my Youth Development was an AMC only with great passing and vision as well as long shots so I switched to a 4-2-3-1 and his worst season was 26 assists. He also gets me like 11-12 goals with his long shots and has been able to propel my team into Champions League and La Liga contention. He has brought the most out of my other attacking players and because of that my IF(left) just won Player of the Year in La Liga with my AMC 3rd. I was able to end Barcas 7 straight titles and there 70+ game unbeaten streak they had at home
I use all of these roles the two of you suggested
My 5.
1. PF on attack.
2. CB on defend.
3. BWM on support.
4. Shadow Striker on attack.
5. AF on attack.
My current Palermo save is on 90+ games unbeaten in the league and have used 2 formations and the PF, CB on defend are the only 2 fixed in both.
Hey Zealand, are you planning on retesting dynamic youth ratings since the patch?
love to see a reverse of this video doing the worst roles
was that actually a cheeky total war reference? was thinking 'who uses gravitas in that context' and then you said 'gotta go spend it' hahaha
my top 5
1. MEZ
2. AF
3. WB
4. PF
5. HB
I use FM in a different language what do these mean?
Half Back is slept on. Its not a flashy role but it's one of the most noticeable roles in FM.
@@rens7522 Mezzala, Advanced Forward, Wing Back, Pressing Forward, Half Back
@@SneakySneasel Thank you 🙌🏼
@@-_-DatDude Yeah, it's something I've really come to like in my 4-4-2 narrow diamond formation. With aggressive wingbacks I like to have a half back stay deep and help the center backs, as well as play out of defense to pass to the wingbacks who make deep runs or down the middle to a mezzala or advanced playmaker, then to the strikers. Very high passing % and solid defensive work means I'm getting consistent 7.0-7.2+ ratings
Frank Kessie has close to 30 goals for me when I was playing AC Milan. That was the good news. The bad news was the profile photo the pack I was using was terrifying, the eyes would follow you everywhere you moved. Everywhere...
15:14 Ah, so that's what I was on PES 2011 when my created forward was in New Zealand as a player, when they put him back as a center midfield, where I can shoot from ridiculous distance, and loft passes from that threat of him going rougue.
Yet: It has very low running distance with the ball. Defensively, however, he is the only one to presses and tackles a lot, see ball, steals ball regardless. One he gets the ball back, he'll just do a short pass to return to the center circle, and the cycle continues.
loved this!
This is a great ‘dynamic’
This second yellow card guy seems to know what he's on about
I love Poacher on this years game. Just someone who's gonna play off the last defender and stick the ball in the net.
Vanderson is a complete wing back and has everything he’s so good
Jesus, playing the game since 2014. Hes a baby in the game. Im playing since 2007, and never missed a year. But I dont have time to stream it
Z and SYC have such great chemistry
I had a Carrilero and he was my best player scored 14 goals a season from midfield
FM23 here... Jude Bellingham as a box-to-box midfielder is a cheat code.
I've now realised how incredibly boring my tactic is lmao. I'm using pretty much every single one of these roles: wingbacks on both sides - dlp(d), bbm, car midfield, if on both sides, af on top. I do like a Mezzala sometimes as well, but they seem to be less effective on this game?
Riechedly Bazoer as a BBM.
He's nuts there. Get him.
You got that talk show laugh down.
So I went an entire season without getting beaten in my FM20 save. Not just in the league but in all competitions with Roma.. Winning the league (37 games won, 1 draw) and brushing aside most of the teams in the UCL. Ended the season with a total of 72 games and no defeat in all competitions( previous run was 63 games without defeat in the serie A).
1. AF
2. BWM
3. WB
4. CAR
5. AP attack (mc)
4:17Without even thinking, It's "Chris Wood-type" all over again. Sure, Elliott Collier is slightly taller, but NZ's default MO is to go aerial. Even Winston Reid is an aerial threat as a defender (despite never being able to stay healthy).
honestly deep lying playmaker is the best role in the game since fm12. not because its overpower and breaks the match engine but because everyone always uses it. in whatever tactic we all seem to have a dlp. and I think its because the role is incredibly versatile and easy to cover for. you can fix their cons in multiple ways whether its by having a hardworker next to them or having them just sit in defend instructions. It's also a role that allows for multiple type of players to play their. AND you can use aging players and have them perform well. you can have tall slow guys who can pass or short quick guys who can pass. IT"S just such a well made and well understood role by most of us I cant remember the last time I made a tactic without a deep lying playmaker. AND i dont think theres a squad in FM without someone who can play that role, you always have a good dlp or you can always sign a good dlp. I remember stretching wayne rooneys career at everton by playing him there till he was 36-37 brilliant role absolutely amazing
For me it’s a goal keeper with high communication
03:28 - "We're not here for dieting advice, we're here for ROLLS!" ;)
5: Centre Back - Stopper 4: AML Inside Forward 3: Advanced Forward 2: Ball Winning M idfielder (CM -Defend 1: False 9
@@jwatsss453 I’ve never had much success with a BPD, they just give the ball away a lot. I do a lot of lower league saves so I probably don’t have the players for it.
99dndd I’m so dumb man cd is defo better in lower league haha I tried playing bpd with Barnet and flopped
@@jwatsss453 It’s not dumb at all, there’s different roles for different saves!
Lewis Ferguson always has a top game against big clubs as box to box.
I used to play Top Eleven back in 2014, lol.
BWM, B2B and DLP, that's my holy trinity in midfield 🔥 BWM win all the ball, pass it short to DLP, spray it to attackers with B2B overload the box alongside them
7:47 I put Bruno Guimares as BWM, but on support, and he still getting carded like almost every game.
1. Shadow striker
2. Wide centrehalf
3. B2b
4. Complete wingback
5. pressing forward
Honourable mentions
1. Ball playing centrehalf
2. Sweeper keeper
How does one "play off" a target forward, I have a 6ft 5 striker paired with a 5'11 both on AF At as I can never seem to get TF to work
With a TF I find a poacher or pressing forward works well as a 2 up front.
TF on support.
Also a direct style of play rather than short passing.
try putting your wide players crossing instructions and goalkeeper distribution to aim for the target man so they get fighting for the ball more, although if they're up against a physically superior player then it won't work often.
also just what I've noticed but high height combined with low heading ability can be a real problem because they'll win a lot of headers but will often just send them straight to the opposition because they can't control where it goes, giving away possession.
Reading the comments and realizing that wide playmakers on attack are so underrated
I've been using a tactic with defensive wingers, which is a problem, because there aren't any. Seriously, they are so hard to find!
Moukoko on AF.....40+ goals every season so far
Anyone else using a midfield 3 of a BWM a carillero and a Mezzala... better to play with a DM or a "flat" 3?
You know, I can feel the Target-Man. I absolutely despise DLFs, they never quite work as I want them to work, and they always seem to score very few even on attack. And while a TM(S) is a different role, it hits that sweet spot between creating and scoring a bit better for me IF used with a technically gifted player.
I won the World Cup with Portugal playing DLF.I used two inside Forwards. 4,2,3,1
@@masterwesty That's nice for you, doesn't change any of what I said.
TF - Kyle Hudlin
SI finally removed the Get Further Forward instruction from Advanced Forwards
I’ve noticed that pressing forward on attack has been very good this year. I have one in my team and it’s very similar to attacking forwards, but it drops a little bit deeper, and when it’s sitting on the opposition’s defence it’s not right on top of the line so if they mistime the run they have the extra little bit of wriggle room.